Alright that sounds cool!
I need to get my hands on a mixer, would make streaming so much easier. Just with how small I am on Twitch I don't know if it would be a good purchase just yet since I haven't had too many complaints about sound yet.
Do you have any background with the AVerMedia Live Gamer HD?
I have been looking it up since someone in this thread recommended it and it seems that the audio issue might be fixed as well as any lag for streaming/recording.
This is the equivalent AVerMedia Capture card. The difference between the HD60 Pro and that AVerMedia is that the Elgato can record 1080p60fps while the AVerMedia can only record 1080p30fps.
If you're just going to stream to Twitch at 720p60fps and have no desire to record 1080p60fps videos (for YouTube etc) then the AVerMedia will do just fine. It's also $20 cheaper than the Elgato HD60 Pro. Personally, I went with the HD60 Pro because I like to record gameplay on the side, and an extra $20 for an extra 30fps justified itself, in my opinion.
I can PM you a link to some of the YouTube footage and some of my past broadcasts if you want to get an idea of the quality.
I actually use this for my upcoming Halo 5 stream:
It was pretty much plug into my tower and then run two hdmi cables. One from the console to the card and the second from the card to my monitor.
This has the added bonus of still letting my use things like OBS on my PC and use that to stream rather than the console itself, so I can still have my overlay, my on screen notifications, and use my blue yeti pro mic for audio talk over twitch. And then for the Xbox sound I just plug my headphones into my controller to pass the sound.
Only thing is if you are in party I believe you have to use two mics, one for stream and one plugged in normally like you would to the xbox/controller for party chat. Or at least that's the only way I know to make it work. But hey it works
There are also external version of this kind of capture card as well you can look at from the same company, I just got this one because it had the best ratings for HD streaming and capturing of content.
(Side note: The driver install is a bit iffy on this device because they bundle ALL their drivers in one program and it usually installs the wrong one, simple fix. Just be on the look out if you use something like this)
I have went through 2 elgatos and did my research and I really don't suggest the elgato. There is a really bad delay between the video input and the game play. So this ends up in game play not being synced with the webcam. I believe it's a 2-3 second delay. What I suggest in an internal capture card.
Take a look at this avermedia: http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Recorder--C985-Capture-Stream/dp/B007UXJ6LE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441307460&sr=8-2&keywords=avermedia
It's highly worth the cost to save the frustration.
Get this
Don't use a USB one. This will take in and display at 60fps. It wont natively record it at that speed. But you just have your obs look at it which can record and stream it at 60 fps.
Maybe it's just me, but my El Gatos have been a nightmare for streaming. My audio gets desynced like madness, and it's inconsistent so I can't set proper delays. Perhaps it's something on MY end, but ever since switching to the Avermedia Game Recorder and have had no problems. I'd also add that I have to add almost NO delay to the card when streaming.
My PS4 is next to my PC.
Setup: PC is connected to Monitor #1(left) and Monitor #2(right)
PS4 HDMI out to PC capture card HDMI in. PC capture card HDMI out to Monitor #1 input 2(hdmi). PS4 displays on my Monitor#1 input 2 PC streaming stuff is on Monitor #2
Like I said, Avermedia HD has no lag. exact card I use, http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Recorder--C985-Capture-Stream/dp/B007UXJ6LE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440430634&sr=8-1&keywords=avermedia+live+hd
Do you have a capture card already?
If not i'd suggest getting this and you don't have to worry about getting a dedicated GPU if you're just streaming video from your console.
http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Recorder-C985-Capture-Stream/dp/B007UXJ6LE
I would recommend getting this even though it is internal. Just hot swap it with your GPU or something else that is completely unused for streaming. Thats what I do. I have an ITX in a 380T case. I just pull my GPU and plop it in before a non PC game stream and everything works perfect. USB capture cards are totally not worth it. You might as well stream straight from your ps4.
If I buy one of these will I have to have my monitor plugged in to stream my pc games to twitch? Currently I have issues with steady framerates and streaming with shadowplay and open broadcaster service, and I want to stream reliably while utilizing my second monitor to watch the stream while I play.
A tip I have is if you're going to stream, external capture cards like the Elgato are always pretty iffy. An internal capture card like the Avermedia C985 is what most pros use. An internal capture card requires a desktop, however, which can be an issue to some.
This is something that you're going to be keeping for a while, I'd recommend spending a bit extra and getting the http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Recorder--C985-Capture-Stream/dp/B007UXJ6LE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431481201&sr=8-1&keywords=live+gamer
Depending on your budget as well as the specific setup you're going for, you might consider getting a video capture card. This would allow you to stream the video to a computer, which could then stream to any other networked machine using software like VLC, or you could even take it online using a service like Twitch. Additionally, this would allow you to record high quality footage of the play.
