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Is the deck based from this book by any chance?
Assuming you're looking for a vocab list book and not a dictionary, I quite like format of Soumatome's N5 1000 tango book. I haven't used the N5 version, but I did use the N3 version and liked the formatting.
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I bought はじめての日本語能力試験 N5単語1000 (Amazon Japan Link) and I really like it. I found I knew about 80-90% of the vocab in it, so I only have to review the ones I didn't know. Or sometimes I half-knew it, from Wanikani. That is, if it had been written in kanji, I would've gotten it, but the hiragana threw me. :)
I like it because:
1) It's small. Nice portable book.
2) Each vocab word is used in a sentence, so I can get a lot of sentence-reading practice too. Actually, I feel like I should star this. Because it was nice being able to read sentences I could understand that weren't entirely dumbed down.
3) It has a red card in it that you can place on the pages and it covers up the vocabulary. So you can see the English and you can see the Japanese sentence with a blank in it where the word goes.
4) The quality seems really good. Some of the English I might've worded differently. And sometimes I'd wish for more of an explanation, like 'this is only used for people' or 'this is only used for objects'. But I caught only one thing that I think was a mistake. (It translated じてんしゃ in a sentence as 'train' in the English, but it said 'xe đạp' in the Vietnamese, so I think that was mostly a typo.)
5) Price seemed reasonable at 1404 yen.
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All the kanji has furigana, at least at this level of book. I've already ordered the N4 book, and expect there will a lot more vocab in that one that I don't know.
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This one is also in Vietnamese, so I could use it to study Vietnamese if I wanted, I bet! :)
Glad to help, the first step is always the hardest in a process like this, it's easy to talk yourself into all sorts of things when you just don't know what to do to start.
You nailed the meaning of わたし(私) as I, 私はQtipです -I am Qtip.
Tango is a JLPT N5 book, all it is is around 1000 sentences that indroduces vocab one at a time, it was originally meant for practice once you finish your grammer studies but the MIA group has kinda changed it's usage over the last few years to be the first step into japanese proper with it's "guide" I like it quite a bit, I think this first step could be improved but it's not a horrible first step to getting 1000 vocab words to kick off your knowledge and get you into sentence mining and reading graded readers a little faster. I will agree it's not a "fun" step of the process and if oyu don't want to do it I understand but it does make the first step of you vocab building very easy, even if you do have to grind flash cards with isn't fun. :/
It’s this.
1000 Essential Vocabulary for the JLPT N5 (Trilingue en Japonais - Anglais - Chinois) (N4 (4)) https://www.amazon.com/dp/4872179811/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_LDM9EbWK003RX
Amazon US was out of stock when I ordered mine, so I made an Amazon Japan account and ordered it there. Including shipping, it comes out about the same (slightly less actually).
I was told via email either physical or digital would work, but Amazon Japan will block you from buying the kindle edition. Just order the physical copy and send the order confirmation to MIA immediately. It took me exactly a week to receive both the book and the Tango deck.
Not sure, tbh.
I don't have the right intuition for learning Russian as a second language, and how long it takes before reading novels becomes meaningful. I'd guess it should be more painful than learning English due to conjugations and highly irregular grammar, so you probably shouldn't do it straightaway.
I'm currently starting to learn Japanese, and for that language people suggest going through two books with simple sentences first (right after drilling the kanji, which is where I'm still at) to get the basic vocab and the basic feel for the grammar. Some other people are suggesting completing a beginner-level textbook first (again, to get familiar with basic language patterns).
