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I was looking for a similar scale a couple years back for making e-juice. The issue that I had with local places is that most scales only display 1 decimal place (when weighing in grams), you need two. Also any scales I found locally had very limited weight capacity at that sensitivity level.
I know you are looking locally, but the one I settled on was from Amazon.
Thing works like a champ! It does not weigh directly in mg but will weigh in grams with two decimal places.
nic river has a pretty great starter kit, but since you seem like you are already mixing I would suggest looking into mixing by weight rather than mixing by volume.
the lb-501 is probably the most popular. good capacity for large batches, but still accurate down to .01 g's. You can mix right in the bottle and cut out a lot of other steps.
Buy this scale.
And buy 100mg/ml nicotine salts. That will make it very simple to mix.
And use a calculator to calculate your ratios. You can use one on alltheflavors.com, e-liquid-recipes.com, or an app like VapeTool. Just enter the strength of your nic salts (recommend 100mg/ml for simplicity and round numbers), and the desired end ratio (i.e. 60% vg 40% pg for a pod system), and it will tell you, in grams, how to mix your juice.
From there just put the empty bottle on the scale, hit tare, add your nic salts until you reach the grams in the recipe, hit tare, add the VG until you reach the grams for that ingredient, and you're done. Flavors would be done the same way if you ever want to try it.
If you spend ~80$ on supplies, bottles, and a scale, you will probably be set for months, which is dwarfed by what you'd have spent on retail juice or pods, and that savings will only become greater over time. It's worth it!
I have this one that I bought for kitchen stuff and making vape juice, it is on year 4 of service and I am rough on things. There are lots of cheaper ones but I can for sure vouch for the one linked.
Sheng cakes are so all over the place that the first time I am tasting something I want to be sure I am accurate with my measurement. Helps me gauge how good something is at a given price point.
This AWS LB-501 is a great scale, accurate to 0.01g/0.001oz, is powered via batteries or AC adapter, and comes with calibration weights. I use mine for e-liquid recipes, weighing hops for homebrewing, and (ahem) other herbal items closely realated to hops. No shill, just a satisfied end user.
Thanks all for the advice
As far as I can tell there's no airflow, it's on a hard surface, but the calibration might be wrong (but again I wouldn't have thought that would make the scale go up or down).
I may have to bite the bullet and buy the AWS
This is the best scale I've ever owned, and I've owned and lost a lot. I highly recommend it. It even has a backlight, you know if you ever want to weigh something in the dark. [link]
Edit: comes with calibration weights and a 10 year warranty.
Edit2: most cheap ones will weigh .01 increments, but getting them to register a change is usually frustrating. The one I linked will register the difference from just a drop.
Yeah I was starting out and browsing a site and ordered stuff, and syringes seemed straight forward. It was awful, so get a scale. A scale that plugs in and does grams to 2 decimal places.
The AWS LB501 is (was?) a popular recommendation, because cheap, on amazon, and very adequate. It's sensitive enough that if you exhale onto it it'll register, or if you have windows open and the breeze changes pressure in the room. Just needs calliberation sometimes and the top cover flap is stupid. Anyway look around regarding scales.
I went for the AWS 501 but it was 10 dollars cheaper when I bought it. It is the recommended pick over on /r/diy_ejuice. Half of why I got it is so I can conceivably make well more than a 120ml bottle at a time if I choose to do so.
I think the one you linked is identical to what DJLSB uses for his mod weights. Should be fine.
I use the LB-501, you could find a DC adapter with the same specs with AU prongs, or just get a cheap prong adapter, the DC adapter it comes with accepts 100-240v. If you get the AW LB-501, you have to make sure to get the one that does 500g, not the 1000g, not the 3000g. This on Amazon is around 64 AUD with shipping, so it says: [link]
Hey man, I've been there. Best advice is to got alltheflavors.com and search the top recipes, figure out which you would like to vape and purchase the flavors for each recipe. When it comes to pg/VG it's whatever you prefer, store brands are usually 70% VG and 30% PG. With nic, I started at 100mg and still use it. Best scale to buy is this one. American Weigh Scales LB-501 Digital Kitchen Scale [link]
When you look up the recipes u like and click on each flavor, there will be a link to where u can purchase.
I am typing this on my mobile, excuse any typos.
Just buy a scale! Your making this way to difficult! Trust me I done went down that road, just get this... It will change your life lol
American Weigh Scales LB-501 Digital Kitchen Scale [link]
As far as the scale goes, I would pick up the American Weigh Scales LB-501 Digital Kitchen Scale from Amazon. It is a bit more, but worth it.
