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> > But the one thing you can't change is that people need to be physically around other people to function properly, and to be... well, mammals. And primates.

> i have social outlets for that

I see you missed the paragraph immediately below where I explained that people start shitting on each other as the enemy/other if they don't get face to face interaction regularly. Even introverts. External Social outlets won't help your situation in the workplace where you have to work with coworkers, and perform minimal social grooming to not get eviscerated.

Go read this: https://www.amazon.com/Chimpanzee-Politics-Power-among-Apes/dp/0801886562

and remember that nearly all of that firmware is still running on us, which is why assholes like Newt Gingrich viewed this book as one of their absolute favorites. It's kind of like a set of cheat codes for humanity.

> > the same people who are saying this now, who five years ago were saying "open plan, hot desking, no offices, everyone needs to live in a city to be happy otherwise you can't hire millenials because they want to be urban" will be saying "everyone needs to work in an office" again.

> and tech workers, if they are still in demand, will simply say no and choose companies that don't demand they work in an open plan office

They didn't vote with their feet last time. What makes you think they'll vote with their feet this time. They can do math, and they make higher margins living in Seattle than they would in Columbus, Ohio.

It's the same delusion people who are pro-guns buy into - they think they'll be the best ones off in an anarchic situation, that they're the only ones who'll have stability and 'come out on top'; but they forget that others can form groups just as easily as them, and that sooner or later they're either outclassed by a better orator or more powerful leader, or are just the target of a coup themselves.

As soon as they realize that they're left to intro-sophmoric level 'but you should all regulate X away so I can control this situation again!!1" straw-grasping, which as pointed out is a 180 into statism, but at that point they're too desperate and disillusioned to even notice.

It's not called 'anarchy' for no reason.

> Ended up in the sort of monotonous, sickly fascinated stupor I find myself in now where I wonder if the world isn't just mostly populated by people who will pay and cheer every day just to see a monkey fling shit at a photo of a person they don't like.

I'd warn you, but well...

I used to love watching the big hits as well, but as I've gotten older I have a much harder time with it. I think part of it is when I was younger I didn't realize the gravity of the injuries whereas now I can put myself in the players shoes a lot better.

As to why - we are violent species. Read Chimpanzee Politics. It will explain a lot.

Regarding the number of kids that die playing the sport, did you know that 40k people die each year in in America in car wrecks? That over 90k people die each year in America due to medical mistakes? That means on average 246 people died today due to a medical fuck up and 109 died in a car wreck. But no one mourns them like a football player because they aren't famous or playing a game for a living.

I'm not trying to belittle the impact of the football injuries. I'm just trying to put it in perspective with common non-illness causes of death in this country. I haven't run the numbers but I'm willing to bet the incidence of football related death is much lower than those two categories.

He's strong and a lot of fun but is quite awkward to initially learn. Weakest raw movement in the game but many moves carry momentum in one direction or another. Reverse mixups, dancing in minus frames, conditioning, chad reads... he's got a lot going for him despite a lot holding him back.

Check out Scavenger, Heaton, lessthanlee and RipCityOutlaws sets at this years evo and you'll see a wide pallet of different ways to drive this lumbering boat of a character.

Pantocrator also shares a lot of his knowledge in his episode of Way of the Blade.

D3xus is a strong swedish player who probably plays the most aggressive out of the tournament siegs out there if you want to see what a rushdown sieggy looks like. No timestamps here but he had many good sets to watch at WUFL last year. Panto was here too.

Last and definitely least is myself, an Aussie who's sole purpose is to unleash a chaotic neutral force on my local brackets once in a blue moon. My goal isn't to win but to make sure we all lose. For a full abstract please read Frans de Waals' work on breaking down this particular playstyle.

Yeah I think it was from this book

Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex among Apes https://www.amazon.com/Chimpanzee-Politics-Power-among-Apes/dp/0801886562

You should read Chimpanzee Politics; it's short and excellent

“Chimpanzee Politics: Power and Sex among Apes” by Frans de Waal, a Dutch primatologist

https://www.amazon.com/Chimpanzee-Politics-Power-among-Apes/dp/0801886562

That's a great book on the subject. I can go dig up some papers online if you want more.

isso acho que acontece em qualquer lugar. Eu li um livro que falava sobre chimpanzés (https://www.amazon.com.br/Chimpanzee-Politics-Power-Among-Apes/dp/0801886562 esse daqui, tem naquele site que começa com lib e termina com gen.io, mas só tem em inglês), e eles têm uma identidade de grupo muito forte, tanto que são bem cruéis com membros de outros grupos (essa parte do livro assusta um pouco se você considerar que nós temos 99% do DNA igual ao deles).

