I was a cub reporter in Washington when this book book came out. It made a huge splash at the time. Ordinary Germans not only knew, they were enthusiastic participants. Can you imagine qult members rounding up brown people, gays, etc. ? I fear soon we won't have to imagine.
Exactly, and when the war was clearly over as Soviets were advancing near concentration camps, Nazi soldiers would still take Jews on “death marches.” There’s a great book about this and what u/TEEWURST876 mentioned above by Daniel J. Goldhagen titled Hitler’s Willing Executioners for anybody interested.
Your discussion of Nazi Germany is accurate, but the crushing economic situation after World War I is but one factor which led to the Holocaust. I recommend Hitler's Willing Executions: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust.
I don't think you meant to say that regular folks only turn to murder because they feel economically oppressed. American Southerners mounted a campaign of terror and murder post-Reconstruction, which again roped in ordinary people to kill based on ideology.
A country with 3.5% unemployment is not attracted to fascism for primarily economic reasons. The economy was a mess in 2008 - people didn't go all Blood and Soil, because the Party in charge was promoting hope, not fear of the other.
Those struggling the hardest pay the least attention to politics in America. The economy is good. Trump's followers are not destitute. We have to grapple with the fact that economics is not the motivating factor for people voting for Republicans and fascism.
Read Hitlers Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust.
https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685
Basically, people who do terrible, unimaginable things aren't monsters - they are just like you and I.
No, it isn't. If you would like to know more I suggest you read "Hitler's Willing Executioners" by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen and "Ordinary Men" by Christopher Browning
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Are you one of the Zionist volunteers that get notified whenever there is any anti-Israel post? "Hey, we need a team to post pro-Israel replies on Reddit !!!!"
End apartheid: Boycott Israel.
PS: A jew wrote the book: "Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust" ... what are your thoughts on that?
https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685
…wtf? No, Germans absolutely knew about the holocaust as it was happening. Theres multiple sources on this
Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust https://www.amazon.com/dp/0679772685/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_8CTDVA2JWAY676GXK3QK
Life in the Third Reich: Daily Life in Germany, 1933-1945 https://www.amazon.com/dp/1398803936/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_HSGC269WD78HBP994CAK?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
My Opposition: The Diary of Friedrich Kellner – A German against the Third Reich https://www.amazon.com/dp/1108406963/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_G50B2W74N4GV4HDTW098?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Our space program was developed by a literal actual nazi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
We had an entire secret program to bring literal nazi scientists here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip You can literally look them up individually to find out their SS rank and where they were stationed. Claiming most Germans and scientists just somehow didn’t know is nazi revisionist propaganda and was used as a defense by many war criminals. It’s 2021, you’re way too late to believe theres any possible validity to claim otherwise.
> You've never heard of a throwaway account? Weird.
It means you start from a position of zero credibility as an anonymous internet coward, and have to work your way up from there. I had to go look up the meaning of whatever silly subbreddit you referenced. When you start with a strawman like that I said the Wehrmacht was some "perfect organization" or whatever, well I just reported your post to the mods.
> The Role of the German Army during the Holocaust: A Brief Summary. - The United States Holocaust Museum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBRuf8Sl1Oo
The behavior of senior generals is not very surprising. To claim that the average conscript was a Nazi, is wrong, and specifically disclaimed by this video. The average conscript is worried about getting shot by officers for not following orders, and making it out of the war alive. History doesn't always give you good options for what you're going to go through, or what you're going to end up participating in, if survival is one of your priorities. Any other view of war for the common person, is completely fatuous.
> Killing the ‘Clean’ Wehrmacht: The Reality of the German Army and the Holocaust by Dr Waitman Beorn - Uni of Huddersfield News & Research https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJORtC8QDXA
I don't really have the time for a 1 hour video, but I did skip to a few parts of it. That the Eastern Front was "total war" and not obeying the Geneva Conventions, is not news. Yeah maybe someone would be uncomfortable playing the nasty Germans on the Eastern Front. Whereas playing a German sitting in a bunker on D-Day, might not be any problem for them. The original comparison was to Saving Private Ryan, after all. If you're in the West fighting other Aryans, you get different treatment. Yep, that's a fact.
> Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685
I can read the sales jacket, but I'm not going to buy the book. Yeah we can have ~50% of the USA vote for Trump and his insurrectionists too. We had public lynchings in the South, made into postcards sent through the US mail. Doesn't make every American a white supremacist sympathizer, enabler, or participant.
And again, who's in charge. You principled enough to take a bullet in your head, rather than someone else's? You don't always get to stand against the dominant gang, if you expect to live.
> Public opinion in semisovereign Germany : surveys by the Office of the U.S. High Commissioner for Germany, 1949-1955 https://archive.org/details/publicopinionins00merr/page/204/mode/2up
The bookmarked page, doesn't appear to have anything to do with the subject of discussion at all.
This completes my quite reasonable time investment in the subject matter. It doesn't change my initial correction. Being in the German Army, doesn't automatically mean you're doing Nazi stuff. Or have much choice in the matter, even if you end up doing it.
Maybe, maybe not. Get her this? http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685
There are plenty of books about the German populace's complicity in the Holocaust and many do make some controversial and arguable claims, but I think the book that stays closest to historical fact is this one. I understand you're not going to just order this book and read it because I disagree with your claims, but if you really want to understand how the Holocaust happened and why the Germans did it, read this. The book basically documents how the Nazis persuaded the German populace to along with its genocidal ideology. Thuggery, scapegoating, and good old fear were the main tools the party used.
This is also a fascinating read: The Good Old Days: The Holocaust as Seen by Its Perpetrators and Bystanders
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685
Here you go.
I could address each and every point you are making, because it's one a freshman college student would say..but I am done with this inane conversation.
Btw, I have studied the history of this era pretty significantly and have a degree in it.
You can run but you cannot hide...
Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust https://www.amazon.com/dp/0679772685/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_bDmUCbGFGZN4G
Do you people not have the ability to think for yourselves?
Edit: He states, at the beginning, that the source he is drawing from is "Hitler's Willing Executioners" so saying that he isn't aware that the Nazis enslaved people is entirely false.