Capture cards are pricey, typically in the range of $100-$200 for a decent quality card, and you'll still want a splitter like /u/dpittard recommends - there's generally a little lag (<1 second) when using a capture card, so it's not appropriate to use the computer's monitor to actually play on.
This is a pretty decent card you might consider.
Awesome, thank you! What would you say is better? The Elgato HD60 or the Avermedia Game Recorder C985?
Also, you said Multiplatform can get around the Hauppauge encoding? How does that work, and would you recommend Multiplatform for streaming right now?
I am a HUGE fan of the PCIE Avermedia card. It doesn't suffer from sound sync issues like some other cards (Elgato for example). As far as the resolution goes I couldn't tell you, I only pump 1080 and below into it. http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Recorder-C985-Capture-Stream/dp/B007UXJ6LE
I know a few people who have a dedicated streaming rig, although they have i5's and what not. The X51 was a bad purchase and im trying to find a use for it.
Would i generally be better with a Capture Card by AVermedia?
http://www.amazon.ca/AVerMedia-C985-Gamer-1080P-Capture/dp/B007UXJ6LE
I see you have the SC as well. The SC is a great card :) Of course mine is the 970, but still :).
I know a few people who have a dedicated streaming rig, although they have i5's and what not. The X51 was a bad purchase and im trying to find a use for it.
Would i generally be better with a Capture Card by AVermedia?
http://www.amazon.ca/AVerMedia-C985-Gamer-1080P-Capture/dp/B007UXJ6LE
Is this worth it? I stream currently 720p@60 (As 1080p60 is too much for my connection). The 60FPS a huge thing for me, as most of my followers know me on that note. :P
Thankfully I was able to return it earlier this evening despite my wife throwing out the original packaging. 😒
I did a little digging and decided on the AverMedia C985 since it was right around the same price as the Elgato HD60 and it should have the same quality without the audio issues.
I actually bought that exact splitter you linked to. I guess other people have had an issue with getting shipped a different model with v1.4 so I'm hoping they don't ship me one of those.
Everything is 3.5mm stereo. My plan is to go from the computer's output, to the recorder, output from the recorder to the amp, and then plug my speakers/headphones into the amp.
this is the recording device I use.
I think there are lots of people who stream to Twitch or record video for Youtube using devices called "Capture Cards". They take the video from your unit (PS2/PS3), take it through a nearby computer, and from there you can stream it or record it. I know a lot of popular Twitch streamers use a Avermedia Live Gamer HD. Check those type of items out, and let us know what you find!
You can but it will make it 100% easier to manage. I'm going to assume that since you are able to afford a second PC that an extra ~$200 is not going to be a problem. I would recommend the AverMedia LiveGamer HD. It's pretty easy to set up and I currently use one.
to answer a couple of questions here:
Its going to be difficult to stream from and elgato, because of the fact that there is a delay between your audio from the computer and gameplay itself, meaning that if you get a 360 no-scope on advanced warfare, they are going to hear your reaction first, then your actual footage.
IF you use a elgato for streaming, you will not be able to use your kinect as a webcam. Because of the proprietary connection and port on the xbox one and kinect, it will not be able to plug into your computer.
If you want to stream gameplay from your xbox one to your computer, I highly suggest getting this.
A little bit more in the greenbacks than the elgato, but its definitely worth it. As for a webcam, I would use this.
Again, its a little pricey, but I guarantee you, this webcam will last you for 5-6 years.
I hope I cleared things up for you, feel free to reply back if you have any questions.
I have an Avermedia Live Gamer HD and it is outstanding. It is internal, but the install is simple. Quality is great.
I use this. Its great for folks with not-so-great pcs, as well, as it does all the capture/rendering on the card side of things.
It can capture from literally anything you plug in to it.
What I suggest is an Avermedia. These cards do not have an input lag so it will sync with a webcam fine.
PCI Express Card: http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Recorder--C985-Capture-Stream/dp/B007UXJ6LE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441308387&sr=8-2&keywords=avermedia
Usb Card: http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Live-Gamer-Extreme-GC550/dp/B00Y3U01RU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1441308387&sr=8-3&keywords=avermedia (This uses usb 3.0 so no input delay)
From what I understand the only capture cards that have imperceptible latency are pcie capture cards. The HD 60 Pro is a popular recommendation but a pricey one. The aver media c985 is also recommended regularly and 40 bucks cheaper I'm not to familiar with it. It sounds like a capture card is the only solution here but not all are created equal. Some can't do 60fps, some say they can but actually capture in 1080i which is actually 30fps, and some can't give you a near zero latency view, so yeah do your research.
