King, Warrior, Magician, Lover
It talks about the 4 archetypes of masculinity, the importance of rituals from boyhood to manhood, and the immature versions of each masculine archetype during the two stages ( boyhood and manhood ).
The main take away is that "in the present crisis in masculinity we do not need, as some feminists are saying, less masculine power. We need more masculine power. But we need more of the mature masculine." The end result is that build up these archetypes in ourselves.
It helped support my individuality and how to overcome some of my insecurities. Some being understanding that as much as I like boxing I'm considerate enough to not punch as hard as I could ( Warrior and Magician ) to silly things like being okay to order fruity drinks ( Lover ).
There's tons more in the book for its size. It's my number 1 recommendation every time.
Constitutional. Chad's just going to catch a dozen STDs and die in a bar fight before he's 30, like the Bourbons did.
I'd be happiest with a system that was close to the US, but with a king instead of a president and a bit more decentralization of power. But I think that even a crowned republic is better than an uncrowned one; Jung believed implicitly, Lewis explicitly, that a country is happiest with a king.
There's a great book about "growing up with an immature mentality". It was written in the 70s and still so relevant: https://www.amazon.fr/King-Warrior-Magician-Lover-Rediscovering/dp/0062506064. Let me know if you'd like a TL;DR :-)
Man, I literally just bought a copy of Aion from Amazon yesterday. It also gave me the kindle version with it. It has the annotations.
It was like $24 or so.
Aion: Researches into the Phenomenology of the Self (Collected Works of C.G. Jung Vol.9 Part 2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/069101826X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_vdd7Db1FENDJK
That’s the one
This one. Also, not that all the entries will be in Swizz.
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English translations for each essay/entry is all in the back of the book
Personality Type: An Owners Manual
This is a book, not an online source, but it's the best resource I've read. It has profiles on each type as well as very in-depth descriptions of the different functions, and it helped me move beyond the "profile" sort of typing where you just try to match someone's personality as a whole to those prefabricated profiles to actually understanding how functions work and how they might express themselves differently in people's behaviour. It's a good investment IMO.
Men be getting fucked over, women be getting fucked over. Everyone gets fucked over by ideals imposed on them in some way, I don't think it's a competition. Warped hyper-masculinity has negative effects on men and women, calling everything you see toxic masculinity is just as counterproductive. I'm going off topic but perceptions and views of what masculinity is in the West and other countries have gotten really weird lately and lead to a lot of negative side effects for both genders, this is a good book that tries to make sense of the "ideal" masculine: https://www.amazon.com/King-Warrior-Magician-Lover-Rediscovering/dp/0062506064
And it helped me a lot with getting the brainrot out of my head and putting masculine gender issues and ideas of masculinity and how they relate to the world into perspective. Important to explore new ideas of what the ideal masculine might mean and helps understand what masculinity is to everyone else in the world. Interesting tings
Dude, meditate and read the Quran and bible then see how this makes you feel. You have tapped into the spiritual, it's up to you to take care of it get yourself a relationship with The Spirit. One of Carl Jung's drawings, which is called 'One word that was never spoken. / One light that was never lit up. / An unparalleled confusion. / And a road without end.' Corresponds to 'The Manifestation of Divine Light which is a Surah in the Quran.
May I introduce you to the psychiatrist Carl Jung who dealt with such sides of the personality(the unconscious mind). He made the Red Book which was a book filled with drawings of what he saw in the unconscious mind. With his minds eye he saw visions where he saw/heard things and those led to psychological breakthroughs.
I've seen art here on this sub play out into my environment in a prophetic way. I saw it in the sub then i saw it days later in strange place(obviously strange since I didn't expect to see it, and we're abstract why vibes) And some of it is reminiscent of the Red Book/New Book
Honestly why TF is Carl Jung called the father of psychology if We(people with abnormal functions he experimented with in himself and with his patients) are given pills and treated to strange conditions? I'm not a new ageist, nor a conspiracy theorist, I'm confused by how little we try to learn about how we were made.
Some people won't like that there are high standards for finding our place in society for each gender. Thing is, when you do live up to them, you flourish. This book summarized things really well for me:
King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062506064/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_FHNHFANKTYPXAJXA5FM2
I think this might have blown up because the majority of us want there to be equality, love and goodwill between gender and sexes, despite what the talking heads and polls say.
