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Vertical mouse. $20. Saved my wrist using it at work all day.
It looks odd but it feels so much more natural. I even got a bunch of people at my office to buy one after they tried mine.
Edit: Here’s the link to the one I have for those interested.
It wasn't bad before, but I also own an Anker TM137G mouse so I know what ergonomic really feels like.
But what this does is prop up the other half of the hand. And since I have a damaged right hand, that's not a bad thing whatsoever. Yeah, it's a good upgrade alright.
I've used a vertical mouse for a few years now. The button clicking is a little less stressful when your wrist is in a more natural state and isn't rotated to a downward position.
In addition to what others are saying a few things I've done to help my wrist pain
Move main skill off of right mouse button
Changed to a more strict lootfilter so I am not picking up as much of the cheaper currencies. I usually only do this later in the league when I've accumulated a decent amount of currency. This obviously isn't much good for SSF players.
If you can getting an ergonomic mouse could help a lot if you can get used to them. I have a cheap one and it is just okay. It's pretty light which I find hard to game with but when my wrist pain is really bad it basically becomes non-existent when I use it. https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC
The biggest thing is stretching. I have started doing quick wrist stretches whenever I'm loading into my hideout after a map or waiting for a boss to spawn/phase and doing longer sessions (5 minutes or so) every hour and it has probably helped more than anything. Just get into a habit
I use a very thin mousepad and prefer the slick/hard finish to the cottony/bendy material. However, the type of mouse is the more important factor for me.
I use an ergonomic mouse so your hand is tilted sideways to keep your wrist at a more natural angle and you can easily rest your hand on the desk. I have this Anker mouse
Yes, a lot of programming— which of course doesn’t use a mouse a tremendous amount but it still helps a lot in making an overall more ergonomic setup. Every little bit counts.
Just grabbed this Anker Vertical Mouse from Amazon ($20) to see if I’d even like it and it’s been doing just fine!
It takes about an hour to get used to, but my year-end activities were causing pain from all the clicking as well! I got this ergo mouseand my life has vastly improved. You might like it, too!
Quelli da poco non sono male (Io avevo questo), quindi se sei indeciso ti consiglierei di prendere quello da 20 euro e provarlo per qualche settimana/mese. L'MX Vertical è sicuramente una spanna sopra, ha un sensore migliore, batteria integrata che dura mesi, bluetooth, dispositivi multipli... ma per quando riguarda puramente l'ergonomia sono abbastanza comparabili.
Se invece sei deciso (hai già provato mouse verticali in passato) e il tuo budget te lo permette tanto vale evitare di spendere due volte e prendere direttamente l'MX Vertical. Io l'avevo preso a 75 euro, purtroppo vedo che il prezzo adesso è salito un poco invece di scendere (altra lamentela, oramai gli MX Master te li tirano dietro, specie i 2s. Questo invece è uscito da quasi due anni e il prezzo rimane sempre alto).
I had trouble with something similar at work. I use this Anker mouse which is angled and I have had no problems since then. It takes a bit of getting used to, but I highly recommend trying it and it’s less than 20 bucks on Amazon.
I highly recommend getting an ergonomic mouse like this. The way you hold this mouse means you're less likely to get carpal tunnel, hand cramps, etc.
The one I linked might not be what you're looking for, but definitely recommend that shape.
That's the best I can describe it. I also moved to an ergonomic mouse several years ago where my hand is turned to the side rather than on top of the mouse like the one linked below. It took a couple weeks to get used to, but I would never go back to a regular mouse.
If you get this mouse, don't "palm" it like the model is doing in the photo. I just use my fingertips.
Somewhat ergo naman yung mouse ko dito. Pero crush ko yung Anker kasi. Haha.
Consider getting an ergonomic mouse. I developed very irritating tendinitis from using a standard mouse and it's completely disappeared since I switched to using these: Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical Ergonomic Optical Mouse, 800 / 1200 /1600 DPI, 5 Buttons for Laptop, Desktop, PC, Macbook - Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apan_glt_fabc_M0XWFZ4D6AG93J3KQ67P
If you have wrist problems due mouse usage, try an ergonomic mouse, link below of one I've gifted a few people and they love it.
