This doesn't quite fit your needs (more than $200, 16 channels, 1-3 phase) but in case anyone else is interested: I flashed an Emporia Vue with ESPHome and it provides full panel monitoring, completely local. It has been working flawlessly for about a year now.
I was all set to buy a sense system, then I found this:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CJGPHL9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I think this might give you a much better insight into where you are consuming the most power.
You might want to start with one, and decide if a second one would be beneficial. It sounds like with the number of circuits you have a second one could be helpful.
Why not get an Emporia Smart Home Energy monitor. I can measure consumption at each circuit real-time or over a period of time. I can also setup notification triggers as needed.
Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_TX3M6BED1038R6JT8RR8
Get one of these ASAP. Mine paid for itself in three months.
> If you just want to monitor your power, I would suggest going with Emporia as it is cheap and easy to install
Iotawatt is a similar alternative and is what I bought in 2020, I really like it.
I was looking into Leviton Smart Load and Span, both seemed interesting, but not worth the upgrade unless you already need to replace your panel. Another issue with those panels is that it might be hard to find breakers that would be compatible with them, since I'm pretty sure you can't just buy them at the big box store or maybe even electrical supplier stores. If you just want to monitor your power, I would suggest going with Emporia as it is cheap and easy to install and can be flashed for local control. I've had Sense for a while, and I removed it, since it was pretty useless in my case.
Something similar to this might be useful for this situation. (I did no research on what ones the best one or anything like that. Literally the first one I found via google). Would be good since it tells you on a per room level, obviously there common tons would be weird to calculate for but would also point out any unusual usage. They even make ones that are on a per outlet basis but those cost significantly more
I use the Empoira Smart Home Energy Monitor and I really like it. I have that and the Enphase CTs so I can see what's specifically using power and how much power it's using.
I am using an Emporia Energy monitor. I really like it. I don't have mine monitoring solar since Enphase does that for me so I just have it monitoring all my breakers so I can see what's on and how much energy it's using.
Don't get a Nest thermostat just for that, a Nest thermostat is by far the worst thermostat on the market for smart thermostats.
Get an Ecobee thermostat and just be happy that you made the correct choice. Enphase will eventually work with IFTTT and that's all you'd need at that point. Or you could take it one step further and buy this Smart Home Energy Monitor which does work with IFTTT and link it to your Ecobee and do exactly what your wanting to do.
$330 a month. 2100 sq ft. We keep the A/C at 76 all day. Looking at the usage, there doesn't seem to be too big of a correlation between the weather and the amount of electricity used. You would think the hottest days would have the most usage because the A/C has to run more but that's not the case. I'm thinking about buying a sensor that tracks each circuit to narrow down what's using the most electricity.
I also didn't have it installed and got a ridiculous quote to come back and install it.
I bought the Emporia Vue 2 and installed it myself in my breaker panel and I love it. Works great.
I mean you can try and fix the issue without knowing what is consuming the most energy but you are mostly taking a stab in the dark.
I would definitely recommend picking up one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?crid=3PB3S3RJZ7D9N&keywords=energy+monitor&qid=1664396085&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI0LjM0IiwicXNhIjoiMy45NCIsInFzcCI6IjMuNTMifQ%3D%3D&sprefix...
And determining exactly what is drawing the most energy. Then you can look at the energy usage for each item, and determine where you can reduce consumption the most per dollar spent.
As for determining whether your fresh air ventilator is increasing your energy usage significantly, you can try turning off and see if that reduces your bill but that is difficult to isolate since your energy usage is going to depend significantly based on the weather in a given month.
The only way to know for sure would be to have some sort of secondary monitoring system. Something like this would let you know based on energy in and energy out.
Most of the southeast-midwest is around $0.12kwh, mine is actually 9 cents, some areas are as low as 6 cents, thanks mostly to all the Kentucky coal mines and the TVA hydro-dams.
I'm retired now but have been a licensed electrician since 1986 from Florida but also got an HVAC contractor license in 1992. For the last few years I have been using an Emporia energy monitoring system which I also use to measure the output from my small 1000 watt off-grid solar array.
It makes about 50 cents a day in power and is mostly for hobby purposes, but I do have it charging a lithium battery bank & inverter that can keep both my refrigerator and freezer running for about 2 nights in a blackout.
