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CeraVe products are great. I use them, they're quite popular in the US too. Here's their facial cleanser
After your done with your workout i would say just wash your face with some kind of cleanser for the face i like the CeraVe company has a lot of cleanser, soup, mousturizing cream and they are good for the skin. You need to do at least use a cleanser and then mousturizing. Usually face mask are to hydrated or exfoliate but this is like once a week. Here is a link to the cleanser [link]
I started this one a few weeks ago and like it so far.
In case that link doesn't work it's the CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser. Be warned I also tried the CeraVe Moisturizing Cream in the tub everyone on SCA recommends and it destroyed my skin - my acne was insane and I'm still trying to get my skin back to normal from using it.
I live on a small portuguese island and I think it's better to order this stuff online rather going to a drug store mainly because I doubt they have since ''fancy'' products. What I just see around me is mainly nivea stuff.
I just did an amazon.co.uk search on CeraVe and found this. Is this what you're talking about?
I also did a quick search on niacinamide and it seems good.
Allow me to bandwagon this post. I also have extremely oily skin in the T-zone, thanks to genetics. Large pores to boot.
When you say gentle cleanser, which ones are gentle? I'm currently using CeraVe for oil control. It doesn't seem to make my skin feel tight after, but my face still breaks out in oil after I cleanse and use moisturizer.
Well, I think you should use it daily until you decide if you think it is drying you out or not. If you think it is, you should try other options until you find a face wash that isn't drying. I only use this face wash once a day when I take my evening showers. I never use it more than once a day to avoid dryness.
That great to hear! (about the alcohol ;)).
How is the treatment working for you? Any other tips you have for me? Oh and if it helps, I am a 27 year old male. Indian dude.
Also, do you take the pills right after lunch/dinner? Or do you give it sometime?
The derm hasn't given any recommendations, no. I've sent him a message but he still hasn't replied. I see that CeraVe cleansers have been recommended a lot here, should I switch to that?'
edit - added link.
Try CeraVe
Highly recommend CeraVe Foaming Cleanser! It's super gentle; it has decent ingredients and p.H. 5.5., which very likely won't strip off your skin's natural oil and barrier.
I'm using a lot of Asian Beauty products right now so I can't really recommend much but look for something other than nivea, Garnier because imo they're really shit. Witch hazel would be a great toner and look for a moisturiser for your skin type - I'm sure there's a thread about it. You should cleanse, tone and moisturise every day but of course you may need to use a makeup remover and a heavier moisturiser in the night but they are just the basic steps to follow. The products that helped be the most with dealing with PIH (post inflammatory hyperpigmentation) are snail products, I have the COSRX 96 Snail Mucin Power Essence which is really good but a cheaper alternative to get started is the Mizon Snail Recovery Gel. Also not picking that acne is the key, just let it take its course and it will come off with exfoliation sooner or later and the scar will be hardly noticeable and heal faster. Hope I helped!
Edit:Holy crap I forgot sunscreen, it is literally the most important thing to prevent aging, something SPF30+ is okay for everyday but if your spending a lot of time outside during the day then SPF50+ is essential. I live in Australia and I wear a waterproof SPF50+ PA+++ (UVA Protection) sunscreen. Asian sunscreens are amazingly light and offer great protection against UVA (aging rays) & UVB (burning rays). The Biore Water Essence is available on eBay and Amazon, it's the best value and it sinks into the skin literally like water.
Cerave and Simple have some nice moisturisers for cheap and Cerave also has a low pH cleanser that's really affordable.
Can I use face products on my body? I've been using CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser and it's been working great on my face. I was wondering if I could use it (or any other skin product) on my body since I'm starting to break out around my chest/back.
Well, for several weeks all I used was beard oil. Since that didn't work, I went back to washing my face with face wash every other morning. That seemed to give the lightest results I guess.
Here is the face wash I use. I read that it was really good at being very neutral on everything.
I have been using CeraVe Foaming Cleanser for over half a year now alongside with my regimen (Paula's Choice 2% BHA for exfoliation and CeraVe Moisturizer) and recently, I've noticed that after using the cleanser, the skin on my face get really dry and irritated. I usually use it while showering in the morning and also at night before bed. I have tried lowering the temperature of the water and putting a lighter touch on my face but the result is still the same. Is it the cleanser's fault? Should I find a newer cleanser?
Im on a tighter budget so I have to look for cheap but effective skincare products.Right now all I use is basic cheap cleanser,sunscreen,moisturizer and tretinoin.
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If I shave I cleanse with Cerave Foaming Cleanser before shaving, if I dont shave (I shave every other day) then I skip cleansing in the morning.Now that Im on tretinoin I realized its better to not cleanse as much and thus not disrupt the skin barrier as much.After that I apply sunscreen Altruist (Im european BTW)
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Cleanse with Cerave Foaming Cleanser,then apply Cerave Moisturizing Cream on damp face(I also use it as hand cream).Let it dry down and then I apply 0.025% tretinoin cream every other day (planning to work up to every day and then eventually go to higher strength).
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I discovered dermatologist youtuber Dr.Dray and thanks to her I managed to find affordable yet effective skincare products.Ive been on tretinon for a month and so far I think my skin looks pretty much the same as before tretinoin.In fact I think it looks worse (fine lines seem more pronounced).Hopefully it will get better by time.I also have genetically large pores no matter how clean they are (you can probably notice them even in this picture especially if you zoom in).Im also a side sleeper and I have a tendency to get pimples on the side im sleeping on(I even have few on this picture) + I have more fine lines under my left eye (the side im sleeping on) than right eye.I tried to sleep on my back but it was impossible so I gave up.I didnt have skincare routine until my mid 20s and I accumulated a lot of sun damage in my teens and early 20s,even got sun burned few times.I didnt know any better and wish I had knowledge back then I have now.Im certain some of the fine lines I have now could have been prevented had I started wearing sunscreen earlier.
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Once I get my finances in check Im planning to add vitamin C serum,Hada Labo Premium hyaluronic acid lotion and switch sunscreen for Skin Aqua Moisture Milk (simply for better cosmetic elegance).
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Any extra advice/commentary would be appreciated.
I'd get those using amazon subscribe and save: foaming cleanser and PM. The Cerave baby lotion is pretty similar to the PM but much cheaper per oz. Of course you gotta add in a sunscreen too. Once you get cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen down, try adding in stridex (see sidebar on exfoliation).
