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> 2nd research its not hard do it and you will find I'm right
Yeah, no. I've read books by people who know what they're talking about, like Peter Heather. Feminism ain't got nothing to do with it.
Feminism also doesn't explain why the Eastern Roman Empire lasted until 1453.
And the connection between feminism and Babylon is pure, unadulterated bullshit--pretty much what I expect from somebody who tells people to "research" instead of supporting their position.
they were starving to death because there was no food, no water, no buildings, and no society.
https://www.amazon.com/Savage-Continent-Europe-Aftermath-World/dp/125003356X
you make it sound as if I personally take some EU funds. And you have a really condescending attitude. "You take our money, we helped you, so you must listen as we tell you". From my perspective (I am Czech), it was Germany and Russia who fucked my country up 80 years ago. One side Nazis killing slavic people because they were untermenschen, on the other side fucking USSR. If it were not for these two countries, communism would not have decimated eastern Europe. You need some history lessons
https://www.amazon.com/Bloodlands-Europe-Between-Hitler-Stalin/dp/0465031471
and nowadays we see history repeating itself. Gemany is no more nazistic and imperialistic, but it is spineless and enabling another fascist Regime, which is current Russia. Russia is again threatening other countries
> The various atrocities of the 19th and 20th century that were committed by Westerners and the guilt they have instilled seem to be the main driver to me, combined with the cultural influences of Christianity (I think the social justice movement is just the post-religion version of Christianity), which is a religion and philosophical system that preaches conciliation, peace and repentance.
This thesis, that Christianity is basically the air that everything in the modern West breathes, is the basis for <em>Dominion</em>, by Tom Holland. Highly recommended.
> before the Church plunged Europe into the Dark Ages
If by the "Church" you mean the "collapse of the Western Roman Empire partly due to invasion and raiding" and by "plunged" you mean "precipitated the slow decline of the infrastructure of the society" and by the "Dark Ages" you mean the "Early Middle Ages" then there are plenty of history books, a good overview one is Europe: A History or for a wider view History: From the Dawn of Civilization to the Present Day.
"The Vatican's stance toward Nazism is fiercely debated. History has accused wartime pontiff Pius the Twelfth of complicity in the Holocaust and dubbed him "Hitler's Pope." But a key part of the story has remained untold.
Pius ran the world's largest church, smallest state, and oldest spy service. Saintly but secretive, he skimmed from church charities to pay covert couriers, and surreptitiously tape-recorded his meetings with top Nazis. When he learned of the Holocaust, Pius played his cards close to his chest. He sent birthday cards to Hitler--while plotting to overthrow him.
Church of Spies documents this cross-and-dagger intrigue in shocking detail. Gun-toting Jesuits stole blueprints to Hitler's homes. A Catholic book publisher flew a sports plane over the Alps with secrets filched from the head of Hitler's bodyguard. The keeper of the Vatican crypt ran a spy ring that betrayed German war plans and wounded Hitler in a briefcase bombing.
The plotters made history in ways they hardly expected. They inspired European unification, forged a U.S.-Vatican alliance that spanned the Cold War, and challenged Church teachings on Jews. Yet Pius' secret war muted his public response to Nazi crimes. Fearing that overt protest would impede his covert actions, he never spoke the "fiery words" he wanted.
Told with heart-pounding suspense, based on secret transcripts and unsealed files, Church of Spies throws open the Vatican's doors to reveal some of the most astonishing events in the history of the papacy. "
Thanks! Snyder is a great writer. Bloodlands is definitely worth the read -- it's a look at the mass killings under the Hitler and Stalin regimes. If that sounds like both-sides-ism or something, it's more like 'political mass murder' is itself the center of the story, often told from the point of view of its victims.
Matt 7.12 and Luke 6.31. Both have it. Confucious has the silver, not the golden rule. Big difference. Those who claim it predates Jesus ubiquitously need to cite some sources. Also, it would be helpful to read Atheist Tom Holland’s book “DominionDominion ” on the seismic effect of Xianity on classical morality
She's pretty beefy, but it's a fascinating read. The author goes into detail about the perfect storm that resulted in the war and how just about every single world event since can be directly linked to it and its results.
Savage Continent has a few chapters and great detail about what happened to collaborators. All kinds, too like romantic, financial, business, etc.
"All modern Christianity is fake Christianity" your use of "all" is a logical fallacy. Having spent the last half century as a christian, I have found that pantheistic, deistic and agnostic beliefs CANNOT account for the universe nor for humanity. I highly recommend the atheist Tom Holland's excellent book https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Christian-Revolution-Remade-World/dp/0465093507 Blessings in Christ (Messiah) Jesus.