This advice probably translates to Russian somehow. You can try asking around in the Refold's discord: there you can click a button on the front page with a Russian flag, and they will add you to the group of people learning Russian (I clicked the Japanese one, and got added almost immediately). The community is very helpful, and they can probably suggest how to get through the initial phase where everything is new and confusing as fast as possible, and when to switch to reading.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/はじめての日本語能力試験-N5単語1000-Hajimete-Nouryoku-Vietnamese/dp/4872179811/ I’m using this textbook to study vocabulary. It’s been very helpful so far
I bought this book and i'm roughly 1/3 of the way through it. There are audio files with the book which imo, are worth more than the book itself. Its going alright. My problem is whenever I see something I dont understand (verbs mostly) it really opens a rabbit hole of information on the subject that is imo, overwhelming. I think i'm going to either hire a tutor online or go to my local university and take a class or 2 (which is suprising b/c my local University is quite small but they still offer classes in japanese)
Overall tho, I think i'm making pretty decent progress considering that i'm self teaching myself and i'm only 3 months in. I watch a bunch of anime and media from Japan in my spare time and I can tell that my work is paying off....slightly. Im starting to pick up on words that i've learned from the book in japanese conversations now. I'm no where near literate and i'd say a 4 year has a better grasp on the language than I do, but i'm def seeing progress. Its slow. Flash cards are your friend. I have a stack that I just run through when I got a free minute.
When I finish the vocab book, I have This other book for gramer that also comes with an audio CD. I havent really messed with it yet, but it will happen eventually.
Correct translation of the phrase, but I think OP is referring to a series of books that call themselves 'はじめての日本語能力試験N〇単語'
Not the guy you're replying to but if you want to do RTK, then do one of the shorter decks. There's a lot of kanji in RTK 1 that you won't need to know for a long time, like 栓 cork, 膳 small dining table, 葛 kudzu (usually used in names), etc. Just learn those later whenever you come across them in the wild, as you will eventually see them, but they aren't helpful for beginners.
You can do the RRTK deck (contains 1250 cards) which teaches you the 1000 most common kanji and includes 250 primitives and extra kanji in order to smoothly learn, RTK order, those 1000 most common kanji. At 30 new cards per day, you can finish in just over a month. At 15 to 20 new cards, it'll take you around two months or less.
My suggestion is to also read the associated chapter in the Remember the Kanji book that matches the kanji you are learning. He explains how to do RTK and create mnemonic stories and goes over the primitives he uses. You eventually able to apply those memory-learning skills to kanji not even in RTK (as some really common kanji aren't in RTK 1 or RTK3).
There's also a shorter version, the RRTK450 deck, which contains only 450 kanji of the most common kanji.
For learning vocab, you can do any of the beginner vocab decks, after you complete RRTK or maybe halfway into RRTK. Up to you.
If you want to some easy reading practice as you learn basic vocab (around 2k words), then do the Tango N5 and N4 decks (download them from Ankiweb; just google it) which are based on the Tango books. It has the sentence in the front of the card (although you could flip them if you want), and the sentences are simple.
If you just want to quickly learn the vocab only, do the DJT Core2.3k deck, which has only the word in front (and sentence on the back). It uses a different collection of words, but they are similar.
After you finish and know around 2k words, then you can sentence mine from your immersion material (books, tv shows/anime, manga, VNs etc), searching for +1 sentences where the sentence contains one thing you don't know (usually the unknown element is a word, but it could be a new grammar concept, a new usage of a word you already know, etc).
When you come across new kanji, just learn it along with the word. No need to make a separate card for the kanji. At this point, you should be able to pick apart any new kanji on your own because you know RTK's primitive and mnemonic system.
If you have trouble learning the kanji and want to learn it separately, you can use something like the Migaku Kanji God add-on which can auto-generate kanji cards for you, based on the words you are learning.
I mainly like that add-on so it keeps track of the exact kanji I have learned (you can have it scan your decks).
Note: Some people skip RTK and go straight into vocab learning. If you have a good memory, especially visual-based memory skills, then you can try skipping it.
I personally couldn't learn that way and struggled in the beginning, so doing some RRTK helped (I did the RRTK 1250 card deck), so it depends on the type of learner you are.
Kanji no longer looked like indecipherable blobs to me and I could pick them apart and made it easier to differentiate between similar-looking kanji.
Good luck!
Tae Kim's grammar website is free.
JLPT Tango N5 - Cost about $15 (get the kindle so no shipping is needed). With modest proof of ownership, you can message me for links to the Anki deck for free.
JLPT Tango N4 - same benefits as JLPT Tango N5 book, about $15.
