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I don't believe there is a 2017 version -- there is the old First Edition and the newer second edition. It is available on amazon for a reasonable price -- to my knowledge there is no legal pdf download.
>They're duplicating a free app
So did wanikani but they get a lot less hate. Wanikani is honestly an anki clone as well while bunpro has a bit more
>It's also overpriced as all
It's almost half the price of wanikani.
I understand your points but did you really expect them to run the resource for free with no ads forever? Stuff like this isn't free. When lingodeer inevitably becomes paid (or includes ads) I wonder if they'll receive the same backlash.
>adds up to more than the cost of an actual textbook
This just isn't true. Genki 1 alone is over $100 on amazon https://www.amazon.com.au/GENKI-Integrated-Course-Elementary-Japanese/dp/4789014401 I doubt this is the cheapest one but even then, you'd have to find a textbook for every JLPT level for only $30 each and only then would it add up to the cost of bunpro. Bunpro is $150 for a lifetime membership, you really think that's more than all the textbooks you'll ever buy for japanese?
Get a genki book and work through that.
You should focus on learning grammar and as a plus integrating the kanji you learn from those example sentences/vocab. I'm definitely in the camp of not going out of your way to learn kanji by itself unless you can actively use it until you get to the intermediate level. There is just so much grammar you need to work through first and really get comfortable with. Then there's listening comprehension which you can find some YouTube videos for learning and japanese media for exposure.
That's the first book I considered but right now it is not available on Canadian Amazon with Amazon Prime
and it is a bit out of my price range as a high school student
I am currently in japanese 202 in my university and i would recommend the textbook Genki 2nd edition. I have used both the first and second books in this series for my course work and they are very high quality and pretty useful. Here is the link http://www.amazon.com/GENKI-Integrated-Elementary-Japanese-Edition/dp/4789014401 . Hope it helps
Teach yourself! Learning to read is fairly easily, it's speaking conversationally that I find extremely difficult.
Sorry, extremely late reply but if you haven't done so already I just used amazon.
Here's the first one, I personally didn't use the workbook but for some people it seems to work better.
Thank you! I saved this for future reference. As for the text books, you speak of Genki would it be this one ?
If so, I will buy it ASAP, as to be honest e-books are not my thing as I know I would get distracted.
I will start looking up the resources you recommended. As for starting out and reenforcing the information, would you recommend Genki? I'm just wanting to make sure I'm on the right path
thank you very much. I have heard a lot about genki. Is this the right one? amazon link
Is this the same book I would be getting from Amazon US? It's cheaper here, so I'd rather save the money if it's the same product. Also, anyone know if the .jp price is a regular price, or if I should wait for it to go down?
Okay I think I'll stay with my kanji learning schedule (cause the whole joyo Kanji for an hour a day in 3 months is still worth it imo) and buy some japanese books. I see Genki being thrown a lot in this subreddit. Is it a must buy? And how much would it teach me?
While I won't be able to teach you myself, I've got a spare copy of this book that I could give to you.
It teaches basic Japanese by using one or two short sample dialogues for each chapter with emphasis on a certain grammatical form.
If you want to get any use out of it, it is vital to at least being able to read Hiragana, one of the three writing systems Japanese is composed of, though.
If you're interested just send me a message.
Does she have any interest in learning Japanese? I don't know the first thing about Korean,but I took 3 years of Japanese in high school. The genki book is pricey but good. https://www.amazon.com/GENKI-Integrated-Elementary-Japanese-English/dp/4789014401 there is a workbook for it too.
Pick up a copy of Genki 1 or Minna no Nihongo and start working through the chapters. Personally I started with Genki. Each chapter starts with a dialogue, then a list of vocabulary, then a section on grammar, exercises, and in the back of the book (don't forget this part!) there are kanji to study, starting from chapter 3, if I remember correctly. Chapter 1 introduces the hiragana, and chapter 2 the katakana.
I personally memorized both the hiragana and the katakana using youtube and wikipedia before I bought Genki 1, but keep in mind that there's a big difference between "memorized" and "being able to read quickly". Don't worry if you have to think about what the characters mean a lot in the beginning, the more you practice the easier it'll become.
Ah, yeah. There are two Genki books - a textbook and a workbook.
The textbook is what has all the lessons, dialogues, grammar explanations, vocabulary lists, and so on.
The workbook is meant to be a companion book which provides you with a lot of exercises to complete after doing a lesson in the textbook.