I think a lot of women in this and the last generation have had a real disconnect with their fathers. There is a huge hole in there minds and hearts about what it means to be a "strong" man and get strong male support. Men need to develop more paternal and kingly values and behaviors and set better examples to combat true toxic masculinity and underdeveloped childish masculinity.
The issue is of course the "nice guy" stigma that can often get attached to it. Good men need to balance those forces better. Being a nice guy with an edge. Mastering the energy of the bad boy that attracts females without the actual maladaptive traits that too often come with an alpha type males.
There is a great book called "King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of Mature Masculine." I think it should be required reading for men globally. It helps men to understand the dimensions of the masculine self and how one goes both right and wrong in manifesting those energies.
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https://www.amazon.com/King-Warrior-Magician-Lover-Rediscovering/dp/0062506064
Flipping or splitting is not growth. Some people "snap" between opposites but that's just your suppressed archetype trying to assert itself. I recommend this book, though it is a little bit dated. Your childhood archetypes are rebelling, which is natural. Now it's time to start forming adult archetypes.
Jumping onto the book recommendations bandwagon...
King, Warrior, Magician, Lover by Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette
My psychologist had me read this at the beginning of our time together. The primary takeaway is an understanding that there are are mature, overactive-immature, and shadow-immature ways of expressing each of the four parts of your personality.
In my experience, when people make statements like your mom's made, about hating all men, they hate when men act in immature ways, but they're also failing to realize that there are mature ways for men to express ALL parts of their personality.
This book offers mentorship/self-help for men without misogyny.
King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062506064/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_KQ39DZ37QRHT560Y5BV3
There are two books that stand out more than any others to me:
This book covers The Smith Waite deck's symbology with more detail and care by an order of magnitude than any other that I've encountered. It is a hefty text, and can be used as a reference guide if you don't have the time to read it cover to cover.
This book covers a no nonsense history of the tarot, which is enormously useful in terms of adding grander context to readings. As a word of warning, the book does not pander to mythological histories of tarot (Crowley's writings on Egyptian origins is the biggest example), so be aware that it is from a much more scholarly perspective and less spiritual. But the context of the tradition's origins is something which adds a huge amount of depth to understanding.
I am not a psychologist.
But I will leave this here:
https://www.amazon.com/Jung-Astrology-C-G/dp/1138230731
Jung was a practicing astrologer and used charts for all or almost all of his clients (according to my memory of the Astrology Podcast episode on this book).
If psychologists were required to take a year of natal astrology, the field would be revolutionized. That's only the beginning. The field is so far behind itself, I see so many suffering who don't have to be. As someone with chronic difficulty myself, I see the dismal failure of the "psychological industry" to acknowledge higher truths, chasing its own tail, claiming scientificism but but completely missing and ignoring the science behind trauma... don't get me started.
Anyway, yeah. Jung.
I know the feeling. Growing up being “sent to therapy” was a threat. Took a panic attack and the feeling life was slipping through my fingers to take the plunge. Therapy lead me to the most positive outcome I’ve ever experienced.
If you’re the reading type, Carl Jung (founder of modern psychotherapy) wrote an autobiography and in it he describes what therapy is. He’s also an extremely interesting and well written person with a great story that sometimes seems like fiction. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0679723951/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_6M7Z046HD0JR61KGHFJE
Many people will tell you to read "Man and His Symbols", but only one piece in there is written by Jung himself (everything else is from other Jungian analysts).
If you want a really short book that covers the core ideas in under 150 pages, then "The Undiscovered Self" is probably the best quick introduction.
> People are manifest onto the world through their conscious actions, they may somewhat fit some behavioral models but this is all these are, models
Yet, you're still capable of saying something as dumb as "They are mutually exclusive"
All you're proving by pointing you said that is your own stupidity.
> Anyways, here is a quote from the start of chapter 10 of psychological types:
Quote which doesn't contradict my point at all, and doesn't remotely support yours either.
Moving the goalpost now...
> In any case, Jung is pretty outdated as a primary source to use in a modern context, if you are interested in learning about a modern interpretation I recommend the following: https://www.amazon.ca/Energies-Patterns-Psychological-Type-consciousness/dp/1138922285
Yes, yes, Jung is outdated in Jungian psychology... Lol :
Either way, now that you're prove wrong, you try to discredit Jung, uh ? Better than admitting you're wrong, I guess. Well anywya, try to weasel yourself out all you want, the simple Truth is that you're plain wrong...
Regarding spelling and grammar:
lol your french spelling is spilling over while criticizing correct spelling over half your post.
