I have no idea if it’s an efficient method or not but I use The Kodansha kanji learner’s course. I do 16 new kanji a day and I use the anki deck for the book to keep them in my memory. Whenever I flip a card, no matter the side, I write it down. Helps me remember better. I only try to remember the main On reading for each kanji and even then I don’t force it. If I can’t memorize it I don’t try that much harder. For the readings I just read a lot of texts and when I come across a word that uses a kanji I know I don’t know the reading of, that’s how I learn the readings. Eventually you become magically able to determine the reading for words even with kanji that have a lot of different pronunciations.
Edit: I just read the rest of what you said and misunderstood. There are podcasts, ask about them in the Latin sub.
Check out /r/Latin.
Also, buy this: Lingua Latina per se Illustrata
one reason is that you start connecting characters to each other by the kanji "parts" that they're made out of, and this helps with recognition and also memorization
for example, you may notice the temple 寺=てら part in a bunch of kanji, like 待つ、持つ、時、 etc. so just by understanding that those strokes together have a meaning and if you see them together, they're definitely together in that same pattern, you can easily remember the others.
however, even that one, 寺, is actually made of 土 and 寸, if you look closely. and if you look for it, you'll see those all over the place, too.
however, if you drew 寺 in some weird order where 土 and 寸 were mixed in with each other, then the fact that they're actually separate wouldn't come out, and you might not notice those patterns in other kanji.
noticing the patterns is especially important when kanji get mega complicated, like 厭 or 鬱. trying to remember every single stroke in those is a nightmare. but if you recognize the constituent parts, then they're easy to remember, because they're not "50 complicated strokes", but rather "4 smaller pictures in a large picture". that's much easier to remember.
stroke order makes this clearer, and practicing it reinforces this knowledge.
anyways, if you're interested in learning the kanji parts and what they mean, a good book is:
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata and Wheelock's Latin are the go to books for learning.
Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata is completely in Latin and makes you learn by reading.
Wheelock's is learning by studying grammar.
What I recommend is looking up "Learn Latin" on Youtube to study the basics of pronunciation and learning what you can from there. If you enjoy it, buy one of those books to dive deeper into the subject.
it takes time. it's one of the most rote aspects of learning japanese. i'd have two general comments:
those seem contradictory but they're not. by learning the radicals (the repetitive blobs of stuff that are reused in many kanji) you can get a sense for the meaning of it, and start recognizing common patterns. for example 時 and 待つ and 持つ and 侍 all have 寺 in them. (technically this is a bad example, as that's officially two radicals, 土 and 寸, but hopefully you'll see what i mean visually)
stroke order fits into this because as you learn the stroke order for a radical, they're generally the same across kanji, so you end up learning things that cross characters. also, writing them is a kinesthetic form of practice that engages different neurons. the more senses you use, the better.
however, to the first point, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways, just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular. then you'll be learning the pronunciations, but also getting vocab at the same time, and not wasting time "just memorizing readings".
one good book to help with radicals is:
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
I suggest starting with "radical", "make up", and "vile". Then maybe branch out a bit and try "nickname".
take your time and learn as you go, there's no need to force-feed oneself kanji. just learn the proper spelling for words as you go. it's important, so don't try to skip learning kanji, but you don't need to go overboard and try to memorize hundreds at once either.
if you find that remembering the shapes in the kanji is difficult, then paying attention to the radicals (the small chunks that make them up) can sometimes help. while they don't always add up to a full meaning of the kanji, they can sometimes make up a nice narrative that makes it easier to remember. for example, 人 means person, and 寺 means temple... if you look at 侍 you'll see both - the vertical line and diagonal on the left side of it is a squished 人... so if you think about it, "man by the temple"... the meaning: 侍=さむらい=samurai.
if that visual study method sounds interesting, i recommend https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
just some random thoughts
In general, don't focus on memorizing pronunciations, study words, the kanji will come along for the ride.
If you want to learn all the pronunciations of a kanji, find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it.
For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways (ひと、じん、にん) , just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
In general, don't focus on memorizing pronunciations, study words, the kanji (and their pronunciations) will come along for the ride.
If you want to learn all the pronunciations of a kanji, find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it.
For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways (ひと、じん、にん) , just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
When it reaches over a thousand dollars for second-hand copies:
https://www.amazon.ca/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268
you would think the publishers would wake up and print a few more.
If you're just starting out, I'd probably recommend the Genki series, or Tae Kim's excellent Guide to Japanese Grammar (free online).
The book OP has is very useful and you can learn a lot from it, but it's specifically made to help folks study for the Japanese Language Proficiency Test (JLPT). You lose a lot of the foundational stuff if you go straight for the JLPT materials, I'd argue.
Yes. Do you have the genki textbook? Or just the genki work book? One is about 200 pages, one is twice that. If you’ve only got a thin book, then you’ve only got the workbook, which doesn’t teach you anything. You need the textbook for learning. Genki is for beginners, so you don’t need any prior knowledge, it teaches it all to you. It sounds like you might only have the workbook.
Textbook: https://www.amazon.com.au/GENKI-Integrated-Course-Elementary-Japanese/dp/4789014401
Workbook: https://www.amazon.com.au/Genki-Integrated-Elementary-Japanese-Workbook/dp/478901441X
It's on a case by case basis. In general, don't focus on memorizing pronunciations, study words, the kanji will come along for the ride.