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I understand :) What got you into soccer? and random question but is soccer big over there? It's nice to meet an American fan. I play FPL as well. How your team doing? Mine hasn't been doing the best though and with Aguero scoring 5 goals this week, I'm very much regret not having him on my team. If you like European history then I recommend you check out "Europe: A history" by Norman Davies I linked to Amazon USA for you to check it out. It's a good book and a good read. I know what you mean about there being a lot of history here. I remember when I was younger when my family used go on holiday, we used stop at a car park that had a castle and monument there. I never really thought much of it until I was older and decided to look into what it was about. It turns out this happened there. Feels strange to know that it may have happened on one of the spots we may have parked. I've always wanted to visit Boston and D.C so I'll definitely check them out in the future. To be honest I haven't heard good things about Philadelphia, What's wrong with Philadelphia? One place I'd suggest you check out is York. After all, New York and York share history and name. There are many places I've love to visit in Europe too. Italy or Spain would be where I'd start. Thank you for the advice, I appreciate it.
The book that these bullet points come from is called Bloodlands:Europe between Hitler and Stalin, and is extremely in depth and readable.
Check out Bloodlands if you want see just how bad it was in Eastern Europe and why Russia believes the Ukraine belongs to them.
> We'd be able to quickly agree on a very baseline moral code- helping people is good, hurting people is bad, that sort of thing. That kind of very basic morality is universal (indeed, its instinctual- this is basically what guilt tracks to).
Do the following examples fit your generalization:
> The more years I spent immersed in the study of classical antiquity, so the more alien I increasingly found it. The values of Leonidas, whose people had practised a peculiarly murderous form of eugenics and trained their young to kill uppity Untermenschen by night, were nothing that I recognised as my own; nor were those of Caesar, who was reported to have killed a million Gauls, and enslaved a million more. It was not just the extremes of callousness that unsettled me, but the complete lack of any sense that the poor or the weak might have the slightest intrinsic value. (Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World, 16)
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> By identifying rationality with social superiority – by taking for granted the deference of inferiors, of a domestic sphere – the ancient world had less need for a doctrine of the will. It had less need to posit a separate event or faculty preceding action in every person. The notion of human agency was shaped by the structure of society. Some were simply born to command and others to obey. Hence there was no ontological gap between thought and action. The status of the person who reasoned guaranteed the availability of action if required. (Inventing the Individual, 35–36)
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if you're interested in the later empire, don't overlook Peter Heather's "The Fall of the Roman Empire: A New History of Rome and the Barbarians".
Incredible stuff. If you want even more depth I sincerely recommend the book A World Undone. The amount of context and background it provides (in addition to taking you all the way through the war itself) is staggering. The audiobook is great as well.
Except they literally didn't. Before the Jesus movement, education was only for the wealthy class. Hospitals did not exist. And literally the entirety of racial and gender equality comes from this line from the Apostle Paul: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Please read Dominion by Tom Holland. He is a historian who also happens to be atheist but confirms everything I'm saying. Literally every concept you hold dear is from Christianity, you are just swimming in it so you can't even notice it.
https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Christian-Revolution-Remade-World/dp/0465093507
Your entire worldview is shaped by Christianity, you're just swimming in it so you can't even tell. Please read this book by honest atheist Tom Holland. Anything and everything you believe in is from Christianity.
https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Christian-Revolution-Remade-World/dp/0465093507
I would recommend this book (assuming of course your not some disingenuous Marxist arguing in bad faith) it will explain the many reasons why you are wrong!
https://www.amazon.com/Bloodlands-Europe-Between-Hitler-Stalin/dp/0465031471
Lots of good suggestions already, two outliers:
A World Undone (fantastic World War 1 book, amazing narrator)
Deadliest Enemy (great medical book, history, research info, etc.)
The entire of Western civilization is so Christian that all the atheists on Reddit would never be able to handle it. Equality of men and women, racial equality, no slavery, the idea that the weak or oppressed are the real heroes... these are ALL Christian values that came from Christianity exclusively. Read Dominion by Tom Holland (who is an atheist) if you don't believe me. https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Christian-Revolution-Remade-World/dp/0465093507
I've joked before about how the ignorant Russian soldiers don't know what an indoor toilet is but here is a quote from a truly superb book I'm reading at present, Bloodlands - Europe between Hitler & Stalin. (can't RECOMMEND it highly enough!)
