{"product":{"product_id":"B01H6DHITE","title":"DREVO 84 Key Gramr Backlit Edition Tenkeyless Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Brown Switch Black","price":null,"image_url":"https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41DZNu-vXaL._SL500_.jpg","url":"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6DHITE"},"comments":[{"body":"With the Magicforce 68, I noticed that the \"Escape\" key is on the same location as the Tilde ~ key. I assume that means each time I want to hit \"Escape\", I have to hit Fn+~ to get the Escape command, is that correct?\r\n\r\nI know everyone recommends the Magicforce 68 as a budget Mech, but as I game a lot and sometimes have a lot of windows open in general, the necessity of the Escape Key being a one-button switch may be a dealbreaker for me...\r\n\r\nAlso--is there any consensus on the [Drevo Gramr 84](https://www.amazon.com/Drevo-84-Key-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B01H6DHITE?th=1)? From what I read and searched, it's a very solid board for it's price of just $40. I believe they're Outemus, and I'm planning to get a Brown Switch Keyboard. Are there any other potential Brown keyboards (on Amazon only, US) that I should consider around that price range? Can be TK or TKL. ","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"Joe10112"},{"body":"You can still use em with the FN layer.\r\n\r\nI was also first sceptical about the 60% layout but after i build my own it works good. And also you pretty much only gonna use F5 and maybe F12 ( for BIOS or STEAM screenshots)\r\n\r\nOut of all that you wrote i would go with the Magicforce with some nice Gateron Brown switches best bang for your buck.\r\n\r\nOr the Drevo Gramr has F keys and for only 40€ good enough https://www.amazon.es/Drevo-84-Tenkeyless-mec%C3%A1nico-retroiluminado/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1479331621\u0026amp;sr=8-1\u0026amp;keywords=Drevo+Gramr  ( haven't found a portuguese amazon site) But it has Outemu switches not Gateron or MX but for that low of a price i think you can't make much wrong.","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"InfiniteBored"},{"body":"yeah the nixeus looks like a good option. \r\n\r\nI am looking to get them from amazon so that would be fine. I am also looking at this Drevo Gramr which looks pretty good, but I also can't tell if it's standard. \r\nhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6DHITE\r\n\r\nI mean as you said, it looks standard from most keys but I am not sure about the keys on the right side for the home, del, page up, etc. Seems like they would be, just in a different position. It's the same layout on my laptop keyboard too.\r\n","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"replicantblues"},{"body":"Is there any general consensus on the [Drevo Gramr 84 \\(Outemu Brown Switches\\)](https://www.amazon.com/Drevo-84-Key-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc\u0026amp;ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1484418391\u0026amp;sr=1-1\u0026amp;keywords=drevo+gramr) as to how good it is? I hear it's \"pretty good for it's price\", but I'm not sure if it's the \"best\" Keyboard I can pick up for that price range. (The often-recommended Magicforce 68 feels just a little too small for me; I really would like a dedicated Function Row and Escape Key). I hear people saying different things about Outemu; some say it's good, some say that they think they're bad. This would be my first Mech Keyboard, so it's not like I've been using Cherries or Gaterons or whatever for a long time and can easily \"tell\" the difference between the switches. \r\n\r\nAlso, are there any TKL Mechanical Keyboards with Brown Switches that I should consider (or if any exist...) around the ~$40-50 price range (on Amazon, US)? Drevo Gramr is 75% which I think I can work with (might need to do a little bit of brain rewiring for a week or so when using), but I'd prefer a \"standard\" TKL layout with some space between the Number Row and Function Row; the Insert/Delete/Home/End/etc. buttons grouped together slightly away from the Keyboard, the Arrow keys by themselves, etc.\r\n\r\nFinally--anyone know how often these things go on \"sale\"? Being a Steam user, it's always about the sales on games which happen often and are heavy discounts...I don't expect any heavy discounts on this Keyboard, but even small discounts are savings. Any wild guesses on if potentially this Keyboard could go on sale (even by like $5-10), or if it's probably just going to stick at $40?\r\n\r\n","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"Joe10112"},{"body":"I bought a cheap brown switch from Amazon for like 35 bucks. Been my daily board for the last 4 months been pretty solid. \r\n\r\nDREVO 84 Key Gramr Backlit Edition Tenkeyless Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Brown Switch Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6DHITE\r\n","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"Unkn0wn77777771"},{"body":"Well I'm just using a pretty standard Logitech K270 (~US$23?) at the moment.\r\n\r\nYeah, I noticed [this one](https://www.amazon.com/Drevo-84-Key-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc\u0026amp;ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1482069355\u0026amp;sr=1-2\u0026amp;keywords=tenkeyless+keyboard\u0026amp;refinements=p_n_shipping_option-bin%3A3242350011%2Cp_36%3A-4000) as well.\r\n\r\nOnly problem is I have limited places to test Cherry switches let alone non-cherry/cherry 'knockoffs'. I'm in Aus, which doesn't necessarily help either.\r\n\r\nThanks for the link though!","subreddit_name":"keyboards","author":"whatsitallaboutaye"},{"body":"If you're happy with ANSI layout and want a budget board, then any of the clone boards like the Qisan will be fine. Qisan also make the Magicforce which is a fantastic budget board owned by a lot of users here. \r\n\r\n[This](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Drevo-84-Key-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=pd_sbs_147_22?ie=UTF8\u0026amp;psc=1\u0026amp;refRID=13TTRVGVBBZF0JEEJT09) is potentially an even better option, since it appears to have no non-standard keys (excluding right shift, which is easily replaceable) and is cheaper.  \r\n\r\nIf you are looking for ISO Layout and don't mind spending, check out the Winkeyless B.Mini which can be built and customised to your liking :)","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"Will_26"},{"body":"So this past Saturday night I was browsing some reddit. I happened to stumble across [this photo](http://i.imgur.com/pvMLOCE.jpg), which awoke a desire in me to own a mechanical keyboard. Until now I thought mechanical keyboards were just a gamer thing and the only style they came in was black keyboards with RGB flashing all over the place. But seeing that picture made me realize that there is a *huge* variety of ways you can aesthetically customize a board. So the past few days I've spent a lot of my spare time doing research and trying to decide what I ultimate want in my \"dream\" mechanical keyboard. I've ordered a cheaper mechanical keyboard off Amazon for now until I've settled on what I want.\r\n\r\nSorry for the story, I just thought it was worth mentioning and giving you my very brief history and knowledge of mechanical keyboards (or lack thereof). Anyway, I have two questions:\r\n\r\n1. What are some quality 75% or higher keyboards with a completely compact design? By compact design, I mean no empty space between key groupings. [Like this](http://i.imgur.com/DbdwP0N.png). I want f-keys and some kind of arrows (either actual arrow keys or a numpad with numlock). Preferably Cherry MX switches, or something that supports Cherry MX stemmed keycaps. I imagine I'm looking in all the wrong places, but I haven't seen many keyboards like that. The Red Scarf III Ver.A pictured above was part of a massdrop, and the [Drevo 84 Key Gramr](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_NSauybA8SDYH6) is a budget board. I assume the [Noppoo Choc Mini 84 NKRO](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0091Q34EI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_eVauyb8B19NXN) is my answer? Are there any others?\r\n2. Where can I get my hands on a nice set of SA/DSA profile keycaps? I'm in love with the Nantucket set, but they just wrapped up a groupbuy. The few times I've seen them on r/mechmarket they've either sold out super fast or are priced higher than I can comfortably pay for them. Royal Navy seems equally hard to hunt down. I also wouldn't mind a carbon/industrial look like the [GMK Carbon set](https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set). I know that [pimpmykeyboard](http://pimpmykeyboard.com/keysets/) has some SA and DSA sets, but I'm not too fond of any of them (and if I'm going to be spending $100+ on a keyset, I want to be happy with what I get).","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"TravelerHD"},{"body":"http://mechanicalkeyboards.com or Amazon\r\n\r\n[MK84](https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail\u0026amp;p=1375)\r\n\r\n[Drevo Gramr 84](https://smile.amazon.com/Drevo-84-Key-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1485372675\u0026amp;sr=8-3\u0026amp;keywords=84+key+keyboard)\r\n\r\nYou might find a Plum84, Cherry G84, or Noppoo Choc Mini.","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"alose"},{"body":"Try the [Drevo Gamr](https://www.amazon.com/Drevo-84-Key-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1479189740\u0026amp;sr=8-1\u0026amp;keywords=drevo%2Bgamr\u0026amp;th=1) instead. \r\n\r\nThis one has a much more standard layout (most high-end aftermarket sets will have the necessary keys for it), is available with Amazon Prime, and is [currently on sale for $35](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/5cwhqq/keyboard_drevo_gramr_75_outemu_brown_keyboard/)!","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"anthonyooiszewen"},{"body":"I'm looking to buy a good but cheap tenkeyless with browns. Can be cherries or gaterons, I actually prefer gateron browns. Massdrop is having a drop on a nice looking one but I really don't want to have to wait until March for it to show up.\r\n\r\nhttps://www.massdrop.com/buy/magicforce-82-key-mechanical-keyboard\r\n\r\n I did find this one on Amazon, but it's quality looks questionable, and it's definitely not a standard sizing for the rows. Thoughts? I'd like to spend under $70.\r\n\r\nhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;colid=1MRPHNGA69Q4E\u0026amp;coliid=IYSBU5VATPDLW\u0026amp;psc=1\r\n","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"thegrimtaho"},{"body":"Very stupid question but will these http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/104-key-cherry-mx-keycap-set.html#ad-image-0\r\n\r\nwork with this keyboard https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01H6DHITE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8\u0026amp;psc=1 ?\r\n\r\nReason being I need the Korean layout but I don't know the best way to go about it. ","subreddit_name":"MechanicalKeyboards","author":"JustAFangirl"},{"body":"/r/g502masterrace \r\n\r\n[Drevo 84 key brown switch](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6DHITE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_GAQbAbYJ3SPCB) keyboard. Takes up less than a 10 keyless but still has function row unlike the 68 key magic forces.  ","subreddit_name":"pcmasterrace","author":"notaneggspert"},{"body":"time for a 60% keyboard now so you can make full use of your mouse pad. :3  \r\n[maybe something like this](https://www.amazon.com/DREVO-84-Key-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B01H6DHITE)","subreddit_name":"pcmasterrace","author":"underoveraround"},{"body":"I have the same keyboard as OP. It's available [here](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6DHITE/). The font face is dumb, but it's inexpensive and a decent layout/size.","subreddit_name":"DIY","author":"tacticaltaco"}]}