Your problem is not the number of condensers, though that may play a small part, replacing two 9k btu condensers with one 18k btu condenser may save a little money but if you need the full output then nothing's gonna change your electric bill appreciably except for the power rate you are being charged.
As a rule with these new inverter mini-splits use 900 watts for a 9k and 1800 watts for a 18k, though in practice they are both lower than that, you can't get around physics and the law of thermodynamics.
My bedroom 9k unit only used 1053 kWh for all of 2021 [heat & cool], I typically only use AC for 5 months and heat for 2 months, the other 5 months are shoulder months and need no conditioning. However, due to the heatwave and colder winter this year I am already at 1080 kWh, but don't expect it to go too much higher as I generally don't use heat or cooling between October and December.
https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Energy-Monitor-Electricity-Conserve/dp/B08CJGPHL9?th=1
Here is an idea. Do it at the breaker box. The example below is overkill as it will monitor 16 circuts but I imagine there are systems out there that can do one circut for the HR machine.
I’ve just read so much back and forth on Sense and its attempts at trying to identify loads. I feel like it will have several compromises. Have a look at the Emporia Energy system it puts CTs on all (or most) of your circuits so your not having to guess or wait for the system to figure out what is what, you can monitor each circuit individually.
If you really want to know, look into something like this power monitoring system.
You install it in your panel and you get monitoring of total and 8 ($110) or 16 ($150) individual circuits. I've had one for a few years now and it works great.
There are some pretty cool techie ways to go about this, such as this product. I really want to get one, but can't justify it at the moment. Note that you will have to do a bit of research to make sure you have all the right bits, and you may well need to consider an electrician, depending on your experience.
https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9/
Looks like there's plenty of options that hook up to the individual circuits. Holy cross college what a pain in the duck to shoehorn those things in inside the breaker panel. Ain't no way around it though.
What's your heat system? Hot water? Air conditioning? Electric car?
Lighting is 99% not the big power consumer you're looking for.
I have this. You clamp it on the circuits in your panel and everything works off of your home WiFi and there's a nice app. Since your charger is 240vac, you clamp one of those current sensors on one of the lines and multiply it by 2 in the app. It works really well, I've been enjoying mine.
This sort of system. It monitors your usage on each breaker so you know what is using power
Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_F8DACZA17GFY6SKXSZ6Z?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I would buy a system to install and find out how much load you use typically. Sense or Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering would accurately tell you how much power you need. And then it will help you monitor your usage to save power consumption.
Install this first and see what a month looks like.
I usually don't even have the lights on? I have power saving LED bulbs.
The only thing I can think is my electric golf cart, but I've had that for over a year and it's never been this high. I'm going to plug in one of those "kill-a-watt" things on it to monitor for a while.
I was going to install one of these and see if I could monitor more closely:
https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9
I have this home energy monitor installed in my panel, its a bit overkill but I like being able to see the consumption of my entire house. Easy to install if you are comfortable or you can get your electrician to install it at the same time as your new 50a circuit.
https://www.amazon.ca/Emporia-Vue-Management-Breaker-Version/dp/B08CJGPHL9?th=1&psc=1
Yeah, I use HA too. I looked at the Aeotec, but I was also looking at this which has 16 clamps to monitor each circuit separately. But I’m not sure if I need all that data, would be nice to have though. I also prefer z wave, but I haven’t been able to find something like the emporia but with z wave.
That’s exactly right! The room could have multiple outlets all sharing a single circuit back to the panel. This is why such smart devices that measure energy consumption right at the panel for each circuit Is so helpful. Could save you lots of headaches and even your life!
Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_FMQKQ0AWPHXRSGBNBCZX
What's the miner and what's your electric rate? You can just do the math.
I use this to monitor all my miners at the panel:
Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_YT3C0CPAC94S9WJWSWTJ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
So far i've navigated the IOT waters well. everything still works....
but if my light bulbs stop working that's a few dollar fix. a main panel? I struggle to trust it enough.
When I build i plan to put in some gutter above the main panel for CT monitoring. keep the mess outta the panel. using something like: https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9
then if it breaks who gives a shit.
I wasn’t referring to the energy cost of monitoring, simply the cost of “tools” (I.e. the price of outlets with built in monitoring).
Something like the Emporia system with 16 channels @ $150 that goes in the panel may suit your needs. I have no idea if this is good or not
Bonjour a tous,
Aujourd'hui je viens vers pour avoir des conseils sur le suivi de sa consomation electrique.