Re: beginner's routine --
All you need to know is cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen.
> I have oily skin, acne, sunburn, blemishes, wrinkles, you name it.
Note: the following product recommendations can be found in drugstores, and also on Amazon.
Assuming you're in the USA, a moisturizer I like to recommend is Vanicream.
A cleanser and sunscreen to start out with is Cerave foaming cleanser and Cerave sunscreen.
If you are already overwhelmed right now, just get the cleanser and moisturizer.
After incorporating these products and making sure that they are not making your skin worse, we can move onto your other concerns.
> diet changes
Depends on the person, but a whole-foods diet is suggested for anyone looking to improve their health. That is, low sugar, plenty of water, veggie-heavy, and low in processed foods.
> Also are there some good vitamins
Some people have success with vitamins, but a diet rich in leafy greens can be a substitute for most of these. Since vitamins are expensive, I would not start here.
You should definitely look at /r/SkincareAddiction. That said, I also have oily, breakout-prone, very sensitive skin, and these products keep me clear 99% of the time. It's not the cheapest routine though, so be warned.
For cleansing, I only use water to wash my face. I have never been able to find a cleanser that doesn't dry me out and cause breakouts. Not even non-foaming cream cleansers work on me. In the past I've used the oil cleansing method, which didn't cause problems, but also didn't provide much benefit. Plus it was kind of messy, so I stopped.
At night before bed I rinse my face with water, and then apply Paula's Choice RESIST Daily Pore-Refining Treatment With 2% BHA. Once a week, instead of that product, I mix together RESIST Daily Smoothing Treatment With 5% AHA and RESIST Weekly Resurfacing Treatment With 10% AHA and apply that before bed.
In the morning I rinse with water. Then I mix together 15% azelaic acid (I use Finacea) and Eucerin Replenishing Skin Relief Face Cream (with 5% Urea) and apply. These two products make a ton of difference for me. Azelaic acid is OTC in many countries, but if you're in the US it's prescription only, which makes it more expensive. Also the Eucerin lotion with urea is great but not available in the US which is why I order it from overseas via Amazon. My skin is very oily, but also dehydrated. The Eucerin stuff is very moisturizing, not pore-clogging, and even though it's pricey, a little goes a long way, so the small bottle lasts a surprisingly long time.
In the morning, after the Finacea and Eucerin, I put on Paula's Choice Shine Stopper. Honestly, this might be my favorite product. Before I started using it, my skin would get shiny and wet looking within an hour or two of taking a shower. This stuff makes me look normal all day. It can't take care of all the oil, but at the end of the day I'll look "dewy" rather than looking like I just went to the gym. I don't know what I'll do if they ever stop making it.
Anyway, you said you were looking for low-cost, and my skin is particularly finicky and sensitive in addition to being oily, so everything I just suggested is probably overkill for you. If I were you, I would start with either no cleanser, or CeraVe Foaming Cleanser (Amazon link, but you can find that stuff at most drug/grocery stores in the US), a 2% BHA from Paula's Choice, and a non-pore-clogging moisturizer (CeraVe also makes good moisturizers that you can find in stores). And if you want to control the look of oily skin, I really can't recommend the PC Shine Stopper highly enough. I know it's a more expensive item, but in my opinion it's worth it.
I had the same problem. tried multiple acne products. My best result was BP cream. Since I currently work from home. I just shaved off my hair, but you can probably do a buzz cut bald fade something like picture below.
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Anyways you can use any BP cream 5% to 10%. I personally went with Neutrogena Rapid Clear Stubborn Acne Face Wash with 10% Benzoyl Peroxide Acne Treatment Medicine. 10% BP cream apply it before bed would be better choice. Always change pillow sheets a lot, and wash the cream off when you wake up.
You can also use Aveeno apple cider vinegar SLS and paraben free shampoo which is very soothing. Suck it up for 2-3 days and you will get results. It will clean out within a week. Just keep your hygiene up, swap pillows sheets. I work in tech so I am in front of a computer screen a lot, I always wash my face 2-3x a day if too much oil build up. I use Cerave Foaming Facial Cleanser, for Normal to Oily Skin. Well these are my products. I linked em below. If you live in the US walmart probably has them or you can get them on amazon. Also check out that reddit post which I copied information from.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Folliculitis/comments/k2j8m9/neutrogena_bp_10_update_6_month_update/
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https://www.amazon.com/CeraVe-Foaming-Cleanser-Washing-packaging/dp/B003YMJJSK
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Hi there. So I would start really simple - cleanser, toner, moisturizer in the AM and PM. I can recommend you some products since I also have oily acne-prone skin, but the unfortunate reality is that what works for some people doesn't work for others. You're probably going to have to experiment with it yourself. Also most of the products I use aren't available in the US (German brand).
A couple of pointers when it comes to ingredients in those products:
- avoid anything with silicones (they usually end in -cone on the ingredient list)
- avoid non-fatty alcohols (usually it just says alcohol or alcohol denat. or ethanol in the ingredient lists). They're gonna be really drying.
- fatty alcohols (like cetyl alcohol) are good though
- avoid perfum (can irritate skin - sometimes it's hard to avoid though and personally it's not high on my priority list)
- since you have some acne and oily skin I would avoid oils and comedogenic ingredients such as coconut derivatives and butters
Since you don't have a lot of experience with skincare yet, I would keep it simple at first - if your skin doesn't clear up you might want to use a product with salicylic acid or other acne-fighting ingredients at some point, but as I said I would ease into it by just using a simple routine first.
For cleanser I would recommend first only using it at night. Only use it in the morning if you feel overly greasy, you don't want to strip your skin too much. Some cleanser recommendations from the wiki (any of these should work fine for your skin):
Some toner recommendations (apply with a cotton pad after cleansing):
Moisturizer recommendations (important! Do not skip even if you have oily skin!) - I would try to avoid creams since those are more suitable for normal or dry skin):
You might also want to incorporate sunscreen at some point (apply after moisturizer or instead of moisturizer in the morning), but honestly I haven't found one that I'm 100% happy with yet, it can be tough when you have oily and acne-prone skin. This one from the wiki seems good though: CeraVe Ultra Light Moisturizer + SPF 30
Hope this helps to start. The wiki and just lurking here can teach you a whole bunch. Just remember your skin type and what your skin problems are when looking for new products.
