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In this budget range, I can see why Klipsch on sale is attractive. This BIC America sub could be good. At least it has the inputs.
The BIC F12 is also going to be a better, more capable option at $20 more from Amazon.
S760 - 400 or hopefully less. Kef q150s - $300 Sub - Bic 12 https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Start with 2.1 and get a center later. the kefs are better than all those speakers and sub is too. If you could stretch over 1k you could get a better sub at $500
Yeah they'll be fine. I'd spend the money on the receiver now and then down the road upgrade the subwoofer as that'll make the biggest difference to the sound. The BIC F12 is a good deal if you buy direct via Amazon.ca.
I'm actually thinking of offering 550 for the klipsch towers and center, getting two of these (just because it seems like 2 subs will fill the room a lot more evenly even if they aren't as nice as the 2000), the nr595, and some bookshelves that haven't been determined yet.
Yeah, the SPL120 should do the trick.
There's also the $209 BIC F12 which is famous for being a great value. It's not necessarily the most accurate sub, but you get lots of power and you can get two for $400.
I'm a huge proponent of dual subs as it really helps to even out room response. For example, I would definitely go with dual 10's over a single 12".
I've never heard the dayton subs so I can't comment there
But I had a bic f12 I liked, if you can stretch to $175 like new on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
If not search craigslist? Ifyou tell me your city I could look up to see if there are any deals for you.
I paired mine with a bic F12, had pretty good reviews on Amazon. I've been really happy, fills out the sound real nice.
Jamo makes a 10" that's meant to go with this, but realistically you should look at a room calculator or something to see what your use-case looks like.
I've had this sitting in a list for a long time ¯\(ツ)/¯
BIC America F12 12-Inch 475-Watt Front Firing Powered Subwoofer https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_EZw8Db2GWC9W3
I was looking at this one (particularly cause it matched the brand of others) and its not a whole lot more with a much high wattage(but that may not be as important as I thought)
So just snagged the JBL LSR308 to replace my fluance signature series passive powered bookshelfs that were hooked up to an AVR via speaker wire and the sub via coax .
They came with foam isolation blocks and xlr cables all for 200 for the whole set. Pretty dope!
Anyway I understood it all until I realized I could only hookup the speakers to my pc (using 1/4inch to aux splitter) and had no idea what to do with the (bic america f12 subwoofer)
So how do I hookup my bic america f12 sub to my jbl lsr305's? Coax to aux cable and plug that into the sub input on my mobo? Do I need a audio interface with a l/r and sub channel if they even make those. Help and thanks in advance!
I was thinking about BIC America F12 12-Inch 475-Watt Front Firing Powered Subwoofer https://www.amazon.ca/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=pd_sbs_23_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=22RGKG2CCSFDJK92BRZ4 but this requires me to get a mixer and it's a little over budget.
If you're able to stretch your subwoofer budget, I'd say spend the extra $100 and get this beast: https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1490303051&sr=1-1&keywords=bic+f12
Muuuuuuch much better bass for not much more money.
assuming you're asking for just a subwoofer i'd say definitely go with the bic america f12
let me know if you need help setting it up, depending on your source and other speakers.
They absolutely can be used for a home theater, but that other setup will sound better, but it's of course >2.5x the price, the center alone costs as much as all 3 Micca's. You won't be disappointed with the Micca's, but they won't be as good as the ELAC's. "Are the ELAC's worth >2.5x the price?", well that's up to you (and your budget).
That subwoofer only goes down to 35Hz with an RMS of 100w. I would suggest the BIC F12 (it looks much better as well).
How do you like that sub? I was planning on using it for my home theater. Likely won't be the end-all be-all, but it seemed a good starting place.
EDIT: Said amp, but meant sub. Sleepy, I guess.
Awesome, thank you. That was one of the receivers i was already considering. Do I need to purchase any sort of DAC? The subwoofer I'm looking it to is this one, as it's been suggested around the comments a few times. Would you recommend it? It appears to have a high pass filter.
You could also get 2 BIC F-12's for that range ($219 a piece or so.) I'd check acoustic sound design for this one as well if they stock it. These are very well reviewed in its price range also. Plus you'd have 2 !
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
I used to have a PSW10 a long time ago. IMO it's one of worst budget subs on the market. At the $200 price range either this Klipsch or the BIC F12 would make a big difference http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M/. Even the Dayton 10" or 12" would be an upgrade.
Subwoofer is a BIC F12 (link). I suppose I could just run both inputs to the sub, keep the bookshelf speakers on the switch, and remember not to turn them on at the same time. I guess I was hoping for a more elegant solution, but there I go overcomplicating it again I suppose. Hopefully the day I forget to turn one off doesn't blow the sub.
Great feedback. I was thinking of going with 1's with a sub http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015A8Y5M/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0015A8Y5M&linkCode=as2&tag=wwwpuresimula-20 , but if you feel the 3's sound great without a sub I would go that route since I don't want to waste too much space.
I am just starting off for now. Would you recommend the 3's by themselves without a sub? I would be using them in our 900sq ft basement rec room (viewing area of projector is 14x12 with sound bouncing off a nearby bar to the right of the screen). We use the projector for watching movies and some TV. When we have get together down there I would like to play music via bluetooth.
