Check out the book "Dr. Seuss goes to war". They show his political work throughout ww2 with context. Lots of the images are super racist but you can really get an interesting perspective of how people actually felt with how he laid out info. Apparently the paper version is not available but kindle version is. amazon: Dr. Seuss goes to war
The ships he is interested in are the so-called "Big 5" of the Tennessee and Colorado classes, as well as the Pennsylvania and Nevada.
The best single book for this would probably be Norman Friedman's US Battleships: An Illustrated Design History. Includes those classes as well as others before and after. That Amazon pricing is really good - looks like the 2016 paperback reprint did wonders for making it affordable (though, if the reviews are to be believed, less complementary to some of the images). It's 480 pages long, so that $37 gets you a lot of book!
Whilst waiting for the book, there are plenty of images and drawings on Navsource.org for those ships. He might also be interested in the weapons themselves, which can be found on Navweaps.com.
Thank you!
Online websites, YouTube and mostly books on the subject.
This particular book is excellent and not terribly expensive
/u/Myname1is hit all the high points. In addition to "Italy's Battle Rifle" by Russ Arendell and Steve Woodrum, this website is an excellent resource, but is in Italian and will require translation software in your web browser. They published a book however with the same info (and more) in English: The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental and Production History by by Giovanni Chegia (Author), Alberto Simonelli (Author), Ralph Riccio (Contributor).
Post what you find! Probably not a ton to find, but Id be surprised if there were no roundel or stock makers mark anywhere.
Couple books if you're looking to add to a library.
Italy's Battle Rifle by Russ Arendell and Steve Woodruff. You might snag a hard copy on Gunboards when Russ posts that some are out there, but otherwise you can download a digital copy from their website for 25 ish bucks.
The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental and Production History (0) Hardcover – June 28, 2016 by Giovanni Chegia and Alberto Simonelli. This is the English translation of the website I linked above but with more details and properly translated text. It's got a ton of details with original Italian documentation cited.
Here is a link to the book. It has great information on all the models produced. https://www.amazon.com/Model-1891-Carcano-Rifle-Developmental/dp/0764350811/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=carcano+rifle+book&qid=1619789468&sr=8-3
I also saw your rifle on the subsequent post. It’s definitely a Roma by the receiver stamp. I couldn’t tell if it was a 17 or 18. Your stock has been sportorized and like you said it doesn’t match the rest of the serial numbers so it is not the original stock which is to be expected for a Roma. If it hasn’t been completely sanded off there may be a manufacturer’s stamp on the buttstock. Nice looking rifle. Have fun and good luck finding ammo.
I would recommend this book:
The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A... https://www.amazon.com/dp/0764350811?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
They’re easy to find ATM, try Axis Arms for a handpick option, J&G sales also has some, Buds Gun Shop, & PSA all have a large selection.
Similar to a lot of other nations. Worn out, damaged, broken, or inoperable guns would be overhauled and made servicable again. Lots of these were coated in cosmoline and put into storage. This batch came from what are effectively the Italian national police. Odds are they rarely used them and kept them in storage for the most part. Depending on how well coated they were and where they were kept, they range from being in fantastic shape to mediocre shape.
Also if you want to read more, this book is a great resource. The authors have a web page in italian, which through google translate is at least legible but difficult to interpret some of the info: http://www.il91.it/il91.html
/u/Shellemp got you the answer on the dates
The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental and Production History by by Giovanni Chegia, Alberto Simonelli, and Ralph Riccio is a great book. Still in print, detailed, and affordable.
Their website is all in Italian. The book is nice to have for the proper translation alone.
I strongly suggest you read this book: http://www.amazon.ca/Arab-MiG-19-MiG-21-Units-Combat/dp/1841766550
if you want to know more about Arab aerial warfare.
TL;DR they were backstabbed by the soviets and had to survive based on Trial and error against a well armed and trained IAF.
And between 3 of the studied countries in the book (Egypt, Syria, Iraq), Egypt was the most capable to uphold a good fight against the Israelis.
I read the book last year and I was surprised how much know-how the Egyptians had during a volatile time in their history (purges and government change was a big liability for the Arabs in the 60s and 70s). The Syrians on the other hand, were the WORST! Seriously, I have no idea how they even have survived so far. Unorganized and fucking dumb! + the same ordeal with the Soviets = The worst Arab military I have ever seen.