Hi everyone, this is my first time posting here. I am a 24 year old Taiwanese male currently studying in Lausanne, Switzerland. A few years ago I had to go through the national service for 1.5 years which resulted my face being tanned. It is now much more darker / reddish than my arms/legs.
Based on the recommendations on the sidebar, my skin type (combination) and the brands/products available in Lausanne, I am planning to use the following products.
Cleanser: Cerave Foaming Facial Cleanser
Sunscreen: La Roche-Posay Anthelios 40 Sunscreen Cream Broad Spectrum SPF 40
Vit C serum: not yet decided
I was also suggested by my friend to use the kojic acid soap and was wondering if the cleanser can be used in conjunction with the soap or if i should pick one over the other. Would be glad to receive any other suggestions :) Thank you.
Y’all I need help: I’m generally not a fan of the texture of the skin on my cheeks, as you can see in the picture (taken fresh out of the shower, but in the fancy lighting of the gym). I’m not even sure how to describe it to solve the problem! I always forget to bring it up at the dermatologist because I’m more focused on cancer things, so I thought I’d reach out here and see if anyone had any suggestions. :)
I also tend to have a lot of (what I think are) sebaceous filaments on my nose and chin (don’t think I got a picture), so any advice about that would be welcome as well!
I’ve always assumed my skin was oily, but I will admit that my comparisons are my mom and sister who both have dry skin. In the USA, for product purposes.
Non-Gym AM In the shower, wash with Cerave foaming facial cleanser. Once out of the shower, follow up with Mizon All In One Snail Repair Cream and moisturize with Cetaphil Daily Facial Moisturizer, SPF 15 (I’m not sold on this moisturizer, but I got it in my stocking at Christmas and haven’t bothered to find a different one yet).
Gym AM Depending on how much moisturizer I put on the night before, quick wash with either illi Total Aging Care Cleansing Oil or Kiehl’s Ultra Facial Cleanser, follow up with Mizon All In One Snail Repair Cream. Head to the gym, exercise, rinse off in the shower and then moisturize with Healthy Defense Daily Moisturizer with Sunscreen Broad Spectrum SPF 50. It’s important to me to keep my morning routine pretty short, since I’m often in a big rush, and especially for the gym routine I have pretty limited space.
Sunscreen You’ll note that neither of my morning routines has a specific sunscreen, just moisturizer with SPF. The entirety of my outside time is a 10 minutes commute early in the morning and late at night, when it’s often dark out already. Any day I’ll be spending more than 20 minutes outside, I generally use Kiehl’s Super Fluid Daily UV Defense 50+, Biore sarasara UV Perfect Face Milk Sunscreen SPF50 + PA+++, or Biore Sarasara Aqua Rich Watery Essence SPF50+/PA++++ (or some other hugely SPFy sunscreen, whichever one I find first).
PM First are either the ridiculous Glossier products that I bought because of the packaging - Glossier Milky Jelly Cleanser and Glossier Solution - or I just use illi Total Aging Care Cleansing Oil, depending how how I’m feeling. Then I pat on Kiehl’s Midnight Recovery Concentrate, when I remember, and follow up with Mizon All In One Snail Repair Cream. Then I moisturize with either Etude House Moistfull Collagen Cream or Fresh Black Tea Age-Delay Cream.
Hey all, I was hoping to get some opinions on my daily routine. I've been sticking with a CeraVe routine for about a year now but my skin has hit a point where it's not improving, so I've decided to try Stridex. I'd consider my skin type to be combo. Here's my routine!
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The issues: I am running out of Stridex Pads and want to see if anyone has a better BHA suggestion before I restock.
Skin Type: Very oily
Current Routine: Morning - Cleanse with CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser, use Stridex Medicated Pads or Alpha Skin Care, Moisturize with Neutrogena Hydro Boost, and then use Neutrogena 30 SPF sunscreen.
Night - Cleanse with CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser and Moisturize with Neutrogena Hydro Boost
How Long: for 6 months
Anything New: introduction of AHA and Hydro boost 1 month ago
Location: Atlanta
Thanks! Can't wait to see the results! By the way, here are the products I've been using...
Hi Everyone! I'll try to keep this short and precise
The issues: I clogged pours and mild acne scars on my face and neck. I am looking for suggestions of products and routines to help with this. Here is a side glance of my face
Skin Type: Very oily, after lunch I have an oil slick from my forehead to my neck
Current Routine: Morning - Cleanse with CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser, use Stridex Medicated Pads, Moisturize with Cerave Moistirizer Cream, and then use Neutrogena 30 SPF sunscreen.
Night - Cleanse with CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser and Moisturize with Cerave Moistirizer Cream.
How Long: On and off for 6 months, everyday for the last 2 weeks.
Anything New: Nothing really
Location: Atlanta
Thanks for all the help in advance! all advice welcomed!
Hi Everyone! I'll try to keep this short and precise
The issues: I clogged pours and mild acne scars on my face and neck. I am looking for suggestions of products and routines to help unclog my pores (maybe even shrink) and help clear up some of my scaring. Here is a side glance of my face
Skin Type: Very oily, after lunch I have an oil slick from my forehead to my neck
Current Routine: Morning - Cleanse with CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser, use Stridex Medicated Pads (Every 2 days), Moisturize with Cerave Moistirizer Cream, and then use Neutrogena 30 SPF sunscreen.
Night - Cleanse with CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser and Moisturize with Cerave Moistirizer Cream.
How Long: On and off for 6 months, everyday for the last 2 weeks.
Anything New: Nothing really
Location: Atlanta
I have been suggested to introduce an AHA and facial oil but not sure where to add it to my routine.
Thanks for all the help in advance! all advice welcomed!
I use this cleanser and this moisturizer twice a day (am/pm) since I get hormonal breakouts. It works really well for me. On the plus side, I usually get a small breakout of eczema in the winter and the moisturizer cleared 98% of it up within a week.
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I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]... a moisturiser for my face that doesn't cause my SD to flare up or break me out around my chin. I know everyone emphasises the importance of one but I can't seem to find one that works for me. I want to start incorporating vit C/lactic acid but read a moisturiser is crucial..
I've gone without using any for the past 1-2 weeks and my face seems and feels fine; no breakouts or flare ups. Is this bad? Or are the aforementioned products I'm applying contributing/compensating?
Any product recommendations would help :)
Help much appreciated!