That's just one scale, not a set. Regardless, be careful of the auto-off feature. I think one of the reviews said that the auto-off happens after two minutes of no use.
Also, you might want some calibration weights to ensure that it is measuring properly. This is the scale most of us have and it comes with calibration weights and the auto-off function is disabled when plugged in. If you can grab that scale, I can guarantee you'll be set.
Mix each flavor up by themselves (look for the average percentage they are used at) at your preferred vg/pg ratio and nicotine. Shake and vape them, take notes, then let them steep. Find some popular recipes on here that you can make with the flavors you purchased and mix them up.
Also, if you want to make your life ten times easier, buy a scale.
The link in the guide does go to a page with options, [here](www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-Scales-LB-501-Digital/dp/B005UGBG20/). 500g, 1kg, and 3kg. As I'm sure you're aware, the 1 & 3 kg versions have a 0.1g resolution.
^^And ^^I ^^have ^^no ^^idea ^^why ^^the ^^link ^^is ^^displaying ^^that ^^way. ^^:(
American Weigh Scales LB-501 Digital Kitchen Scale is highly recommended.
Drops also vary in size depending on the bottle spouts. CAP bottles have big drops, FA bottles have small drops.
AWS LB-501. $25. 500 g capacity. Don't bother with anything cheaper. It can mix up to ~360 mL of high VG juice, and has no shut-off when plugged in and a generous 2-minute shutoff on batteries. [link]
This scale (the 500g model) is highly recommended around the electronic cigarette community for measure very small amounts (drops or grams) of liquid in e-juice production. It measures to the hundreths for grams, in my experience is extremely accurate, and it comes with two 200g weights so you can verify it's accuracy.
I've ended up primarily using it for macro counting for my meal preps.
Edit: And that's why you read the post text and not just the title. Sorry, I was overly excited to offer my recommendation.
I played with various kits for a few years but didn't actually make flavors I liked until I bought the setup I have now. I recommend you buy these:
This scale. Worth every penny. Or any scale that measures down to a hundredth of a gram, but this one is nice as it doesn't have auto shut-off. [link]
Maybe a few pipettes or syringes.
Get your VG, PG and nicotine from a trusted source.
For flavors, go find a few recipes you like and order those flavors. I found a bunch of TFA only recipes since they're very cheap, shipping was very cheap, and it was nice only having to get concentrates from one website. And I don't know if other vendors do this, but TFA sends you these cute little pipettes (I think they look like little sperms) with every order.
How good a scale do I need? This one costs me about $52 on amazon.ca, can I get away with a cheaper scale or should I stay away from ones with lesser quality?
Hey /u/Xexist, this is the scale I picked up and so far am VERY happy with...[link]
I saw it referenced in several posts and on several sites before I bought it and I am so glad I did! After mixing my first few batches with a syringe, this thing is a time-saving god-send. :)
The most popular scale and as for flavours there is a section in the side bar "My First Order" use that as a basis.
Using syringes is definitely fine for getting started, but take my advice, get yourself a scale to measure by weight if you can afford it...it's much easier than dealing with syringes and more accurate as well.
Here's the one I ordered from Amazon: [link]
This one has everything you need and is one of if not the most recommended on /r/DIY_eJuice
Comes with calibration weights, has a very long auto off (none if you plug it in) and does 0.01 accuracy.
I bought this scale: LB-501
I took the batteries out and only use the AC adapter to power it. I too had a problem with a nearby outlet as the supplied cord is pretty short. I just got a household extension cord and ran to the outlet on the adjoining wall. Gave me the flexibility to get the scale in the most convenient spot for me.
It is my understanding that this scale has a 10-minute auto shut-off when using battery mode, but it is disabled when using AC power. I didn't verify that... but mine didn't shut off while I was mixing.
Edit: Gotta' give credit where credit is due... It was the recommendation of /U/Botboy141 that caused me to purchase the above scale specifically because of the longer / nonexistent auto shut-off feature.
Again... I can't take the credit for this specific scale. That goes to u/Botboy141. He recommended this specific unit because of the longer auto-shutoff feature that helps when you're mixing.
Which scale did you get? I got the recommended one from the guide /u/Maddawg29501 posted and it works great. [link]
Mixing is easy. I just took the weights from the juice calculator and added items in this order; flavor, nic, pg, vg. You press the tare button after each item to set it back to 0.00. When done just toss the pipette, cap your juice, and shake the hell out of it.
Something I need to get is clear condiment bottles to dispense the PG and VG. Adding 8 ml of VG with a disposable pipette is a pain in the ass.
