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Yeah I'm 100% with you if you're advocating police reform, however if you are arguing that there should be no police at all then I couldn't disagree more with you. Lack of policing in general has a complete historical precedence of explosions in crime and violence.
I would recommend reading Ghettoside by Jill Leovy. It's written by a reporter who embeds herself in Watts and attempts to explain the proliferation in violence in African American communities. One of the subjects she explores is what happened during the hundred or so years when racist cops in the south refused to police crimes that happened to black people. Hint: it's not good.
> The police don't receive the witness cooperation they need to clear shootings in the high crime areas though, even victims seldom cooperate with investigations
The police sure caught the South St guys quickly! Perhaps they were especially motivated to solve that crime?
And I'm sure that searching random black men on the street and arresting the ones that are carrying a gun because they feel they will be murdered if they don't have it will help with that problem! It's not like we've been doing that for 40 years now
> The ideal compromise would probably be ratcheting up gun searches and prosecutions, but minimizing the punishments
the police are already complaining that krasner is not harshly punishing gun arrests enough
> If you live in a high crime area, it benefits your in the aggregate to be searched because everyone else is also being searched, thus increasing your safety too
does it increase your safety? Again, this has been standard practice for literally decades - peoples reaction to it has been "I, a law abiding person, am getting constantly hassled by the same police who are ignoring the fact that murderers are walking around scott free because the police basically don't care when a black guy shoots another black guy"
Highly recommend reading the book Ghettoside - this is the same overpolicing small crimes and underpolicing major crimes that has destroyed police-community relationships and failed to deal with crime on top of it
I highly recommend reading the book Ghettoside, which looked deeply into the problem of murder and gun violence in places like this (the book focuses on South-Central LA but is applicable everywhere in America). Basically, there's so little trust in the police, and the police historically haven't put much effort into actually solving murders, that lots of people would prefer to take justice into their own hands. Why tell the police and potentially get branded a snitch, when you can go and shoot the guy who shot you (or his brother, cousin, friend) and get revenge yourself
The book follows two stories - in one, a LAPD officer's son is killed in that kind of shooting, and it juxtaposes the resources that case got with an average case. In the other, it profiles an LAPD detective who actually puts in the work to solve cases - and basically reveals that who committed these crimes isn't a secret, they often aren't hard to investigate, but too many cops don't put in the work, the Department doesn't put money into crime solving, and the locals just don't trust the police or think that giving information will do anything but paint a target on theirback
The disparities maybe show that some people/communities snitch while others don't (even if they are rivals).
Reminds me of some comments months ago that quoted from Ghettoside(I think), where some police mention that they think or are convinced that some people have committed crimes like assault and murder. However, these crimes are not solvable since the victims and the community at large will not snitch, testify, etc.
So, they try to get these criminals on drug charges. Possession of drugs / drug dealing / drug trafficking etc. Often, the police are pretty convinced they are involved in the murders in the community too, but these more objective crimes (you either have the drugs or not) are the easiest way to locking these guys up.
It's just not that simple. You can look at arrest rates for violent crimes and see that, when adjusted for population size, non-whites are arrested more than white for those crimes. However, that doesn't paint the full picture. There are roughly 5 times as many whites as blacks in the US, however both whites and blacks make up 40% of the prison population. So, blacks are incarcerated at a rate 5 times as frequently than whites, but that doesn't mean they necessarily commit 5 times as many crimes. For example, blacks and whites smoke marijuana at the same rate, but blacks are nearly 4 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. When blacks and whites are arrested for the same crime, blacks are more likely to be convicted. Blacks represent about 35% of drug arrests but 46% of total people convicted for drug arrests are black. Lastly, when blacks and whites are arrested and convicted for the same felonies, blacks are more likely to be incarcerated 1.5 times as frequently as whites. From top to bottom, there is a bias that negatively impacts blacks. You should read the book Ghettoside for a more thorough explanation.