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Background: I used to have psoriasis and eczema all over my body and face, but thanks to biologics (Humira), my psoriasis patches have regressed into hyperpigmented spots. I live in a hot and dry desert, which not only dries out my skin, but I also sweat a lot. Combination of dryness + sweat causes my face to redden.
Picture of Face: [link] (Ignore dry lips)
I specifically [want help with/am looking for a product to/am curious about trying]...
Thank you Thank you and Thank you! Can't believe it took me this long to find this site/community!
hmm, okayy. So the two cleansers I bought were CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser and KOSE Softy Mo Facial Cleansing Oil Speedy. Im guessing its the CeraVe because it says it is "Formulated with hyaluronic acid". Would I be right?
>That being said dont go overboard with it. If you aren't a guy that can grow a good beard then don't try it. I know I'm not. I can grow a hell of a moustache but no beard. I do the clean shaven face thing and that works for me. If you can do the stubble kind of like Staham or Leto has then that's also a possibility as long as you keep it groomed. Keep in mind most models also do clean shaven, so if you aren't a facial hair guy don't feel bad at all. If you have a lean face(which we'll cover later) then clean shaven actually looks very sharp. > > >* Basic face care: Alright you don't have to go overboard with this, and many people do. I have zero acne and maybe spend 100 dollars a year on my face, period. It is not necessary to have a bathroom like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho to have good skin. I'm thirty years old and people frequently think I'm in college if I go to parties. I use four things. Some kind of face wash, like this. Notice how it is meant for both oily and dry skin and helps protect the skin from future damage. CeraVe is a great brand. I usually use it in the mornings after a nice hot shower post workout, the pores are wide open and a facial wash works the best at that point. At night I use a moisturizing lotion to keep the face hydrated and not dry. The other two things are a good sweat from exercise and a gallon and a half to two gallons of water a day. Nothing, and I mean nothing will do your skin better than exercise and drinking water. Sweat releases toxins from the skin, expels bacteria, and keeps the bodies system clean. That's why you feel so good after a Sauna and people have been using hot springs, saunas, and the like for recovery for thousands of years. It sure as hell isn't for the intense heat. It's for the benefit of sweating, that ancients have known this for centuries. Water is even better in my opinion. Water balances out pH levels, cleans the kidneys and filtrates the body. It is literally like oil to a car. People have been known to see miraculous recoveries in acne and facial scarring just by going from drinking hardly any water to a gallon a day for a couple of months. Aside from being extremely healthy from a nutritional standpoint, consider that water provides you two benefits. One from a sports performance standpoint, and the other from a facial standpoint. > >* Teeth: I'm going to make this simple. They need to be as straight and white as they can. If you are an adult and you don't have straight teeth, consider getting braces. As much as I hated them when I was a kid, technology has come a LONG way and braces may only have to be put on your teeth for a couple of years to get them straight. Trust me, the few years it takes is more than worth it. There are even many variants today like Invisalign and stuff that you can get in case you are self conscious about them. It absolutely boggles the mind that there are people that would rather have chainsaw teeth and blow all of their money buying a 20,000 dollar car with 600$ payments that they can't make than fix their god damn teeth. Teeth are not that expensive, a good dentist and good insurance can save you a hell of a lot of money. You'll be surprised if you go to the dentist and ask for an estimate how little they actually cost nowadays. I was just talking to a dentist friend of mine about this recently. As far as whitening, get your teeth whited regularly and use good toothpaste that is known for whitening. May favorite brand is Crest. I'm not a huge fan of whitening mouthwashes because they generally make my teeth hurt like a son of a bitch, but your mileage may vary. In general I think straight teeth are FAR more important than white teeth. As long as your teeth aren't as yellow as butter popcorn at the movies you are all right in this department. > > > BODY > >Arguably the most important section on this entire guide. A man's body is literally the one thing he has completely control over. You want bigger arms? Follow the badass former powerlifting champion and Army Veteran known as CT Fletcher. Want to build a straight aesthetic physique? There are a billion guides to that as well. More and more guys in the world today are choosing a life of video games, Netflix, instant gratification, sleeping in in the mornings, and having cold pizza for breakfast. They are men in large quantities that are choosing to be forever alone. Most of them are men that have no clue how close to they are to the top 20%, but what can you do? They make excuses. They blame everyone else for their mistakes. It wasn't their fault their body is in this condition, it was the school system's for not having physical education in the 6th grade. It was the coach who wouldn't let them try out for the sports team. It was the parents who fed them what their parents fed them and had the nutritional knowledge of Attila The Hungry. Devour everything in sight. Do not be these people. More men in this world are stuck at the 25-50%. The 25-50% is a cancer, a disgust. Women absolutely hate men in the 25-50% and so do other men. Men in this zone are unattractive enough to not be a top 20% male, but not unattractive enough to get flirts and phone numbers. In general though women will flake their dates, not respond to their texts, and string them along before throwing them into the friend zone. Bosses will reject their promotions and requests for pay raises. Family will treat you like problem child. And you will have no respect from anybody. I would say bout 75% of men, maybe even more fall into this range. They are the ones who scour pickups forums at the wee hour in the morning searching for that right nugget or information to just trick the girl into liking them long enough to they can finally have sex once. It's pathetic. If someone would tell them the truth, and stop lying to them to get seminar sales and to sell "dating" courses, they would tell them the truth. If you aren't a top 20% male in today's society you are looked at with disdain and utter disgust by the general population. You are a ghost, a nobody. Trust me, I know the feeling. No matter how well you do in your job, the guy with the straighter teeth who is 15% bodyfat or less seems to be doing better. No matter how well and confidently you talk to a girl, she just seems to be completely playing you. Even if you get her number, she flakes and dissapears. She ghosts you. Or you get the "Oh was that tonight..". I'll tell you what. Since I have gotten under 15% body fat, I have never been flaked again, and I've gone out with 5x the amount of women I ever have in my entire life. Body fat is everything gentlemen. Read the guide to get to the next level, and get past the bullshit tactics. > >The Workout > > In general what I help guys do is build both an aesthetic and a powerful athletic physique. So you have the best of both worlds. Nobody wants to look beach ready, but when shit actually goes down their body is all show and no go. And nobody wants to look roided up, slow and stiffer than Frankenstein, unable to do a basic box jump or climb one flight of stairs without needing an oxygen mask. There is a fine balance between the middle of