The one I was looking at: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B007UXJ6LE?ref=emc_b_5_t
And I would try their software, but as long as it still takes away CPU power I would probably use OBS because it is more familiar
I have this capture card, this one captures at 720p 60fps, which is all you can do with the bitrate cap for Twitch partners (3500 kbps).
If you want 1080p 60fps this one will do you good, but it's an external capture card.
I highly recommend an internal capture card, the quality is superior to an external equivalent and more importantly, there's no delay compared to an external capture card (external capture cards take much longer to encode, which causes mic audio to be desynced with capture video/audio and syncing them is a pain).
Capture Card: AVerMedia Live Gamer HD. I had it posted in the post. Guess you didn't see it.
https://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Streaming-Definition-Hardware-C985/dp/B007UXJ6LE
I would recommend if you have a desktop the live gamer HD if you have a laptop the elgato HD60
PS4 actually has a built-in feature to stream straight to your Twitch channel and also allows you to use the PS4 cam. While this is an option, it's not the most optimal of set-ups. If you really want your stream to look good you should look into getting an internal or external capture card to hook up your PS4 to your pc. I recommend the AVerMedia Live Gamer HD. I use it and it works great for my PS4 and Xbox One. You can also download the RECentral software for it and record locally in case you ever want to upload to YouTube. This is all assuming that you have a pretty solid pc and, if you don't, you should probably save up to build/buy one if you want to get serious about streaming.
A solid microphone, camera and even a green screen are all pretty important as well. Some top streamers, such as Lirik, don't use cameras, so I suppose it's not really required, but it certainly helps. The Logitech C920 is great and can record in 1080p. As far as microphones go, you can either go USB or XLR (if you have a mixer of some sort). A lot of people use the Blue Yeti and it's widely regarded as one of the best USB microphones currently available and is not too expensive. If you are going to invest in a green screen, you'll also need to get some good lighting, if you don't already have some. Your green screen will need to be well lit.
The biggest piece of advice I can give you as a new streamer is to have fun. If you aren't having fun, your viewers will be able to tell and they likely won't want to watch. Don't try and be someone you're not, but try your best to have fun an be entertaining. This is possibly the most important thing to do as a streamer.
The AVerMedia card is what I see a lot of people saying the like best. It's JUST under $200.
I would suggest the AVerMedia Live Gamer HD. It's a little out of your price range, but I have one to stream my PS4 and Xbox One and it works like a charm and I highly recommend it. It's also on sale right now.
You could also try the AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable. It's a brother to the Live Gamer HD from what I understand, but external instead of internal and is also cheaper. I've never used this, so I can't speak to it's quality but it has a good rating on Amazon and you could always check the user reviews to see what people are saying about it.
Hope this helps :)
You will need a streaming HDMI capture card like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-PlayStation-Latency-Hardware-Encoding/dp/B007UXJ6LE
Then you will need a camera with clean HDMI out. Not many cameras do that.
http://nofilmschool.com/2013/04/canon-clean-hdmi-firmware-v1-21-5d-mark-iii
It might be easier to get a quality webcam.
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-ConferenceCam-CC3000e-Conferencing-960-000982/dp/B00I0F78DO
one more question. would i need something like this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007UXJ6LE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1#Ask to put less stress on the cpu?
Edit: Someone better than me has already FC'd this on normal drums and put up a video. Obligatory plug for that one if you're interested..
This info is in the YouTube description as well, but I'm sure someone will wonder what I used to record and mix this video.
Game Capture | Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 |
Drum Cam | Microsoft Lifecam Studio |
External Audio | Blue Yeti USB Microphone |
Recording | OBS Multiplatform 0.12 |
Editing and Rendering | Sony Vegas 13 Pro |
I highly recommend all of the above, except the PVR. Do yourself a favor and get something more reliable (something like the C985). The HDPVR 1212 records decent looking video if you can get it to work. Very few things support it natively. OBS Multiplatform is one of the few. As far as streaming goes, the delay on the video feed varies (from 250ms to 450ms for me) constantly so if you are trying to sync it up to external audio or video you'll be ahead one song and behind the next. It's not a great streaming device.
I run two instances of OBS: One for the game capture, one for drum cam + external mic. Each records to a different SSD (I have two) for better performance. It also means I just hit my "Start Recording" hotkey and both OBS windows start recording at almost exactly the same time. This makes syncing up the sources really easy later on since they are already quite close.
