What is Reddit's opinion of Canon EOS 5D Mark II Full Frame DSLR Camera (Body Only) (OLD MODEL)?

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Canon 5D, without lens - $2,500.

The 6Ds are cheaper, but still a bit above her $150 budget. I only pointed it out because I see this quite often, people ask for a camera in a certain price range, and then they get suggested cameras that are 10x or more what they want to spend.

I definitely don't mind a refurbished camera and don't mind an older camera model. I do agree that that kit seems to have a lot of things that I probably won't need. Is the best website the Canon website for refurbished/used items? Perhaps this?:

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-rebel-t6-ef-s-18-55mm-f-35-56-is-ii-kit-refurbished

I also can't believe I could purchase this one with just a little more money refurbished:

https://www.amazon.com/Canon-Mark-Frame-Camera-MODEL/dp/B001G5ZTLS/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1491945066&sr=1-1&th=1

I hope to do night sky photography, but in the beginning, I will probably just take photos of things in everyday life. I might like something that is more environment resistant though. Not too many photos that will require macro lens. It will mostly be photos of buildings, landscapes, and everyday life.

Do you think a refurbished camera in the same price range as that bundle with the plastic fantastic will be a good start? Just those two items?

/u/frugalpricebot https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G5ZTLS/

That's a $2000 camera...

And the interested lazy