Anker AK-UBA 2.4G Wireless Vertical Ergonomic Optical Mouse, 800 / 1200 /1600 DPI, 5 Buttons for Laptop, Desktop, PC, Macbook - Black https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_1HTBYRKBEJA975T4N8TY
En fait c'est la même que la Anker non ? Intéressant si vous avez vraiment un budget serré, doit même y'en avoir d'autres copies sous d'autres marques. Au boulot j'avais des Silvercrest (Lidl), c'était pas trop mal non plus pour le prix.
I got a spare wireless ergonomic anker mouse, should be this one here. Let me know if you need it.
It's what I was going to suggest but it really depends on what the computer-based job is, I simply couldn't do it in my role as I spend most of it writing computer code.
But for general work it can work well.
I'd also suggest you look at things like RSI mouse and keyboards. A few people I work with use mice that are on it's side and they have really helped with their various issues
I use one like this and it’s been perfect.
Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical Ergonomic Optical Mouse, 800 / 1200 /1600 DPI, 5 Buttons for Laptop, Desktop, PC, Macbook - Black https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_PWMYE3CGB8WVBV9Y0KBP
If you got a 4k monitor for productivity/other uses, I'd probably recommend outputting 1080p from the Deck for gaming. Not sure it'd do well outputting 4k resolution (for gaming), as others have said. There's a lot to look at for monitors. Size and display-type and such.
For a mouse, I don't use gaming mice. I like vertical mice as they're more ergonomic. Logitech makes them so maybe there are some better "gaming" ones, but I use a cheap Anker one and it's fine
Just got the anker vertical mouse when it was on sale like a month ago, I kinda like it. It's not better in terms of any feature or built quality, but for its ergonomic. Being vertical allows a more natural resting position for your wrist.
I've had the Anker AK-UBA vertical mouse for years and it's been a lifesaver. I can keep my hand in a neutral poster, don't have to grip it as tightly and I'm able to use it for much longer than a regular mouse without the same level of pain.
MSFT Sculpt helped me. I use an Anker mouse here. Had nerve entrapment from shoulder to elbow though so idk if YMMV. Definitely don't forget about the mouse.
A keyboard tray and making sure your chair height is right also helps. Also, don't rest your elbows on your chair.
Vertical mice FTW. I can't use a regular one anymore; the tendonitis flares up within the day. I also have an Anker wireless vertical mouse for around the house. I like both.
It was always fun watching tech support and coworkers try to use it!
I use this one: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=ergonomic+mouse&qid=1601643628&sr=8-3
It might not be ideal for fast-paced shooter games, but I don't really play those anymore anyway vs. day-to-day usaeg.
I haven’t used a wacom but my experience with an anker brand ergonomic mouse has been positive.
Here’s the link
Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical Ergonomic Optical Mouse, 800 / 1200 /1600 DPI, 5 Buttons for Laptop, Desktop, PC, Macbook - Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Ns5CFb52HSF78
I personally love the Anker ergonomic mouse. Battery lasts a long time. And it's under 30 bucks. It's unconventional but has no strain on your wrist. The wired is under 20 bucks. https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC
If ergonomics is your focus, I would consider getting a "vertical mouse". It's less strain on your wrist. Anker makes a pretty good one that's affordable:
Truth be told, I don't know how good it actually is for gaming. But with a $200 budget, you can easily afford this $25 mouse, and a separate gaming mouse.
Ok, so everyone is talking about pen and tablet, and that’s great if it works for you. It did not work for me. At all. Two months of using a pen and tablet and I just found a new way to be lazy with my wrist. Plus, I never personally like navigating with a wacom. Maybe I spent too many years of using a mouse, I just couldn’t be as efficient.
I swear by the Anker vertical mouse. It’s more expensive than it used to be, but it’s still far less than a wacom and it might work for you. I’ve used it for five years and I’ve had very few flair-ups.