The webcam is capable of . The PVR captures . The final render is 1080p@60fps to get the most of out both sources. I tried to be a little fancier with the editing this time, having the background gracefully fade away and then the note highway slide over to the left. It feels less jarring this way than just having everything "pop" into place immediately.
Hope you all enjoyed the video :)
Ok so google came up with this: AverMedia
Do you think that will work?
You probably should've figured out how to utilize a streaming PC before you went out and bought one, but regardless, what you need is a capture card. something like the AverMedia C985 would be a good option, you just have to install it into a PCI-E slot on the motherboard of your streaming PC, and use something like a HDMI splitter to split your output from your gaming PC to your monitor and the capture card.
> C985 Live Gamer HD
Video input supports up to 1920*1080 at 60 fps (Hz) Maximum recording quality is 1080p at 30fps According to http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Recorder-C985-Capture-Stream/dp/B007UXJ6LE
Quite pricey but I'd go with AVerMedia Game Recorder C985 and OBS.
Avermedia would be your best bet really. I hear great things about the Avermedia C985 , but it's an internal card.
Will edit as more come in.
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If your computer has a free slot I suggest this http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-C985-Gamer-1080p-Capture/dp/B007UXJ6LE quality of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSqcitNbdI8 Be sure to watch in 1080p
This is the card I use http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-C985-Gamer-1080p-Capture/dp/B007UXJ6LE and imo the biggest factor you need is a good upload speed. http://www.twitch.tv/overloadtv/b/350798010 that's my stream quality with only 2mb/s up I can give you my pc specs if you want them too.
Here you are sir! This was pretty fun to make, thinking how high end it is and about your budget. This PC will absolutely wreck CSGO at 1440p and possibly 4k on 3 monitors. I put in a nice water cooler for ya since you wanted to overclock down the line, and as for the capture card I would suggest the one below.(Also, tell me if you actually build it! It'll make me proud :D)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
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CPU | Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor | $1009.99 @ SuperBiiz |
CPU Cooler | NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | $114.99 @ B&H |
Motherboard | Asus X99-DELUXE ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard | $386.98 @ Newegg |
Memory | Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory | $339.99 @ Newegg |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $699.98 @ Amazon |
Video Card | EVGA GeForce GTX Titan X 12GB Superclocked Video Card | $985.77 @ Amazon |
Case | NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case | $99.99 @ Newegg |
Power Supply | Corsair 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $129.99 @ Newegg |
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) | $97.89 @ OutletPC |
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
Total (before mail-in rebates) | $3895.57 | |
Mail-in rebates | -$30.00 | |
Total | $3865.57 | |
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Actually it's far from my computer. GTX680, max V mobo, i770k, and 16 gigs of ram. I stream and record everything just fine with my PC capture card. This thing was a pile when I had it. And as I said at the end of my comment, it could of been updated by now. While it recorded decently with the software it came with, trying to record with any other source was a no go. There was plenty of audio desync and drop out with OBS. Both have been updated by now and both probably work a lot better now. But as I said when I first had it, it was a pile.
I currently use http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-Recorder-C985-Capture-Stream/dp/B007UXJ6LE
Just a few months ago you could of easily googled "elgato game capture hd60 audio desync/drop out" and found plenty of posts about it.
The second option is to buy it directly from AVerMedia/Amazon for $180. Doesn't get you a free headset, but for people who are wary about Newegg, it's another choice.
I use the Live Gamer HD.
http://www.amazon.com/AVerMedia-C985-Gamer-1080p-Capture/dp/B007UXJ6LE
It might seem a bit pricey, but it's worth the cost to me. When you're recording locally it does all of the work and takes the burden off your CPU. This means that I can record at ultra high quality without incurring any performance issues on my PC. The only negative is that 1080p capture is limited to 30 FPS. I don't really find this to be all that big of an issue, though. 720p and below can all be recorded at 60 FPS.
Software-wise, FRAPS is decent, but if your PC can't handle the burden that recording locally puts on it then you're going to either need to upgrade your PC or grab a capture card to do the recording/encoding.
Twitch is basically the platform. If you've got the App you have the ability to watch Twitch.TV streams. If you're interested in streaming your games to Twitch you'll need a decent computer, a capture card, some software and someone to show you the ropes.
Feel free to join the community over at /r/twitch to get you started if you want to be a streamer. We're growing very quickly and helping new streamers increase their stream quality and content while building community.
Software: http://obsproject.com
Hardware: Recommended i7 chip (Haswell is best if you want to stream in 720p)
Capture: Aver Live Gamer HD (to capture your ps3 or xbox video)
It's not a cheap hobby so be warned! - I would be happy to help with any other questions you have.