> I understand that probably the BEST bet is to sell those bookshelf and invest in bigger floor speakers…
I don't agree. Adding subs is a much better option, and that's what I'd do here, just with a different sub than you are looking at. The $60ish more for a Bic F12 will be noticed and won't end up being a bottleneck in the future - you would actually use these with slightly higher end systems unlike those you link.
That AVR is not a bad unit. If it has enough inputs I would just keep it for now and upgrade something else. That sub would be first on my hit list.
Most of the time you're only going to be using >30 or so watts to get to a pretty loud volume level especially with those speakers. They have a 90dB sensitivity so really 10 watts will get it to about 100dB at 1 meter. I don't think upgrading to get a few more watts is worth it.
Like some others have mentioned getting better room correction would help but I don't know that you're going to notice a huge difference. Upgrade the sub and see if that helps. BIC F12 for $200 would be a good place to start looking.
Go with the B652 AIR, the AMT tweeter is nice. I'd buy 3 pair ( they are only available in pairs.) Keep one as a backup and use one as a center speaker. If you are dead set on lowest cost a Dayton sub will fit the bill but you'd do yourself a favor if you stretched your budget just a bit to fit this: http://smile.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422595851&sr=8-1&keywords=f12
As budget subs go that's king. You'd have a total of approx. $390 for all of this.
Your sub budget is way out of proportion with the rest of your system. You can get the Dayton in the short term but you really should spend more on your sub. Minimum I would get with that setup is this: http://smile.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422303146&sr=8-1&keywords=f12&pebp=1422303149018&peasin=B0015A8Y5M
And really that's still skimping on the sub.
While it may work, your HTIB won't output any more power than 330w, if that's what it's rated for. You'd probably want to get a self amplified sub with line level inputs, such as the BIC America F12
I can, and have previously. It worked pretty well. I don't have exact sizes for my furniture, but it is large. The sofa, with back cushions removed, is about the size of a twin bed. It is ridiculously comfortable.
I will try to arrange it back that way. We use the bar for almost nothing, so blocking it isn't a huge deal.
Thanks again, I posted in /r/hometheater as well for layout advice. I pulled the trigger on the speaker set, and on this sub.
God dam, you’re right.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_iPJDCbK826M4E
This was my exact budget! I ended up going with the Denon AVR-S510BT from Accessories4Less as my receiver. I got it for $130 (normally around ~$250). It can carry a 4k/HDCP2.2 signal and also has two subwoofer outs so I can upgrade to two subs and I will be using this for years in the future. Also has 5 channels so I can easily add a center/surrounds in the near future.
As for speakers, I went with Pioneer's Andrew Jones SP-FS52. I got them for $180 for the pair which is a steal because on Amazon they are going for $260 for the pair! They sound amazing and my receiver has no problem driving them.
And for the sub, I went with the trusty budget BIC America F12 which BUMPS, and is going for about $215 on Amazon at the moment. When placed right, this thing can hit the frequencies that makes your chest rumble and without being too loud.
Overall I spent exactly $525 (right in your budget!) and got myself an amazing sounding system to watch TV and movies, and the best part is there's so much room to upgrade! I can upgrade from 2.1 to 5.2 when I feel, and since the receiver carries 4k, I won't have to upgrade for a while.
Hope this helps!
I'd encourage you to stay away from Klipsch subwoofers.
If you just care about big action movie bass, the BIC America F12 ($209) is the cheapest sub I'd recommend. It's a little "boomy" / inaccurate, which is fine for movies but not very good for music. Unfortunately, it's very big (H: 21" W: 19" D: 22:).
For more accuracy, deeper bass extension, and a smaller footprint, I'd recommend the very good RSL Speedwoofer 10S ($399) (H: 16” W: 15” D: 16 3/4”).
These are the BIC fh6. Once i can afford it, i will pair them with this sub woofer: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_4S5422R26EVWS4YAE0XQ
OK for that budget, here's what we can do.
$500 now = front three speakers + new sub(s)
Let's say we can ebay the current front three speakers plus sub.
SELL THE FOLLOWING:
Yama Sub = $50-100 depending on model
Para V2s = $100 (found two pair selling now for that price)
Sony center = $50-100 depending on model
So now we are at say $750ish to spend for the front three + sub.
SUB
BIC F12 $200ish
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Alternate sub options aplenty out there.
FRONT L/R/C
Pioneer Andrew Jones line, cost $200-400 total
Towers = $140 each
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-Designed-standing-Loudspeaker/dp/B008NCD2S4
Bookshelves = $100 pair (if towers are not an option)
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG
Center = $80
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-C22-Designed-Channel-Speaker/dp/B008NCD2EI
I own these Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers and they sound great and are extremely popular on Amazon. Awesome entry-level line of speakers. Just one recommendation out of many more you could get.
So now if you got the towers + center + sub and you sold the old stuff on ebay for decent prices, you are still within your $500ish budget, with room for cables/speaker wire/universal remote (if you don't have one) etc etc.