I'm another big advocate for vertical mice, I've been using one for a couple of years and it's made a big difference to some of the RSI problems I was having. I use this one from Anker (not bad for £16) I bought one for home and one for work!
Also, don't waste your cash on an expensive mouse, I bought this one from Amazon and it's superb
An upright mouse. I guess it’s a more neutral position for your hand on a table than a traditional mouse. I haven’t had much of any pain since I switched to one at work.
Edit: the stupid link is broken but I’m too lazy to fix it.
1, I have the anker veritcal mouse and pray by it.
Been using this vertical Anker at work for two years. It still looks brand new minus the usual dirt in the seams (i.e. - the soft-touch mats are still in perfect shape) and is on it's second set of batteries. 20$
Here's the Amazon link. I'll change the price to $12 shipped. When I bought it it was more than $20.
Anker AK-UBA 2.4G Wireless Vertical Ergonomic Optical Mouse, 800/1200/1600 DPI, 5 Buttons for Laptop, Desktop, PC, Macbook - Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_QajDBb1F6A178
I use an Anker vertical mouse for its ergonomics.
Horizontal mice cause me a lot of wrist pain.
Do we work together? A trick to getting better equipment is to cite an ergonomic justification. Want a monitor arm/riser start saying your neck is hurting while using your comp. New KB/mouse your wrists/shoulders hurt. Careful with the mouse one or you'll end up with one of these
Wow, really? They are really pricey, they should last longer.
I have this one (the wired version though). I bought it in 2013. It still works and I’m still using it, but since about last year the left mouse button has an issue when you drag and drop (sometimes releases too early). It’s getting worse now, so I’m gonna replace it. I’m pretty sure I’m gonna get the same one again. 20 bucks and it worked great for 4 years. Highly recommend it.
Although with vertical mouses and keyboards, ergonomics are key. If you can, you should go to a local store and try how they fit your hand. I can imagine the Anker one won’t be great if you have very small hands for example.
Had a buddy do this. Eventually he weaned himself off the controller 2 mths after his switch from console to PC. Whatever works best.
I tried switching to an ergonomic mouse and noped back to my crappy one after a week. Damn, I need a new mouse.
Can you push the blocks together, and type? or is it weird?
Also do you have one of these lol https://www.amazon.com/Anker-AK-98ANWVM-UBA-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521743918&sr=8-1&keywords=vertical+ergonomic+mouse
I was having some issues with my wrist. I was on a computer all day at work and then I would go home and game at night. I bought this mouse to use at the office and it helped.
It actually helped more than I thought, but simply rotating my wrist by 40 or so degrees made all the difference. I'm still using it at work and then game with my old microsoft sidewinder.
Anker vertical wireless mouse is 20 USD on amazon.
As for the main cause of your problem, your pain, I reccomend researching proper ergonomics and hand stretching.
Hand stretching has helped me so much I cant even start. At first your force yourself to go through the exercises but after awhile you will start to catch yourself doing them for no reason between games / watching TV. They really help.
As someone who also uses Autodesk at work and enjoys gaming at home, I too developed some form of RSI. I found swapping to a vertical mouse to be pretty natural, and completely resolved the issue. I even use one at home for non-FPS gaming.
Anker do a cheap, but superb mouse that tracks on most things. I have one at home, and a much more expensive Evoluent at work. I prefer the Anker.
You could get here vertical mouse which some animators and vfx artist I know use. https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499797300&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=vertical+mouse&psc=1
Chair is important no doubt, but IMO also important is the height of the desk in relation to the chair. I think it's supposed to allow your arms to be by your side and the elbow to stay at a ~90 degree to reach the keyboard and mouse. Sometimes, depending on your height, really nice chairs have arm rests that bumb up against the edge of the desk, making you extend your arm. I would also suggest an ergonomic mouse if you don't already have one.
The thing is that I'm looking for actually ergonomic mice. Most of the stuff I'm after has a vertical shape. Here's an example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical-1600DPI/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1497426459&sr=1-4&keywords=vertical+mouse
I had this same issue. I switched to a vertical mouse and it has drastically helped.