athleticism and aesthetics that is very possible. The ancient Greeks realized this. They were some of the most athletic people ever, after all they created the Olympics. Which was so popular it is still around today when many other athletic events did not withstand time. And yet, they were aesthetic, as seen in their paintings, sculptures, and art. The Greeks praised a body that could be both. They wanted show and go, and anything less was a failure. The great Socrates said, "No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." I completely agree with him. And with that here is the basics of my Greek Titan Program. The program I used to transform my body from fat mass, to ripped muscle. > >Idea behind the Greek Titan Program >-Get below 13% bodyfat >-Strong V taper development >-Athleticism >-Calisthenics based > >My typical week, I work out every day. Now before you freak out, this isn't that hard to do. You just have to work out for less time. Instead of having three 1 1/2 to 2 hour workouts a week, you workout everyday for about 30-45 minutes. Maybe an hour if you need to do some conditioning(we don't call it cardio). Cycling muscle groups, nothing ever gets worked without a 48 hour rest period in between. So there is no "overtraining". A beginner can walk right into Greek Titan and succeed, all they need to do is adjust the weight /reps to their level. There are only two workouts. An A workout and a B workout. We will cycle on and off for the entire week. You'll see how it works at the end. Useful Equipment to have These bands are made of super durable paracord that is military rated at far higher of a pressure than you can ever put on it. I have used them for years without issues. They are anti snap free, and are the best bands on the market. And they don't cost and arm and a leg. Of course if you want you can always use a gym and traditional weights. I also have calisthenics versions for those without either. I have provided videos for some more obscure movements, otherwise use youtube to find the exercises they are all available there. > >Workout A (Upper Body) >
>That being said dont go overboard with it. If you aren't a guy that can grow a good beard then don't try it. I know I'm not. I can grow a hell of a moustache but no beard. I do the clean shaven face thing and that works for me. If you can do the stubble kind of like Staham or Leto has then that's also a possibility as long as you keep it groomed. Keep in mind most models also do clean shaven, so if you aren't a facial hair guy don't feel bad at all. If you have a lean face(which we'll cover later) then clean shaven actually looks very sharp. > > >* Basic face care: Alright you don't have to go overboard with this, and many people do. I have zero acne and maybe spend 100 dollars a year on my face, period. It is not necessary to have a bathroom like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho to have good skin. I'm thirty years old and people frequently think I'm in college if I go to parties. I use four things. Some kind of face wash, like this. Notice how it is meant for both oily and dry skin and helps protect the skin from future damage. CeraVe is a great brand. I usually use it in the mornings after a nice hot shower post workout, the pores are wide open and a facial wash works the best at that point. At night I use a moisturizing lotion to keep the face hydrated and not dry. The other two things are a good sweat from exercise and a gallon and a half to two gallons of water a day. Nothing, and I mean nothing will do your skin better than exercise and drinking water. Sweat releases toxins from the skin, expels bacteria, and keeps the bodies system clean. That's why you feel so good after a Sauna and people have been using hot springs, saunas, and the like for recovery for thousands of years. It sure as hell isn't for the intense heat. It's for the benefit of sweating, that ancients have known this for centuries. Water is even better in my opinion. Water balances out pH levels, cleans the kidneys and filtrates the body. It is literally like oil to a car. People have been known to see miraculous recoveries in acne and facial scarring just by going from drinking hardly any water to a gallon a day for a couple of months. Aside from being extremely healthy from a nutritional standpoint, consider that water provides you two benefits. One from a sports performance standpoint, and the other from a facial standpoint. > >* Teeth: I'm going to make this simple. They need to be as straight and white as they can. If you are an adult and you don't have straight teeth, consider getting braces. As much as I hated them when I was a kid, technology has come a LONG way and braces may only have to be put on your teeth for a couple of years to get them straight. Trust me, the few years it takes is more than worth it. There are even many variants today like Invisalign and stuff that you can get in case you are self conscious about them. It absolutely boggles the mind that there are people that would rather have chainsaw teeth and blow all of their money buying a 20,000 dollar car with 600$ payments that they can't make than fix their god damn teeth. Teeth are not that expensive, a good dentist and good insurance can save you a hell of a lot of money. You'll be surprised if you go to the dentist and ask for an estimate how little they actually cost nowadays. I was just talking to a dentist friend of mine about this recently. As far as whitening, get your teeth whited regularly and use good toothpaste that is known for whitening. May favorite brand is Crest. I'm not a huge fan of whitening mouthwashes because they generally make my teeth hurt like a son of a bitch, but your mileage may vary. In general I think straight teeth are FAR more important than white teeth. As long as your teeth aren't as yellow as butter popcorn at the movies you are all right in this department. > > > BODY > >Arguably the most important section on this entire guide. A man's body is literally the one thing he has completely control over. You want bigger arms? Follow the badass former powerlifting champion and Army Veteran known as CT Fletcher. Want to build a straight aesthetic physique? There are a billion guides to that as well. More and more guys in the world today are choosing a life of video games, Netflix, instant gratification, sleeping in in the mornings, and having cold pizza for breakfast. They are men in large quantities that are choosing to be forever alone. Most of them are men that have no clue how close to they are to the top 20%, but what can you do? They make excuses. They blame everyone else for their mistakes. It wasn't their fault their body is in this condition, it was the school system's for not having physical education in the 6th grade. It was the coach who wouldn't let them try out for the sports team. It was the parents who fed them what their parents fed them and had the nutritional knowledge of Attila The Hungry. Devour everything in sight. Do not be these people. More men in this world are stuck at the 25-50%. The 25-50% is a cancer, a disgust. Women absolutely hate men in the 25-50% and so do other men. Men in this zone are unattractive enough to not be a top 20% male, but not unattractive enough to get flirts and phone numbers. In general though women will flake their dates, not respond to their texts, and string them along before throwing them into the friend zone. Bosses will reject their promotions and requests for pay raises. Family will treat you like problem child. And you will have no respect from anybody. I would say bout 75% of men, maybe even more fall into this range. They are the ones who scour pickups forums at the wee hour in the morning searching for that right nugget or information to just trick the girl into liking them long enough to they can finally have sex once. It's pathetic. If someone would tell them the truth, and stop lying to them to get seminar sales and to sell "dating" courses, they would tell them the