There is some compelling evidence that Ruby "went crazy" due to the fact that the psychiatrist who went to "talk" to him in jail was actually an MKULTRA psychiatrist (i.e. knows how to fuck up people's brains).
Sounds ridiculous, as though we're just mashing together conspiracy theories, but look into it.
It's covered in the book Chaos by Tom O'Neill.
Watch Wormwood now. Documentary of the Frank Olson murder - Mk Ultra obviously plays a huge role - totally fascinating. If you want to really get into it - I just finished this book Chaos (https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559) and it would shock you how many things that program touched that then showed up in popular culture/american life.
Ive been on a scifi kick lately. Project Hail Mary and Recursion are both amazing. I just started Chaos. Its a book about how the FBI had a huge role in the Manson Murders. Manson was part of a government study while in prison plus theres so much newer info. https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
If you're into rabbit holes check out Tim Oniell's recent book (link below) laying out slews of evidence that Charles Manson was an agent of the CIA except the narrative there is the opposite. That the CIA and FED were led by radically-hyper conservatives that aimed to quash the counter culture movement (because anti war, anti american exceptionalism, etc) by creating an image of the hippies as filthy drug induced psychotic murderers, by grooming Manson and his followers. If you love conspiracies this book is excellent as well as compelling.
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Book: Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties
I’m a little conflicted after reading the boom CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties. So much fraud and cover-ups in that prosecution and there’s no telling what Manson did to her and how he was aided by people such as his parole officer and people with deep ties to MKULTRA etc.
I listened to an interview with a guy who spent 20 years doing research on the Manson Cult and he said the EXACT same thing.
He said that Manson was in fact trained by the CIA to convince people to kill. That it was actually a conspiracy setup by the CIA to destroy the hippie movement and convince everyone LSD was evil. It was part of the war on drugs, quite literally.
This guy's book, Tom O'Neil, https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
Or more likely they know they would lose
He didn't fail on his book it's a best seller and is popular
He missed his deadline cause he kept finding more and more
I doubt it cause you forgot about reeve witson and roger Smith and ignore the connections to the cia
Here https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
this book explains all that
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
the whole helter skelter thing was invented by Bugliosi et al. A government agent had infiltrated the family and actually stood by and let it all happen, or possibly encouraged it to happen.
He used LSD and meditation to mold personalities similar to how psychedelic are used to undo depression and grow brain cells. He got it from the CIA. Better eDuCAtE yourself.
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
Manson's "family" appear to have been an op as well.
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559?tag=search0ce-20
little known is that, even after the Tate/La Bianca killings, arms of this group were killing down into the eighties.
rumour has it that Manson, after taking up residence in the CA jail system for the rest of his life, became the head of drug distribution within that prison system (or someone was using him as figurehead). how do you go from being a "diryt hippy" to that?
things obviously weren't what they appeared to be.
This book answers a lot of related questions -I read it twice last year. https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
The Morrison reference in my estimation alludes to DRM's true intent of the film -- alert Joe Movie Watcher of the very real Elite control via mass media and Hollywood (check out my Solve Post that the two new mods here have randomly removed and replaced with the nonsensical stickied bird post -- https://imgur.com/gallery/6B9XYG6).
As for the nod to Morrison, I think Sam's paranoid rant about sums it up:
"I just been thinking, why do we just assume that all of this infrastructure and entertainment and open information that is beaming all over the place all the time in every single home on the planet is exactly what we're told it is. Maybe there are people out there who are more important than us, more powerful and wealthier than us that are communicating things and seeing things in the world that are meant for only them and not for us -- I think it's fucking ridiculous to assume media has just one purpose, right?!""
Watch the following link for further edification about Laurel Canyon and the film and music industries essentially being government fronts to control popular opinion and roll-out black operations. In the interview he lays out lots of heady stuff like Jim Morrison coming out of nowhere to be a "counterculture rock legend" right around the time his father was quarterbacking a false flag to ignite the Vietnam War:
https://archive.org/details/DaveMcGowanLaurelCanyonTalk
Also read up on/ check out: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stephen_Morrison - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookout_Mountain_Air_Force_Station - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS - https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
That's because Manson was part of the government (CIA) ! https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
i have never read chaos. https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
I think its claim is the cia was involved with the manson murders, through an mk ultra like program. it was a decent hit for a book, he was on joe rogan.
