I am as progun as they come. I keep my firearms in a heavy safe, with one home defense pistol in a separate smaller quick-access safe near the bed.
If there is even a small chance a kid will wander around your home, FUCKING LOCK THAT SHIT UP. It's really not that hard. Especially if you just have a pistol, small safes or lockboxes can be had for under $50. If even that is too much, cable locks are like $5. No excuses. Stop making us all look bad.
Thankfully, accidental gun deaths are now under 500 a year, even though we have at least 100 million gun owners. It's a shrinking problem. But let's get it as close to 0 as possible. Each one is a tragedy.
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Here is one for $20. It will fit a pistol or two. It obviously won't stop a determined adult with a bit of time, but will at least keep curious toddlers at bay. Buy a better, heavier safe if you can.
This is what I use.
The thing is the absolute toughest pistol safe I have ever seen. So far I haven't seen any detractors be able to open it easily. It's mechanical so you don't have to worry about failing batteries or electronics, and I can open mine and reach my pistol in about a second and a half.
Shipping is $30+ dollars at Midway (the add a free-ship item to bring down cost trick is no more). You can pick up a similar storage cabinet for $92 shipped on Amazon
Edit: see Wal-Mart deal below
I understand where you're coming from because trigger locks are trash, but I'm talking about actually securing your shit with a pistol safe for quick access and a gun safe for everything else. Sure nothing is 100%, but keep the combo to yourself and that barrier will be enough to keep your kids out, and bolt it down and it will prevent theft from burglars.
If the threat model is persistent intruder, then you might have an issue even with a safe that's not secured to the location.
If the thread model is "kids/guests", then any sort of lock box is going to be just fine.
As you say, a quick-access safe in discrete concealment might meet the best of both worlds. A GunVault Micro at 8.5" x 11" x 2.5" is going to need a pretty big "book" to conceal. The "Nano" line is only 8.2" x 6" x 1.8", a bit easier.
Also, there's plenty of in-plain-sight furniture (shelving, tables, &c.) along those lines.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_m4kXCbTFTX5W7
Yeah it's a extra step and every second counts, but it's about as quick as opening a drawer. If it makes you feel any better, you can blame the piles of shit in people suits who let their kids blow their brains out. That's what I do.
>My car doesn’t have a lockable glovebox, which sucks.
Get a locking container! They're $20-30. Here is one at Amazon, Knob Creek has a few on the shelf on the back side of the store near the cafeteria next to the used holsters, Cabelas sells them. They cable to a hard point on the car like a seat rail and lock. They are not safes but are a good layer of security.
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>Fun fact in KY is you can’t store a weapon in a non-OEM locked compartment.
I don't think that is an accurate statement. The typical legal language is "Not readily accessible" and "in a locked container".
I think you're conflating the older laws about vehicle carry. KY and several other states allow non-permit holders to carry a gun in a vehicle without a carry permit in an OEM compartment in the car. Even the restrictive states and also federal law regularly cite locking containers as being required for transport. Here in KY, the recent enactment of constitutional carry also makes this moot. If you can carry a gun on your person sans permit in KY then having a gun in your control in a car under any condition is also now legal.
I'd be real curious to learn if I'm wrong. A law that requires storage in an OEM compartment is stupid. If there is one I'd like to hear about it so I can talk to my state reps to get it fixed.
I picked This GunVault up from Amazon. I wanted something that was easy for me to get to and wasn't something my kid was going to get into. It has a keylock as backup incase the battery goes dead.
> a cheaper option right now
Keep a eye on amazon. I got mine on sale for $15.
It's only $155.95 on Amazon, but Gunvault has it for $444.99. That's cheap it if can get such a huge discount on Amazon. Cheap materials with a circuit board made in China.
https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-SVB500-Speedvault-Biometric-Black/dp/B006OGOHD0
I definitely understand your point, but as someone who works in tech I will say, consumer electronics are built to be shock tolerant within a traditional use case, especially given that the majority of housings I have seen for keypad safes are plastic, the chances of static shock killing a unit are extremely small if not zero given it isn't cheap Chinese quality.
As long as you replace the batteries bi-annually, or at least once a year as per manufacturer recommendation and dependant on how often you open your safe, you'll likely never have a problem.
Honestly, I trust my bedside safe a bit less than my main safe because it's hard to find a good quality bedside one and I've had mine fail, but there's some rather good full size fire safes out there.