I got the American Weigh Scales LB-501 Digital Kitchen Scale from Amazon.com (rather then amazon.co.uk) and they came in at under £35 with shipping.
I wouldn't suggest that scale as it only goes to 0.1 you really need at minimum a 0.01 scale to get a accuracy good enough for sub 100ml mixes. [link] thats the most common one you'll find recommend at /r/DIY_eJuice and what I personally use. Any 0.01 scale will work, this one just has a incredibly long auto off on battery and no auto off on AC power.
I use the AWS LB-501 it's 500g x .01g I like being able to go up to 500g becasue I usually mix 200ml into glass jars. No auto shut off, comes with an ac adapter and calibration weights.
As many others have said, get a scale, I mixed for several months using syringes and then switched to mixing by weight. It is much faster, more accurate and much less clean up. I highly recommend getting a scale that is sensitive to .01g and either has no auto-shut off or one that can be disabled. Here is the one that I use. It uses batteries or a plug in adapter that comes with it. Also comes with calibration weights to make sure its accurate.
What you might think of doing is purchasing your own scale. That way you can start measuring by weight. it actually makes thins a lot easier to get an accurate measurement when mixing juices. then you dont need to worry about how much the bottle weighs cause you can always zero the scale after you put it on.
Here is the scale i use. My suggestion is to get the 1000g one if you are ever thinking of mixing in higher quantities. I actually out grew the 500g version. [link]
Here is the scale I use for my juice ($33), and I love it. It does up to 500 grams, about 400ml in volume (Pure VG weight).
The reasons I think its best are:
It goes to a hundredth gram for very fine measurements.
It comes with a DC power supply so it will never shut down on you in the middle of a mix, potentially ruining what your working on.
I found it through an earlier post and couldn't see any better options in the price range online. I use this with some glass/rubber droppers i bought at a labware store in my area. I always go max vg and using weight means i just pour, no more constantly cleaning syringes, just the droppers for flavorings.
Yep, just like that! In particular, this one: [link]
This is the particular model that a lot of us around here are using. It does everything we need it do, and it does it well, for right around $30
Definately .01g. Auto shut off doesnt matter much. Once you hit the tare button it resets the timer anyways. Atleast it does on mine. I have this one
The 1 mL pipettes I have are graduated by .25 mL increments. You could eyeball .125 mL (1/8 mL) increments.
If you are going to stick with DIY I would recommend mixing by weight. In my opinion its much easier and more accurate.
This scale is only $30 and does 1/100ths of a gram.
This is what I have. It does the job quite nicely. No drawbacks I can think of. I lasted a week with syringes and the endless frustration of cleaning and inaccurate measurements before I got the scale.
He probably got a small vial of nic and 250ml or so of PG&VG.
Nude Nic is HIGHLY recommended, it's all I use. I started w/ Wizard Labs nic and had a harsh peppery taste. None of that w/ NN.
I recommend skipping syringes and grabbing a decent scale and just doing it by weight. This scale weighs to two decimal places, has a 5 minute auto-off (60 seconds is TERRIBLE) and is very robust.
Yeah, if you can wait a couple days for delivery then this one from Amazon is the cat's fucking balls:
I bought it to weigh pipes I'm selling and got this one that measures to hundredths of a gram to mix my DIY ejuice. I'm really impressed with it.
The head shop ones are toys in comparison.
Well... I will tell you what I did... but you DON'T want to do what I did.
First I got a starter kit from [link]
Then I got a starter kit from [link]
Now... Don't get me wrong. I don't regret either of these purchases, because it was instructional for me, but if I could do things over I would do it differently.
If I could do things over, I would start here:
I would buy this scale:
I would buy some beakers similar to these, and depending on how much juice you want to mix at any certain point:
I would get a fairly decent supply of nicotine 100mg from any reputable source, two of which I have already listed here...
You're going to want a LARGE supply of Vegetable Glycerin... This is because straight VG will usually make up 70% of your mix, with all of the rest of the stuff (nicotine and flavoring) being based in PG. But don't worry. The stuff is cheap. Start with a gallon.
You can get a 500ml bottle of Propylene Glycol (PG) for pretty cheap, and it will last a long time because it is usually a small part of recipes and is used to bring you up to a 70/30 VG/PG mix most of the time.
Then I would look to the recipe sites for recipes you want to try.
One of the main ones is [link] but there are several good ones that can be found easily with Google.
This will give you an idea of which flavor concentrates you want to buy to start. There are several reputable sites for this.
/r/DIY_eJuice will have many listed.