Man! Thanks a lot again. I'm looking into these one by one, will start with the keyboard. The Msft one looks good, will get that.
For the mice, that evoluent one is expensive! I see that some reviewers the Anker one too which is a fraction of the price. Do you think that'll work alright or its best not to cheap out on something important like this?
I get pain on the back of my hands arfter gaming for years. This thing isn't great for precision, but I use it for everything else, which gives me enough relief to continue gaming.
I use a vertical mouse. It keeps your hand in a neutral "handshake" position and my right hand literally never gets fatigued, even if I game all day. I highly recommend it. It does have a couple drawbacks (Nobody makes a gaming mouse in this style, if you click too hard you can jerk the mouse) but the comfort is more than worth it.
Bought a vertical mouse in order to reduce my own wrist strain since I use a computer all day at work and at home. Got one of these and I feel way less stress on my wrist compared to using a normal orientation mouse.
Getting a trackball is definitely a good idea, if you can get used to it. I tried it myself few times, but was never able to actually stick with it. Which is a shame, because I felt my wrist was more relaxed.
Also, an out of the box suggestion might be something like this http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1453399124&sr=1-2&keywords=ergonomic+mouse which I believe should reduce stress in your wrist.
Lastly, I would suggest rebinding your clicks in Diablo to a keyboard, if you feel like the clicking is making it worse.
I had the same problem for the longest time, but what helped me was getting one of those "vertical" mice.
It takes some time getting used to, but it made all my pain going away from playing for longer periods of time.
This is the one I use
I can't begin to express my love for this product after it saved my wrist/arm/elbow/workflow and didn't cost me too much money.
Have either of you tried a vertical mouse? Like Grey, I have RSI problems, but a vertical mouse seems to be helping. I keep a regular mouse on the left side of my keyboard at work as well, so I can use my off hand for basic work.
The "not need to have it in the regular position" is certainly something that would be a good thing, since it hurts just having my hand on the mouse. I'll def go and try one at best buy. I've checked these out and they seem to be a good change aswell: handshake mouse
Carpal Tunnel Be Gone
I have used this for about a year. It took about a week of constant use to get comfortable. This particular one is made for larger hands. I have the rechargeable version. The charge will last for at least an eight hour weekend session. Also, it works while charging. (keep your charging cable nearby during important games)
Since using this mouse, my carpal tunnel/tendonitis symptoms have nearly vanished
If you don't like it, shop around, I strongly endorse the vertical mouse design. Edit: added link for rechargeable
Here's a vertical mouse on amazon. They're pretty easy to find. Here's a keyboard like you're talking about.
try this for a mouse.
US amazon link. It's $20.... I'm tempted to try it out.
Vertical mouse. [This is the one I use](https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabt1_c9zTFbZBEX8Q5
I used a similar Anker wireless mouse ($20) for a couple years. SHARKK offers a mouse identical to the Anker one, but it's the same price as the Anker version, making it more expensive that the one above.
A few things to note about vertical mice:
They're not gaming mice, and you're more likely to accidentally lift the mouse by tilting it than with a conventional mouse, if you intend to use it for gaming.
You may find you catch your wrist or edge of your hand on the mouse as you reach over it, knocking it over. This might happen when you reach for your phone, for example, or when you go to use the mouse itself. It's roughly 50% taller than a more conventional mouse, and easy to knock over, especially if you don't use vertical mice exclusively.
You might still find it uncomfortable, if you're using it for wrist pain. I found mine comfortable, like a large wedge art eraser, but a colleague who I lent it to did not. Amazon Prime offers free shipping but not free returns (Amazon return shipping costs).
I picked up this Anker Vertical Wireless Mouse for the same reason - $20 on sale on Amazon atm.
They're available on Amazon.
I recommend a vertical mouse considering you don't seem to do gaming
cheap option (battery powered)
a more premium option (rechargable with usb c)
I use the anker ergonomic mouse. I like it a lot.