You want the one that doesn't say workbook on it, like this one, for example.
sorry for late reply. These books are one of the most popular series. You can have conversational japense after learning from both text books. after that you have to by a kanji text books to learn kanji, or you can find something online.You honestly just need to learn the common ones cause even japanese people forget kanji they don't use very often.
> It is taking quite a while with ~45 new kanji every chapter…
Woah! Are we talking about the same Genki?
The reading & writing section only introduces a dozen or so kanji per chapter!
Which outdated lexicon do you mean?
Japanese is loads of fun. My university uses the GENKI series of textbooks, which I find to be pretty effective compared to some of the other nonsense I've had to use. If you want to learn, that wouldn't be a bad place to start, though as with anything you'll get the most mileage out of it if you have a good instructor.
The grammar actually isn't even the most difficult part, it's the writing; after three years I'm still almost completely illiterate. Kanji, man. It can be a little disheartening.
A good starting point is the app LingoDeer and its Japanese practise sessions. The first course is free and has a ton of content. Its practise focuses on teaching kana, grammar and building up vocabulary with a variety of guessing games so it's a very natural and entertaining way of learning. This makes it better than a lot of the language apps out there since their main focus is usually flashcard learning and hard memorisation.
Beyond that, Tae Kim's Japanese grammar is considered by many to be a fantastic way to learn the language. It builds up the necessary fundamentals for learning the language in a rational, intuitive way that makes sense in Japanese. The explanations are focused on how to make sense of the grammar not from English but from a Japanese point of view (which means you think in japanese rather than english).
If you want to get a textbook the Genki guides are considered by many to be the quintessial classroom learning book. Japanese for Busy People is also a good one if you don't have a lot of spare time.
Beyond that, watch Japanese tv without subtitles to get used to them speaking. Japanese Children's tv is a great way to go about it. Try watching something like Chi's Sweet Home without subtitles on. There's also Japanese dramas on Netflix where you can turn the subtitles off.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Real answer: Use almost literally anything else. The standard recommendation is Genki 1 or Minna No Nihongo, plus the Anki flashcard app. For Kanji memorization, you can download a variety of Kanji decks in Anki (core2k/6k/9k, RTK, etc), or use something like WaniKani (free-ish).
2-3 years is plenty of time to "learn" japanese. There are a lot of people here who reached N2 on the JLPT in 3 years or less. There a lot of people who have also reached "basic" fluency as they call it, in 1.5-2 years(AJATT/MIA). There are lots of start guides out there, all which can work very well. There is one right here on this subreddit that is a sticky at the top of the page. You could also try NukeMarines SGJL. A lot of people also like AJATT / MIA as it seems to be the most effective way to learn Japanese quickly (but this requires a lot of time each day that most people aren't willing, or cant commit).
Pretty much all of them start the same way though, by learning Hiragana and Katakana (which are the basic writing systems). Some systems also suggest learning some or all of the kanji in the beginning as well. Many will also say to start immersing with native japanese material early on too (aka watch anime/dramas without subtitles in japanese)
From there you want some type of learning resource for grammar. Many here suggest Genki 1&2 if you have some cash and like textbooks. Other systems will tell you to use free online resources like Tae Kim or Wasabi-JP. All of them seem to work.
From there a lot of paths split as to what you should do and at this point you can kind of choose what you like. If you liked the textbook route than you can move onto an intermediate text book like Toriba. Many say learning from sentences is the way to go though. This can either be done with a pre-made deck like the Core 2/6/10K anki deck. Some people say make your own sentence deck by "mining" native Japanese material for i+1 sentences. AJATT/MIA has even recently suggested using the JLPT Tango books for sentences as they are already pretty much in i+1 format.
Here are a bunch of links to what I am talking about:
anki (awesome FREE flash card app): https://ankiweb.net/about
SGJL (method + resources): https://community.memrise.com/t/course-forum-suggested-guide-for-japanese-literacy-sgjl-course-series/1100
AJATT ("intense" method): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PdPOxiWWuU
Genki (grammar & vocab): https://www.amazon.com/GENKI-Integrated-Elementary-Japanese-English/dp/4789014401 (who knows you might be able to find this free somewhere on the internet as a pdf too...)
Tae Kim (grammar): http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
DJT (overall great resources just look at it...):https://djtguide.neocities.org/
If you're just starting out, I'd probably recommend the Genki series, or Tae Kim's excellent Guide to Japanese Grammar (free online).