If towers are not an option, you can get a whole speaker line that is higher up, Klipsch for example will run you $450 for R15 front bookshelves + R-25 center. Still within budget + sub if you sell the old stuff.
https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-15M-Bookshelf-Speaker-Pair/dp/B00LMF41IY
https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-25C-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B00LMFYRIS
LATER = $500 more
Rears + Atmos
If you got the Andrew Jones speakers, you can now grab another bookshelf pair for $100.
Meanwhile another Klipsch rear matching R-15 pair will be $200.
For Atmos, pick your poison on in-ceiling speakers. Say we went with these 8" Polks for $130 pair (leaning a little more expensive on these since they are gonna be stuck in there and can't easily be swapped out like a bookshelf speaker):
https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-RC80i-Ceiling-Speakers/dp/B00006BMQT
EDIT: also check out these Miccas for in-ceiling, $40 each:
https://www.amazon.com/Micca-M-8C-Ceiling-Speaker-Pivoting/dp/B002YPS6T6
Finally, add the second sub if you haven't already, another $200.
So $100 pioneer (or $200 klipsch) bookshelves + $130 ceiling polks + $200 F12 sub is also right around budget at $450-550.
Some random thoughts from me here. :)
EDIT 2: and if the full size bookshelves don't fit as rears, grab the Polk OWM 3's for $100 pair (or consider the OWM 5's for $300/pair) as mentioned in another comment for crazy versatility options and wall mounting.
>Do you think this:
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>https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-800-8-80-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-627
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> would be any better for the sub?
That is actually WORSE, way way way WORSE. Basically the Sub800, Sub1000 are good for very small bedrooms or office setups, nothing more. They're way too weak to do anything bigger room wise.
If you're on a budget and still want a decent sub BIC F12 $209 https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
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>My main problem with subs is that I only have 9" of clearance under my media console to fit one, and there's not really any room on either side for it to fit either. So I'm looking at 8" (or smaller) subs, or any of these flatter types.
Subwoofers don't need to be up front near the rest of your speakers / TV, and they shouldn't be stuffed into a media console. They need to be open and not confined.
Find another spot in the room. The back left corner of your room looks wide open.
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>And do you think this would be a better receiver: https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamrxv385bl/yamaha-rx-v385-5.1-ch-x-70-watts-bluetooth-a/v-receiver/1.html ? Really trying to keep it below $300 for the receiver if possible.
Problem is this is an absolute HORRIBLE time to be buying an AVR. Prices are drastically inflated right now.
Is it good? It's ok, not great, but not horrible either. Not winning any awards with it.
5.1 is better if you watch a lot of tv/movies and play a lot of games, but a 2.0/2.1 would be better if you mainly listen to music. Either way, you can't go wrong if you start with just a 2.0 system because you can always upgrade later. I don't know much about floor standers, but I know a few good bookshelf speakers.
Here is a good setup I recommend:
You could go with the BIC F12. Check your local classifieds first and see what you can find.
C912 is only a 75W amp so I'd say go Klipsch R-12SW or BIC F12 instead at the $300 price point. Agree on the $500 price points.
Here's a rough stab at a setup in my budget.
- Q acoustics
- Subwoofer (250) Maybe not this exact one https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
- Receiver (299) https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio_visual/av_receivers_amps/rx-v385_u/index.html
Total: 224 + 291+ 299 + 250 #=> 1064
A good Sub can take the frequency deeper, sub-30hz. In that room one good Sub should do, but two might be better. Look at SVS and Emotiva, depending on how much money you want to spend.
Also - What Country are you in? I've been assuming the USA.
The bigger the Sub (bass driver), generally, the deeper it will go, and a good Sub is not distorted.
There are two setting on the Amp relative to the speakers. One is Full Range Large, the other is SMALL. Large means bass goes to the Front and to the Subs. However, in SMALL, deep bass is sent to the Subwoofer only. Typically 80hz and below. Those frequencies are NOT sent to the Front or Center Speakers.
So, most recommend that the Amp is set to SMALL regardless of the size of the Front Speakers. That will improve distortion by letting each speaker do what it does best.
SV Sound has SB and PB speaker for Sealed Box and Ported Box. The 1000 series is pretty affordable as quality Subs go. The 2000 Series are noticeably more expensive, but these are all generally regarded as good Subwoofer. The SB (seal box) have smaller more compact cabinet. The PB (ported) are considerably larger. In your space I would recommend SB, but others might disagree. Though they aren't paying the Bills -
https://www.svsound.com/collections/1000-pro-series-subwoofers
https://www.svsound.com/collections/2000-pro-series
The Emotiva are considered high value, but are more basic boxes with no fancy gloss finishes.
https://emotiva.com/collections/subwoofers
You want a Sub whose frequency response is rated Sub-30hz. Though 25hz is sufficient, and closer to 20hz is more ideal for True Sub-Bass.
8" Subs in a Music system might be tolerable, but they generally do not go any lower than most speakers. So, you want 10" minimum, and preferably 12". 15" tend to be too large.
If you want suggestions for high value Subs I can also give you some for those - Klipsch, BIC, and others.
The BIC F12 is generally considered a High Value Sub.