I would recommend Ghettoside by Jill Leovy. She did comprehensive reporting on this.
Aside from that, there are numerous examples of crime being allowed to proliferate within the ghettos. Here's some particularly horrible reading about crimes against women (which were the most common as far as I can tell).
And yes, I think we could all agree that it would be amazing if people just never wanted to commit crimes, but that has never happened in all of human existence. It would probably be a good idea to use that historical precedence.
There is a really interesting book about the ways that low income communities are under policed and the consequences:
https://www.amazon.com/Ghettoside-True-Story-Murder-America-ebook/dp/B0062OCN4E
actually im not all that pro cop, i readily acknowledge that they do a lot of harm, but i also like almost all sensible people, including 85%, of American blacks , see them as also completely necessary.
https://copinthehood.com/progressive-misbelief-2/
shitlibs and corporate democrats see American blacks as their pets where they have to accept what white liberals want, no matter how much they themselves do not want it, because i guess white people know better, its also why blacks cant have school choice.
homophobia is mostly made up, for instance Matthew Shepard was not killed because of homophobia
and trans zealotry is almost a complete corporate movement funded by billionaires
https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/
when somebody hits you over the head, i guarantee you call the cops
not killing cop killers hurts their morale and leads to way less effective policing.
we solve less than half of all black homicides in this country, where is there justice?
http://www.murderdata.org/2021/10/homicide-clearance-in-united-states.html?m=1
http://www.murderdata.org/2020/12/major-american-cities-where-most.html?m=1
http://www.murderdata.org/2019/02/black-murders-account-for-all-of.html?m=1
https://www.amazon.com/Ghettoside-True-Story-Murder-America-ebook/dp/B0062OCN4E
you cant stop abortion btw, nor probably should you , because you cant make people be parents,much less good parents, but killing innocent babies is completely evil and satanic ,and let's make no quibbles, they are people , every single other area of American jurisprudence considers the fetus a person( criminal law, inheritance law, wrongful death etc)
ntm even robobitch RBG said roe v wade was overreach, even without roe v wade the health of the mother is protected by doe v bolton, it should be a states rights issue, you can buy the drugs online to self induce for approximately 100$, very few women ever died in back alley abortion's
https://www.thescottsmithblog.com/2019/06/debunking-back-alley-abortion-argument.html?m=1
In the end, notice how many fewer women died from abortion when it was illegal and actually rare. Compare that to how many woman die or are seriously maimed by the abortion industry now that abortion is legal and common.
And remember, at least one child dies in every abortion.
How Many Women Died as a Result of "Back Alley Abortions" pre-1973?
You will be shocked at how low the number is ...
Deaths from illegally induced abortion declined between 1940 and 1972 in part because of the introduction of antibiotics to manage sepsis.[1a] Septic shock occurs when a woman suffers an infection during the abortion procedure. Even to this day, however, septic shock is one of the major abortion complications.[1b]
In 1972 (the year before abortion was federally legalized), a total of 24 women died from causes known to be associated with legal abortions, and 39 died as a result of known illegal abortions (CDC).
That's a total of 63 women dying within a year following their abortion. Be sure to note this number for future comparison. Hint: I'm about to show you that current numbers dwarf this number.
However you look at it, that's less than 100 deaths per year.
Even the Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood, admits that less than 200 women died each year from illegal abortions as early as 1965. Less than 200 mothers died, despite their estimate that 200,000 to 1.2 million illegal abortions occurred per year.
Take note for future reference: based on the above estimates, only 0.1% to 0.016% of women died as a result of illegal "back alley abortions" in the decade prior to Roe v. Wade.
However, the Montana bill is also a sad reminder of how extreme abortion laws are in the country. America is one of just seven countries in the world that allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, according to the Washington Post. The list includes China, North Korea, and Vietnam. That’s some atrocious company.
Got anymore stupid arguments?