The book OP has is very useful and you can learn a lot from it, but it's specifically made to help folks study for the Japanese Language Proficiency Test (JLPT). You lose a lot of the foundational stuff if you go straight for the JLPT materials, I'd argue.
Yes. Do you have the genki textbook? Or just the genki work book? One is about 200 pages, one is twice that. If you’ve only got a thin book, then you’ve only got the workbook, which doesn’t teach you anything. You need the textbook for learning. Genki is for beginners, so you don’t need any prior knowledge, it teaches it all to you. It sounds like you might only have the workbook.
You could probably get them slightly cheaper by ordering from Amazon Japan. With shipping, the total comes out to about $55.
Get a textbook. Follow it.
The first thing I'd recommend doing is learning ひらがな(Hiragana). Hiragana is one of the three alphabet systems in Japanese. It's made up of 46 separate characters and is used primarily for native words and grammar. You need to be able to read hiragana to actually start learning Japanese. This may seem like it's super hard but it's not actually that bad. I recommend printing worksheets and writing them by hand to start with. After that I'd recommend using flash cards or online/mobile testing programs to drill them in. Hiragana will allow you to read and pronounce most Japanese text (though there are exceptions for particles which you'll learn later on).
I would recommend getting a textbook: Genki is often recommended and you can either buy it on Amazon or find a digital copy floating around somewhere. After that you just need to start working through the textbook. Somewhere in this process you should also pick Katakana, which is used for foreign words mainly. This can be learned in the same way you did Hiragana.
The hardest part about learning Japanese is definitely kanji. Kanji are the (mostly) Chinese characters used for words in Japanese. There are thousands of them and this is where a lot of learners burn out. The important part is to take them slowly and I'd recommend not starting kanji for a little bit anyways just because it's a little overwhelming. That being said, I'd recommend learning kanji with vocabulary. There are flash card sets meant for this using Anki, a flash card program. You don't have to worry about that for a while, though.
This may seem overwhelming at first, but all new languages are, especially one as far from English as Japanese is. The important thing is to take it slow at first so you don't burn yourself out. Languages are learned over long periods of time, not overnight and that's important to keep in mind. Just set yourself a small goal to start and work on completing that, the rest will come in time.
Here are some resources you might find helpful:
* Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese - really good resource for explaining grammar, has lots of examples
* Jisho.org - Japanese -> English and Kanji dictionary
* Pretty much everything here
* /r/LearnJapanese - Good for questions and finding resources
Well, that's all the procrastination I think I can handle from writing this right now. Ending up being a lot longer than I thought it would be. Hope it helps you find where to start. Feel free to ask any questions and message me for help anytime. Good luck with your goals and happy New Years!
More than likely the light novels (7 and 8) will be officially translated by the time you're able to read the untranslated version.
If you still want to learn Japanese though, my best advice is to search around on your own and see what works for you. What I've found works for me has been:
First memorize Hirigana and Katakana (Japanese has three alphabets - Hirigana, Katakana (for loan words), and Kanji. Hirigana and Katakana are close to the English alphabet while Kanji is more like pictograms (for example, eye <3 u)). Write them in the margins of notes your taking, buy a set of post-it notes and write down the hirigana and katakana tables every hour or so, and you'll learn it in a few days Certainly less than a week.
For kanji, wanikani (https://www.wanikani.com/dashboard) is a good idea to get started on early (it's slow going at least at first, but a nice review tool - learn the kanji and example phrases on your own if it's too slow). (edit: Actually $10 per month after the first three levels (~1 month to complete first three levels). edit 2: There's a coupon for 50% off forever floating around though.)
Other than that, there are pdfs of the textbook Genki I (link to amazon) floating around (or you could pay $80ish for the textbook and workbook). This is the textbook the majority of people use, and it's basically your standard textbook. The stories of Mary and Takashi are awesome though and pretty fun to follow.
Learning a language requires you to learn a whole host of new grammar rules (Japanese has a good chunk with no equivalent in English) and thousands upon thousands of vocabulary. Tae Kim's Grammar Guide is typically pointed to for those who want to learn the grammar quickly, or have a resource to look at as you encounter new grammar.
Youtube videos. Puni-Puni, and others are quick to watch and really good review.
Watch anime, read manga! It's either very low-cost, or free, and exposes you to the language. You can hear or read the grammar structures your learning about, or see kanji in action. Likely since most are geared towards japanese middle-school-age to high-school-age students you won't be able to understand the vast majority of what you read or hear (without subtitles or translations), but you'll be able to get the gist of it. Here's a youtube channel that takes a sentence or two from currently-airing or recent anime and breaks it down. Also, here's a newer subreddit doing somewhat the same thing.