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/
It is 2 o'clock in the Morning so I'm blanking on other options. There are some Super High Value very Low-Cost Subs you could consider from Parts Express -
Parts Express - Dayton Subwoofer -
Dayton makes Subwoofer Drives, and Parts Express, a Distributor for Datyon has designed the boxes that the Driver are put in. SO very low cost and low overhead.
How Big do you anticipate you Screen being? Is it a large TV or a Projection Screen?
Also, how many rows of seating? You said the first row would be about 12ft back, is that the only row?
Here are Klipsch -
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- Denon AVR-S750H - $750
- Fluance Reference Compact 5.0 Package - $619
- BIC America F12 Subwoofer - $326
The Pioneer VSX-834 is a good entry level 7.2 channel receiver that would allow you to do up to a 5.2.2 setup. For speakers Best Buy has the Mission LX series and the Sony Core series speakers on sale right now. A center and a pair or two of bookshelves would have you on your way. I'd skip the sub from either set and go with the BIC F12.
I just got this one and I love it. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_VNGYTVCWJDM133363XF4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Is the (BIC F12 Subwoofer) compatible with powered speakers that have a Sub Out?
For example (Klipsch R-15Pm) or (Fluance Ai41).
I was reading some threads and reviews saying powered speakers won't be compatible with the subwoofer without RCA splitters, however they did not mention anything about powered speakers with a sub out.
Yeah id say defiantly save up a few more dollars for the B-f12 going for 325 cad on amazon ca.
I was running single for awhile which did good but for my big/ open living room I got two which made dispersion so much better.
The single Bic goes hard tho that's for sure, I only kept it at volume 4 out of 10 with -8db on the receiver because any more and the neighbors would get annoyed during bass heavy music or intense action scenes, even had to pick up some SVS feet to screw on for the vibration. I live in a nice town home with good insultation between each other, like I've never even heard them moving before and they can clearly hear the bass when turned up a bit.
I actually also have the Polk PSW10/ Micca RB42's running on an AD18 for my 2.1 set up for my desktop. Sounds fine for music/ movies but I defiantly wouldn't rely on it to fill up a living room or any big area effectively though.
Check out Z-Reviews video if you needs some help making the decision lol, he's good at helping people spend money lol, jk he knows his shit and is pretty funny.
Here this subwoofer is the same price and universally rated as better.
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Because of the current receiver prices and your budget, your best bet is going to be to stick with your current Sony AVR and not have 4K/120 support. You can always upgrade your receiver in the future if you feel you need to, but that will probably be close to $1000 by itself.
BIC F12 subwoofer - $325 paired with the Fluance Signature 5.0 package - $721 is about $50 over your budget, but would be a decent entry level 5.1 setup.
I'd even recommend getting 2 BIC America F12 subs.
They usually run ~$200 each and are amazing quality and then you can get 2 high quality low value nice subs for the price of 1 mid-high range sub.
I'd say Stick with the S540BT like /u/DZCreeper linked to, however change up the speakers a bit.
HTD Level 2 pair = $229/pair
HTD Level 2 center = $149
https://www.htd.com/Products/Speakers/Cabinet-Speakers/level-two-speakers
Also the F12 is slightly cheaper on Amazon vs BB https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M
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Total = $800 after tax.
I got mine through Amazon! I'm assuming this is it.
Yes, one of those.
BIC America F12
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/
Here you go
DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY ProMonitor 1000 x 2 for left and right
Matching Center DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY PROCENTER 2000
Subwoofer https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
I know some of those are more than the 150 per item, but they will get you a really nice budget system going. You can trim of some money on the center with the ProCenter 1000
If budget is tight the BIC F12 is a very popular sub https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_-xtdFb3N1226N
Get a cheaper sub -
Infinity R12 https://www.harmanaudio.com/infinity/REFERENCE+SUB+R12.html
or look for a used one, 10" driver or larger, powered, often can find around $50
I've set up a Pi 3 B with a Khadas tone board recently, works well if you are decent with computers. Probably ran about 150 buying the Pi second hand and the dac new. If you are strictly using airplay/bt you might even be able to go down to a Pi Zero W with a cheaper usb dac with a good result, probably could keep it under $100 with a good dac. Of course there are probably cheaper streaming boxes available on Amazon you don't have to put together
I think I actually have a decent idea on what I might do in order to leverage all of my existing speakers:
Home Theater:
- Upgrade my sub to the BIC 12 (per Zeos recommendations)
- Add upgraded Bookshelf Speakers (I'm liking the HDT Level 2's for my price range coupled with the center)
- Move my Micca MB42x to Surround
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And in order to not waste my current speakers, I'm planning to also upgrade my Desktop Computer Setup:
- Move my Klipsch sub to my desktop
- Move my Micca MB42x-c to my Desktop
- Buy another Micca MB42x-c to complete a 2.1 setup
- Add an SMSL Amp
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The total comes to ~$755 and would upgrade my full home theater setup and desktop setup (I spend a lot of time gaming on my computer).
Would this subwoofer be a good match for the speakers, or would it be overkill?