truth. If you aren't a top 20% male in today's society you are looked at with disdain and utter disgust by the general population. You are a ghost, a nobody. Trust me, I know the feeling. No matter how well you do in your job, the guy with the straighter teeth who is 15% bodyfat or less seems to be doing better. No matter how well and confidently you talk to a girl, she just seems to be completely playing you. Even if you get her number, she flakes and dissapears. She ghosts you. Or you get the "Oh was that tonight..". I'll tell you what. Since I have gotten under 15% body fat, I have never been flaked again, and I've gone out with 5x the amount of women I ever have in my entire life. Body fat is everything gentlemen. Read the guide to get to the next level, and get past the bullshit tactics. > >The Workout > > In general what I help guys do is build both an aesthetic and a powerful athletic physique. So you have the best of both worlds. Nobody wants to look beach ready, but when shit actually goes down their body is all show and no go. And nobody wants to look roided up, slow and stiffer than Frankenstein, unable to do a basic box jump or climb one flight of stairs without needing an oxygen mask. There is a fine balance between the middle of athleticism and aesthetics that is very possible. The ancient Greeks realized this. They were some of the most athletic people ever, after all they created the Olympics. Which was so popular it is still around today when many other athletic events did not withstand time. And yet, they were aesthetic, as seen in their paintings, sculptures, and art. The Greeks praised a body that could be both. They wanted show and go, and anything less was a failure. The great Socrates said, "No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." I completely agree with him. And with that here is the basics of my Greek Titan Program. The program I used to transform my body from fat mass, to ripped muscle. > >Idea behind the Greek Titan Program >-Get below 13% bodyfat >-Strong V taper development >-Athleticism >-Calisthenics based > >My typical week, I work out every day. Now before you freak out, this isn't that hard to do. You just have to work out for less time. Instead of having three 1 1/2 to 2 hour workouts a week, you workout everyday for about 30-45 minutes. Maybe an hour if you need to do some conditioning(we don't call it cardio). Cycling muscle groups, nothing ever gets worked without a 48 hour rest period in between. So there is no "overtraining". A beginner can walk right into Greek Titan and succeed, all they need to do is adjust the weight /reps to their level. There are only two workouts. An A workout and a B workout. We will cycle on and off for the entire week. You'll see how it works at the end. Useful Equipment to have These bands are made of super durable paracord that is military rated at far higher of a pressure than you can ever put on it. I have used them for years without issues. They are anti snap free, and are the best bands on the market. And they don't cost and arm and a leg. Of course if you want you can always use a gym and traditional weights. I also have calisthenics versions for those without either. I have provided videos for some more obscure movements, otherwise use youtube to find the exercises they are all available there. > >Workout A (Upper Body) >
I have an at-the-end-of-my-rope question: I've always considered my skin dry, but for the past year I've been breaking out like crazy. Is it possible I actually have dehydrated skin and have been smothering it? The pimples I get are like one step up from closed comedones - red, leave hyperpigmentation, never come to a head. They aren't painful or hormonal, and span my forehead, nose and cheeks. In the past six months I've tried the following without any effect:
I've been to two in-person dermatologists, one online (curology), an allergist and my regular doctor. Any help anyone could provide would be welcome at this point. Thanks in advance!
No problem. I've used Cetaphil products in the past and haven't had any issues. For the past few years I've had good success with CeraVe products however. I use both the Foaming Facial Cleanser and Moisturizing Cream in the tub and highly recommend both. They're very easy on the skin. But as long as you don't suspect the Cetaphil moisturizer of causing breakouts, you're probably OK to keep using it. But I would definitely make sure you're moisturizing every day to keep your skin healthy.
First of all, I agree with the suggestion that you check out r/skincareaddiction. More specifically, without knowing more about your skin, here is what I'd recommend for you:
A very simple facial cleanser like this CeraVe one - or check out the list they have on the sidebar in Skincare Addiction. Use this once in the morning and once at night before bed
Stridex pads in the red box. These will help with your acne/ingrown hairs. You can use it on your face, arms, wherever. Start off using this once every day or every other day...You don't want to stress your skin out by doing too much too fast.
A simple moisturizer like this. Use it after washing your face (or after using your Stridex pads).
For your lips and nails I highly recommend getting Aquaphor Healing Ointment to use on both your lips and your cuticles. Aquaphor has a different product designated for lip treatment but IMO the healing ointment works much better on dry lips (plus it's multi-purpose).
Also, if you can afford it, go get a manicure (yes it is possible for men to get manicures...they can clean up your nails for you). Then try to maintain the work they've done on your own with your nail clippers/scissors.
For your hair since you haven't told us too much about it... If you can afford it, go get your hair (and beard?) cut professionally and ask the stylist for very specific tips and product recommendations. Ask them how you should be styling your hair and how often you should be washing it and getting it cut.
Good for your for working on self-improvement! Good luck!
Based on another comment I got, it looks as though I simply applied too much of the CreaVe cream to my dry face, instead of using a pea sized amount when damp. I think I'll give it a few more goes before switching over, but if I do, I'll absolutely go with one that's gel based since it does seem to be the lightest, which I'd like.
Which of these cleansers would you suggest I use - CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser or Neutrogena Ultra Gentle Daily Cleanser? I'm leaning towards the second since it's 2.5x less expensive, but I'll pay more if it will do a much better job.
Finally, would using both the cleanser and moisturizer in the AM and PM be enough for now? Just debating whether or not I should use it a third time midday or so if I'm especially oily that day. I think I'll hold off on the BHA for now, and add it in in a few weeks if this routine doesn't really help. Thanks again for the reply!
I just got my facial sebbhoreic dermatitis under control and unsure of what products to use to keep my skin clear of acne/blackheads etc. Before my dermatitis was diagnosed I was using this cerave cleanser with this moisturiser. The cleanser made my face tight whilst the moisturiser exacerbated the dermatitis so I've stopped both; I read something about it here.
Re: cleanser, some people have recommended Neutrogena but I can't find it in Australia; we only have this. Is it comparable? What about a moisturiser?
Help appreciated!
Thanks so much for the reply, it really helped! I think I actually applied the Creave cream wrong, which caused the oiliness. I pretty much just went in using it blind, so I used around 3x the product you suggested, and did it with a dry face. Guess I now know why it didn't feel great, huh :) I'll try it out like you said for a few more days, and if it still doesn't feel right, I might try switching over to Neutrogena hydro boost gel since it was recommended to me as being a lightweight alternative in another comment.