Remembering the Kanji - Get the kindle for about $15. With proof of ownership, you can message me for the RTK Optimized decks that takes the kanji in the book, divides them into frequency groups of 500 each, making them perfect to study in between Tango vocabulary books.
You're now at about $45. With these, you should reach N4 level equivalent (~2500 words, basic grammar, 500 kanji). Honestly from here you could spend money on a VPN and NetFlix/Disney+/Amazon Prime/etc streaming service to get the immersion you can start doing from day one. Consider M-CIA or Mass Comprehensible Immersion Approach to get the most out immersion even when your levels are still low.
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I bought the beginner package like, 5 years ago. (I'm still a beginner 😭 it's really hard to stick with this language) Before he put out all the apps and stuff. So mine is just an Anki deck.
All of the stuff in there except the sentences isn't very useful, just to get that out of the way.
The J-E sentences are pretty good. They have good audio recorded by a native speaker. However, I got about halfway through and things started getting confusing. n+1 is great when you mined the sentence yourself and you already put in work to go figure out the thing you didn't know yet - so it's more of a reminder. But n+1 cards aren't really a great medium to actually teach you grammar. Sure, it works, you start seeing patterns, but as you progress towards more complicated concepts, it get feel frustrating. The cards don't have more detailed explanations than like:
> あるらしい: have heard that there are > Note: similar to そうです
The author says to just push through when you feel frustrated, and eventually you'll get it. Sure, you can do that, but it's inefficient imo.
I ended up grabbing Genki and going and using it as a reference. And I soon after dropped jalup because I felt I could progress faster by just doing vocab on its own and using Genki for grammar. But, I might go back and go through them later to help review after I finish Genki.
Imo these would be good if they were priced at like $20-$40 per deck. Grab a deck for $40 or so that covers genki 1 and 2, and use it to practice grammar after you finished Genki. That wouldn't be a bad way to practice, if you really hated sentence mining and wanted to pay for a preset deck to get you started.
So yeah, I think it's a quality deck, but fairly inefficient to learn grammar from. Given that, it's certainly not worth the price. I agree with the other poster - 単語 series with nukemarine's deck is better and cheaper. However, it doesn't cover nearly as much grammar as jalup. That's ok, because between Genki and Tae Kim there are plenty of options there. I like Genki personally.
Also you can get the book from amazon here https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/4872179811 so you don't end up paying $30 in shipping. Assuming you're in the US.
The alpha has all the words from the book in the order they appear, but with kanji.
The omega is also kanjified, but with some redundant or overly basic words/sentences removed and slightly reordered to have a more seamless progression (i+1), as far as I can tell.
The person who made it linked their discord in some of the descriptions, if you need more specific details about the decks.
Edit: The decks are based on the はじめての日本語能力試験 N5単語1000 series of books. It presents vocabulary through increasingly complex sentences that builds off of what you've already learned. Many users here have made flashcard decks based on the series and a few even share them with others.
Reddit post about the books.
Wow I got really rambly in this response, sorry zaxmq!
It's been going quite well, I recently had to "restart" my process due to grinding genki and other grammer just caused me to burn out. I went and learned rough meanings of around 1000 Kanji using Heising's RTK method and am currently sentence mining + the Tango N5 book suggested by the MIA group for vocab/sentence flash cards. + the vocab I already knew through Genki and what little Tae Kim I looked through before I moved away from it (great resource, but it never stuck with me)
Current day study schedule.
Pretty constant japanese listening - working from home lets me just turn on a podcast while working. I've noticed my ability to pick out learned phrases and vocab is improving, but it's beyond my ability to understand a full conversation, + it's a good motivater for me to remind myself that I can hear and understand more than I could one month ago. If not listening to something while working is possible, I would recommend listening to something while walking or doing chores, even if you have listened to japanese before in mass, (I watched a lot of anime gorwing up, and thought I could "hear" japanese fine I just couldn't understand the words.) I was proven very wrong as I listened to the language without subtitles or external distraction. The more I listen the more clear the actual language gets, each word stands out, phrases reappear that I know I had heard before but never took mental note of before. every step of this process has proven various things to me that have been gamechanging in my day to day thought process. it also is helping me gage my own ability in preperation for something called The Dunning Kruger Effect I'm extremly paranoid for lack of a better word of burning out and taking another "break" from learning. So critically listening to natural conversations and understanding that "no I only understand 10% or 30% of this conversation and I'm not the language God I think I am when I nail all my flash cards that day." really helps to keep me grounded in my current level of understanding and prevents me from trying to jump into a novel or otherwise and being extremely discouraged at just how little I actually know. This was illustrated very well to me in the beginning of a post on this sub recently, Gladily they powered through that first struggle and it didn't let it stop them but I feel it's an very important thing to watch for.