If you want to learn all the pronunciations of a kanji, find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it. For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways, just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
In general, don't focus on memorizing kanji, study words, the kanji will come along for the ride.
If you want to learn all the pronunciations of a kanji, find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it.
For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways, just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
That being said, if you did vocab words BASED on 3-4 kanji a day, that would be an excellent pace
In general, don't focus on memorizing pronunciations, study words, the kanji will come along for the ride.
If you want to learn all the pronunciations of a kanji, find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it.
For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways (ひと、じん、にん) , just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
is a good book on radicals, tho do be careful about over-focusing on memorizing kanji and/or radicals. they come along for the ride, but the critical item is vocabulary, not kanji.
for example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways (ひと、じん、にん) , just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
>these types are taking advantage of the fact that many white people in North America today don't have a culture
with shit like this I don't think I have to, you don't really comprehend what you're talking about
you might find a dictionary handy in your travels, you can have one for like $5
In general, don't focus on memorizing pronunciations, study words, the kanji will come along for the ride.
If you want to learn all the pronunciations of a kanji, find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it.
For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways (ひと、じん、にん) , just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, then that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
I can't tell you any more, I'm afraid - it was my best guess as someone who has taught Deaf students and also has a linguistics degree.
Something like Remembering the Hanzi takes an approach that doesn't focus too much on sound with more focus on meaning. I've only used the Japanese equivalent, though, so I don't know how similar it is.
Kanji aren't words. They're closer to Greek and Latin roots. Like "re" means "do again" but it's not a word. Or "Petra", in petroleum, petrified, petrichor. Not a word, but has a vague meaning and annoyingly not the same pronunciation/spelling in every word it's in. Same with kanji.
In general, don't focus on memorizing pronunciations; study words, the kanji will come along for the ride.
If you want to learn all the pronunciations of a kanji, find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it.
For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways (ひと、じん、にん) , just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
In general, don't focus on memorizing pronunciations, study words, the kanji will come along for the ride.
If you want to learn all the pronunciations of a kanji, find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it.
For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways (ひと、じん、にん) , just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
it's best to do it correctly, yes. hiragana is based on shorthand versions of kanji. getting the feel for the stroke order in hiragana and katakana will make stroke order easier for kanji.
stroke order in kanji, in turn, feeds into an understanding of the reusable bits of kanji that you find repeated all over the place, like 寺 in 持つ、待つ、時.
and those bits, called radicals, fit into both more easily recognizing similar kanji, and distinguishing very close kanji, and are related to one of a few patterns that's involved in some of the pronunciation of kanji
the latter of which you can get more from: https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/
Kanji lists in N5-N1 order, are pretty common. Not sure what point there would be in having a dictionary in that order specifically, since you use a dictionary to look things up asynchronously. It's rarer to find books with kanji listed in a different order, honestly, as this is a major standard.
i like this ordering, at least as a supplement to other learning, as it explains radicals and their meanings, and gives a framework for turning kanji into short stories each, which can make them easier to memorize:
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268
Absolutely the following book: This is Your Brain on Music
This highly readable and engaging book discusses the nature of music, including a bit of theory, how we process music neurobiologically, and how we perceive music mentally. It's a must read...
Personally I like the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course. Couple of things I like are the giving of examples of the most readings you will probably encounter and the linking to other related kanji and "be aware of similar looking kanji" notes
It links with their kanji dictionary and they have a bunch of graded readers to go along with it, which I love. I think you can get level 1 and maybe 2 free for kindle. The others are pretty reasonably priced.
You could probably get them slightly cheaper by ordering from Amazon Japan. With shipping, the total comes out to about $55.
A lot of people swear by Wheelock's Latin; it can be obtained for $16 on Amazon. I took the Cambridge course(the first two books, but online, I think?), however I believe it's a bit more expensive.
Wheelock uses original Latin texts, Cambridge uses a made up story about a family. Wheelock might also be a bit heavy; Cambridge was pretty easy, at least as far as I got.
Also worth mentioning is lingua latina per se illustrata, which is a book entirely in Latin, and you pretty much just learn by immersion. PDFs can be found with minimal work.
Uh, ok? Are you aware you were just watching a baseball game? The rockets play basketball.
Seriously, man, read up, less than ten bucks on amazon. It’ll show up right to your door.
In general, don't focus on memorizing pronunciations, study words, the kanji will come along for the ride. There's no such thing as picking which pronunciation is correct for a kanji, there are just correct and incorrect pronunciations of WORDS.
If you really want to learn all the pronunciation patterns for a given a kanji (understanding that this, on it's own, is completely useless), find one word each that uses all the pronunciations, and then memorize those. That way you'll at least get some vocab out of it.
For example, rather than trying to memorize that 人 can be pronounced three ways (ひと、じん、にん) , just teach yourself 人ごみ=ひとごみ=crowd、人口=じんこう=population、人気=にんき=popular.
If you want to take an extra step and learn more about radicals, the pieces of kanji that make up kanji, that can sometimes help with knowing some pronunciations of words, but it's not guaranteed. In the end, one must memorize.
https://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Course-Step/dp/1568365268/