Which of these cleansers would you suggest I use - CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser or Neutrogena Ultra Gentle Daily Cleanser? I'm leaning towards the second since it's 2.5x less expensive.
I'll stick to these things for a week or two and then decide whether adding in a BHA is necessary or not. In the mean time, I'll just continue washing my face with my hands in the AM and PM with these products, and hopefully that'll solve my issues. Thanks again for all the help you've provided, I really appreciate it!
If anything you need to try to moisturize and be very gentle on your skin.
Something like Cerave face wash and a light coating of Cerave moisturizer immediately after. If you have any aloe you can put it on in between these two and it should help with the pain. You can use the face wash in the shower if you want(no other wash products on your face) and then as soon as you get out put on the moisturizer. You don't want to "infect" the tub with whatever is causing your facial problems, so don't double dip.
You can buy these at target, walmart, amazon, anywhere really. In the skin care section.
but im not a dermatologist, so don't necessarily take my word for it. I don't even know that its dermatitis for sure. but in your situation this is what I would do in the meantime. Make sure you tell the doctor it actually hurts and burns and flakes. Thats kinda key. Normal acne isnt like that.
If you want to keep using the epiduo, you would put it on in between the two cerave products.
I need help creating my routine. Here's my situation: [link]
I've looked at the sidebar and am thinking about this cleanser and this moisturizer. I plan on moisturizing AM and PM, then cleansing PM. Although, I'm not sure which acne cream to use or when to use it.
Any feedback would be nice, thanks!
From past experiences my skin doesn't like benzoyl peroxide.
Im thinking Cerave Foaming Cleanser for morning and night cleansing. For moisturizer Cerave PM lotion, someone said i can use it during the day too if i just apply my own sunscreen over it. And since my skin gets sweaty/oily during the day ima get Yes to tomatoes blemish clearing towelettes
Not sure what product you want, but I regularly buy the Foaming Cleanser from here. I usually buy a few bottles at a time to keep shipping costs reasonable.
evening - some kind of oil to remove makeup (jojoba or olive), gentle face wash (I like CeraVe foaming facial cleanser uk link - NOT the hydrating one, it doesn't actually clean. Or Clean and Clear's foaming cleanser.
then, on alternating nights
1) salicylic acid, 2%, better if it's not alcohol based. let that dry, then benzoyl peroxide, 2% if you can get it, I'm stuck with 5%.
2) some kind of exfoliant, AHA or mandelic, whatever works.
Morning: rinse face with water. A vitamin C serum, then sunscreen. I've posted about ss three times today, I can only handle zinc ones - no chemicals, no titanium dioxide. Because the paradox with those is they break me out, causing more scars, more problems, etc. I just got this - edit, correct link now, which I hope is more elegant than the last one I had (which didn't break me out or let me burn but is a bit chalky).
Issue: Getting on the wagon, need help and recommendations/etc.
Skin Type: Oily, Blemish-Prone (Not completely sure, pics attached below can give more info/etc. I sweat like a pedo in daycare and shine^bright^like^a^diamond, so there's that.)
Previous Routine/Experience?: Only skin routine or care I do is washing my face with water couple times throughout the day. I used this cleanser/whatev they gave us at school for 4 or so months (PM only) half a year ago (Was quite harsh, but kinda adjusted to it. I think?), and that's about it.
About: Young lad, live in [very] hot environment (Soon to move out, <1year) and lead an active lifestyle. Crazy beakouts couple years ago coupled with cocaine hands got my face fucked up for life.
Location: UAE, will be buying my shit from Amazon US and shipping it here. Don't worry too much about this unless you know some local stuff that's of appropriate price.
Other/Pictures: [link]
///Routine
Cleanser: Went with the recommendations and chose Cerave Foaming Facial Cleanser, 12oz. Best price, ships here, generally well received. Not much.
Moisturizer: Went with CeraVe Moisturizing Cream w/ Pump, 16z. Good price, ships, got a pump (Hey!), well received. Same old.
Sunscreen: Sweat a lot and lead an active lifestyle, so need a waterproof sunscreen for the morning-noon/school period. Considered a lot of options, but I constricted it to these as they are the only ones that are waterproof, ship here and are priced reasonably (Not so). However, I will surely not get anything with Octinoxate due to it's link with Endocrine disturbances (Something which I need very less of, especially currently) and all. Will also not get the All-Chemical Paula's Choice because it's just fucked. That leaves the EltaMD and the CeraVe. The CeraVe has a greasy texture that doesn't go away (Or so they say) and leaves a very pronounced white tint, and the EltaMD has better UVA protection and is tinted to somewhat my skin tone, so I decided to get it. If you have any suggestions/recommendations/etc., please do drop them below.
Exfoliant: Went with a BHA cause it's simpler and is recommended for oily skin. Problem is I'm afraid Stridex Maximum Strength Pads will be too harsh and unusable (Big no-no, can't return it and shipping rates are crazy). Neutrogena Rapid Clear Acne Defense Face Lotion, 1.7oz and Olay Age Defying Classic Night Cream, 2oz ship here too but I don't know man.
OCM: To remove waterproof sunscreen not else. Found this quite cheap baby oil called Corine De Farme Baby Massage Body Oil (Ingredients: Paraffinum Liquidum, Parfum, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis Oil), but I honestly don't know anything about this so I just want some input.
AM: Cleanse->Moisturize->Put sunscreen
PM: OCM/Remove sunscreen->Cleanse->Exfoliate->Moisturize
I think all you need is a gentle cleanser, good moisturizer, and good sunscreen.
I recommend this as a cleanser because it's extremely gentle and non-irritating [link]
and this as a moisturizer [link]
and also you said that your getting lines around eyes and cheeks. What I do is apply my moisturizer and once that sinks in I take pure vitamin E oil and pat it all around my eyes. It's very good for your skin but can clog pores so be careful about getting it in places where your prone to break out (if you have acne)
After years of constantly going in the sun and the sea I have finally decided to take my skin care seriously at the age of 31. I have oily skin with some dryer areas away from my t-zone. Here is what I am thinking:
AM and PM Cerave Foaming Facial Cleanser [link]
Neutrogena Oil-Free Moisture, Spf 15 [link]
Before I surf I am going to use:
Banana Boat Ultra Protect Faces Sunscreen [link]
I also have naturally pale skin that looks terrible without a tiny bit of colour. I am going to use this every third day as well:
Jergens Glow Face Daily Moisturizer Sunscreen SPF 20 [link]
Finally I am going to do a aztec mud face pack once a week. What I really need is a simple routine that I can follow. My main issue is general ageing and some rosecea that seems to be related to sun exposure. Any help or advice is so appreciated!