If you want to read about the epidemic of murder and gun violence, and the deeply inadequate police response to it, I highly recommend the book Ghettoside
>America is not the least racist at all. Canada has us beat in every way and the UK does a much better job at making minorities feel at home.
Feels is not an objective or meaningful form of measurement. Is there something objective we can measure this by?
>BLM was a movement created to protest against police brutality [...]
That's factually incorrect. BLM was exclusively created as an anti-USA, anti-Capitalist organization that used the lies propagated about the death of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown, Jr. In practice, it's exclusively been a violent, racist, black supremacist organization. The first example I can think of off the top of my head is a BLM chapter founder that thinks white people are sub-human. Pure black supremacist, racism.
>There is clear discrimination toward black people by the police. Black neighborhoods are over-policed, black people serve longer sentences for the same crime, are arrested at higher rates for the same crime, and are more likely to get the cops called on them in general. Marijuana was made illegal for the sole purpose of getting more minorities in jail.
There is no evidence of racial bias in policing at all. Not one shred. The reason is that accurately estimating racial bias in police shootings nationwide is impossible at this time. Comprehensive records of lethal force — the numerator in the deaths-per-encounter ratio — only recently becamehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_21available through open records requests, crowdsourcing, and enterprise journalism. The data simply doesn't exist to prove that at all. After a decade, we will have a better picture but for right now it's just anecdotal.
Yes, I agree with you black neighborhoods are in fact over-policed but that's in regard to drug crime ONLY. The data proves the amount of drug activity is lower than the policing activity in black communities. Now, of course, some cynical assholes typically say "Then black people should just stop doing drugs." but it's far more complicated than that.
However, black communities are under-policed in regards to violent crime. The data proves that "clearance rates" (the rate at which violent crimes are solved) are lower than the number of violent crimes committed. The main reason is that securing prosecutions heavily rely on eye-witness testimony. According to Jill Leovy, blacks, in general, do not talk to the police and the black community has a chronic problem with killing their own who "snitch".
There's no credible evidence that blacks serve longer sentences for the same crimes at all. Black disproportionately commit worse crimes but make plea deal more often and get severe changes reduced, but time served remains mostly the same. Nobody except non-profit activist groups will make that claim because activist groups omit all the data of the initial charges brought and plea deals.
> Minority children disproportionately abandon their children because:
Bullshit excuses. Black mothers can abort any child they want and it's a bit racist to pretend 75% of black households are single-parent homes because they are all so fucking dirt poor they cannot afford premium birth control and it's doubly bigoted to assume blacks only choose to be responsible with sex when they use the Cadillac birth control options.
Fathers that get locked up ONLY get arrested and convicted because they commit crimes. A sad disproportionate amount of crimes. 3% of the population does over 30% of all crimes in the country.
The reason these families are broken is that shitty women and men abusing their children, which begets more hurt, unloved, angry, neglected, abused children that engage in criminal activity.
>Minorities commit more crimes because they are poorer, this has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with economic class.
Pure fiction. Poverty has no impact on crime at all. It's exclusively due to the abuse of children. Unfortunately, blacks are some of the most abusive to their own.
The stat I saw is 24% -- there's a Fresh AIr interview with this author, she talks about how little time and attention most killings of black men receive
I think we need to defund slightly, and redirect money to where it is needed. I am really excited Berkeley has removed police from traffic stops- that is a great place to start.
Police should not be sent to deal with a homeless person or a mental health issue in most cases. We need to send the person or a team of people that actually have the solution. Armed officers should only show up when the best solution is an arrest. Not when their only solution is an arrest and doesn’t solve the actual problem.
This is a great book explaining how black and brown communities are actually underpoliced - because there is limited trust and police focus on the wrong stuff. Stopping and frisking instead of solving homicides and violent crimes.
https://www.amazon.com/Ghettoside-True-Story-Murder-America-ebook/dp/B0062OCN4E
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