You'll need bottles. Most people seem to use Gorilla bottles (for retail juice, too) and those are the ones I prefer. I recommend getting some 120ml bottles and maybe some 30mls.
The 120ml bottles come in handy because they can also be used for VG and PG and it makes it easier to measure the right amounts, as opposed to the larger bottles they usually come packaged in. I also use these for my main juice bottles for recipes that are established favorites.
Because I have friends that vape, and I was experimenting with several different recipes, I also bought a bunch of 10ml bottles, so I could hand out samples without wasting a ton of juice.
Once you're setup with the main supplies, it becomes incredibly easy to put a mix together and very cheap to get reusable materials.
Hope this helps!
you want an LB-501, $30 on amazon.
it's kind of the go-to scale around here.
also, you want some smaller bottles. a scale isn't going to fix your large bottle-small syringe issue. you'll still use syringes to mix, you just do it on the scale for precision, so you don't need to try to read the lil 'ML' markers on the syringes.
I bought a 3" funnel and some 120ml bottles. i pour my pg and vg into their own 120's using the funnel, and then fill syringes from the 120s for mixing. get a nice lil 60ml brown Boston round bottle for your nicotine, keeps the sun out.
edit: here [link] my setup
This is the one I have. Works pretty well, but it's not portable.
Oops - I stand corrected - you're right.
Is this where I'm supposed to insert the obligatory link to the American Weigh Scales LB-501? grin
Definitely read the FAQ, but I'm bored so here's a link to everything you need for the best prices I'm aware of. Don't buy "DIY kits", they will never be enough.
LB-501 scale (Amazon)
1 Gallon VG (Amazon)
1 Gallon PG (Amazon)
60ml bottles (BullCityFlavors)
3ml Pipettes (BullCityFlavors, for fixing mistakes)
Wash bottle (Amazon, for dispensing PG; VG will not work as it's too thick)
Ketchup bottles (Amazon, for dispensing VG)
Flavors (BullCityFlavors will give you the widest variety for the lowest prices)
Flavor organizer (Amazon, holds 65 30ml flavor bottles)
Affordable desk that will fit two of those organizers on both sides with plenty room in between to work in (Amazon)
Labels in case you wanted to be fancy (Amazon)
And for nicotine, you have two main choices that consistently do well. Carolina Xtract's Supercritical Nicotine is the best, period, but it has a premium pricetag. The cheaper but still good option is Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers. Can't link to nicotine due to the rules.
Download eJuice Me Up for calculating recipes into grams per ingredient. It may look like it's from the 90s but I guarantee you it will be the best recipe calculator you will ever use. Just make sure you select 100mg/L.
As for the recipes themselves, your best resources are this subreddit and AllTheFlavors.
This is one of the most popular ones for DIY. Looks like it's out of stock at Amazon for a reasonable price. It should be around $20-25
i bought this one for mixing but i also use it for coffee. [link]
To follow up, here’s something’s I grabbed to get started with mixing.
American Weigh Scales LB-501...
This scale has worked amazingly. I don’t think I’ve had to change the batteries yet. Just make sure you calibrate it when you get it and always make sure it’s set to grams when you start mixing.
These bottles work great with storing premix. I buy it buy the gallon, so four of these bottle will hold that. Keeps the nicotine fresh. Also be sure to store in a cool dark place.
510 Central Boston Round LDPE... [link]
These bottles are good priced and fairly leak resistant. My pre mix is 10/90 pg/vg, since the flavoring is all pg based. Anything with a smaller nozzle is a huge pain to get out so the wider nozzle helps here. It can be a bit tricky depending on your tank. Most newish ones seem have a big enough hole though.
Anymore questions feel free to ask! You found the right place. Everything I know about DIY I learned off this subreddit. Good luck!
Don't order your flavors from Vapewild, order from a reseller that has flavors from a huge number of manufacturers for a much cheaper price. I use Bull City Flavors.
First step is to pick out a few recipes that look really good to you. Good practice would be to check All The Flavors and sort by rating.
Then order each individual flavor from BCF. Idk how new you are, but some other things you might consider getting as well:
LB-501 scale for mixing by weight (easiest way to mix)
Condiment bottles (makes pouring PG and VG much easier)
Absolutely man. First off for any DIY related questions check out /r/DIY_ejuice.
For my nicotine I go through [link]
I order 100mg/ml 100%vg nicotine in a 120ml bottle, I keep it in the box in my freezer to preserve quality. You have to be incredibly careful with this shit because a few drops on your skin can make you sick and too much can kill you. So nitrile gloves are a must.