Lower cost stuff:
I used the workbook "Japanese Tutor" to get from the beginner to intermediate stage. It's $20 but was a very nice way to work my way through the beginner stage to intermediate.
Japanese Graded Readers is a great way to practice reading. They're kind of like scholastic books you would find at book fairs in elementary school. They don't use complex sentence structure or complex words (or complex kanji in japanese's case), and are designed for foreign language learners (so the topics are more adult, less "The dog ran. The cat ate. The bug couldn't swim."). I recommend you start at Level 1 since Level 0 is more about learning odd vocab. You can understand Level 1 books in about 2-3 weeks if you spend around 2 hours each day studying. You get 5 books (15-25 pages each - which is just enough so you don't get tired ever so slowly reading them) for $30.
High cost stuff:
Rosetta Stone is a nice way to learn vocabulary and practice hearing the language, but it's costly at $170-$200 (for all 3 levels - 150 hours). If you have a friend who can loan it to you to try out (or split the cost with) it's a really nice tool since it teaches vocabulary of objects you see in daily life, and you'll be able to look around your house or city and have a word for a good chunk of things.
If you are okay with spending some money you can buy Genki Volume 1 textbook (Amazon page). It's the basics of the grammar and reading. If you don't want to spend money then duolingo (link) is a good site for learning Japanese. Though I personally don't like it as much as just taking a class and learning from a textbook
For anyone that actually wants to learn Japanese: get a textbook. Vocabulary is useless if you don’t understand basic grammar rules.
I took two years of Japanese coursework and we used the Genki series of textbooks: https://www.amazon.com/GENKI-Integrated-Elementary-Japanese-English/dp/4789014401
They explain everything you need to know to become proficient, however, once you complete Genki II and are solid with everything you’ve learned, you’ll want to move on to the Tobira series: https://www.amazon.com/Gateway-Advanced-Japanese-Grammar-Exercises/dp/B01M7SVSDP/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=tobira+gateway+to+advanced+japanese&qid=1595598182&sprefix=tobira&sr=8-3
After that, all that’s left for you is going to be actual immersion.
The best place to begin is with structured educational material. You shouldn't be trying to cobble anything together yourself. Tae Kim's Guide and Genki are the two go-to recommended starting points.
(The second edition of Genki is still a great book, you don't need the third edition)
Genki 1 second edition both the text book and the workbook version
Personally I study with good old fashioned textbooks. The best Japanese textbook for beginners out there is Genki textbook.
However, there are many other great books and apps to learn Japanese. I highly recommend going to Tofugu since they have a ton of Japanese resources listed:
just get the textbook they use in class (you can also get free pdfs online) and learn the content yourself, the book makes it pretty easy to follow
Je me suis aussi mis au japonais par frustration de ne pas avoir les oeuvres traduites quand je le voulais (et j'ai d'ailleurs terminé il y a quelques mois ToCS 4 en VO justement, donc je pense être à peu près dans le sujet haha)
L'un des plus grands alliés pour retenir les choses à mes yeux est Anki (ou toute autre alternative). Si tu ne connais pas, c'est en gros un logiciel dans lequel tu vas réviser chaque jour en utilisant des flashcards. Explications plus en détail : https://apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.fr.html
Comme mentionné à plusieurs reprises déjà, les kanas pourront être acquis rapidement, mais les kanjis risquent d'être un point bloquant. Mon approche ne convient pas forcément à tout le monde, mais je me suis directement attaqué aux kanjis (i.e. apprendre un sens grossier et pouvoir reconnaître 2000 kanjis environ) avec "Les kanjis dans la tête" :
J'ai travaillé exclusivement dessus (avec un deck Anki) pendant quelques mois avant de m'attaquer à la suite. Alors effectivement, pendant cette période il ne sera pas possible de vraiment voir les fruits du travail. Cela dit, ça m'a permis d'attaquer sereinement la suite de puisque les kanjis sont devenus des éléments "familiers" et non pas des hiéroglyphes à connaître par coeur à la pelle.
En revanche, si tu vois que tu n'as aucun problème à le vocabulaire avec les kanjis à mesure que ça arrive, tu peux sauter cette étape et passer directement à la grammaire de base, avec les bouquins Genki qui ont déjà été recommandés ici.
