It looks me way too long (3 hours) to install the vise, but now I can finally use it. Here some photos from the process. The vise is a cheap-o Irvin vise from Amazon. Is it perfect? No. Will it do for now? Yes.
I grabbed a 30 ish dollar one from Amazon . Just make sure you have weights to hold it down or to properly mount it on a bench/ table. Needs to be fixed properly so you can torque. 35-60 ftlbs for barrel nut, 40 for castle nut. 35ish for muzzle device + some rockset (rockset especially if you are using a qd muzzle device for a potential suppressor)
Here's the exact one I ordered vice
It's this one for $35 on Amazon. I have it screwed down onto an Ikea table in my office and I've used it to help with lower and upper builds with a plastic clam shell and mag-block and haven't had any trouble with it. For the price, it's great if you're just building or working on a few rifles each year.
I just did this the other day. After many methods of trying like you did, I read that getting it in a table vice was the best method of taking it apart, so I went ahead and bought this one off of Amazon. It ended up doing the trick quite nicely. That sealant/adhesive is some tough shiz.
I got it with this gauge as well as it's cheaper than the one you posted.
I still haven't done the OPV mod as the gauge is still on the way in, and I ended up needing to replace my boiler thermostat as it got damaged recently.
Best of luck to you! It will/does eventually come off. Depending on your strength, you might want to get assistance from a strong friend as it was still difficult even with the vice.
Honestly, this is what I did: I found someone giving away a bathroom sink. I gratefully accepted the bathroom sink and threw the counter top away. Then, I went and got half a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood at home depot for about $15. I put it on top of the cabinet and screwed it down. Then, I had a $15 workbench. I got a cheap Yost LV-4 for $25 with Prime shipping from Amazon and had everything set up for $40
Not sure if you saw the post from yesterday but there's a pretty good Yost 9" vise on amazon for $60 right now:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SIQ1DDG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Thanks! I went with the Yost M9WW. All in all, I've been really pleased with it. I think it's normally about $100 but I managed to get it onsale on Amazon for $70. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SIQ1DDG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I'm pretty sure I got it on Amazon. I'll probably buy a better one here in the near future, but this very similar to what I have:
A cheap mini vise, (something like this) could be useful!
Yes, but they're pretty cheap. You can get a small set of drill bits for less than $20. I also recommend a hand held pin vise to hold the bits, like this one for example: https://www.amazon.com/General-Tools-93-Adjustable-Vise/dp/B000COYPG4/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=F75OTZALCXRZ&keywords=general+tools+pin+vise&qid=1658846248&sprefix=general+tools+pin+vise%2Caps%2C188&sr=8-2
Super easy to take off and put on with a vise when compared with a PMM comp that need red loctite. That shit difficult to deal with. You don’t necessarily need a vise but it makes the installation and removal seamless as well as decrease the chance of you marring up the slide, barrel or comp
YOST VISES LV-4 Home Vise 4-1/2"... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YS401X0?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
JCL Vise Jaws - Nylon,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018QNM7V2?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
These sorts of parts are likely much better created using a subtractive process rather than additive. Flat parts with holes are a great candidate for laser cutting or CNC routing. Or, given the simple geometry, you could print the parts at 1:1 scale, and use a spray adhesive to attach the printouts to plywood or planks, and then use a jigsaw or hand saw to cut it out, and a cordless drill or even a hand crank drill to do the holes. From there a hand file, or just some sandpaper taped to a block, can let you round off the corners.
I make and sell my own mounts, but by the sounds of it you're not in the US, so shipping alone could exceed your $60 quote. I know JPEIN sells his mounts on amazon, so if that's available with free shipping to you, you can likely get a better deal.
Failing that, another tried and true budget mount method is to buy some table vices, and bolt some 90 degree brackets on. Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Irwin-Tools-Drill-Press-226340/dp/B0001LQY4O
It really depends on what you are looking to do.
If you just need to hold small pieces attached to the table, a cheap vise is fine.
A lot of people make their own fixtures (like self-centering jigs, foe example) depending on what they have to drill, but a reasonably versatile setup is something like this table+fence . You can buy it, or make your own.
Those clamp down vises aren't that sturdy. I don't think you're any better off using a clamp down vise rather than just clamping the wood down to the railing.
You might also consider getting one ofthese drill press style vises. They have slots in the side that fit a 1/2" carriage bolt. You could get some long (6" or so) carraige bolts, and put a clamping board on the underside of the railing, and have the carraige bolts bolt to the clamping board and hold the vise onto the railing (hopefully that makes sense).