Highly recommend getting a Fort Knox PB1 lock box. It has simplex locking mechanism which needs no batteries and is very quick and easy to open.
GunVault SV500 - SpeedVault Handgun Safe https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_0eCXFbJXT4F47
My dad still to this day says this is the favorite gift I’ve given him. And he has a full hidden room vault.
I actually bought in a local online retail store were I live, but managed to find a almost identical aside from the branding on Amazon.
It's the X-Large size one.
The Sentry QAP1E might fit the bill depending on the size of the handgun you are wanting to secure. http://www.sentrysafe.com/Products/496/QAP1E_Digital_Pistol_Safe_
It has a backlit digital lock, barrel lock backup and includes hardware for mounting to a floor or shelf though you may need something self tapping to go through your cars floor. Its pretty well rated on Amazon.
As I have smaller children, I needed something that was a bit more "safe" than just velcro'd to my nightstand (which I did before they arrived). I switched out to a GunVault SpeedVault SV500. Its small, I actually bolted it to the back of my nightstand. Opens easy, drops down for a quick grab of my pistol. It would keep most robbers from even knowing its there (who looks behind a nightstand in a smash-and-grab...they generally just toss the drawers), keeps it away from the kids but keeps it quite easy to access. Costco has them often for less than $100 (they are $123 on Amazon right now)
I bought a cheap holster on amazon and attached it to the back of my headboard with some wood screws and washers, If you're concerned with burglars just throw a tshirt over it. Or you can think about getting something like this.
Well that we can’t disagree on.
A safe will cost you $85 on Amazon (I use this one and recommend it) and it is your responsibility, the owner, to purchase one. If anybody carries a gun because “you never know”, so I’ll encourage y’all to buy one of these, cause you never know when you might bump into a place where people may ban it, even for political matters.
Truth is politics will always play a role, so if we, gun owners do our shit correctly, I wanna see anybody pointing fingers at our guns.
Gun safe's are pretty darn cheap for basic models. Walmart has a 10-rifle safe for $99. It might not stand up to part (d) of the definition, but it's there. Amazon has a biometric rifle safe for $215 (and 2-day shipping) that gets decent reviews. These options aren't perfect, but they're a far sight better than keeping it in a travel bag in the closet, and don't add much burden.
My wife and I each have one of these bolted to the heavy nightstands on either side of our bed.
We keep our carry guns in them at night, and all of the rest of the guns are kept in the larger vault in the basement. Having a 3 year old daughter, our biggest priority is keeping her safe, so we needed something that wouldn't be easy to get into. For our nightstand safes, we didn't need something to keep out a determined burglar as those safes are empty when we're out or during the day. We mostly need to keep little fingers off of our guns while our guns aren't on our hips. These are perfect for that.
Just bought this one last week. Inexpensive and well-built. Bolted the tether cable to my vehicle in the spare tire compartment, so it's concealed and pretty much smash-n-grab proof. BARELY fits my HK VP9 + wife's Shield 9 at the same time.
Key-only lock, but it's 18ga steel, TSA approved, and cheap.
I've got the same one on the back of my nightstand next to my bed. Currently, got a Glock 41 (45ACP) with a light on it in it. All the rest of my guns are in a real safe. This one keeps it handy for quick access, but even more importantly, keeps curious little fingers away.
> The ones that I've been looking at are either too expensive, too slow to get open, or too easy for the kid to get into.
There are several small quick access safes that are both affordable (<$200) and secure. Here is one and here is another.
But by all means the family comes first both financially and safety wise. I don't have any guns right now because with money tight my wife and 2 kids are first. I wouldn't feel uncomfortable with a small safe such as what I linked you too either on the security side or on the speed of access side.
I also work in a damn Gun Free zone. I carry a tactical pen, and a olight S30R baton II flashlight. Good luck.
Truth. This guy knows what up. Most stolen guns are obtained from cars. Get a goddamn $30 gun safe.
Just got this last week for the times I absolutely have to leave mine in the car. Looped the cable where the seats are bolted to the floorboard.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TONRU9S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
No problem. This is what I have, but they seem to have gone up in price a little. The combination one looks to be about $20 though.
Same size as the gunvault and half the price. Likely made in the same factory as well.
Not biometric but works without batteries and it will always open. Pretty well built. I bought one and had it sent to my Niece when they were having a baby for the pistol I gave them earlier. Other similar models might not be out of stock.