Anyway, there is a semi-simulation if you are interested, on android and iOS, called Strike fighters and Strike Fighters Israel featuring jets from the Cold war and modern warfare. It's been improved a lot since I started playing and has a ton of jets. It can enable you to get a feeling of what the Arabs and Iranians went through. It comes from the same game with the same name on PC ~10 years ago (Wings over Vietnam, Wings over Europe and Strike fighters 2).
If you are that interested, give it a go.
As a guy currently reading a book there are apparently huge amounts of money going to waste.
I can't take you back to spears, but I have one of the editions of this coffee table book that gives a decent overview of firearms history: https://www.amazon.com/Firearms-Illustrated-History-DK/dp/1465416056
For shoulder arms, the major evolutions from my perspective were as follows:
Of these, only three relate to increased rate of fire in and of themselves. Until World War I, many repeating rifles had a magazine cut-off and the doctrine was that soldiers were to single load rounds into the breach unless an officer authorized them to use the magazine.
Just IMO, but the 1800's were the period with the most rapid and revolutionary growth in technology. In less than 100 years we went from flintlocks to Maxim guns and bolt-action rifles.
For what it's worth, the website's curators have a book also, which has much better English Translations and is laid out a little nicer. The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental and Production History. Steve Woodrum and Russ Arendell also wrote a good book titled Italy's Battle Rifle
I bought a coffee table book called 100 Suns with photos of U.S. nuclear tests and it's definitely a victim of this. I was quite disappointed with how they wasted a lot of the photos.
Here’s your go go book. Still in print and only $60. Got mine with my first carcano as a Christmas present, and it’s WELL worth it. If you’re interested in this family of rifles, this has all your markings, variations, and history soup to nuts.
I have a book called Dr. Seuss Goes to War that is interesting reading.
We have a long history of letting our emotions drive us into misplaced anger with tragic consequences.
Hey, the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor, let’s round up the Japanese Americans.
Hey, we’re the aggressor in a shitty little war in Southeast Asia. Let’s piss all over returning veterans.
Hey, a bunch of Saudi Arabians blew up a couple towers in New York. Let’s invade Iraq. And Afghanistan. And create a massive new government agency and the “Patriot Act.”
A small gift basket with a variety of nuts, trail mix and jelly beans, look online for unusual flavors, a gift card to a sporting goods store so he can buy ammo, socks etc. Does the club he's a member of have any t-shirts with their logo on them? if so throw in one of those. Here is a book about the history of firearms from the earliest cannons to modern warfare weaponry.
Maybe you should spend less time watching TV? It seems to be leaving you completely uninformed.
In World War 2 while we were fighting the Japanese, Dr. Seuss's political cartoons were full of racists Japanese stereotypes. By the '60s Dr. Seuss was regretful of his depictions of the Japanese in the '40s. He acted out of ignorance, became informed, and then changed his mind!
At the same time, you can still buy Seuss's political cartoons, the cartoons have never been censored. In fact, when looking back at this work, he was extremely proud of a few of them (Think the various Dr. Seuss cartoons attacking "America First" that were passed around these past 4 years. "America First" was a racists, pro-Nazi organization that wanted us out of WWII, that it was resurrected as a racist pro-nazi ideology 80 years later, and cartoons from 80 years ago continued to apply to it shows that if history doesn't repeat itself, it definitely rhymes), and extremely ashamed of a few of them as well (1940's Dr. Seuss had a cartoon defending Japanese American internments, something he deeply regretted later in life).
If you get a chance, please buy Dr. Seuss Goes to War, a collection of his cartoons. They're extremely wonderful, wacky, poignant, and still ring true today! Of course, some cartoons are problematic, but those aren't censored but kept there so we can learn from them!
Most of those stamps you reference are the same as what would be found on a Carcano rifle.
Do you have any reference books? I can check mine later.
https://ironlegions.weebly.com/book-on-carcano-rifles-italys-battle-rifle.html
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0764350811/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_1B80PE0M0T5FK6NZJZ89
Posting photos really helps too.