When Germany & Russia secretly agreed to 'share' Poland - in Russia's portion, they brought in Russian communist party persons to take charge of this area:
>"The Soviet Citizens who now ruled Eastern Poland were falling off bicycles, eating toothpaste, using toilets as sinks, wearing multiple watches, or bras as earmuffs , or lingerie as evening gowns."
I joked but the TRUTH is not far off - this is a quote from a truly superb book I'm reading at present, Bloodlands - Europe between Hitler & Stalin. (can't RECOMMEND it highly enough!)
When Germany & Russia secretly agreed to 'share' Poland - in Russia's portion, they brought in Russian communist party persons to take charge of this area:
>"The Soviet Citizens who now ruled Eastern Poland were falling off bicycles, eating toothpaste, using toilets as sinks, wearing multiple watches, or bras as earmuffs , or lingerie as evening gowns."
Funny thing is I made the joke before I read this portion of the book!
Sounds like the typical communist mass murder psychosis driven propaganda against religion. If you must read something that stirs up your humanity, I recommend this book: Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder
>According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million. At least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed between 1937 and 1941.
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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution\_of\_Christians\_in\_the\_Soviet\_Union
Check out agnostic history writer Tom Holland's Dominion, Christianity transformed ancient pagan society in many important ways. The West did not always have the moral values and theological assumptions it has today. To take one example, the poor were by and large ignored in Greco-Roman pagan antiquity. Charity was not common and "obvious" in the West prior to the arrival of Christianity.
>E esse artigo aí é uma resenha de um livro. No mínimo mostra um estudo.
https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Slaves-Muslim-Masters-Mediterranean/dp/1403945519
Aqui está o livro.
"Robert Davis is professor emeritus of Italian Renaissance and pre-modern Mediterranean history at Ohio State University. He has studied Naples, Rome, Palermo, Venice, the Vatican, and Perugia, and mostly works on the lives of ordinary people and the values they cherished. His subjects have ranged from shipbuilders, bull fighters, and amateur boxers in Venice to the corsairs who terrorized the Mediterranean everywhere else. He has co-authored studies of Venice as the world's most touristed city and of Renaissance men and women. He has also been in a number of television documentaries, on shipbuilding, Carnival, and the Mediterranean slave trade, and is currently writing a textbook on the history of modern Europe."
> OP notice this is the book that all the atheists are telling you not to read.
A - I'm not an atheist.
B - Thinking a book is shit doesn't isn't a conspiracy. Just as disliking Christian assholes doesn't mean they are persecuted for Jesus' sake.
I like my history to come from historians. They are, you know, better equipped for it in general. I also like it to not come from smug assholes like DBH. I also don't like it to be packaged as a smug rejoinder against the general historical idiocy of people like Dawkins/Hitchens/Harris - they are as irrelevant here as they are when they spout off nonsense philosophical ideas.
I would recommend a far better book for OP which isn't "against atheism", but instead is just a good historical book. Tom Holland's Dominion: How the Christian Revolution Remade the World.
As you can see from this review, it has some of the same subtext - debunking bad history, but it has its own independent thesis to talk about that's a worthy one. https://historyforatheists.com/2020/01/tom-holland-dominion/
I think Dominion by Tom Holland, a non-Christian historian, is a good primer on the roots of the distinctives of the Western mind:
https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Christian-Revolution-Remade-World/dp/0465093507
Secularism, for instance, involving the State as self-consciously contrasted with 'Religion,' is itself a Western Christian invention, created for Christian purposes (first, to distinguish the supernatural from the natural functions of society, and later to mediate sectarian disputes among Christians). The Western ideas of universal human dignity (descended from the idea that we are made in the image of God, whatever else distinguishes us), the intrinsic intelligibility of reality (because God is logos and creation reflects that), the duty of the strong to the weak and the peculiar moral authority of the oppressed (rooted in Jesus's characteristic ethical teachings), of universal historical human progress (rooted in Christian eschatology), the primacy of conscience (rooted in the Christian drama of individual salvation) and universal rights, to name a few, are all rehashed Christian doctrines. It's not Christianity's mere presence that makes the West a product of Christianity, but Christianity's central role in explaining the dominance and prevalence of the West's signature commitments.
oh it may very well look like the list that was made, but again it was made specifically for Italian Fascism, and thus isn't relevant to most other contexts. Furthermore it's one person's opinion and isn't any kind of established fact.
pre-war Fascism was closely tied to American New Deal politics btw
https://www.amazon.com/Three-New-Deals-Reflections-Roosevelts/dp/0312427433