Just wanted to second this vote for the Anker brand, I own two Anker vertical mouses, and they've performed wonderfully for the past two years.
I like to use this ergonomic mouse and this keyboard. It’s helped my carpal tunnel a lot.
Also keeping your laptop at eye height is a good idea for long term stationary use. You could use a stack of books or laptop stand.
Ive run the wired version of this one at work for the last 2 years, looks like the wireless version is a little over £20:
If you're using a controller already I'm not sure how another game would make a difference. If you're dealing with RSI issues the best you can do is switch between peripherals and take breaks.
Maybe get a vertical mouse and split your gaming time. And do something different for regular computing.
Get a vertical mouse.
Hacerte mejor una pistola. Dios como lo cuentas, es maestro, da clases está buena la serie no sería algo como esto o esto y fijate cuál te identifiques y puedas estar físicamente, pues si de destruye al INE, lo hizo en agosto 2020 y me da un cuadro con los judíos.
OP, I've got some info for you and some potential solutions. I've dealt with that pain before and I've helped some family members through it too:
WHY DO MY WRISTS HURT?
The pain you're experiencing in your wrists is called carpal tunnel syndrome, a type of tendonitis that happens in the wrists. Essentially, there is a nerve called the median nerve that runs through your hand and wrist. Swelling from irritated muscles and ligaments in your wrist can cause that nerve to get compressed, which causes pain.
So what causes the swelling? Using your wrists. The more intensely you use them, and the longer the duration, the more it will hurt. It's also important to know that carpal tunnel is highly genetic, and some families share certain wrist structures which makes them all vulnerable. That's why I've had it and why my brother and mom have it too sometimes.
So having that wrist pain doesn't mean you're "damaged," really. It's just temporary swelling, like you can get from a bruise. Thing is, it can take a really, really long time to go away if it's continually being bothered.
WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT?
In order to get rid of carpal tunnel (permanently) there are a few things that need to be done.
To accomplish the first point, using a vertical mouse helps a lot. Here's one my brother uses. It's not incredible for gaming but for everything else it's fine. Voice typing when you can is also a good idea.
With regard to the second point, why does getting the blood flowing regularly help? Well, blood brings everything your body needs for healing to injured sites. By doing sports and other activities that increase your heart rate and send blood through your arms, you're giving your wrists an infusion of healing. Just make sure you're not straining your wrists more. You will find the balance with practice.
Another way to get the blood flowing is by using the extensor muscles in your forearms. Strengthening these muscles has also been linked to helping resist carpal tunnel. Excercise bands like this are great for it.
Also, the biggest advantage you have: you're 13. As a teenager, you are in PEAK years for healing ability. You can totally beat this carpal tunnel and get your wrists feeling better. I did it as a 20 year old and it was difficult, it will be easier for you. Just be smart, because the longer it hangs around for, the more difficult it is to get rid of.
Hope this helps, and feel free to comment or DM me with any questions.
trackball o algo como esto o esto y fijate en tiendamia.
Sono andato avanti diversi anni con Anker e similari (c'è un modello che viene venduto sotto diversi marchi ma che è sempre lo stesso), con o senza cavo. Facendomi due conti, poiché in un modo o nell'altro ne consumavo uno o due all'anno per ogni postazione di lavoro (ufficio e casa).
Ho monitorato il prezzo dell'MX Vertical della Logitech e l'ho acquistato quando era ben scontato. Nel momento in cui si è rotto l'ennesimo Anker, ne ho acquistato un altro e onestamente non tornerei indietro.
Non uso i tasti programmabili, mi vanno bene quelli di default. Lo uso per lavoro. La batteria dura una vita, mesi. È solido e riempie bene la mano, la mia non è gigante ma nemmeno piccolissima. Il più vecchio, che ora ha 2 anni, comincia ad avere segni di usura. La superficie è soft-touch, con un buon grip. Uso mouse ergonomici da vent'anni e sicuramente è il migliore che ho acquistato.