Une fois les bases acquises, j'ai essentiellement fait par immersion, avec des visual novels et des outils d'extraction de texte pour pouvoir facilement consulter les points de vocabulaire et grammaire manquants. Le gros avantage des visual novels par rapport aux autres jeux est la facilité d'extraction du texte, qui est un point très important quand on ne connait pas beaucoup de vocabulaire (vu que c'est galère de chercher des kanjis si tu ne les connais pas). Voici un guide à ce sujet :
Une fois que les VN peuvent être lus sans "trop" de difficultés, il devient alors possible d'essayer des jeux simples. Cela dit, le chemin risque d'être long !
Pour finir, les decks Anki Core 2k/4k/6k peuvent être utiles pour acquérir une bonne base de vocabulaire utilisée un peu partout. Et bien entendu, créer ses propres flashcards reste le moyen optimal.
These are actually both the languages I have learned.
My biggest tip is probably to take things slow - language learning is a marathon, not a sprint, and there are lots of different parts of your brain you need to train. For example, reading and understanding, listening comprehension, and vocabulary and grammar are all different skills - and if you don't balance things out, you can get really good at one, but then suck at the other. You can make really fast progress through grinding out lots of vocabulary and grammar lessons as a beginner, and because your reading comprehension progresses really quickly, you get a buzz and think you're learning so much - but actually, you just end up not being able to understand anything you hear!
So go slow, repeat things lots of times, and read and listen to a broad variety of material - actually do the boring listening exercises and writing exercises!
Second thing is, don't let it become a chore, find things to do in the language that you enjoy and "studying" them genuinely is a hobby. In Japanese I like watching anime and reading manga, and in Chinese I love the cheesy romcoms and action movies. I really enjoy singing along to music in the languages too - find your thing, and doing that stuff will be a fun stress-reliever, with learning as a by-product! Don't fall into the trap of thinking watching TV with English subs is studying - it isn't. You won't learn anything! Watch it with the native language subs turned on!
For Japanese, I recommend the Genki series
For audio lessons, there is a ton of free Japanese content on YouTube
For Chinese I recommend the integrated Chinese series
ChinesePod has lots of good audio lessons and good listening material
Glossika is great for chorusing practice, and this product is great for pronunciation practice.
My biggest regret in both languages is not spending enough time practicing my listening skills and pronunciation in the early days!
This is by far the best language learning book I’ve used, for any language, ever: https://www.amazon.com/GENKI-Integrated-Elementary-Japanese-English/dp/4789014401
For Japanese, a good starting point is the app LingoDeer and its Japanese practise sessions. The first course is free and has a ton of content. Its practise focuses on teaching kana, grammar and building up vocabulary with a variety of guessing games so it's a very natural and entertaining way of learning. This makes it better than a lot of the language apps out there since their main focus is usually flashcard learning and hard memorisation.
For learning Kanji, I recommend Wanikani.com It's the only paid service I'm mentioning, but you can trial the first three levels for free (which is about a month's worth of content). It uses pneumonic devices and spaced repetition to drill a proper understanding of radicals, kanji and how they're used in creating vocabulary. Beyond mindlessly memorising kanji from vocab lists of other resources, it's the only focused method for understanding kanji I've come across.
The first place to start is learning the Hiragana and Katakana. Once you have these memorized, a lot of people love the Genki book series
Make sure you buy Spanish and Portguese from that site or you'll pay twice the amount on Amazon. You can use the Google Translator extension in Chrome to translate it to English, if French is a problem.
Some people buy it from Japan's Amazon site because it's cheaper, even after shipping. You can also request it at most libraries.
How good is she at dedicating herself to a textbook? Genki 1 (link for example, looks like it's sold out on Amazon) has you learn kana (the non-kanji characters) at the very beginning so if she already knows it she'll be good to jump into that. But it is very much a school textbook, so if she's not good at learning that way especially if she'll be self studying you'll want to steer clear. If she is good at learning that way, though, it's a great resource (and has an associated workbook so she can practice handwriting too).
Minna no Nihongo is another option, though I'm unfamiliar with it. It does have a big following so others here may be able to talk about it more. It's similar in that it expects you to use Japanese writing early on, but from what I've heard is different enough for people to prefer one over the other. You can take a look at the details of both and see if one seems more useful for your girlfriend over the other.
There's also Tae Kim's Guide which has a free online equivalent but does have a relatively cheap physical book available that you could gift. I never used it specifically as a learning resource, but it's been invaluable as a reference so it may be good to learn from too. Looks like the print resource uses a lot of English words though so that may not be what you want.