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Horan never really tied how this theory he has about christina being in the car with them ties to his cia theory. i think his logic is if the police are covering up this huge detail that there was someone else in the car what else are they covering up?
> Mick Mulvaney, a former Trump White House chief of staff, tweeted: “I’m sorry, but if a bunch of nut jobs think Trump was calling them to riot, that doesn’t mean he was. Using that theory, the Beatles were responsible for Charles Manson.
This is kinda funny because there’s a mountain of evidence that the Manson murders were a direct result of mind-control experiments being performed on him and his followers by the CIA as part of the MKULTRA project in the 60’s.
That is, the Manson family was manipulated by members of the federal government into committing acts of violence.
Just a little ironic given the context is all.
edit: To those asking for sources:
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
Plenty of primary sources. The experiments were performed out of the Haute Ashbury Free Medical Clinic in San Francisco by Dr. Jolly West, the same guy who successfully “deprogrammed” the POWs who claimed to have seen America using chemical weapons in Korea. It’s an utterly fascinating story.
ask the fed. They've been trying to instigate a race war for decades ...Well centuries really...
Not a podcast but I highly recommend the book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the secret history of the 60s.
Audio version is fantastic too.
Tom O'Neil's book Chaos
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
Some researchers in the JFK assassination community are aware of the fact that one of the doctors that treated Jack Ruby was none other than Louis Jolyon West, a figure equally infamous for allegedly killing an elephant with LSD and for his work in MKULTRA - the Central Intelligence Agency’s infamous interrogation, hypnosis, and mind control program. An analysis of available documents from the CIA’s declassified archives and the recovered MKULTRA files shows that not only did West want to continue his work with the Agency during the period he was treating Ruby, the University he researched at thought that’s exactly what he was doing.
In August of 1977, CIA attorney Anthony A. Lapham sent out a form letter to eighty or more institutions which had been used in the MKULTRA program and whose identities were suddenly revealed in the cache of documents that had recently been discovered to have escaped the shredding and burning of all MKULTRA-related files ordered by former CIA Director Richard Helms. When Paul F. Sharp, the president of the University of Oklahoma, received his letter he wrote back to the Agency and requested “all information possible” about the project’s operations at the University. To date, neither Sharp’s letter nor the CIA’s response have been made public, although a copy of the form letter sent by Lapham has been located.
In a UPI article published by the New York Times, Sharp reveals the the University performed LSD tests on animals in the 1960s, which included the time period when West killed Tusko the elephant with LSD (and other drugs). According to an Associated Press article, the university president believed that this referred to the research that had been conducted by West. According to the same article, West said that he received funds from the Geschickter Fund sometime “before coming to Oklahoma.” Surviving MKULTRA documents and his resume show that he began MKULTRA work with money from the “Geschickter Foundation for Medical Research” in 1955 - the year he came to the University of Oklahoma.
West also said that his LSD research was limited to animals, although it’s known from the recovered documents that he worked with humans. While he publicly denied being aware that the project was CIA funded, documents show that he was explicitly aware of it and he was in direct contact with the CIA project heads.
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tom o neills book chaos goes more in depth about west and ruby
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
if you want to know the true story of the manson family get chaos by tom o'neill
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
if you want to know the true story of the manson family get chaos by tom o'neill
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
if you want to hear more crazy storys about mk ultra get chaos by tom o'Neil
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
i ordered that book straight away after it had been published. it sounds like you have read it also. it somewhat forces you to draw the conclusion that the Tate killings were simply to get Davis out of jail for the Hinman murder. in fact, the author states that the police probably overheard the signal on the jail phone to do another crime and implicate black radicals in a similar manner as they had at the Hinman crime scene, and chose to do zip about it for some damned reason or other even though they were watching the ranch and raided it a few days before the killings (with an accompanying professional photo shoot--hmmm). but there are multiple other threads there as well. intimidating Terry Melcher, getting back for being humiliated in the Cielo Drive house, and a billion other things we may likely never know. the whole race war shit was clearly made up, even though from all signs Manson & Co are aligned with it ideologically. even as a high schooler, after reading Bugliosi's book it was clear that he managed to suborn perjury for that story (another book thrown against the wall in our house).