Language is fluid, otherwise l'académie would be out of a job :p
Grammar nazism doesn't add anything of value to the discussion most of the time: we all have auto-correct (or so i thought lol).
Also this is something I typed earlier in the posts you supposedly already read:
> People are manifest onto the world through their conscious actions, they may somewhat fit some behavioral models but this is all these are, models
It would explain why you conflate having read Jung with understanding, seeing that you are basically parroting something I already typed.
Anyways, here is a quote from the start of chapter 10 of psychological types:
> The general-attitude types, as I have pointed out more than once, are differentiated by their particular attitude to the object. The introvert's attitude to the object is an abstracting one; at bottom, he is always facing the problem of how libido can be withdrawn from the object, as though an attempted ascendancy on. the part of the object had to be continually frustrated. The extravert, on the contrary, maintains a positive relation to the object. To such an extent does he affirm its importance that his subjective attitude is continually being orientated by, and related to the object. An fond, the object can never have sufficient value; for him, therefore, its importance must always be paramount.
In any case, Jung is pretty outdated as a primary source to use in a modern context, if you are interested in learning about a modern interpretation I recommend the following: https://www.amazon.ca/Energies-Patterns-Psychological-Type-consciousness/dp/1138922285
Lol thanks for posting this before me.
For anyone who's interested,
Even though there have been a few videos on why Luffy is a good leader, him being worthy of the mantle of king has never been explored to the same extent.
In this analysis video, using the book <em>King, Warrior, Magician, Lover</em> by Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette I identify the qualities that Luffy possesses and how Oda has written Luffy to be the peak of masculinity within the One Piece world.
Do give it a watch if you're interested!
Holistic Tarot is pretty much the only book you’ll ever have to read on tarot. It’s a mammoth, so even if you don’t sit down to read the whole thing it’s a superb reference.
It depends on your interests; no two psychonauts are the same in their priorities, but he has touched on enough topics to have something for most intuitive types. You could do what I did, and pick up a copy of The Portable Jung. It has excerpts from a whole bunch of his writings, so you can either read front to back and have a good general idea of his stuff, or you can pick and choose what is most interesting and then follow the source material to larger volumes of his work on the topic, like the aforementioned Man and His Symbols.
I can tell you where not to start. Aion or the Red Book. Take him to dinner before going in the deep end.
I personally would argue a different logic. But that isn’t to say your direction is wrong. In the end I believe we’d have the same understanding, but using different syntax. It also seems you’re really centered around duality where there’s a perfection and it’s anthesis. Where the archetypes are more of a spectrum. But again, to me, both are trying to explain the same phenomena. It all just depends on how you shape the argument.
Have you read “King Warrior Magician Loved”? Which directly dives into the spectrum of each archetype? That might help to see where your idea of forms fit in. (Amazon link at end)
Fun fact: did you know Plato’s forms might have been an inhibiting reason why it took so long for science to discover evolution?
King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine https://www.amazon.com/dp/0062506064/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ZeIIDbF5DA2J8
i think Sam is talking about ego consciousness not being all there is...which Carl Jung goes into in book Aion: Researches into the Phenomenology of the Self. In this book he discusses how the the archetype of the Self(god-image) has been projected onto religious figures over the past few thousand years etc which has been enough for civilisation up until recent times, but Jung discovered that one can form a direct relationship with it and therefore regain what has run out of steam for some people in the form of traditional religions.
I'm reading a book right now called "King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine." link: https://www.amazon.com/King-Warrior-Magician-Lover-Rediscovering/dp/0062506064
One of the more interesting parts has been the discussion of the warrior archetype, or the "inner warrior" which is posed as one of the major archetypes of the male psyche.
In my own thinking, I've decided that the "inner warrior" is really more of a gender neutral thing, and the actions of this girlfriend here totally line up with that. I love what she did here.
> I see you've already come to a similar conclusion.
Yes. There are also some good arguments on the possible mechanisms in Chapter 3 of the following book, if you're interested. https://www.amazon.com/Holistic-Tarot-Integrative-Approach-Personal/dp/158394835X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534794756&sr=8-1&keywords=holistic+tarot
Joseph Campbell was heavily inspired by Carl Jung. For example JC assembled as an editor various essays CJ wrote over decades into a single anthology called The Portable Jung.
A lot of John Beebe’s ideas are nicely summarized in this book. It isn’t super cheap, but it’s worth it if all you’d like to read things you won’t necessarily find on the internet.