Is this the sub you're referring to? https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Are you referring to this? https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
I'm going to be receiving my pair of Philharmonic AA+'s monitors and realized I didn't have any stands to put them on. So I went scouring online and found a couple that peaked my interest, but wanted to come here for some possible last minute advise. Now I'm not sure if your expertise is limited to headphones, and IEM's directly or if it expended to Monitors and home theater setups as well. I'm currently using a Sprout100 as my integrated amp which are powering my Meze 99 Classic's which I have some to really like. I can wear them for hours and they just do not get fatiguing both to my ear or my head. In the back I have a BIC America F12 12-Inch 475-Watt Front Firing Powered Subwoofer, and will also have these Affordable Accuracy Plus Monitors.
Now that you know what I am working with. I am looking for some stands to hold those monitors. But IDEALLY I'd like to have stands that I can adjust for both close and far range listening. Raising the stands up while I'm sitting closer at my computer, and then lowering them to be ear level while sitting farther back on my couch. I love the sturdiness of the following stands, but they are not adjustable: Atlantic 77335799 Speaker Stands & Sanus NF36B 36" Natural Foundations Speaker Stand. One the opposite side of the spectrum, I'm not too fond of the construction of these stands but the adjust-ability of them seems very very nice: VideoSecu 2 Heavy duty PA DJ Club Adjustable Height Satellite Speaker Stand
Do you know if there is something out there that has the best of both worlds?
For a low budget, see if you can used speakers, receiver, or subwoofer, at least one part, maybe 2, then buy what you can't find new.
3 Passive speakers for the fronts. Move the powered Edifiers in another room or on your desk.
Clearance sale dual 5.25" Polk Audio Monitor 40 Series $100 with a matching center Polk Audio Monitor CS1 $80.
Receiver: Denon AVR-S530BT $160 refurbished 5.2 with HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0B for 4k switching.
Then save up for a budget subwoofer: Dayton Sub1200 $130 with $10 coupon, BIC F12 $200, Bic-Acoustech-PL-200 $300. Better SVS, HSU or Rythmik start at $425 or $550.
More speakers: AverageJoe's Speaker Recs and r/HTBuyingGuide Speaker Recs
Guides:
Home Theater: r/HTBuyingGuides FAQ, How to Set Up a Basic Home Theater System - Lifewire, How to Set Up Your Home Theater Receiver, also see r/hometheater
Home Audio : Intro to home stereo systems, Beginner's Guide to Home Audio, r/Audiophile Getting Started, Zeos AMP and DAC guide
Speaker Placement: Stereo Music Listening, Home Theater
- Receiver: ???
- Speakers: Affordable Accuracy Monitor
- Subwoofer: BIC America F12
- Stands: SANUS BF31-B1
With the above mentioned hardware, what receiver would be best suited for me? This is going to be a 2.1 setup only, nothing larger, ever, and will be used in conjunction with a computer feeding the audio via USB-C or HDMI (via pass-through). Ideally I'd like to stay under $400 for the receiver since it doesn't need to have every feature under the sun. Just looking for something with stereo outputs, sub output (but not necessary since the sub has a pass-through) and a 1/4" headphone jack in the front. This will be sitting on my computer desk so something not crazy big would also be a plus. Headphones will be used for mostly gaming or late at night while the speakers will be used during the day for music, movies and gaming. This can be new or used, I just want what will work best within my limits if possible.
I plan on selling my Schitt Wyrd, Magni 3 and Bifrost Multibit and replacing them with a single unit (some receiver). I also plan on selling my Mackie ProFX12 v2 in place of a smaller unit as well. But this is all going to be situated around my computer desk as shown.
This receiver has been mentioned but I'm not sure if it has enough oomph to get the job done without getting overwhelmed: YAMAHA A-U671
This was also another one that I found but wasn't sure if it would work either: SMSL AD18
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ALL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE WELCOMED! Please just give me some options and I can weigh the pros and cons of what I see everyone listing.
My plan is to eventually get the following sub: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M
and IDEALLY because of space concerns I would like to drive them with this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MPX2T38
Music mostly (tons of different genres from Heavy Metal to Orchastral) with some video games when I decide to not wear my headphones. 2.1 setup at the end, 2.0 to start off.
I'd go with either the receiver you said, or this one, which will do the same stuff and is on sale. Accesories4Less has a sketchy name but they're fantastic and I've bought a bunch of stuff there (including that receiver).
Satellites are fine, those don't matter as much so the COVO's are good.
I can't tell what subwoofer that is, I know this one is good, and so is the Dayton, which I actually have and like.
The ELAC's are good, just be aware that they are pretty big (look at dimensions and figure out if they're ok for you).
I would NOT recommend getting that center if you get the ELAC's, the ELAC's have 6.5" woofers and that center has 4" woofers. You want a center that matches the left and right, and that center is both smaller and won't match the sound signature of the left and rights.
I'd get the Denon receiver and Dayton sub, then take the savings and put it towards a matching center (ELAC C6.2, $280).
Still in stock here? BIC America F12 12-Inch 475-Watt Front Firing Powered Subwoofer
Unfortunately we also don't have a lot of selection up here either, this is a good option https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0015A8Y5M and this is probably the best value https://www.summithifi.com/collections/subwoofers/products/basx-s12
> so I was thinking 3.1
Gotcha. Also, surrounds can really be cheaped out on.