That’s my mistake. I was looking at the crown under RE marking near the Gardone VT marking.
I’ll consult my reference book tomorrow morning for you give you a definitive answer.
In the meantime if you’re looking to learn more about these rifles I’d consider purchasing this book:
The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental and Production History (0) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0764350811/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_30TFEMBVZYC5Q6BGM90J
You're welcome! The folks who operate that website sell a book that's been properly translated. Well worth it for the proper translation alone: https://www.amazon.com/Model-1891-Carcano-Rifle-Developmental/dp/0764350811
The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental and Production History, you can find it on Amazon here. Https://www.amazon.com/dp/0764350811/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_xKv5Fb3MXFW1A?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 It's a very good book and very detailed
Sometimes the number and shape of stars are significant, sometimes not. I've seen a number that have "51" i.e. Area 51, indicated by number, shape of stars. Like 5 stars, then 1 off a bit, or 5 total and 1 is a different color. Probably coincidental, but on the second patch above the eagle...
Trevor Paglen has a book with a number of "secret" patches in it.
https://www.amazon.ca/Could-Tell-Then-Would-Destroyed/dp/193555414X
Looks like a Gardone produced M38 made in 1943. SPxxxx through TXxxx prefixes are recorded in that date range for that manufacturer. I feel as though that is a W and not a V that was double stamped considering it was done on both the stock and the barrel.
I am using production figures found in The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental and Production History by by Giovanni Chegia, Alberto Simonelli, and Ralph Riccio.
The Carcano series of rifles is actually pretty well documented. There are a few good books on the Carcano rifles. I have this particular book which I highly recommend
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0764350811/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_F5SPFbBKA4276
Some stuff isn't well documented just because original records are scarce that confirm what specific markings mean.
I have a copy of Dr. Seuss Goes to War. He was a political cartoonist during WWII. Seeing his style paired with pro-war political cartoons is jarring.
Brescia 1894 production with a FAT refurb mark, likely from the early 20s. It's technically an antique, so not classified as a firearm. If you were ever to sell it, it doesn't need paperwork or need to go through an FFL. Marks on the stock would probably indicate more history, notably if it went through a post WWII refurb at Terni (FAT).
The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental and Production History is a great book on the Carcano, still in print, and still affordable.
Short of any rebuild marks, there's not much specifically I can think of to go looking for right away. Pictures would help ID anything you find, otherwise research online or a good book on Carcano rifles would be helpful, This book in particular is what I have and I think its a great reference. Lots of information, lots of quality photos, and its still in print and priced reasonably.
This is a Model 1891/24 Carbine. These rifles started life as 1891 long rifles. By 1924, the Italians had begun to shift their focus from long rifles most commonly seen during the Great War to short rifles and carbines being issued in larger numbers, especially to troops who's main function was as an infantryman. Even front line combatants saw the benefit to the shorter and lighter M91 Truppe Special carbines in the much closer ranges seen in combat during WWI. With stockpiles of worn out 1891 long rifles and Mussolini's newly formed government eager for military expansion, the nation would be in great need for more carbines.
In 1924 these old 1891 long rifles would begin to be converted to carbines at the Terni Arsenal. While there seems to be some debate about some of the details, the vast majority of 91/24 rifles saw their barrels cut down to the shorter carbine length. Because of the 1891 Carcano's gain twist rifling, the front end of the muzzle was where the desired twist rate would start to realize, so in removing this portion of the barrel, it was likely that accuracy would suffer as the twist rate wouldn't be as fast as design. The 91/24 would retain their original rifle rear sight which was modified for 1500 meters rather than 2000. By 1929, some 200,000 would be converted to this 91/24 pattern and were deemed fit to be used as a substitute to the 91 TS carbines in high demand.
My main source of information is The Model 1891 Carcano Rifle: A Detailed Developmental & Production History by Giovanni Chegia & Alberto Simonelli with Ralph Riccio. For those who might be trying to ID their Carcano who don't want a book on the subject, the Quicky and Dirty Guide written by /u/Othais
Top left is a Treaty cruiser. Top right might be Alaska or Baltimore.
The image is from Norman Friedman's U.S. Battleships: An Illustrated Design History