Per l'alimentatore: se vai in posti differenti non ho idee, ma se hai più postazioni di lavoro il consiglio più ovvio è di prendere un secondo alimentatore da lasciare dove ti serve. Potresti dare un'occhiata anche alle power bank per i portatili.
angled mouse pad
No carpal tunnel.
I'd get one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC
At least as good as a finger trackball for RSI, and better than a thumball imho.
Try a vertical mouse. It's a bit less accurate until you get used to it but will save your wrist. I use https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC
Just to add to the RSI stuff, I was getting pain in my shoulder and forearm on my mouse side. I got a an ergo mouse and it fixed that problem. I use the ms ergo sculpt but my work mate who had the same issue uses just a cheap Amazon one that helped for him.
Gotta look after yourself if you want to continue hacking into your old age!
Vertical mouse. There are different designs. I just learned about them recently.
Before you do the trackball, maybe try a vertically oriented mouse. I can't use a standard mouse, hurts the wrist and elbow. But this mouse has helped tremendously.
I purchased two (one at home, one for the office) two years ago and my wrist is much happier.
Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical Ergonomic Optical Mouse (Amazon link for OP).
I have this one and really like it: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC
There are ergonomic mouses that allow your wrist to be turned up into the same position as a track ball mouse. I own one and it’s been a lifesaver.
Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I have a friend whose wrist issues went away with this kind of mouse.
TL;DR: Microsoft Sculpt keyboard and vertical handshake-style mouse, along with correct seating/desk/screen alignment.
I learned to touch type by rote on a typewriter before moving to IBM keyboards. Not long after that, the Gen-1 Microsoft ergonomic keyboard came out and that's where I really honed my touch typing skills. So split keyboards are what I've always been most comfortable with.
I'm a Linux sysadmin and so I've been surrounded by anti-MS (or should I say, M$ hurrr) sentiment over the years. Throughout that, though, I've maintained that MS make pretty decent keyboards, and have almost always used the MS Ergonomic keyboards when I can. Separate the art from the artist etc.
Mostly it has been the Natural Keyboard Pro, and I have a couple of those in the attic for a rainy day. I used a Logitech Wave for a while and I found that to be fine. Now I have the MS Sculpt both at home and at work.
The main downside for the Sculpt is that it uses a proprietary wireless dongle rather than bluetooth, so if you lose the dongle it's game over. There is a github repo with code and pcb plans for converting the keyboard to wired USB. There are other minor downsides like the shared media/Fn keys and the separate numpad which goes into a drawer and isn't working that one time that you could actually need it. For most people the mouse will be fine, I can't seem to use it long term though.
At work I have a Magic Mouse 2, and the gestures are cool but the ergonomics are brutal. Pronating your wrist to use it just hurts. At home, I have a handshake/shark-fin style ergonomic mouse. In the US it's this. Clue for fellow ANZACistanis: KMart sells this mouse for AU$12/NZ$16, and IMHO it's the best bang for the buck ergonomic mouse that money can buy. Main downside is that it doesn't have a side-tilting scroll wheel. It's a cheap way to see if this style of mouse is for you before you throw wads of money at something like a Logitech MX Vertical.
Swore by these for years until the carpal tunnel. Switched to one of these and never looked back.
Working all day every glued to OEM mac accessories gave me RMD some years ago. Not sure if ever really healed.. so I'm just more mindful now.
I tried the Anker upright mouse which worked well for a while, but the claw-like pinching action bothered me after a while. This Logitech trackball has been great for the last year or two. Took a while to get used to, but now that I am, no different than a mouse. And having the additional left hand trackpad really helps when I need that interface.
You do have to clean it here and there, no different than an old school ball mouse. But a micro screw driver set makes it easy. Maybe once every 6 months?
I bought this vertical mouse and it's helped: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BIFNTMC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I developed a lot of wrist pain, to the point I had problems working. I switched over to this vertical mouse and it's been a complete game changer. I highly recommend it:
For what it's worth regarding the ergonomic pointing device.
Kinesis sells a vertical mouse (the Vertical Mouse 4) for $99 - $109.