For ~$950, you can get:
This receiver, which is $270 factory refurb (recommended) or $420 new on Amazon.
This subwoofer for $210.
These bookshelves and their matching center for $460 total.
If you want less expensive speakers, let me know how much less. I wouldn't recommend spending less on the receiver or subwoofer (unless you find a great Craigslist deal).
those Arenas should give you plenty loud, I can make my Martin Logan bookshelf speakers fill the house. https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M this sub goes deeper (with good volume) than any in its price range and many people speak highly of it. I don't know much about the 2 subs you are looking at but most subs like these have a significant fall off in volume at lower frequencies and anything under 10" is gonna feel pretty weak out side of a limited sweet spot.
I just got this https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-400-watt-Controlled-Subwoofer/dp/B009F8Y7SO and couldn't be happier, it used to sell for around $600 but new versions have come out. The BIC I linked or any ported unit from SVS and HSU will typically give more volume than the sealed sub I chose which would be to your liking. The SVS and HSU are kind of considered entry level "enthusiast" subs and they are better than the BIC, but if you like house pounding sound The BIC will get you there.
There's no reason to match brands between the sub and speakers, so feel free to get any brand of sub you like.
In the sub $400 category, I'd consider: https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Don't go with Bose or Sonos. The the following would be significantly better for the money:
- Denon AVR-X1200W Receiver $300
- Emotiva Airmotiv C1 and B1 LCR speakers $550
- BIC F12 Subwoofer $212
I've left out the rear speakers which are easy enough to add later. It frees up more of the budget for front and center speakrs. The AVR-X series from Denon includes the mid-level Audyssey room correction which should help with setup. Don't bother spending much on cables - check out monoprice to pick up some cheap/good ones.
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Its probably one of the best subs you can get for about 200$.
Here's what i think you should do. 1. Buy a relatively inexpensive sound card with optical output like this. 2. Buy really, any good name brand receiver (Sony, Denon, Pioneer) either new or used (if you go used, you could save tons). 3. Buy any sub you want, again new or used.
If I were doing this, I'd comb Craigslist. I routinely see guys selling 5 to 10 year old Denon's that were $1000 for $100 used. The sound quality on those receivers is phenomenal and will destroy a new $250 Pioneer or Sony. Likewise, scope for subs. For some reason everyone and their mom is always selling Polk subs on my Craigslist. They're not bad. I went with this.
But yeah a sound card with optical will make hooking it all up waaaaay easier and sound better.
Two part question. (This setup will be for a computer in a medium sized bedroom.)
I am looking at getting a pair of JBL LSR305s. I was wondering if this sub http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1463455626&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=bic+america+f12 would pair well with them? And yes I know that's a lot of bass.
Whats the best way to hook these up to my computer with minimal noise? I have this motherboard: http://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/z97%20extreme3/ and no other sound card. I would like to not have to use anything expensive, ideally just some cables.
Thanks so much!
I'm currently rocking the following 2.1 setup
On a budget of up-to 400$ I want to compliment what I have with either a Center Speaker, or surrounds. Which would be more important to get if I was prioritizing? Most of the activity is movies, and the gaming I do is all group stuff like Mario Kart.
You're probably looking for something a little higher end. But I have a bic America f12 and I like it quite a bit. http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Also check out the Bic F12. Haven't heard it myself, unfortunately, but it has great reviews for its price.
Two setups you could use to get a subwoofer with those Mackies:
Pair them with a USB audio interface (an inexpensive one is the Lexicon Alpha) and this Monoprice subwoofer: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=605999. USB to interface, TRS cables from interface to sub, TRS cables to Mackies.
Pair them with, say, the Bic F12: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M and a Schiit Sys: http://schiit.com/products/sys. 3.5mm to RCA cable from your PC to Sys, then RCA cables to the Bic and Mackies using a splitter. Adjust the balance between the speakers and the sub, then use the Sys to control volume.
I think setup 1 is easier.
Sony Core Series floors and centers: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-core-series-dual-5-3-way-floorstanding-speaker-each-black/5926456.p?id=1219171880508&skuId=5926456 http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-core-series-4-2-way-center-channel-speaker-black/5720006.p?id=1219148662291&skuId=5720006
Denon AVR-S510BT receiver: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-core-series-4-2-way-center-channel-speaker-black/5720006.p?id=1219148662291&skuId=5720006
This would come in right about $1000.
You could save a bit by getting a refurb receiver (or get a higer end reciever). You could save a bit by going with the andrew jones.
I have a Denon 1312. It's a small room. I recently decided to upgrade my budget form 300$ to 500$. Previously I had Energy Take RC Micro's, fairly good and I enjoyed them, however, most of the set randomly died on me, I tried everything, and can't figure out why. So I want a replacement. I paid 250$ for em, 3 years ago, however now, on ehre I have been getting suggestions and such, I was thinking of perhaps upgrading my budget.
My room is however small, so floor-standing won't work. I suppose I'll have to wall-mount them. Preferably at the corners of my walls so I could angle them downwards.