For my flavorings I go through [link]
They have pretty reasonable prices on VG, PG, Bottles, and Flavors.
I also live in New York and they ship from North Carolina so I get my packages within about 2 to 3 days, they're awesome.
For my recipes I use [link] as well as [link] and the calculator I use when its time to mix is [link]
That should be pretty much everything you need to know as far as resources go. Definitely look into how to actually mix properly as you're gonna want to get a scale too. Mixing by weight is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR superior to mixing by volume, so you're gonna wanna get a decent digital scale. I use this guy right here, it works fantastic. [link]
If you have any questions about DIY at all feel free to hit me up or check out /r/DIY_ejuice
Heres an example of the ejuice calculator all set up to mix by weight.
You can get one off Amazon easy. [link]
$20 and prime.
I haven't tried Dewberry Cream or Strawberry Milk, but there are MYRIAD versions of fruit+cream DIY recipes out there, and most don't suck! (LOL!!)
Here's my recommendations for starting-The fact that you've got Amazon Prime helps in the shipping costs! First, head over to the DIY site of your choice. There's a TON of info over in the sidebar at /r/DIY_e_Juice! Here's the beginner's guide to get you started. If you'd like the TL;DR version, here it is:
Go to Amazon, buy these. SCALE, VG (I prefer to buy it by the gallon, but since you're first starting it's your choice), PG
While you're at Amazon, you might want to pick up some bottles. I really like LDPE bottles because they are easy for me to squeeze. If those are the kind you are used to, I recommend 510 Central Their bottles are sturdy, yet squeezable, hold up to multiple washes, available in sizes ranging from 10 ml to 120 ml and are Prime eligible. I really like their 60 ml-enough juice to get you through a few days, yet pocket or bag friendly. Smaller bottles are great for trying new recipes-I like 30 ml bottles for that. It gives you enough juice to decide whether you like it or not without leaving completely jonesing for more! If glass or PET bottles are more your speed, there should be some listed under the "Frequently Bought Together" slides of any of the above linked items.
While not absolutely necessary, I recommend getting two condiment style bottles for dispensing the VG and PG into whatever bottle style you choose. I actually bought mine at Michael's in their cake/candy decorating isle. They were cheaper there, and they're even less expensive at WalMart.
Once you've gotten these items ordered, go have a look at some recipes either at /r/DIY_e_Juice, alltheflavors.com or e-liquid-recipes.com Here's a Unicorn Milk clone that seems right up your alley. find two or three more recipes that sound good and don't take a whole helluva lot of flavor concentrates, then order up the concentrates for those recipes only. It's tempting to buy a slew of concentrates that sound good. Some might be winners, some less so. The thing you don't want is a bunch of concentrates that you never do anything with!(This was the mistake I made-I now have a bunch of concentrates I don't use and are going bad) When you order concentrates, stick with the small bottles to start. This will allow you to make plenty of juice while you're getting your feet wet.
Sorry it took so long to answer you-I think I've covered everything. If I haven't, shoot me a PM and I'll apologize profusely while covering whatever base I missed!
You'll have to spend a hair over $30 USD.
Most cheaper scales are indeed crap.
I'm looking at getting this scale: [link]
And just taring every time I add a new liquid
Would I have an easier time if I made 2 50 mg solutions at 2mg per ml do you think? Also would this scale be accurate enough [link]
It's a big one but the American Weigh LB501 is a really nice scale, so nice I have 2 of them (one for DIY e juice and the other for kratom). They can run on AC or batteries and it comes with a nice big bowl you can weigh in without making a mess. If you want cheaper I'd get this one. I use one of those for a backup when I don't feel like pulling the big one out.
get this one and none other
this should be in the new mixer thread buddy
Basically like everyone else said get a scale, cleaning syringes after everytime you make juice just sucks, the American weigh scale LB 501 is most often reccomended for mixing juice, it's an awesome scale for diy juice purposes. Also if you need help getting started, drop by /r/DIY_eJuice, the sidebar has an awesome beginers guide that should answer most of your questions. You're also really gonna want a juice calculator to make sure you get proper nic/flavour/pg/vg ratios, the one I linked calculates in MLs, by weight and also by drops from your dropper bottes, though drops are not terribly accurate, it's good enough until you get a scale. Honestly don't even bother with syringes, they really are a pain.
Bummer :/ It works for big batches and simple recipes at least, but you can't really add 1% to a 10 ml bottle with any accuracy at all. People usually recommend this scale.
It's great for just about everything in my opinion
These have made my PG and VG dispensing a breeze. You can use your ~~drug~~ kitchen scale as long as it measures down to 0.01g :) if it has the same specs as what I use you'll be golden.