Anker has a probably less as feature cool but much more budget friendly version at Amazon for $20. I was in for two (one for work, one for home). 3 days on, I'm very happy.
Reducing the mouse usage wrist twist by 1/4 is turning out to be pretty meaningful.
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Not OP but it looks a lot like an Anker vertical mouse. I've had one for about a year and I love it. Here's my one on Amazon
This is the one that I use which is pretty light: Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical Ergonomic Optical Mouse, 800 / 1200 /1600 DPI, 5 Buttons for Laptop, Desktop, PC, Macbook - Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC/
Sorry you're dealing with that. It's so frustrating that doctors would prefer to risk leaving someone in pain then risk someone getting pills they don't need.
Not sure if you have tried CBD oil, but it helps a lot. Also, someone mentioned that they got pain in their hands from typing a few days ago, so I'm going to be lazy and copy my comment from there —
>My top recommendation would be an ergonomic keyboard and mouse. Here's my mouse, and my keyboard is like this one. It's best to take a break from typing or other repetitive tasks and stretch your hands (you can find a lot of difference techniques online).
Hope things start working out for ya :)
I have this Anker mouse which ive had no provlems with and has helped quite a bit with my RSI.
Io ho questo https://www.amazon.it/Anker-Mouse-Verticale-Wireless-Impugnatura/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1526387590&sr=1-2&keywords=anker+mouse+verticale che ho ricomprato dopo 2 anni di uso.
Might want to look at ergonomic mice, as the way they are held only the length of your fingers really matter.
Wired version: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Ergonomic-Optical-Vertical-Buttons/dp/B00FPAVUHC
Close to 2 years ago, I started noticing issues with my right wrist. Went to the doctor and found out that I hav4 some carpal tunnel syndrome, some torn cartilage and an old stress fracture that I never new about. All of it was compounding and to this day I have issues on a regular basis. (Occasionally I need to squeeze my wrist and I can feel my ulna moving...)
Anyway. I picked up a vertical wireless mouse from Anker, this one in fact. I no longer have wrist pains when using a mouse, but i do get coworkers who jump on my computer and get super confused as to why they're holding.
Bought a second one for home, but my Logitech G502 doesnt seem to give me wrist problems all that regularly. I guess because it has a slight tilt up?
Yep, it's this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Cm1CzbWE1CM52
Could you also have a mild form of Ehlers–Danlos syndrome? That thing you said about your tendons made me wonder.
I have significant muscle weakness in my hands, probably just another thing related to a rare genetic disease my family has finally pinned down (symptoms are intermittent and extremely varied, and you can't even test for it when they're not active if that). A few years back, it flared up to the point I couldn't really use my hands for gaming or typing at all (let alone anything else) because they were in so much pain. Always had a bucket of ice water in the fridge to stick them in because it was the only thing that helped. It eventually recovered (to my normal anyway), but in the meantime I ended up using my feet.
I set up a gamepad with xpadder to use the analog sticks as a mouse (with two different sensitivities), and pressing them in as mouse clicks or another needed button (often with rapid fire). This proved good enough for things like adventure games, visual novels, turn based games, simple flash games, and easier platformers with a bit more tweaking (one stick for left/right, one for everything else). I also used and still use cheat engine to slow down games a lot (the speedhack button on the right).
Things I haven't tried:
Pinnacle Game Profiler is supposed to be able to let you disable controllers in games that force you to use their setup among other things (and so you could use mouse/gamepad at the same time), and nox360 can do the same thing though I'm not sure if you need xbox360ce installed or not.
Look up "foot mouse" or foot game controller and there are a few different kinds intended for this sort of thing though I never got around to trying any of them. Even a dance pad might work for extra buttons. Just in general you can find a lot by searching for "X with people with disabilities". There are also lots of alternate supposedly more ergonomic mouse designs like this, this or this though I don't know that would help with your problem and you probably shouldn't be using it much anyway.
Wikipedia also has a list of software for RSI.
