What is Reddit's opinion of Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition: DSM-5?

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There are two different things you might mean by this.

(1) You want to prove that being homosexual is/is not currently considered to be a mental disorder by psychiatrists.

The current definitive reference is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th edition ("DSM-V"), published by the American Psychiatric Association. Homosexuality is not listed as a mental disorder in it. It has not been listed as a disorder since edition 3-R, published in 1987. To prove this, you could get a copy and look through it - warning: it's long and dry - and demonstrate that homosexuality is not there.

Or you could simply ask a psychiatrist. If you don't know one, then you can post a question on /r/AskPsychiatry.

(2) You want to prove that being homosexual is/is not an unhealthy thing.

This is somewhere between tough and impossible. It's an opinion, so it isn't something you can prove either way. It still might be worthwhile to ask a professional. Again, see /r/AskPsychiatry.

Can I just point out how insane it is that it's impossible to easily check this, as the diagnostic criteria are behind a $150 paywall? (https://www.amazon.com/Diagnostic-Statistical-Manual-Mental-Disorders/dp/0890425558)

Is this the case for literally any other medical condition?

MRIs show the brains of trans people being vastly more similar to those of the gender they identify with. Gender dysphoria is a recognized disorder where a person's assigned sex doesn't match up with the gender they identify with. The largest psychiatric organization in the world, the APA (I shouldn't have to say this, but the combined knowledge, study, and experience of thousands of psychiatrists world wide just might surpass the cursory research you've done on the internet), states that Gender Dysphoria is not in itself a mental disorder or mental illness.

The standard treatment recognized by the aforementioned APA is... (wait for it) Sex reassignment therapy and surgery! This treatment has an 80% rate of improving the severeness of gender dysphoria, and consistently increases quality of life at very much statistically significant rates.

All this information can be found in the Universal authority for psychiatric diagnoses, the DSM-5, which is available on amazon, used, for $35! What an incredible value! Actual, real knowledge in the area of which you speak, just for thirty five bucks? Of course, buying new helps support more, real research, but even so, sounds like a hell of a deal to me.

All of this is completely besides the point that it really just does not fucking matter what people want to be recognized as and called. It makes practically no difference on your quality of life, but you have the opportunity to just be fucking nice to someone. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you aren't a professional athlete on any level whatsoever, and that even this transwoman in this shitty article makes no difference to you. Maybe cut her some slack, yeah?

Let's even continue with your metaphor: you seem to think that human beings are comparable to motorcycles, but I just sorta think humans are just people. Because of your mindset, can I buy you for money and ride you 3 seasons out of the year (assuming I have the right jacket and gloves and shit)?

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>Intersex is a DISORDER in which a person is born with reproductive anatomy that is demonstrative of the TWO sexes.

Not according to biology, dipshit. Search up the meaning of a bimodal distribution.

>Also, the sex of someone with XXY chromosomes is male due to the presence of the Y chromosome.

No, they aren't. Look it up.

>you’re the one going against science in the first place and creating the artificial concept of “gender”

I'm literally using science to fucking destroy every statement you make. You have no clue what science actually says on this:

https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/religion-context/case-studies/gender/third-gender-and-hijras https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001669.htm https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/what-do-we-mean-by-sex-and-gender/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimodal_distribution https://abcnews.go.com/international/photos/indias-gender-20240959/image-20243244 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-spirit https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/ https://www.amazon.com/Diagnostic-Statistical-Manual-Mental-Disorders/dp/0890425558 https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Gender-Vicki-S-Helgeson/dp/1138186872/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?crid=21XLITVDANF0C&keywords=psychology+of+gender&qid=1657649986&sprefix=psycology+of+gender%2Caps%2C184&sr=8-4 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#:~:text=Ethnographic%20examples%20%5Bof%20'third%20genders,England%20to%20contemporary%20North%20America.

>That doesn’t make you smart, it makes you delusional. Pretty sad stuff

This is pure irony.

Let's not forget

https://www.amazon.com/Diagnostic-Statistical-Manual-Mental-Disorders/dp/0890425558

Ah look, I finally got some blockheads to response to my post.

I assume you have no degrees in psychiatry or psychology or any degrees at all and are just boneheads who "do you own research on the internet" and "have done deep dives into this" and use what-about-ism, distraction and who-cares-about-what-people-do-its-okay-nihilism and well-everyone-is-like-that-to-me-so-it-okay moral relativism to justify behavior of things you like.

So first, let's take apart draw2discard2's posting:

1) "Professionals Discourage Use of the Term"

Not really, "professionals" actually do use the term in court proceedings, whether civil or criminal and the "terms" or diagnoses as they are professionally called are used to assess and diagnose individuals.

2) "Do you have a textbook that you are referring to.."

Yes, it is called the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5). It is an actual textbook - I assume that you dont read books. You can find it here: https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm and
here: https://www.amazon.com/Diagnostic-Statistical-Manual-Mental-Disorders/dp/0890425558. It is the number one textbook on Amazon.com under Psychiatry and yes, again, it is an actual textbook.