Eu vi um texto na internet falando sobre esse comportamento, chimpanzés formando grupos para exterminar outros chimpanzés de grupos vizinhos. E esse livro confirma isso, mas também mostra um outro lado deles que é bom, tem uns casos de chimpanzés machos (se você ler o livro vai ver que eles são o cúmulo da trogloditagem, sério, nem vou comentar sobre porque é grotesco) que adotam uns filhotes órfãos e tratam eles como se fossem as mães.

Esse mérito de um animal se bom ou ruim soa meio estranho, mas ainda acho válido o comparativo com o homem. Se pegar o caso de como o nazismo surgiu, por exemplo.

O povo alemão do tempo de hitler sabia ler e era muito bem educado, uma "civilização top" do ponto de vista cultural. O país estava numa crise, um ambiente que crie tensão nas pessoas é importante, o que acaba ferindo essa condição de racionalidade que a gente considera intrínseca do ser humano.

O resto se desenrola do mesmo jeito que os chimpanzés, ele criou um 'grupo vizinho' e deu no que deu.

Por isso que se deve ter cautela quando acontecem situações que tentam dividir as pessoas em grupos antagônicos. O resultado disso é barbárie e o outro perde a condição de humano quando esse processo chega no auge. E isso tá presente em diferentes esferas de poder, a divisão em facções criminosas e a maneira cada vez mais violenta que elas se enfrentam também dá pra ser usada como exemplo.

Não sei como resolver esse "problema", mas chamar a atenção pro fato, que essa tendência existe e as consequências de sucumbirmos a ela, acho que é um começo. Claro que tem gente que vai ficar p da vida, principalmente por causa de religião, que não dá pra comparar o homem com o macaco e sei lá o que mais.

Bom, chega. Escrevi demais, mas o livro é bem legal. Eu li ele numa época que tava meio pessimista e acabou me dando novas esperanças.

Faltou uma coisa, não pense que eu me considero "imunizado" desse tipo de comportamento só porque "entendi" isso. Os 99% ainda tão tudo aqui nas minhas células só esperando uma fraquejada.

>"no voluntary government is possible" -- empirically false. most of human history (prior to Sumer) was organized that way. Catalonia has organized itself that way. the paris commune is the most famous example. and today in Rojava, northern syria, they are living in a stateless democracy. r/rojava

All of human history has had governments and power monopolies. At first we had alpha males ruling over groups of apes, dividing the food. Then apes formed coalitions to divide the food more fairly. As populations grew during the agricultural revolution village elders rose to power who metted out judgement. Some villages grew into cities with one or more people making all the decisions. Cities controlled land and thereby became states. After that they simply became larger. As governments grew larger and the control of its power became more divided (through trias politica, democracy, etc) violence declined.

Catalonia currently is part of the state of Spain, it has government. It is not based on anarchism. The Paris Commune radical though it was, was not anarchy. It was a group of people who yielded power over the citizens of Paris. Rojava is not in a state of anarchy. It may not be internationally recognized as a state but it has an army (a power monopoly) and a group of people govern it.

True anarchy doesn't exist in social animals. It only exists in solitary territorial animals. All human, chimpansee, dolphin societies are societies with government. In fact the very idea of a society without government doesn't make sense. A society without government is just a large number of individuals fighting.

>believing in Hobbes is ironic because your a person with immense altruism towards other species.

No it is not. Hobbes's Leviathan allows me to do that. If I had lived in the stone age without a system of government I would not have been able to learn that hurting animals is bad. That is not a thought that comes naturally. It requires one to understand that other animals may have an internal world in which pain can exist. I know of no species which is capable of such a realisation while still being solitary and territorial. The realisation that others may feel pain (and therefore possibly sympathizing) requires a social understanding of the other. That only occurs in social species with government in groups.

Chimpanzee Politics These are straight machiavellis in the animal world.