So I am mixing by weight, and I still had a hard time with it.
For instance I was makin 10ml of rhodonite.
Trying to measure the torrone at .03g or the 7 other flavors that range from .1g to .2g was just really tricky. Sometimes 3 drops put me anywhere between .7 and .12 grams and while I was in the ballpark with most, every one was off by some small amount.
What advice would you give to make it easier? Am I just making too little of a batch? I bought a shit ton of 10ml bottles becuase I wanted to experiment and figure out what I like/don't.
I have this scale and while it works, the fact that it takes a second or two to recalibrate after adding a miniscule amount of liquid just means that sometimes I overdrop without realizing it.
step 1: go get this scale
step 2: be thankful that you don't need to mix with syringes anymore.
> AWS LB-501
Yeah. I make big 6 month batches for my wife
This is what everyone uses and it goes to 500g. They also have 1000g and 3000g models but I just use the 500
This one has a higher capacity, with the same resolution. A little more expensive though.
It's higher capacity brother is only like $3 more.
You want this scale, or equivalent:
Pipettes are used to measure by weight as they aren't very good for measureing out by volume, which you're trying to do.
A lot of people use this one as it doesn't have a auto off feature and comes with weights
I personally use this one as it does get the job done but doesn't come with calibration weights and has a auto two minute off feature.
Here's a guide to mixing by weight. It's stupid easy.
Here is the desktop version of your link
This scale is like the universally recommended scale over on diy_ejuice.
This is the one I bought, and see most often reccomended.
Here is Amazon.com link
.01 is fine :)
Go ahead and buy this scale. It'll make your mix more accurate giving better results.
Measuring by weight is much more accurate, and most people agree with me on this.
You'll need a scale that measures to 0.01g accuracy though. I have this one.
How much juice do you go through per week/month/year? How much will you spend collectively to buy your next 500mL of juice? Because you can get enough DIY gear to make 500ml of 3mg juice for ~$70. I've been vaping for a few years, just started DIY at the beginning of this year. My only regret is that I didn't start sooner and save literally thousands of dollars.
$2 100mg/mL 15ml sample.
$3.75 PG/VG/Nic bottles
$12 90mL flavoring of your choice (3x30ml)
= $58.60 plus tax/shipping. Find recipes on ELR, buy the flavorings for it, clean as many old bottles of finished juice you have laying around, mix by weight, done.
You could take a recipe like this one but replace the TPA Sweet Cream with TPA Vanilla Beam Ice Cream, one of my favorite cream bases.
In reality I wouldn't suggest buying supplies to make 500mL of one recipe that you're not sure you like, nor a sample size NIC. So you might spend $100 total including a few more flavorings, 250mL nicotine and 1 liter of VG. But from that point forward you'll be spending pennies per mL.
All that said - I had the exact same thought you did for years, and only took the jump after my girlfriend got me a kit for Christmas, so I understand the hesitance, but I'll never buy a bottle of juice again!
I highly recommend using a scale over syringes. Mixing by weights really cuts down on the work.
I bought this scale It works good, but I have since seen people recommend this scale and it looks pretty solid.
American Scales LB-501 from Amazon.
Is this scale what I should be getting or is it overkill? Would any cheap scale do?
That is absolutely the #1 rule and the most important too. When I started my research I didn't bother what the big bad sidebar said I thought I picked up enough knowledge here and there and was pretty confident of what I was going to do. So I was looking into beakers and shit but then....... the heavens opened up and it's all about measuring it in grams with a scale as it will make life SO much easier it's not even funny: [link] --- you can check ebay, but that's the scale I'm positive that the majority use and here's a video of it too: [link]
The next step is to go to e-liquid-rec and go into your preferences and set it by weight and it's game on now.
And if you still don't get it do the EXACT opposite of what this 18 year old tattooed idiot does as he thinks he's hot shit because he can make his own juice: HOW TO: MAKING DIY E JUICE LIKE A BOSS!!!! - [link] --- Yeah let's go ahead and contaminate everything and he doesn't even notice it or just that stupid. However like his description says, he can make juice like a BOSS!!!!!! So maybe we're all wrong and he's just doing it the right way.
Just read about your method OP... I'd seriously have to consider suicide if I had to mix like that! ;)
Get yourself this SCALE as recommended by Botboy141 and quickly learn to mix my weight. It's a life changing event! Trust me on this!