Windows 7+ also have voice recognition built in. I remember getting frustrated with it though probably need a better mic.
You can also try using a vertical mouse so your mousing wrist is in a more natural position. There are both left-handed and right-handed vertical mice: https://smile.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1475088725&sr=1-4&keywords=vertical+mouse
Another alternative to a vertical mouse is a Wacom-style tablet pad. I find holding a pen/pencil more comfortable than mousing.
Mini keyboards are better than full-sized keyboards because most set-ups have the mouse on the right side of the keyboard, and most keyboards have the arrows and numpad off to the right of the letters. You want to keep your mousing area as close to your typing area as possible so you don't have to bend your elbow too much, so mini/laptop style keyboards work better. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KW3QTSW/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That diagram at the bottom of the link that /r/confusedaerospaceguy shared is good. You want your elbows bent at least 90 degrees, preferably greater.
I have wrist tendinitis. It sucks. I ice my wrists a lot (hence the water resistant keyboard). It's better to avoid it.
As a programmer I got the same thing, mine was more of a RSI. I still have it but it's manageable. Here's what I did:
-vertical mouse (https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1467206570&sr=8-2&keywords=vertical+mouse)
-wrist brace, wear at night also (https://www.amazon.com/Mueller-Fitted-Wrist-Brace-Medium/dp/B0027VGB4Y/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1467206596&sr=8-1&keywords=muller+wrist)
-make sure ergonomics of my desk/monitor/mouse were correct. Also, went to a standing desk
-breaks for stretching
-deep tissue massage
-ice my arms- bucket of water with ice
Last I made a stainless steel deep tissue massage tool. I found that while I was at my desk I could work my hands and arms a little to loosen them up.
https://www.amazon.ca/Anker-Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical/dp/B00BIFNTMC ROFL wtf is this
I use this mouse. It costs $20:
Yo pedí un mouse inalámbrico y llegó sin problemas. Me acabo de fijar y esto fue en mayo de 2015, no sé si seguirá siendo igual.
I think your instinct to try a vertical mouse was a good one. Cheap enough to give a shot, anyway. http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical-1600DPI/dp/B00BIFNTMC
Sorry, I meant this:
Try setting up your computer so you can stand while playing. Life changing for me.
Keep the monitor at most an arm's length away and have the top of part of the monitor be even with your eyes. This should improve your head position. Your arms should be close to making a 90 degree angle. If you are sitting your feet should be able to rest comfortably on the ground.
Also, if you can afford it. I would recommend looking into joystick-type/upright mice. There is a huge difference between mousing with your wrists in a "natural" position. There are also keyboards that allow you to type with your wrists in a position closer to a natural state as well.
Example mouse: http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Vertical-Ergonomic-Optical-1600DPI/dp/B00BIFNTMC/
Example keyboard: http://www.amazon.com/Goldtouch-Adjustable-PS-KB-White/dp/B0006V22O0/
About 6-7 years ago, I used to have tingling down my arms from doing a lot of computer work + playing piano afterwards. After learning about natural wrist posture and using these products at my day job, I never feel any kind of soreness like that. I still play piano after work, sometimes for hours.
Taking breaks is also a must. A few minutes after every game doesn't kill you...
source: my computer doesn't want any one to sue them for RSI's so they try to teach all office-based employees about this stuff all the time
Any vertical mouse suggestions? This one looks good and is actually much cheaper than I would have thought at $20.
Something like this as well. I used to have bad carpal tunnel pain before, what fixed it was buying a desk that was adjustable so that I could sit with proper ergonomics in my chair and had my mouse and keyboard perfectly in line with the natural dangling height of my elbows while sitting up.
As far as MMOs without mice, you can play FFXIV perfectly fine with a controller. Not sure why a controller gives you shoulder and back pain though, try sitting back in a relaxed position when you play instead of leaning forward.
I had the wireless version of this mouse and it was uncomfortable; it's too narrow (short?) for large hands (~20x10cm) and the last joints on my middle and index fingers hung off the ends of the buttons. I like my G403 a lot more.