Note all of these are still "beginners" books in that they're going to start off teaching you how to conjugate verbs, the proper way to order things in sentences, and the natural way to form ideas in Japanese. The ones listed It sounds like that's the level you're describing, but if she's past that you may look into what the second book in each course offers.
And then this textbook and workbook:
Since everyone already answered your first question (can I use Genki with zero Japanese knowledge) I will instead address your second question (what should I buy).
You should by Genki I
That's an Amazon link but try to support your local bookshop instead, if you have that opportunity.
Also you should buy the workbook:
That's what you need but I found it nice to have some graph paper to draw some Kanji (or even Kana) with.
You also probably need to use some kind of flashcard program like Anki (which is free). You could use physical flashcards but it's not hard to get to thousands of cards and you might as well use a computer to help with that.
Would this be a good one to get on Amazon?
I don't know if it answers your question but I learn Japanese using this book . It's fantastic and it starts from the basic.
I'm pretty sure we used Yookoso, but later transitioned to the Genki series of books. So, if you're looking for a beginner textbook, Genki I is probably what you would want to look at! It's generally considered one of the best.
Also, you can check out r/LearnJapanese and their starting guide, for more beginner resources.
Thank you by the way for helping me out so far. If you don't mind, could you help me figure out which first 2 books I should be looking at, or what order to get them in?
My assumption would be, in the order listed,
1st to get:
by Eri Banno
2nd to get:
I am not sure on that second one, I assumed it would be the second book due to it saying Japanese II, but it saying second edition is throwing me off.
Looking for these two:
Here's a cheaper one
> Genki I and II textbooks
these ones, ya?
I've had success with Genki.
Pretty sure you can find it at Chapters or for free online.
Hey, this is very late, but I am procrastinating studying for my Kanji test tomorrow, so I'm going to write this out again! I hope you see it.
Free is going to be hard. I would suggest less than $50, as that's a hell of a lot more feasible.
Step 0: Get your expectations in Check
You have 3 - 5 months, depending on when you are going. That's enough to learn some stuff, but not as much as you'd like.
You will need to study at least an hour a day, every day. At that point, you'll likely be able to form basic sentences, read basic signs and instruction, and absolutely struggle through the most basic of basic conversations. That's really about it.
You can do more if you study more, obviously. But you also run the risk of burning out. Personally, I would suggest setting an hour a night aside, and at the end of that hour, ask yourself, "Am I good for another 30 minutes?" and continue doing that until you can't honestly say yes.
Step 1: Learn Hiragana and Katakana
There are lots of apps and books and stuff for this: It's a gigantic waste of money and time. Make yourself some flashcards, drill them into your head at every spare moment over a few days. You should have a basic sense of them. You'll still forget some, that's normal, don't worry. As long as you don't have to stop and look up every other kana, you're going to be fine.
Step 2: Get a Grammar Resource
Textbook, unfortunately. Alternative: tutor or classes but that gets expensive quick.
Any one of us can give you a massive list of vocab and useful grammar points and flash card decks. That will give you a wealth of information and no direction. The important part of a class or a textbook is that it's a lesson plan. You don't need to waste the time deciding what to learn in what order: Just flip the page.
Genki is the standard recommendation, because it's used in University/College classes across North America and there are resources for it everywhere: Downside: You need 4 Books + The Answer Key to use it effectively. That'll end up at $225USD ish.
Skipping Minna No Nihongo because, while it's another popular recomendation, it's MORE expensive.
I used Japanese for Everyone (I have also used Genki and I own a copy of Minna No Nihongo 1 from school, but haven't used it) and I'm going to recommend it here stronger than I normally do. Reason: It's super cheap, because that's the only book you're going to need. Downside is less internet resources and a faster pace.
Free Alternative is Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese Grammar. It's useful, but it contains no useful practice problems and a not so great selection of example sentences.
Step 3: Practice
Once you get 6 or 7 chapters into your textbook of choice, you need to start using it. Even if you're not speaking, at least be writing to someone in real time in text. Input is probably more important than output, yes, but you need some output at least. Lots of people (Me included) put this off far too long and I Definitely suffered when I first came to Tokyo for it.
Free? You want HelloTalk. It's an iPhone/Android messaging app specifically tailored for people exchanging languages. It's pretty much your only/best option for free. Conversations tend to fizzle out when both people are low level, so be persistent.