I keep my VG in a big squeeze bottle I purchased at Walmart. Like the kind you see mustard or ketchup in at a summer picnic or in some diners. I purchase 90% of my flavors in squeeze bottles from Bull City Vapor and have small fully disposable plastic pipettes for the few flavors I can't get in squeeze bottles.
I'll mix 3 30ml bottles inside of 10 minutes and have exactly ZERO clean up!
H/T to /u/bigbadblyons for the excellent beginner's guide to buying:
Our first stop will be Amazon.com
Next stop is Bull City Vapor
(Beeznote: Personally I am happy with Liquid Barn's nicotine, which is lower cost but still good quality. It might also be cheaper to get your VG and PG there with their 40% off sale this weekend. I get their NicSelect, which is sourced from India. Their USA Liquid brand is, obviously, sourced in the US. Don't buy your nicotine in 100% VG until you are comfortable with mixing and how to prevent nicotine hot spots.)
they should be accurate, but this is the one I just got comes with weights too.
Was recommended here before
[link] $26.01 and in stock.
Botboy141 Guide to Mixing By Weight in the sidebar recommends American Weigh Scales LB-501 Digital Kitchen Scale from Amazon. I have it and like it a lot.
I use JuiceCalculator, so my answers are geared toward that:
1) Nic comes in PG or VG, the calculator will take that into account (since you'll tell it which one it is in when you create it as an ingredient). You just set your target PG/VG/Nic and it does the calculations.
2) You can use solid flavors, or mix similar or complimentary flavors. Most of my juices are just one flavor, they hit the spot for me.
2.5) If a recipe calls for it, you can try it, or you can ignore it and see how it comes out.
3) Too much flavoring will actually kill the flavor. You just have to play with it until you find what you like.
Final) Make a batch, around 10ml, and drip a little right away and see how you like it. Then let it sit for a week, and try it again. Then another week. Then another. Take notes. Some flavors don't really change (fruits it seems), others can change a lot (tobaccos for me).
Last) Don't buy that kit, you won't use most of it if just making for yourself (or at least, I never would). You'll never need beakers unless making multiple bottles full of the same thing, and then you could just mix right into multiple bottles. You'll never use graduated cylinders, unless you want to weigh flavorings, and then you just need one. Syringes are a pain in the ass, pipettes are cheap as hell and easier.
Here's what I would recommend:
Where are you getting it from? Amazon has it for $26
Here you go.
First off, +1 for /u/silenttd's suggestions. Link to /u/Botboy141's guide to mixing by weight. It'll save you a lot of time and effort. Here's my recommendations for a few supplies:
You don't need any of that glass equipment, you don't syringes, you just need PG, VG, nic (and the appropriate squeeze or dropper bottles to dispense these), flavorings, and the stuff I listed above. Then you can go nuts! Trust me, it's so much faster. I'd also recommend buying the same quantity of PG as you do VG.
Using any digital scale with a 0.01 gram resolution like this one or this one.
Things I wish I had done when starting out:
ELR has pages for each flavor, which includes specific gravity (g/ml) and average/mean % used for each flavor. Invaluable information.
Just go here and search for whatever flavoring you are wanting to use. Click on its name, and on the flavor's page there is a place that shows the g/ml and average/mean %'s.
Here's an example using Capella's Chocolate Glazed Doughnut.
They make an American Weigh 500 X .01g as well. It's about $40, price fluctuates.
Edit: $29 right now. [link]
as some one who wasted money on a bunch of scales before, THIS is all you need, trust me!
IMO I would ditch the syringes and needles and just go with a scale. Mixing by weight is alot simpler IMO. You have 25 bucks there in syringes. A good scale is around 30. I see you have flavorings from wizardlabs and from what I remember their 8ml bottles do not have dropper cape (I could be wrong as I havent ordered from them in a long time). You could get a pack of 100 Pipettes for cheap to get the flavors out that way.
This one: [link]
It's the one that everyone around here recommends, and it's worked great for me!
Scale (Most popular on this sub) and this guide.
A Good Ejuice Calculator <-- My Favorite. Other's listed on sidebar.
Something to mix the juice in. I prefer Glass Beakers, but any clean/sterile mixing container will probably do.
Pipettes for transferring nicotine and flavoring that come w/o a drip cap.
Bottles to store said juice. Many options here. Great bottles can be found on Ebay, Amazon, or DIY Juice stores (Located on sidebar). I personally buy glass bottles from ebay.
Something to mix said juice. I personally use a Milk Frother to quickly stir it (Few seconds). Other people use Magnetic stirrers or Ultrasonic Cleaners; some just shake. Everyone has their own opinion on how juice should be mixed/steeped.