This is for a Desktop PC, so I'll be sitting close. Closer to one side of the room, that is. The JBL's have been recommended, with keeping my price range within 200$. 2 40's for my mains, 2 30's for my rears, and a 20 for my Center. Still, googling doesn't say fair things about these and I worry they'd be a downgrade from my RC Micros. The Infinity Primus are about double the price, as instead of 60$ for a pair, it's 65-75$ for a single. Reviews of those however, are stellar. So I might be willing to upgrade my budget for that.
Like grabbing 4x of these: http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108P163BK/Infinity-Primus-P163.html?tp=186 for 300$. Leaving enough for a center. I already have a F12 BiC Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Far to big for my room, but it was priced right.
I know my Denon 1312 is pretty lowend, but I don't really have it in the budget to be going for a new one, at the moment. Stretching the budget to 500$ is already more than I wanted, but audio is important to me in my gaming. However I also found used pair of RC Micro for 200$. Which I am considering, because I didn't have to many problems with them, they sounded great to me, of course, until they didn't and died. So while it seems almost perfect(With an upgraded receiver, I could even do 7.1, re-using my two still working Micro's from this set), I am wary since my others died after just 3 years. Fluke, I know, the used set I buy could last 20, but still.
Also a worry that my current receiver couldn't really make use of such fine speakers.
Thanks for the answers, it definitely paints a better picture. You absolutely couldn't go wrong with that quality of 3.0. I don't think anyone here would suggest otherwise.
If you're open to suggestions other than Klipsch, I own these: Emptek in a 5.0 system with the dipole surrounds and the larger center. I emailed the company and bought the whole set for $1380. And they are known for having a GREAT black Friday sale and you may be able to get a whole set even cheaper.
There are a lot of reviews out there for these and audioholics ranks them very highly. I can't imagine having higher sound quality without spending thousands more.
As for the subwoofer - Whether you go with the Klipsch, Emptek or something all together different, even an inexpensive subwoofer like the BIC F12 will add a lot of dimension to the system.
Finally, check out r/Zeos, he is a very active member on here and has some great reviews. I know this was a wall of text, but I hope it helps and wish you all the best in your search. It's a great hobby, and we'd love to see pics when you get everything set up!
Different amp/mixer wouldn't really change much.
The JBL sub you linked would probably work just make sure you don't pump too much power into it; it may even have built in shut-off if it feels threatened.
You could probably get away with these, also; BIC America F12, Theater Solutions SUB12D
Though I wouldn't usually recommend using 'home audio' equipment for uses like yours, for your price, it seems the only way to go. Just make sure you don't push the sub too hard and keep and eye on it and it should be fine.
I'm trying to figure out the best way to position my speakers given the current furniture arrangement of this room.
I feel like the current tower speakers are way too close to the TV, but the fireplace and couch don't give me too much room to play with.
The sub is behind the TV/couch. There is one rear speaker on the far end of the sofa and one directly below the camera.
The current setup is extremely sub-par in my opinion and so I'm looking for some advice. Also, here is the other side of the room. Picture
Thanks!
Edit: Also, please excuse the mess! :)
Edit 2: Here is the equipment involved, I also included the speakers that I have in my home office
Living room (Home theater)
Infinity OVTR-2 3-Way Full-Range Floorstanding Speakers
Center channel is currently disconnected (too much static)
Rear-speakers are a cheap set that I had initially bought for outdoor use
Home office
~500 for AV
~$150-250 for Sub, one I had in mind was this one http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ or the 10inch one of same series (correction on Dayton)
The Micca's will be fine for the living room and the Blose speakers will even be okay as surround but the center channel needs to go and be replaced with the MB42x-c.
As for the sub, you don't give any real dimensions for the room (can't see imgur at work) but it seems to be say 2800 cf? Also don't know what your subwoofer budget is so I'll go with:
min. $150: http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629
qual/budget compromise $220: http://smile.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437160270&sr=8-1&keywords=bic+f12
Best quality $375: http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html
While the STF-2 is obviously not the best subwoofer made I believe each of these represents the best value at their respective prices. I wouldn't classify anything more expensive than the Hsu as budget friendly for most folks.
I literally just received mine yesterday and loving it. I would recommend this sub and this receiver for you as well (Denon just announced the new models so I jumped on the savings lol)!
http://www.amazon.ca/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/
Edit: Or does it have to be manufactured in Canada?
Not sure why you're imediately ruling out a sub. The sub can go anywhere, any of the room corners, between furniture and the seating, etc. It's not directional, so it doesn't need to fit in the little TV alcove.
Personally, my go to ~ 1k 3.1 system recommendation is:
3x Chane A2rx-c $690
Bic f12 sub $190
Denon ARV-E300 $180
Without the sub, it fit's in to your budget well, just a hair over if you include the sub.
Honestly, I can't imagine not having a sub in a HT system. most music is ok without a sub, but you miss so much content without a sub in movies/games/TV.
After some quick browsing on Amazon ca,
Bought two of these and really happy with the way they sound http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=zg_bs_172568_5
http://www.chanemusiccinema.com/chane-loudspeakers/A1rx-c
These speakers are great for the price
I hear this sub is great for the price.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009JBZFVK?psc=1
Sweet little integrated. Lots of inputs and a sub output. Should work great with all this.