Step 4: Additional Resources
One guy writing hundreds of pages of guides that go into mid-depth of Japanese Grammar. This is not a primary resource. It takes the problems I have with Tae Kim to the extreme, and it is very grammar term heavy. It's best used for additional explanation when you don't understand something. Say, you get to ~てしまう in a textbook and don't understand? Imabi.
Spaced Repetition Flashcards. They work, they're useful. Anki is more powerful and has more community vetted resources, Memrise is more "Game-ified" but less powerful and with less resources. You should never use either of these programs as your first contact with any grammar point. They are flash cards. They are used to review.
Goes without saying. Take your pick, 99% of them use the same base database so the only difference is UI. I use mine 500 times a day (But I am in Tokyo).
Here. 3 Articles a day (5 on Friday) taken from the NHK main site and simplified heavily, intended for foreigners and elementary school students. Includes Furigana on every kanji, colour coding places/names, and full audio recording for each Article. Too advanced for you now, but good god is this good to know about it.
Here. Originally made to go with a textbook, and for learning it's pretty well impossible without that textbook. This site is still a fucking goldmine, with over 100 1-5 minute skits and videos in normal Japanese (Except the main character, who is correct but intentionally slow). Full scripts and line-by-line break down in Japanese, Kana Only, Romaji, and English. Listening Practice and Shadowing does not get better than this.
Step -1: Things to Avoid
Im seeing many Genki 1 books, would getting only this one be ok to start? https://www.amazon.ca/GENKI-Integrated-Course-Elementary-Japanese/dp/4789014401/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503335624&sr=8-1&keywords=genki
Be sure to get the textbooks. You WILL be using them. Especially the workbooks.
These are what you'll need:
I also suggest getting little things like this:
Learn Japanese and you will have no problem finding hype for Dragon Quest.
I actually took the class at Rutgers. It was very fun and interesting, but you could probably do all the work on your own (if you're dedicated enough). The textbook we used was Genki 1
The workbook as well
Not all Rutgers classes are on the NJIT schedule builder. Japanese you'll have to find in the Rutgers schedule builder:
Finally, to register for any class at Rutgers, you need to fill out this form and bring it to our registrar:
I'm from portugal too.
Try memrise or anki for vocab.
You can use jisho.org to check kanji meanings (the best online dictionary in my opinion).
Try to find a grammar book to help you understand better the grammar. http://www.guidetojapanese.org/grammar_guide.pdf
try this free one.
One of the most famous books to learn japanese is genki https://www.amazon.co.uk/Genki-Second-Integrated-Elementary-Japanese/dp/4789014401/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488928032&sr=8-1&keywords=genki
If you want you can take the jlpt exam after studying japanese. You can make them in porto two times for year.
Jlpt have 5 levels if you reach level 1 you are fluent.
No, they're two resources. Tae Kim, genki
I am in the same position. I took a few classes a while back, but I am now excited to learn so I am starting from scratch. I am personally going to be using Genki I, as it has the audio cd's which should be pretty useful. I require a bit of structure, and since I am not surrounded by others wishing to speak the language in person anymore, the book should guide me on a good general path.
It has been mentioned a million times before on the subreddit and for good reason! It's pretty affordable for a low-cost investment to such a skill as learning a language. I also have the Genki Workbook which will give me some good repetitive practice and with visual aid.
In a shorter answer to your question: I think I would value grammar higher than Kanji on your path to knowledge at this point, but there is no reason to ignore one and only study the other.
I started by learning Hiragana and Katakana with the linked android apps. For a while I was using the JASensei app, then I bought Genki 1 and Practice Makes Perfect: Japanese Grammar. I use Anki to build my vocabulary by making my own "words in the wild" deck, as well as following along with a Genki 1 and 2 vocab shared deck.
Thanks Man, Think I got it all This Is it right?
Yeah, of course. It looks like this:
There's a workbook that goes along with it, if you desire:
I'd recommend the workbook.
Do your reserch first, and then ask questions. Things like this are very frequently asked and answered. And many people post their reviews of courses and textbooks on various websites such as Amazon. The most popular textbook seems to be Genki on this sub.
New to Japanese? New to the sub? READ THE WIKI!
>They want readers to be able to use functional and polite Japanese as quickly as possible.
I honestly don't know what the problem is with this approach. What's wrong with functional and polite?
>They don't want to scare readers away with terrifying Japanese script and Chinese characters.