Anki - This is about a given in this sub lol. I currently have three decks I do a day, the Tango deck I described above, "discovered vocab" (Usually gathered from graded readers or something I've heard/seen while studying.) and the Genki deck, I seperated the vocab by the chapter it appears and study only the chapters I know. (I should note that some vocab clearly overlapse bewteen Genki and the Tango book once I finish Genki 1 and Tango I expect I should know around 1200-1400 words. 544 in genki 1 plus 1100 in Tango)
Some Grammer - I don't prioritize this at the moment (I spend around 25% of my study time on this) and this is the part that is VERY dependent on you as a learner. I will work through a genki chapter a week - 2 weeks (roughly) and make sure I have a passing knowledge of the points in the chapter. I'll work through the exercises and revisit them throughout the week the make sure the points stuck well enough to continue in the book without becomeing too frustrated.
I've had to limit this due to me easily burning out when I'm just grinding workbooks or something similar. I wouldn't skip this if I went back and started over but I would change my mindset going in. When I started I felt like needed to MASTER every section before I moved on, but as I've continued and skimmed over some sections that caused problems in the past I've noticed with seeing/hearing them more they become more engrained and I don't need to really grind out page after page of practice, only realy execption to this so far is verb conjugations. This was a difficult idea for me for some reason and I really don't regret spending extra time practicing this. This website was a amazing help to constantly see new words (I could have made flash cards with these as I practiced I suppose but I feel that would have been overwhelming) and keep it more interesting than just having a list off genki and just memorizing them, I felt it was more important to understand the rule more than what felt like memorizing a chart. This strategy is also formed from listening to Steven Krashen and Steven Kaufman (who is involved with LingQ which I've not used) who have described grammer as a language editor, it's used to insure your sentences are correct, but when you are speaking you are not thinking about grammer rules before you speak. so while it's important to know obviously, it's not required for you to know grammer rules in order to understand language. Examples I've seen given is the english rules of the order of adjectives. I couldn't tell you this rule if my life depended on it. But it's a rule I follow when speaking and writing without knowing it. Another example is children learning (This is controversial I know, not everyone thinks adults learn language the same as children.) They havent been told how a language works before they are able to speak it, they learn the "feel" of the language and begin speaking simple sentences. without any training, outside of maybe their parents reading them a picture book.
Graded readers - if I'm feeling up for it (read if I'm not busy or just need a break from study for an afternoon). generally the free readers on tadoku, refer to the first comment on this post for a really nice pdf someone compiled of all the free readers. These are a great resource to find more vocab I've found and a catch to self-test my reading ability and see what I would benefit from revisiting. I'm planning to continue until I'm able to roughly read NHK Easy News and I'll grab vocab and grammer points from there as well. Once I can read NHK easily I'll find the next step up from there.
Speaking - This I will admit I am not working on as much as most might. I generally read my flashcards aloud and this is about it. This was something that I adpoted from the Steven Krashen input theory, I'm planning to input until output is possible, I'm 100% not saying that speaking early with practice partners is bad or anything like that, but speaking is not a key goal for me in the "near" future so I'm able to put it on the backburner for the time being while I work on building my language knowledge. and once it becomes more important to me I'll move it up in my priorities.
When I look on Amazon.com I see a few copies in stock that can ship with prime. Why can't Amazon ship to you?
https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Vocabulary-Words-Language-Proficiency/dp/4872179811/
Try the Tango N5 and N4 vocab books.
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