For Safety supplies you could grab some nitrile gloves if your paranoid or clumsy. I personally don't use gloves transferring nic. I am just really careful not to spill any on me.
That pretty much covers the equipment end. Nic,VG,PG,Flavorings are just too complicated to list out and everyone has their faves. Of course all this information and more is located on the Sidebar and should be read before you attempt to DIY.
Hit up amazon and grab the LB-501 scale. It is what I use and it has worked well for me. As far as hot plate/magnetic stirrer I have no idea. If your just starting out I recommend skipping the hotplate/stirrer and just grabbing a cheap Milk Frother. After you froth up your juice you can bottle it and set it in a entertainment cabinet or someplace that stays reasonably warm. Just trying to save you a bit of cash. If your going pro I am sure amazon has hotplate/stirrer's and if not I know Ebay does.
This seems to be the most popular scale [link] but its gone up in recent days from ~34 bucks to 44.
I was looking at this one personally [link]
It has a 2 minute auto shutoff which is the only thing that worries me, but would it take 2 minutes to add one ingredient? :P
This is the last one I was considering, but this one is into cheap-ass territory [link]
worth every penny imo. i can mix some complex shit in 2 minutes now.
Most of the stuff is from a recent measure by weight guide posted here, here's the amazon link. [link]
ATTENTION NEW DIYERS
Please listen to my story.
I, like you all, started measuring drops. I got each flavoring in it's own dropper bottle, so just counted drops straight from each individual bottle. It was easy. I created more than 15 recipes that were pretty good, but I found the consistency sadly lacking. It was a little frustrating to make 2 bottles of banana pudding and have each bottle taste different, but I lived with it for awhile.
Eventually, I tired of counting 120 drops of a single flavor into a 30ml bottle, and after reading all the more experienced mixers on this forum (and others) talk about how easy and quickly they made juice by weight, I decided to take the plunge and ordered this AWS LB-501 scale, (on sale for $29.99 right now).
Using this scale was now causing me a problem. My banana pudding now tasted like plastic. NONE OF MY RECIPES WORKED ANYMORE. Everything was way overflavored. All my recipes called for 20%+ flavoring. I had to go back to the drawing board with Every. Single. One. The problem was twofold. First - every dropper tip is a little different, so the same flavor with two different tips gets slightly different results. Second, the surface tension of each flavor is different, so different flavors produced different drop sizes. TPA Ripe Banana, for example, has lower than average surface tension, so drop sizes are smaller. On the other end is VG, where drop sizes are huge. By measuring by weight, you eliminate the inaccuracy of your individual bottles or syringes, ultimately producing a superior, easily replicated juice.
That was 4 weeks ago. Now I can whip up a 10ml bottle in under 10 minutes. I no longer tediously count drops, I just try and hit my targets. Things are far more consistent, quicker and easier than ever now. Start mixing by weight as soon as possible. You won't regret it!
I use this one:
It's on sale right now which is nice.
Mixing by weight. You can mix faster & with less clean up. I just bought one on amazon [link] . Read this to learn more [link]
Startup cost can be one of them:
1L VG: $13
1L PG (this will list awhile): $13
120ml 100mg Nic in PG (I use VapersTek/Heartland (seperated into 4 unicorn bottles and put 3 in freeze for long term storage): $15
30ml Unicorn bottles (pack of 100 (lasted me ~8 months but YMMV)): $30
Alternative Scale: $14
Pipettes (pack of 100): $7
Flavorings can be gotten from ($2-$7 per 15 or 30ml):
so say 10 flavors (5 15ml (~$2.50) and 5 30ml (~$5) : ~$37.50
Grand total: ~$145.50 but YMMV (could start with less VG, PG, bottles, nic, flavorings).
Expect your flavor collection to grow quickly. (mine is in the 60s or so)
Yep, was gonna say this. Just buy this scale and a 500 pack of transfer pipettes and you'll be set.
This one is fantastic, and really affordable
I think a great majority of us utilize this very scale. It's nearly as accurate as my $200 Myweigh that I use for other purposes, just not quite as responsive. $30 though, can't beat it
The only one I found in a search was this one -
Is that the go-to scale or is there something better for maybe a little more money? Would like to keep it under $50 if possible, but it just dawned on me if I wanted a scale all I have to do is ask Santa for one.
Spoke to Santa last night and she said to pick one out, so I'm looking for recommendations and pros and cons, pleaseandthankyou.
I mix my ADV in 240ml batches and make 5ml batches for testing. Would like something that can accurately measure both small and larger batches if possible.
Thanks in advance :)
I got mine last week from amazon and it did come with two weights.