Of those two neither. I'm not saying they aren't good but general opinion has a few rated better. I would look at these before those.
BIC F12 $200 General considered the best budget HT sub. If you're a basshead I'm sure it would do very well for music too.
NXG BAS-500 $270 seems to be a step up from the F12 from some reviews that I've read.
HSU STF-2 $360 Entry level "elite" sub...even though it's a 10 it should still do very well.
Look them over and do some searching on your own. I think you'll find that polk is usually not known for their subs and the Klipsch is just ok. You could always just get a Dayton 12 if you want to go cheap. I find their 8" in more than enough for music...for HT the 12 will do better.
Speakers i am considering for this are Chane A1rx-c bookshelfs (dont have room for towers as the projector takes up the whole wall) but certainly open to any suggestions
Any comments on how these would work together? I would later add a center speaker and a sub. I believe there is one sub in the $200 range that is highly recommended on this sub HereBIC F12 or Here NXG
edit: these are also very tempting, cheap Klipsch RB41
Receiver $250: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx1000/denon-avr-x1000-5.1-channel-networking-receiver-w/airplay/1.html
Speakers $250: http://fluance.com/product/AVHTB_Surround_Sound_Home_Theater_5_Speaker_System.eng-97.html
Subwoofer $202: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423338877&sr=8-1&keywords=f12
You'd have a system you can live with for a very long time.
I'd upgrade my L/R speakers and sub.
Speakers $300: http://www.chanemusiccinema.com/chane-loudspeakers/A1rx-c
That will leave you with about $100, if you can stretch a little get another A1rx-c as a center speaker.
Ok, I'm new to this, so bear with me. I am trying to make this as budget as possible but still have a good system.
I would like to keep the setup around $300. I really only need a subwoofer and a couple desktop monitors. I am thinking a Bic America F12 ($200) and the Micca PB42X's ($100/pair).
Since they're both powered I wouldn't need an amp/DAC (not until I can afford them later for my headphones). I will be running all of these off of my computer's motherboard outputs. So my main question is: What do I need to set them up and how should I do it? I assume I would just get a 1/8" to RCA cable and plug that into the F12, then plug two RCA cables from the F12 output to the monitors' inputs. If this is correct, would I plug the 1/8" end into the computer output labeled Center? Would it be easier to go 1/8" to 1/8" from the computer output to the 1/8" input on the F12?
Thanks! And sorry if this is the wrong place to post this.
I haven't heard that sub, myself, but the usual go-to subwoofer in the $200 price range is this: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
I noticed you said home theater and not home stereo. The head units in cars just aren't going to compare to a good home theater system with hdmi switching and up-converting. So for signal processing, a head unit is out.
If you are looking for subs, for the price this is hard to beat:
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
If you are looking for anything else, I think it would be more trouble than it's worth. Heck even for subs I think it's more trouble than it's worth.
If money is the issue, sell the car audio equipment and buy a GOOD 3.1 home theater setup and then later add the surround channels as you can afford it.
I recently picked up a Bic America F12 for about $200. I couldn't be happier with my purchase.
Excellent advise all around, the only thing that I can add to that is that he may consider a subwoofer - you could even fairly easily incorporate a Home Theater sub if your friend or someone else has one that they don't mind bringing. Just split the RCA output from one channel using a RCA Y splitter to go to the sub. It isn't really necessary to split both channels since bass pretty much always goes to both anyway.
I used a B.I.C. America home theater sub for my last house party and it worked out much better than I thought it would. I got lots of comments on how great it sounded. I just used the Right Line out from the controller, with a Y splitter and one RCA to the subwoofer and the other to the right input on my extremely budget active speakers.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=cm_sw_su_dp This one is highly rated for both music and movies.
If you're looking for cheap and decent, then just get a BIC.
BIC America F12 12-Inch 475-Watt Front Firing Powered Subwoofer - $209.99
Acoustech H-100 Cinema Series 500-Watt Front-Firing Subwoofer, High-Gloss Black - $249.99
I have the H-100, and I'm pleased with it. Keep in mind, I don't have much to compare it with, since I was using soundbars with gutless subs for years.
You're correct. Klipsch subwoofers are way overpriced at full MSRP.
At half off and $250, it's reasonably priced. It's not any kind of stellar deal. I'd save my money and get the BIC F12 for $210 off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M/ref=asc_df_B0015A8Y5M/
Or the Dayton Audio Sub-1500
I think that you should go with the Yamaha AVR of three you picked because of the network integration, two zone, and YPAO included. The fact that you can get it refurb with the wifi adapter is cool to save you some money.
I like the speakers that you picked out. Fluance really impressed me with the quality of sound for the money. FYI you'll have to break them in to get the best sound so give them some time when you first get them hooked up.
The sub is something that you're going to have to fix. That ML is a great unit from everything I've read but not for a home theater like you're setting up. I would go with at least the BIC F12 for your low end. You could almost go two depending the room size. You could also step it up to the Fluance DB150 or go full out and get an SVS like this PB1000.
Everyone here is being py snobby. On your budget, you could get 2 of these:
https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Or even 2 of these:
https://www.parts-express.com/bic-acoustech-h-100ii-12-powered-subwoofer--303-414
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