That's good to know about the kit being good up to 5 days after. Something I learned from being ostracized by that group was 1. who my friends are and 2. I really don't need those assholes. Friends flew in from as far as Hawaii to support me when I made my deposition and from Iceland to accompany me to court dates. Let me know if you need to vent, be distracted or want someone to relate details about legal stuff (I highly recommend reading "I never called it rape" before your deposition, it really helped me articulate myself.) or want someone to be a soundboard. It's not easy and that's an understatement, but I doubt you'll regret it. <3
I don't know what other post you're talking about. be more specific with your "you", please.
> Historical examples:
You're asking a lot here and it's not easy to condense. You do understand that this is not something that can easily be quantified as an example without producing books of literature, right? I'll do what I can, but you will need to be understanding here, because some of these are less direct, but examine the historical and social environments that allow this behavior to flourish. You also must look at how women have been treated throughout history, which is reflected even today (as second-class citizens, if not just property). Context is important, after all, and a lot of these examples also point to the problem I mentioned. This also involves rape culture... which I expect you to hand-wavingly dismiss.
Well to start The History of rape. Too many things to quote there, but you'll just have to read the article.
"women submit to your husbands" link, for one. Notably that the bible (whether you agree with it or not) is the base for a great deal of our society and law.
Look at the pushback regarding women's suffrage and the messages they contain.
Laws against women (international)
historical US laws against women
A list of books on gender roles that will likely give you what you want (but I doubt you'll actually read them).
What Does 'Sexual Coercion' Say About A Society?
If you want to look at the Quran for guidance, how about you look at actual facts also: for example Rape in Saudi Arabia, where women are punished more harshly than men, or laws regarding rape victims and Honor Killings, specifically in regard to rape victims. What do those things say about their societies?
Rape culture and victim-blaming
Marital rape which frankly, isn't even a crime in some places.
Why women who are sexually assaulted remain silent
Being Silenced: The Impact of Negative Social Reactions on the Disclosure of Rape
One of the telling points is that things like the previous links exist because this is a significant problem. Recent examinations of this problem do not mean the problem no longer exists, or didn't exist, in the past. These things don't just appear ex nihilo.
TLDR: women are encouraged to not report, and when they do, they're punished for it by society (legally and otherwise). Even when they fight back, they're still demonized. They are told that what happened either "wasn't rape" or was "their fault."
Now, if you want actual examples of this in action (instead of links, research, studies, etc. that point to it), you'll have to look at some very detestable stuff, like this, but frankly, I don't want to search too far into that shit.
>The l in 4 and all of that bullshit has been debunked throughly at this point.
no it hasn't, conservative groups have certainly tried to claim that though.
There is no 'original' study there are many studies which have been conducted over several decades which all show a similar rate of reported attempts or completed rapes. They're listed in the first link after the article.
>gestures the interviewees DIDN'T find offensive
When given a description more women admit to being raped when the word rape is not used. When asked 1/3 men admitted they would rape a woman if there were no consequences, but only half that amount said the same when the word rape was used. These women admitted they suffered the legal definition of rape when it was described to them, even if many didn't realize it was rape - not realizing what rape actually is is an issue for many rape survivors.
>Specifically, when survey items describe behaviors (i.e.,‘‘Have you ever coerced somebody to intercourse by holding them down?’’) instead of simply label them (i.e., ‘‘Have you ever raped somebody?’’), more men will admit to sexually coercive behaviors in the past and more women will self-report past victimization.*
Please show me where Foubert's research is "debunked"
So I provide 4 links, that reference the same numbers, and all cite different things for the statistic. You find an article published by the school which includes a citation, and then say the citation doesn't count. To expand on this, you're going to find varying numbers everywhere due to under reporting. Which means the actual number is likely higher.
This book: http://www.amazon.com/Never-Called-Rape-Recognizing-Acquaintance/dp/0060925728 http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/sv-datasheet-a.pdf etc.
I didn't clarify, sexual is defined as, "a statutory offense that provides that it is a crime to knowingly cause another person to engage in an unwanted sexual act by force or threat."
> http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
That's not the source. This is. Just because someone says a statistic doesn't make it true. You need to go back to the original paper. I'm telling you this so that you can be more rigorous about the way you cite these things.
The first thing to look at is the sample population. Since this is a randomized telephone interview, there is less likely to be bias in favor of increasing the frequency of rape and attempted rape (like often happens in clinical studies - Why? Because the sample population does not represent the general population.) So, so far so good. The only thing that worries me is the lack of mention of a response rate, and a lack of mention of what time of day they called. But that tends to be a weakness of all surveys anyway. And it can be hypothesized (not proven) that such refusals to answer might indicate an underestimated rape and attempted rape rate for the population. tl;dr: I made sure this survey was not made with a biased clinical sample.
The next thing to look at is how rape and attempted rape is defined in the survey questions. I'm actually quite pleased with both the definition and the survey questions. In many surveys, the questions are biased to increase the frequency of a particular, desired response. This survey is extremely well defined.
So this resource is actually quite excellent compared to a lot of the crap resources I've seen cited on this subject. I would say this gives an accurate upper bound on the rape rate in the US. Furthermore, this study from 2007 corroborates it.
A particularly disheartening stat from the 1998 paper: the majority of women who experienced rape at some point in their lifetime were first raped under the age of 18. And a lot of those happened under the age of 12.
And another interesting thing I gleaned from that paper is that (1) statistically men are the victims of domestic violence more often than women, and (2) domestic violence is pretty damn pervasive - more than half of all respondents experienced it within their lifetime. But that's a tangent and I'll leave it at that.
> http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php
This doesn't cite the original paper. It cites a book which in turn cites a nonacademic survey of Ms Magazine readers. Hardly generalizable to the general population. Don't cite this. It's crap and false.
> http://www.rwu.edu/studentlife/studentservices/counselingcenter/sexualassault/rapemyths.htm
Fails to even list a citation. You're just gonna trust them because they said it's true? Just because "one-in-four" is a meme doesn't make it true. And I find it especially depressing that a webpage designed to dispel myths won't bother citing all its sources, thus being susceptible to telling myths.
> http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html
Regarding "fact #5," it cites this book, which is actually from the same survey as this paper I referenced above. And to be honest, I have no idea where they got the "one in four" number from. Because the rape prevalence for women is one in six, not four, and the physical assault prevalence is more than 50%. Very curious. This website obviously doesn't scrutinize their facts very well.
Regarding "fact #6," it cites this paper. Before reading the paper, I'm already suspicious: how could the college rape rate exceed the rape rate over a woman's entire life? (Why is this survey's rate so much greater than the ones previously cited in this comment?)
It turns out this statistic doesn't even appear in the original paper. Whoever read the paper failed to read the relevant table properly. On page 11, exhibit 3, an estimated 27.7 out of 1000, or 2.77%, experience completed or attempted rape. And that's even with the survey's rather permissive (more permissive than previously cited papers) definition of completed and attempted rape. That is, feminist.com repeats an outright lie because they failed to read the original paper correctly.
> Also, you could have googled this just as easily as I did before you start calling things false statistics.
Actually, it is you who could have done your own google search before citing false statistics.
In the future, I hope you are more vigilant about the information you spread on the internet, ensuring that it's facts you're spreading, not myths. Spreading falsehoods only serves as a detriment to feminism and individual rights for all genders.
tl;dr: 1 in 6 is accurate; 1 in 4 is not.