3) "Bad news that nearly every professional athlete (and other celebrities) display at least five.:"

That is not even close to being true but sure, if you believe it it doesnt make it true. So again, the age old argument that "everyone else is like that so that is okay". Last time I checked other athletes and celebrities are not beating women up and getting restraining orders placed against them with photographic evidence, but if you have evidence (you have none of course), please provide it.

So here is the textbook definition, again, I realize you dont read books, is the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5). You can find it here: https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/practice/dsm and
here: https://www.amazon.com/Diagnostic-Statistical-Manual-Mental-Disorders/dp/0890425558.

NPD is defined as comprising a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by the presence of at least 5 of the following 9 criteria:

A grandiose sense of self-importance

A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

A belief that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions

A need for excessive admiration

A sense of entitlement

Interpersonally exploitive behavior

A lack of empathy

Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her

A demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes

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I count Bauer Outage as having at least 7 of those, and soon Bauer will really have an outage. He won't be playing baseball.

And you don't books I assume. But yes, there is a textbook bro.

oh boy, where do i start... stockholm syndrome is a myth. it doesn't exist. it stems from one case that then got debated and debunked times and times again. it's not a recognized syndrome, it's not taught in psychology, no psychiatrist or psy will ever diagnose someone with it, there are barely no cases of it outside of that mediatized one, and it's not even repertoried in the DSM5 Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the one repertoire used by professionals in the west. What is called stockholm syndrome is almost always a lack of self-love, depression, anxiety, and a sheer lack of selfconfidence with a lot of self-hatred. """stockholm syndrome""" signs are the same for a kidnapped or assaulted victim than from a victim of abuse in a relationship, child abuse, coaching abuse, etc.

People using stockholm syndrome to explain ymir triggers me so hard. Ymir doesn't love king fritz, even if she says so herself. she has been a slave her entire life, she lived as a slave and died as a slave. she was shown to be interested in love by gazing at other couples, but she never had any of that. proof is that even before her death, the most common question is : why did she obey him after getting the founding titan power when she could've just kill him and become queen herself? -lack of confidence -no value for herself, since no one ever valued her -no sense of selflove. She lived her entire life as a slave, and didn't know how to live otherwise. and this isnt uncommon. history shows that there were some slaves after the abolishment of slavery that wanted/decided to stay slaves and/or just didn't know how to go on on living without being a slave. Ymir is this but 1000fold because even after her death as a slave for her owner, she went in paths and had to stay a slave. in paths, time is pretty much stopped. thousands of years in paths are like a second in real life. 2000 years is probably equal to an infinity amount of time in paths for our poor ymir, who kept being a slave, unaware and unable to move on or to stop. such a long amount of time probably turns you batshit crazy especially when it's in loneliness, and whenever a royal did anything, they used her. just to emphasize how different time works in paths. it's implied from zeke that ymir was the one who has been molding the titans with her sand, by hand, whenever they wanted to transform, and whenever they needed to be regenerated she didn't know how to live outside of that role. what would probably take years to mold by hand, was happening in mere seconds in the outside world. Ymir didn't know how to live outside of her role of slave, or more vague "her role of being absolutely dedicated to someone else" but she found someone exactly like her : Mikasa. For ymir. mikasa was always the heroine of the entire story. as many are now starting to realize : attack on titan is the story of mikasa, seen from eren's pov and narrated by armin. Mikasa was like ymir : while less toxic, it was still super toxic. That girl was living entirely for eren. ymir wanted to be free but just didnt have it in her to do it. Mikasa "showed her the way" by liberating herself from her devotion to eren by killing him. Ymir saw first hand that it was indeed possible to move on and to sever even the deepest bonds that shackled you for an entire lifetime. thats why she smiles when she gaze at mikasa killing and kissing eren. she then decides its her turn to "move on" after mikasa gave her reassurance and she then decides to end the "curse of ymir" and the titans alltogether, which also ended paths, and finally allowed her to rest. It wasn't love for fritz. The way eren worded it in 139 makes it CLEAR that it was more of a " she thinks shes in love, shes weird asfck " . he said that he truly couldnt understand her at all, but that for some reason she thought she loved fritz and stayed abiding to his dream aka prosperity of eldians.

as for donnie darko. damn dude, idk what to say. go rewatch it and make sure to rewatch the director's cut. maybe thats why you're not understanding it. donnie didn't change the futur. he went to sleep at the beginning of the story in the primary universe. then the entire universe got duplicated in whats called the tangent universe, where weird shit happens (this is marked by when frank the rabbit appears for the first time), then most of the movie takes place in the tangent universe where he learns more about it, and at the end of the movie he destroys the tangent universe, goes to sleep, and wakes up back to the primary universe, where time resumed from the beginning of the movie, he laughs in his bed and accepts death, and the engine crashes and kills him, which is what should've happened from the very beginning if a 2nd engine hadnt appeared and created a tangent universe. and the results of his actions are what caused that futur in the first place, because we're in a fixed timeline. its hard to understand especially with only the movie if it wasnt the director's cut released some time later. but if you rewatch the directors cut, and read the book they released with it "the philosophy of time travel" that was written by the old lady in the movie https://wakeupdonnie.fandom.com/wiki/The_Philosophy_of_Time_Travel this gives substantial information about everything you need to know and there are countless proofs that show that donnie darko set place in a fixed timeline.

at last : bird eren. i see it as symbolism. you can see it in whichever way you want. peace

Excuse you, I was deadly serious. You can see for yourself here: https://www.amazon.com/Diagnostic-Statistical-Manual-Mental-Disorders/dp/0890425558

I would imagine that is very frustrating, and I am sorry I contributed to that frustration.