J'ai un compteur electrique Linky, pouvons nous lire les donnes du compteur comme la consomation en temps reel?
Aussi, je voudrais savoir, si on peut part fusible (qui sont decouper par fonction ou piece sur le tableau), brancher un truc comme ca: Lien 1 ou des genre de clamps qu'on met sur chaque fusible et qui monitore l'activiter electrique.
J'aimerais eviter de brancher des trucs sur mes prises, car par exemple j'aimerais monitorer la consomation de la clim.
Merci beaucoup
Or you can install something like this in your electrical box .
Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XT14NKDX8R0AYNN9V0NQ
It will give you all in (from grid , from solar ) and all usage so you can find what is using most energy and adjust it accordingly
Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_HKCHGAR8F6ZN3R6DGWWT
These have been rock solid for motoring use at the panel they also make a smart plug that can measure use and can be exported to csv. emporia energy!
I installed an Emporia Energy Vue 2 for monitoring. It's not specifically for solar, rather it lets you see real-time usage of up to 16 circuits (breakers) as well as total power being used.
I just used one of its channels for my solar and the other 15 for all large loads.
Works great and was easy to install. $150
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CJGPHL9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
A smart energy monitor like this may help you track down exactly which circuit is causing the issue. Plus you can track energy consumption real-time with alerts and notifications.
Gen 2 Emporia Vue Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_3MXD54F0RQZ8V4E9H4YG?psc=1
I just found this on Amazon a few days back https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/?coliid=I1X2UJQ0RD1H2Y&colid=2WEXKVMPYTN3H&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it#immersive-view_1622114810219
I was planning on buying something like this:
https://amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/
Thanks, forgot I had posted here. The shutdown is mentioned on one of my other posts.
if you're looking for a dryer automation this is what I'm using now:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CJGPHL9
One of the sensors is on the dryer breaker, so I'm able to monitor the power usage, and when it goes to 0 it triggers my dryer.
I don't like the cloud so even before hooking it up I followed the steps here to make it ESPHome based:
https://gist.github.com/flaviut/93a1212c7b165c7674693a45ad52c512
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Hope this helps someone else out as well
There's this. Flash-able to ESPHome.
Have you seen the Emporia version? Looks like a great price
https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9
I have one of the cheap power loss alarms as linked in the comments and have been tempted to hack it to send an alert via an ESP32 or other IOT device to my home assistant(HA) setup. Here is a look at a thread about something similar https://www.reddit.com/r/esp32/comments/lck00h/esp32_to_detect_ac_power_outages/. You may also look into another device that could be helpful and more close to your initial question. This device could be used to monitor the current draw on the breaker. With a little creative coding you could trigger an alert off of a current drop on the freezer breaker. They also make standalone plugs that are good to 10A continuous draw that would work if you have wifi to the location. I have two freezers on these plugs and am working on pulling the data to my HA setup. You would also get the added benefit of being able to track energy usage of the freezer to determine when it makes sense to upgrade to a new one due to efficiency/power costs.
if you want a way to monitor your power usage amp draw and all that buy something like this and have your Electrician install it will show if there are any spikes in anything.
Also, if you ever have a phase to phase short like a 240v short it can trip your main breaker. In older houses they used to use a lot of 3wire home runs or, instead of running 2 separate circuits with 2 different wires they would have run 2 separate circuits sharing the same wire. if you have any double handle breakers or 2 pole breakers check those circuits out. it could be anywhere, but I've seen it a lot for kitchens and bathroom circuits. The last time I dealt with this a homeowner tried replacing his own switch and there were 2 circuits in the box that were separated he connected one circuit to one side of the switch the other circuit to the other side. when you turn on the switch sometimes the main breaker would trip sometimes one of the circuits would trip "they were not handling tied or on a 2pole breaker".
let me know if that was confusing.
I use emporia https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Energy-Monitor-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9?th=1 has been great to see usage on each breaker. Haven't got it to work with home assistant yet.
Emporia also makes an energy monitor that you can install in the panel and use with any evse.
I use the Emporia energy monitoring system:
https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9
Mine is installed in the circuit breaker panel, but I also use the smart wifi plugs to monitor specific outlet plug-in units that are below 10 amps.
https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Energy-Monitor-Certified-Package/dp/
You can monitor usage down to the second or up to the years on your cellphone or desktop computer, enter your electric rate and monthly billing end date and it will keep a rolling record and graph of what your power usage is to date and when you should shut off that big ass stereo and go to bed...