Oh, I meant a vise for holding whatever object is being drilled / polished / etc.
I'm not so concerned about the workstation moving as the stones and components that are being drilled into.
I ended up getting this, because it seems to be small enough. I guess I'll know in a couple of days.
I got mine from German amazon but this looks like the same thing to me: Z-COLOR Mini Flat Clamp Table Jaw Bench Clamp Mini Drill Press Vice Opening Parallel Table Vise DIY Sculpture Craft Carving Tool https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0721SJ54L/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_navT_a_S411ZEWQE1PN98GFRVZ6
Depends the size of what you want to hold. For about $20 you can get this drill press vise on Amazon.
I'll also add that you don't need a vise to hold your locks generally, but it's nice-to-have when you move away from padlocks.
There are vise recommendations in the wiki as well, but this is a nice cheap one that I and many others have that does the trick:
https://www.amazon.com/Yost-V-275-Portable-Multi-Angle-Pivoting/dp/B00MX140FU
Get him a small quality vise. Yost makes some decent small ones. And some excellent large use ones. Get some rubber/silicon jaw covers for it and away he goes.
I have this one and it's been good to me. I have it mounted to a 2x8 so it's mobile and what not.
I also have it's larger brother mounted in my shop.
I have this yost (Yost M9WW Rapid Acting Wood Working Vise, 9", Blue https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SIQ1DDG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_e28sFb99RQ11A) and it is fantastic. $99 for 9” vise, then screw an inch piece on each side of the vice on the bench side and attach 11” boards to the vice itself.
I have these two, and they both do the job. Small, rubber grips, and inexpensive. One clamps to the side of a table and the other has a suction base, but I don’t use the suction.
Yost Tools Yost V-275 Portable Vacuum Base Vise, Pivots Multi-Angle, 2.75" Jaw Width, (1 Pack), Silver https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MX140FU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_MsIBZblkb9Q64
Fasmov Swivel 3" Universal Table Vise Tilts Rotate 360° Universal Work https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077XXQG41/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_zW4U3DSFV8DEV
It is the Yost 9” Woodworking Vise: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SIQ1DDG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_mFxkFbAY1RV6W
Paul uses eclipse I believe. This one was cheaper but I’ve been very impressed with it, and it is by far the most useful part of having the bench, I do probably 90% of everything in it. It’s slightly different from the eclipse I think, basically different size screws and bolts are needed, but everything else during installation was the same as how Paul Sellers installed his. It has two pieces of wood (I think I used poplar) attached to the insides to protect what you’re working on, and the piece closer to you has leather as well.
I bought this one for $25 bucks. Simple, smallish, and even has a fairly ergonomic hand rest. I felt kinda shitty ordering from Amazon, but my options were a little limited at the moment.
Could you elaborate on why? No one has said why. It would be mounted on solid backfilled concrete. I also am not anywhere near a pro and I wont be using a craftsman vise, I would be using a Yost vise , cheapest on amazon 4.5 inch https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YS401X0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
I bought a 9" vice with a 10" opening so that I could drill less dogholes. I just didn't want to have to swiss cheese the top. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SIQ1DDG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The vice works great but I wouldn't recommend buying it now. Price rose a lot since I bought it for $91. Holdfasts are gramercy.
What particular projects are you trying to tackle? I have this one and it has been great for putting together ARs, holding stuff when filing or hacksawing, or installing prefit barrels.
I used the gen 1 version of that jig and I think the end mill had a much smaller diameter. I did it with a hand held router and only took off very thin layers. I'd imagine an end mill with a smaller diameter wouldn't jump around as much, but even with a larger one, just take off thinner layers. It's take longer, but the there's less chance of jumping and the whole process will be more smooth. It shouldn't be smokey. Even though it's just aluminum, I used some Viper's Venom Cutting Oil and it made the whole process even more smooth.
As for a "workbench" I took a cheap drill press vice like this and bolted it down onto a 3 foot by 3 foot square of wood that was maybe half an inch thick, and knelt down on it while I worked.
I bought this cheap Irwin vise for the small table I had been using before. I plan to swap it over to the new bench for now, but may upgrade if it isn't doing the job.
https://www.amazon.com/Irwin-226361-Woodworkers-Vise-Inch/dp/B0001LQY4E