It's just that I, myself, deal with my own mental health issues and have been combating it for years---Pure O OCD, PTSD, severe Major Depressive Disorder, General Anxiety Disorder, and a Nonspecific Personality Disorder, according to my last in-patient stay at a unit, and it's taken me out of college, out of work, out of my apartment, out from nearly all my relationships---and so when I see a comment such as yours (which truth be told is confusingly put so as to be misconstrued as a complete dismissal of Mental Health and Illness as a legitimate problem or concept) I take it personally---just another person judging me by what they do not understand.

I've seen Schizophrenics, laughing hysterically into a pillow and then attacking a fellow schizophrenic 90 year old black man for calling him a 'Racist ass Smurf', Mania, addicts of all sorts, PTSD episodes----the man bashing doors screaming, punching walls, resulting in the unit being shut down, everyone in their rooms, and that person having to be subdued. He was fine the next morning---calm, collected---although, his knuckles and forehead were fresh with thick and long scabs. He ex-gangster, coming to terms with the crimes he had to commit.

The previous night he 'experienced' murder.

I also research and write about Mental Health and Illness since it impacts me so. And I understand you have your own take, and studied it in undergrad 25 years ago, but believe me, what was taught a quarter century ago is vastly different than what is taught now.

This Amazon link is for the current Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders V-- the 5th edition, published in 2013. I highly recommend for you (if you haven't already) go buy it or check it out at a library or find a pdf of it somewhere (or excerpts of it) and see how disparate the 25 year old, 1994, DSM IV (and the DSM IV-TR update from 2000) is from our current understanding of Mental Health and Illness in the 2013 DSM V.

And even then, that one is 6 years old and is in need of an update.

Anywho, if I may offer an alternative to your approach at giving your takes on Mental Health (or really any subject, really): do not presume an authority over the subject matter but instead present it as your own personal take while allowing the room and welcoming the possibilities of further understanding the subject from its responses; since, just like you say, 'You don't who I am. I could know nothing, or be sharing a really different and valuable perspective', so in that line of thinking, it's reasonable to assume you don't know them either and you might learn something too.

https://www.amazon.com/Diagnostic-Statistical-Manual-Mental-Disorders/dp/0890425558

My point wasn't that therapy wasn't effective for me, it's that 99% of "professionals" are full of shit and reading out of a book (you can buy the DSM-5 handobok here for the price of 2-3 therapy sessions if you want it, or you can pay somebody to read it for you, lmao).

You know everything. We all do. You decided that you know enough not to know stuff. Not sure why people relegate their own power to other people like that, preemptively (if I had to guess, it's because people don't want others to come along and correct them, but I personally *relish* feeling stupid -- it's one of the reasons I'm so honest about my opinion, in the hopes I'll be corrected where I'm wrong ; ) )

"Harmful" would be telling her to go seek therapy, her doing it for 15 years (like I did), only to realize you've wasted that much time trying to find somebody to put the pieces together for you.

I wouldn't say yours is the *only* exception, but yours is an example of a *rare* exception. You might win the lottery, but I wouldn't plan my life around it, either.

To that affect, I actually did make recommendations in regards to therapy (that is, see a male Psychologist, and not a female counselor). It's not that they can't work at all, it's just that when you pay people $50/hour to do nothing but listen and give advice, what you end up with is every Tom, Dick, and Harry that are pretty sure "no, really, how hard could it be?" It's kind of like being a professional writer, in that sense. Everyone thinks they can do it, but than nobody takes the time to distinguish how to do it well.

So what you end up with is a lot like the rest of the medical industry, because (shocker) putting tons of money onto an industry where you're supposed to be helping people devoids the point -- look at the medical field now, it's almost like offering outrageous sums of money to people doesn't encourage good practitioners, it just encourages a lot of financial bureaucracy (and people that want to cash in on it).

I got really excited, initially (to the point my girlfriend stopped to ask what I was so excited about) because I thought you were challenging one of my points, and asking to debate something (the energy most people reserve for the birth of their first child, I reserve for heated intellectual debates), but (unfortunately) you're not calling out anything I'm saying (damn you for getting my hopes up, lol)

If that changes, let me know, because I already pulled the (metaphorical) spear out...really, it's sharp now...if, you know, anyone cared to try and ambush me... :V

*Walks into a corner and whistles, hoping none of those damn PCs come along and try to steal his healthbar*

It's okay to be sad. It's also okay to be angry about things like the ridiculous cost of textbooks

Have you looked in the DSM-V under NPD?