I'm considering getting this - https://www.amazon.ca/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9 - in the end it will cost less and I will have better information
Not quite the same, but I measure when my oil boiler is running by measuring how much electricity it's circuit is using.
I don't have a gas water heater, but I assume it still draws a bit of electricity when running. Something like the Shelly EM would work.
I have one of these, it's a decent option. It does try to use AI to figure out what is drawing power (since it only senses your overall usage) and it...sorta works.
If I could go back in time and buy something else, I'd probably get this instead since you can monitor on a per-breaker basis so you can map out usage better. A little bit more work but much more usable information:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/
With my power rate going from 0.11/kwh to 0.17/kwh on my renewal, I'm tempted to switch over even though I spent $250 damn dollars on the Sense system.
Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I am lowering my usage across my entire home. Homelab is the low hanging fruit. Energy costs are going to go up
Ah! Got ya covered there. I use Emporia. It's cheap and easy to install yourself if you don't mind opening up your power panel. You can monitor power in, power out, power from solar and up to 16 different circuits if you like. It's great. https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9
I don't know what an Aurora thing is, so this might be redundant, but there are a number of different products that sit on/in/near your main breaker/fuse box and keep track of the current going through each wire.
For example: https://www.amazon.ca/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9
I think I've seen similar devices that plug into wall outlets and track the usage of plugged-in devices.
No experience with any of these but they might work.
Emporia Vue. Pretty easy to install if you’re comfortable with working in a panel.
He might want to invest in something like this. I installed one on my service panel and it’s pretty accurate and has helped to find a lot of parasitic loads that have ended up saving enough to pay for itself.
Have you looked at a solution like this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_701HMWKQJ92YPAZQGRYR
I have been looking at getting one. It goes in your circuit breaker box and will monitor your homes entire power usage
Yeah. https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9/
A mere $150 for a per circuit monitor.
For energy metering solution, it depends how far you want to take it. If you need something simple, for just keeping track of how much energy you are spending - things like Sense will work. However, if you want to get more insight into what is eating up all of the energy I would suggest Emporia. You can either use it as is, or flash it with ESPHome for fully local solution and much more frequent updates then cloud-based integration (once per minute, I think for the cloud). Another potential solution that I use is a bunch of cheap outlets with energy monitors (like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09JZDSLNC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 or this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SWZ2N4J/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) that can be flashed with Tasmota or ESPHome.
Sense will not be able to provide you with detailed information like that, their ML model is a hit-or-miss. After 3 years of using Sense, it still hasn't detected my two EVs and only found maybe 2% of my appliances and devices.
And one more suggestion, if you are planning on building home assistant based solution, I would strongly recommend not spending money on Philips Hue. They are very expensive comparing to alternatives and not as good as a lot of other cheaper options. Their only advantage is a good app, but home assistant will take care of that for other brands anyways.
If you really wanted to go to town on this there are solutions which use CT clamps to monitor multiple circuits and install in your panel. E.g., https://www.amazon.com/Emporia-Monitor-Circuit-Electricity-Metering/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=B08CJGPHL9&psc=1
As an aside, if you're not too far from your panel and there are spare breaker slots you should really speak to an electrician about getting a 240v socket and/or level 2 charger installed. If it's close by the cost won't be too much and you'll be able to charge much quicker and future proof in case you switch to an EV with a much bigger battery in the future. They're also safer for pulling a continuous heavy load. Do you know if that socket is on it's own circuit or if it's shared? If not, be careful introducing additional loads while your car is charging.
Option 1 (I'm leaning toward this option):
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That sucks for no NG..
What about the Emporia, that is the one I am looking at.. I am not sure if HA can pull data but it has a notification feature built into it...
Have you considered having something like https://www.amazon.ca/Emporia-Vue-Management-Breaker-Version/dp/B08CJGPHL9 installed in your panel so you can monitor power consumption per circuit?
Emporia Smart Home Energy Monitor with 16 50A Circuit Level Sensors | Real Time Electricity Monitor/Meter | Solar/Net Metering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CJGPHL9/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_B2CJG2FA40J0KA5XX4C7
This is probably what you need more:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CJGPHL9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1