Oooohhh. Okay. Let me see. I have very similar skin to yours. The only moisterizer I've been able to use for years, that has not made matters worse, was the Cerave FOAMING facial cleanser. Only the foaming one though.
If you can't get that one, another one my sister has been raving about it is this one from InstaNaturals. Their products have treated my family well over the years, and this one looks like it would be gentle on the skin.
I know nothing about the Clenance K; I've only used Paula's Choice for those kinds of things.
Sunscreen wise, I would recommend an Asian brand. This blog does an excellent job of giving a general overview on three popular types. And I'm sure a general search of "Asian sunblock" either here or over at /r/makeupaddiction will turn up a good variety.
Personally, I've benefited more from a prescription Retinol cream from my family doc than from Tretinoin at this point. Although, not everyone's skin is the same in that regard, it may be worth investigating and is relatively cheap, even over here (~$20).
Hopefully this will help to give you some ideas. PM me if you have any questions, and I'll try to help!
Cleanse, dry, exfoliate, let it air dry then moisturizing cream. This routine works for me. Read the FAQ you animal.
You should definitely use a cleanser at night to get the grime of the day off, and your sunscreen. The sidebar has Cleanser recs and a personal favorite of mine is Cerave Foaming. It is a foaming cleanser, but is really good for dry skin types, especially if you start moisturizing
In the morning for your (need something here step), you don't really need something there! Just going straight from splashing with water to moisturizing is fine. I did notice you said A/BHA at night so you can use your BHA at this step, and your AHA at night if you feel your skin can handle the exfoliation (it's flaking right now so I don't recommend it). Or if you decide on a BP (see below) it could be used here and then you could exfoliate at night.
If you want to try a retinol PocketDerm has a great service for acne. There's a referral thread in the sidebar for your first month free and after then it's $20 a month to talk to a dermatologist and get your prescription shipped. Or you can go your derm for a prescription.
A great Benzoyl Peroxide product is the Paula's Choice 2.5% Benzoyl Peroxide. It is really gentle; I am on my third bottle of it. Using a referral code from this thread will get you $10 off which makes the bottle so cheap for your first try!
The rest of your routine looks great! Let me know if this helps
I would definitely say that you need a foaming cleanser to follow the oil cleansing in your routine. Skincare Addiction (as well as I) love CeraVe Foaming Cleanser. It is effective but gentle and non-drying.
ACV is very strong so I would recommend skipping it. If you are looking to replace it with an exfoliant that will help your acne, you can use Stridex in the Red Box after you cleanse. Wait 20 minutes after this step for it to work effectively before continuing.
Coconut oil is very comedogenic, so I would recommend replacing that with a different moisturizer. CeraVe makes an AM moisturizer with SPF as well as a PM version. They include non-comodegenic ingredients that will moisturize your skin and fade acne spots.
Good luck!
Any of these work fine or any foaming cleanser like previously stated
Are you also using a foaming cleanser? My preference is to use oil cleansing and then foaming cleanser to get the dirty oil off for sure. I know a lot of people swear by just OCM but I don't buy it; either way YMMV. Something like CeraVe Foaming is good and a nice price point.
For the body sunscreen: I use Banana Boat Kids SPF 50, and really like it. It's hard to rub in and leaves a white cast (which isn't noticeable on my pale skin) but you can't be the protection it offers. The smell is very minimal.
To answer your sunscreen question: no, the sunscreen doesn't act as a moisturizer, you should be layering it OVER a separate moisturizer.
An AHA is a chemical exfoliant. This thread explains it thoroughly, but a simple explanation is that AHA's help your skin by exfoliating away dead skin to reveal "plumper" skin underneath. If you have issues with your skin texture (rough and bumpy) or PIH (dark marks left behind by acne) then you could benefit from an AHA. If you don't have these issues, I wouldn't bother adding one. AHA's increase your skin's sensitivity to the sun, and since you already burn easily this would not help that.
For KP: I have it too and have found no "true" way to get rid of it. Currently i am exfoliating in the shower with a Salux Cloth and moisturizing with a generic dupe of AmLactin 12% Moisturizing Lotion and have managed to reduce the appearance some.
Hope this answers everything!
Would these products be good to start with:
They're all from the SCA website.
From my last reply: > > Would these products be good to start with: > > * CeraVe Foaming Facial Cleanser > > * Paula's Choice Skin perfecting 1% BHA Lotion Exfoliant > > * CeraVe Moisturizing Facial Lotion > > > They're all from the SCA website. >
Btw, never mind about the lotion question. Even I don't know what I was asking there..
I'm also thinking of using Oil-Free Acne Stress Control® Triple-Action Toner for my bacne since I have it lying around. This would be classified as an exfoliating product right?
Yeah I think the fine bumps are my fault. I noticed she may be getting acne prone and got her Neutrogena Clear Pore mask/wash. It's Benzo, and I think its too harsh for her. I just discovered /r/SkincareAddiction and have replaced my regime. I got this: [link] and this: [link] and we will share it. I got some more expensive sunscreen I will not share with her lol, I can have ONE thing right? So hence looking for something appropriate for her. I also had her using Oil of Olay orginal pink bottle, we will throw that away when the new stuff comes in. I got her stridex in the red box because I noticed her nose is getting the tiny black heads. I am on top of getting her used to a healthy regime and sunblock sunblock sunblock. I'll research the BB Creams I can get in the drug store and pick one, and thanks for telling me about Elf, I'll do that as well. I was never big on blush either.
Yes yes of course mascara! But in brown because of her light skin and hair, I think black would be too dramatic to start out with. I was thinking maybe a brown eyeliner...maaaaybe. I didn't even think of brows, I will be pointing her to YouTube for Urban Decay palette tutorials. I'll wait and see if she gets interested in brows. I am not a fan of it, but I am not a fan of much make up at all, if she wants to give it a go, I'll support it. Thank you for your detailed response :)
Edit: I love looking at this sub, I am not a fan of messing with make up, but it's fun when I am bored, but it's not a daily or even weekly thing for me.