Not necessarily true and it's easy to avoid textbooks that use only romaji. There may be thousands of Chinese characters but Kana only has about 100 and they all represent sounds.
> They want to teach you how to say English phrases in Japanese.
It actually rings true in some cases. One of such cases is asking "how are you?" in Japanese. Although it's more about cultural context than employing English phrasing in Japanese. "O genki desu ka" seems to be one of the first things people learn but I've personally never heard the exact phrased used in real life. Sure, variations of it are often heard but in different situations. The Japanese only ask such a question when they meet someone they haven't met in a while and they don't ask it when meeting someone for the first time or someone they see regularly. And they still wouldn't phrase it exactly that way, but that'd be nitpicking.
Nevertheless I don't think you need to worry about it too much.
Sorry to bug you one more time. Would you suggest this one with the CD-ROM or would I just need the workbook? Thanks again.
this site is under $100.
I find it fun, but then I'm one of those "studying is fun" weirdos. If you pick just one course I'd recommend Genki. If your motivation is your job, then you should study towards the JLPT test, at least an N3 and preferably an N2.
As /u/Crowst said, you need to be motivated. This is not something you bang out in a couple of months. Study every single day, even if you just spend 10 minutes going over your flash cards (Anki is a great flashcard tool). Stick with it and proficiency will come.
And it's pretty cool to be able to say, "Yeah, I speak a little Japanese."
Okay, so I'm also new to Japanese, and I'm 15 too, so I'm in the same boat as you. I should probably let you know though how often people tell me to learn Hiragana and Katakana before jumping in to anything else.
You can do that through hiragana and katakana courses on the flashcard site Memrise. It's recommended for general language learning and specifically Japanese vocab. and writing systems often, and I've had a generally good experience with it. Pick up a book on them if you feel like it.
It could take you between a week to a month depending on your skill level and your general ability to pick up knowledge, but once you have them under your belt and only then, start learning speaking, listening and general grammar and vocabulary then. Pick up a textbook like Genki if you feel like it. Genki 1 is recommended a lot here too.
I should probably emphasise the FAQ, wiki and other info here on this subreddit, too. The /r/LearnJapanese starters' guide is your friend, and will give a more wholesome rundown than I did.
One final thing - I'm new to this too, so to you and any other new learners like me reading this: I'm not an expert; I'm just doing what's working for me and is generally advised. To people with more experience learning Japanese with a better idea of how to start: please comment with anything I've missed or messed up; like I said, I'm not a genius. I've seen people here who I think are, and they're friendly, good people. I try to be good and friendly, but I'm no genius at all, I'm just starting like you.
Sorry for the long post, I can't feel my fingers from typing fast. Good luck to you, /u/Harry-kun!
The one you want is Genki I, Second Edition. It's up to you if you want to purchase the workbook. You can always buy it later if you need more practice. There are also Anki decks and Memrise courses for the chapters in Genki. :)
Genki 1 (White Rabbit Press)
Genki 1 (Amazon)
This is the newest Genki 1 book with CD
And this is the newest Genki 2 book with CD
It's no problem at all!
Genki 1 set:
Genki 2 set:
Happy studying and good luck! If you need anything else don't hesitate to ask :)
You guys can self-teach yourselves fairly easily. Memorizing kana (the "alphabet"), vocabulary, and kanji, all of that can be done without a tutor. I recommend starting with a textbook meant for beginners such as yourselves, namely Genki, and going through it as you would if a teacher was guiding you through it. You don't need a tutor to learn Japanese effectively.
http://ankisrs.net/ (for memorizing anything)
http://realkana.com (kana memorization test)
genki (this is the physical book, but you can use pdfs)
tae kim and imabi (free online grammar guides)
this sub's getting started guide
So.. I purchased these two books book1 book2 as I am learning just for Kicks.. I wanted to know if anybody had any tips for learning other than just reading the book word for word as I can put down a book and forget about it for 3-4 months.
This is the book I'm using: http://www.amazon.com/GENKI-Integrated-Elementary-Japanese-Edition/dp/4789014401/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368512121&sr=8-1&keywords=genki&tag=r601000000-20
Learning Japanese is hard, but there's a lot of resources online
A fun one is Duolingo :https://www.duolingo.com/
If you rather books, check Genki out:
But I think the first think the first step is learning Katakana and Hiragana, which is relatively easy and satisfying to learn. Here's what I used: https://realkana.com/
I'm interested in taking genki too, i would like to know if you bought only the book
or if you also bought the exercises ( question and answer)