i have very little doubt that Manson and crew killed people in the desert (the deserts of CA are popular with drug dealers, from personal knowledge if not experience). and likely other places, too:
https://listverse.com/2014/12/07/10-strange-and-unusual-deaths-connected-to-the-manson-family/
every rumor that i have ever heard "on the streets" about Manson is that he was essentially a dealer, not just of mind games but of genuine drugs and of course working as a pimp. his gaggle of women was part of his wares. he was also rumored to have been somehow in control of drug distribution within the prison system, and essentially protected by the w.Supremacist gangs in there.
the number of oddball doctors doing oddball research around Manson, and his ability to avoid returning to jail on clear parole violations multiple times, and a number of other things have given me the impression/signature of a typical Whitey Bulger-style criminal informant. there have been multiples of these untouchable crims over the years throughout the country who have gotten away with all kinds of crimes, murders, drug dealing and so forth (a finger in every pie, these guys seem to all have) and are mysteriously never serving any hard time for it even though everyone knows they are responsible. later, it turns out that deals have been made and as long as these guys kept providing valuable info and not making huge waves (don't kill any taxpayers--any "real" citizens), they would essentially be covered for....whatever.
you are likely aware that conspiracy theorists have posited that most of the LSD available in the country during the 60s-70s potentially came from gov't labs, under the cover of this bloke (check his connections--much less than 6 degrees of separation):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley
there are also interesting rumors about Lookout mountain, which was right below the Cielo DRive house--
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookout_Mountain_Air_Force_Station
as for "cognitive warfare", it sounds like a fancier term for propaganda. a lot of what goes on right here on reddit, in some very large and popular subs, quite possibly are examples of it.
would people of today buy "manchurian candidates"? i mean, the whole prevalence of the zombie film in recent years has given lots of fodder to people trying to analyze the zeitgeist, now we've got the cults/sheep dialog. people cutting each other out of their personal lives over "asking questions" and being conspiracy theorists. the "vaxx is full of nanobots ready to put a neuralink in your head". uhhhh....
it looks to me like they've turned everyone into a fifth columnist/infidel of some kind. no outright hypnotism nor drugs required. just typical demonization/otherization, paranoia, and fear.
btw: wasn't the "manchurian candidate" just an outgrowth of the gov't trying to deny that they had likely committed germ warfare on N. Korea, and having to invent an excuse as to why those downed pilots kept making the statements that they made while they were there?
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/weekinreview/06weiner.html
odd how that happened, wasn't it? waaaay large of a defense maneuver for something that could have been explained away easily as "pilots in captivity make statements under duress. everything they said while there was simply a lie to preserve their lives".
anyway, i am just as randomly assembled on this as you are (but for me it's sadly permanent). i guess i now have to study "cognitive warfare" as though that isn't what all of this stuff has been all of these years. even COINTELPRO is a cognitive warfare type campaign---if you can't trust those around you, then you are utterly lost and prone to random lashing out, and if your project involves something dangerous, that will likely get you killed or at least ostracized. seems like a lot of that program revolved around making it appear to its targets as though everyone around them was a mole of some kind, and doing this through poison pen letters.
*disclaimer: i think Aaron Schwartz may have been a victim of a modern COINTELPRO style campaign, leading him to take his life. yes, i am a kookball.
This is a good read on that subject:
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
Fuck everything on Manson you've read or watched on it.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0316477559/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_82XNF9E336Z3KC3462QP
This book is everything
Read what Tom O’Neil dug up about Jack Ruby and his mental breakdown in a holding cell. For more on this https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
I don't remember that one specifically, but this book covers some of that area https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559
Wiki page on it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax
There is also a book that came out that suggest that Charles Manson was part of the program. He used the same techniques to brainwash his followers
https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Charles-Manson-History-Sixties/dp/0316477559