>This is because the*IR* dems . . .
You only need five words, and two letters to express the currant state of Republican hypocrisy. Let me point you the expert who wrote the book on how republicans screw over active duty and veterans. Here is her actual book. Short take on it, Democrats favor the military more than republicans, Republicans do all the harm.
https://www.amazon.com/Congress-U-S-Veterans-Crisis-Conflict/dp/1440858365
> First off, what I presented wasn't an article, it's a very recent (2021) peer reviewed study that is way more legit than a Gallup article with a poll inside of it from 2009.
First, actually you presented an article summarizing a book that could be based on a peer reviewed study. But I didn't see if that was true or not.
Second, the article (and the book) do not dispute the claim that right leaning and independent individuals currently make up the majority share of military members (which was the point of the Gallup poll). So...that hasn't changed.
Third:
> Second, you didn't provide any source for these follow-up quotes, and just because they are more likely to vote on something, doesn't mean they follow through with it. Your un-named source doesn't even point to them actually voting on those things.
Oh, sorry. Here is my source for those quotes
My bad, I assumed you had read the article that you linked to me.
Fourth:
> Lip service.
To reiterate; I haven't disagreed with you that Republicans do this...politicians in general do this.
What I was disagreeing with you on was the implication that you feel people should vote for a party based on the stuff they will get from the party.
As opposed to my view; which is that people (while probably influenced by campaign promises) should vote based on whether or not they agree with the policies and platform of a particular party.
Fifth:
> But I will link you to the current list of bills presented here And of the many, many bills that have been presented I found one, ONE, social program bill that was in support of suicide prevention program with the military. All the rest are bullshit culture war policies. They talk about veterans ALL the time, but introduce one bill for them??? Out of hundreds???
Again, the article that you linked me, and the summary of the book it is based on state:
> Yet they are lead sponsors on only 37 percent of bills considered by the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee.
Leading sponsorship could probably go up for the GOP, but I suppose it depends on what the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee is proposing and what the constituents of the representatives are seeking.
I will also remind you that a big factor on bill introduction was the veteran population in a representative's district as to whether or not that Congress person introduces bills related to veterans.
But just for the sake of some anecdotal evidence; I looked at the introduced legislation for the 117th Congress.
There are a TON of bills addressing veterans issues that are sponsored by Republicans. And some of them seem strictly against partisan talking points for Republicans (which goes to the quote from the article stating that Republicans were more likely to support laws outside their platform if veterans were the beneficiaries.
Anyway, here is the list I found:
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/134?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=3](S.134) - A bill to direct the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to carry out a retraining assistance program for unemployed veterans, and for other purposes.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1125?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=6](H.R.1125) - To amend the VA MISSION Act of 2018 to expand the veterans healing veterans medical access and scholarship program to include more students and schools.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/291?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=7](H.R.291) - Department of Veterans Affairs Creation of On-Site Treatment Systems Affording Veterans Improvements and Numerous General Safety Enhancements Act
H.R.1124 - Veterans Serving Veterans Act of 2021
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3802?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=9](H.R.3802) - To make permanent the authority of the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to make grants for the transportation of highly rural veterans to medical care.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/544?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=14](S.544) - A bill to direct the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to designate one week each year as "Buddy Check Week" for the purpose of outreach and education concerning peer wellness checks for veterans, and for other purposes.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/539?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=20](S.539) - A bill to direct the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to submit to Congress a report on the use of video cameras for patient safety and law enforcement at medical centers of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4528?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=22](H.R.4528) - To direct the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to study the feasibility of establishing a pilot program to assign certain officers of the Armed Forces to serve as directors of medical centers of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/1446?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=23](S.1446) - A bill to require the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to submit to Congress a plan for obligating and expending Coronavirus pandemic funding made available to the Department of Veterans Affairs, and for other purposes.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5036?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=27](H.R.5036) - To amend titles 36 and 38, United States Code, to direct the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to carry out actions for certain surviving family members of veterans deceased as the result of suicide, and for other purposes.
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1448?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=30](H.R.1448) - Puppies Assisting Wounded Servicemembers for Veterans Therapy Act
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/430?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=32](H.R.430) - Veterans Cannabis Use for Safe Healing Act
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/4628?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=33](H.R.4628) - Veterans Health Care Stamp Act
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/183?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=34](H.R.183) - Veterans Collaboration Act
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1123?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=35](H.R.1123) - Veteran Suicide Prevention Act
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2326?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=42](H.R.2326) - Veterans’ Cyber Risk Awareness Act
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/637?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=43](H.R.637) - Veterans Economic Recovery Act of 2021
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/67?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=46](H.R.67) - Veteran Overmedication and Suicide Prevention Act of 2021
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1520?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=49](H.R.1520) - Veterans Access to Direct Primary Care Act
[https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/2932?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22veterans%22%2C%22veterans%22%5D%7D&s=2&r=52](H.R.2932) - Veterans CARE Act
DISCLAIMER: You very well could have a point, again, about the GOP needing to do more for veterans/reducing their lip-service. Some of these bills could just be fodder for whatever black magic the House runs under.
My point is that; even if the GOP is under-represented in introducing legislation. They are clearly still doing it; and the issues addressed in their bills are pretty diverse from what I can tell.
Finally, I cannot stress this enough; none of this is the point I was trying to make when I originally responded to you.
Just because I cannot say this enough; I'll say it again. I don't think Conservatives are necessarily likely to vote based on what the GOP does for them or if the GOP "cares" about them. I think conservatives probably vote on platform. I suppose I should look that up...
Lindsey Cormack did an exhaustive study of which party introduces more legislation for veterans benefits. It showed it was Democrats. It also showed Republicans gave more lip service.
> Providing a compelling look at veterans' policy, this book describes why the Republican party is considered the party for veterans despite the fact that Congressional Democrats are responsible for a greater number of policy initiatives. -Amazon
> Republicans are often viewed as the party of veterans, and this presumption is supported by public opinion and voting data. Yet more often than not, Democrats in Congress are the ones working to enhance veterans benefits. -Stevens Institute of Technology
Here is a list of veterans bills Republicans shot down.
Both sides are not the same. Democrats do more for veterans. Republicans blow air and do less.
It shouldn't be burdensome but it becomes so when people ask for a source before doing even a small preliminary search. Maybe it bothers me because I have always (since undergrad) needed to be self sufficient and would always do as much research as I could before asking for help.
As an example, here is his original comment:
>I actually read an article in which they analyzed actual votes to benefit veterans and they found democrats voted more often for benefits to veterans, while Republicans talked about them more but voted to help them less.
I'm interested in this article, so to find it, let's enter some key words into google. If you search "political parties veterans benefits actual votes" then this is the first link: https://www.stevens.edu/news/party-veterans-democrats-or-republicans
Reading through the first two paragraphs shows us that this is indeed the article about veterans benefits, as the second paragraph says:
>Republicans are viewed as the party of veterans, public opinion and voting data says so. But in her new book, Congress and U.S. Veterans: From the GI Bill to the VA Crisis, Stevens Assistant Professor Lindsey Cormack questions how that came to be, as her research shows that congressional Democrats, more often than not, are the ones working to enhance veteran benefits.