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lol jesus fucking christ, everyone understands that aipac is shorthand for a constellation of pro-israel lobbying groups and donors. go read the israel lobby if you're seriously this dense
>AIPAC doesnt spend that much money compared to other lobby groups
They are one of the most powerful lobbying groups in this country and by FAR the most powerful with regards to foreign policy.
A little about the author:
"John J. Mearsheimer is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, where he has taught since 1982. He graduated from West Point in 1970 and then served five years as an officer in the U.S. Air Force. He then started graduate school in political science at Cornell University in 1975. He received his Ph.D. in 1980. He spent the 1979-1980 academic year as a research fellow at the Brookings Institution, and was a post-doctoral fellow at Harvard University's Center for International Affairs from 1980 to 1982. During the 1998-1999 academic year, he was the Whitney H. Shepardson Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York."
He's a brilliant writer and this book in particular lays a very solid groundwork for understanding just how much Israel has us on puppet strings. Oman may been an actual anti-semite, but the points she's making are not anti-semitic.
This is known as hasbara; Israel's incessant propaganda campaign to censor the truth about its criminality. Reddit is particularly bad because the administation is sympathetic to the pro-Israel agenda. Thus, major subs, like /r/worldnews, are allowed to be hasbara moderated and brigading is permitted.
It 100% affects you in the US.
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
No country has co-opted American policy making like Israel has.
I’m pretty supportive of Israeli interests. I am 100% against Zionist influence of American policy posture and aid the us gives.
Israel should pursue its interests as it sees fit but the US should not help.
The United States has developed a vested interest in Israel for a lot of reasons. It's important to the US to have a stalwart, democratic, military ally in the region that will permit them access to the heart of the Middle East for their varied missions. (I won't address the United States' interests in the region since that is a different topic.)
The United States is also interested in Israel because of a substantial foreign policy lobby that continually lobbies the US government on Israel's behalf.
The US has also brokered peace agreements between Israel, Palestine, and other Arab nations. Seeing those agreements work in perpetuity is a priority for America because it demonstrates her power as a broker of peace and beneficial hegemon.
There are also religious, economic, and more diplomatic ties that keep the United States tethered to Israel.
Also recognize that people can be interested in both things: I can have strong views about the Arab-Israeli-Palestinian conflict and also have important insights and opinions on COVID-19, my livelihood, etc. Just because Americans tend to have strong opinions on Israel and Palestine does not mean we are ignoring other priorities or disregarding our own welfare.
>how the heck do they have so much influence.
It's two things: (1) Most Americans don't care that much about foreign policy (which means that well-organized special interest groups can often get their way in American politics on issues of foreign policy), and (2) Israel has a very extensive and well-organized lobbying apparatus in the United States. It used to be taboo to discuss the influence of the Israel Lobby in American politics but things have changed ever since Walt & Mearsheimer wrote The Israel Lobby & US Foreign Policy in 2007. Now everyone who has any morsel of intellectual honesty or political awareness (including Israel's defenders in the United States) will acknowledge that the Israel Lobby is a real phenomenon, headed but by no means exclusively represented by AIPAC.
Zionists own and operate American media. ALL SIDES OF IT. Do your own research, it’s indisputable.
America is Israel’s bitch. The Christians are blindly supporting apartheid Israel because they believe their Jesus needs a place to magically return, and the Zionist monsters that control the worlds banks and media are overtly leading the intellectually lazy right and left down a hole supporting Israel and the Zionist messianic belief that their own messiah (meshiac)also needs a state to re-emerge and control the world. Their beliefs are not a secret. The American media, people, and government are their tool.
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_DPY1PCSX4QK77FPX0A6G
Justice will never come. This system purposely keeps Americans deluded into thinking they have any influence on government policy. Only one power controls America…
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Brainwashed television watchers have no clue what you’re referring to. America is a corporatocracy run by self serving idiots. Television and mass media is controlled by Zionists that believe the world will one day be ruled by their messiah who will emerge from Israel. So they control what America sees, hears, and consumes from the inside. Don’t believe me??? Read for yourself. America is nothing but a tool for their ideals.
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_MWPTZ80NDR2GSAKP7D1Y
Oh yes I have.
Here's a great book I recommend to anyone here that would like to learn more about Israel's influence in American foreign policy. It was written in 2008, but still pertinent today:
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_navT_a_PXMVS3VWCSVEMT0JABAD
If you actually want to understand why the United States supports Israel, I recommend you order this book :
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
The authors make a very good analysis.
It's more complex than the ridiculous stuff I often hear such as "America always supported Israel" (No, they factually didn't until 1967) or "Israel totally controls America" (No they actually don't) . Those are simplistic childish answers that don't come close to a real analysis.
Again, not an article, but a book. You know the difference right? One of them is a professor of the Kennedy School at Harvard. The other teaches at the University of Chicago. What else?
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501/ref=nodl_
Are you a comedian? Israeli's almost run this country for all intent and purposes. A Mossad operative is more likely to be saying that orwelltheprophet will be dealt with. By the way, some Israeli operatives hacked my wedding photography website after I reviewed a couple books about the Mossad on Amazon. Merely a coincidence. https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534730222&sr=1-1&keywords=the+israeli+lobby&dpID=51ujbbqeS2L&preST=_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
> Israel is a satrapy of the USA
As Mearsheimer and Walt ask in The Israel Lobby, is all this grovelling by US politicians to Israel an attempt to cover up the fact that Israel is subordinate to the US, or is the more parsimonious explanation that it is the other way round?
EDIT: I just noticed that you are referring to a video game. You're joking, right?
This book should give you the answers you want
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
AIPAC is the single biggest foreign lobby in the country, but it's aided by the religious right and defense contractors. However, the direct lobby of AIPAC is still the number one reason.
> Well then why don't we just let them build their own, or by some from Pakistan?
Because much of our foreign policy establishment is staffed with Zionists who are more concerned with Israel's strategic interests than American strategic interests, and the Israel Lobby wields vast influence over many aspects of our government. It is clearly not beneficial to Israel to have another country become more powerful in a region that they've dominated for decades.
>If it's safer for everybody for Iran to have nukes, why would the P5+1 all want to stop them? We certainly don't have the same strategic interests as China or Russian.
Because most of those other countries are trading partners of Iran's and part of the deal involves reducing or eliminating sanctions against Iran, which benefits their interests.
>And why shouldn't everybody have them if proliferation is such a great mechanism for greater safety?
I've already explained this. Increased proliferation does increase the risks of a nuclear incident so it's better to have most countries that are not currently nuclear states rely on being protected by being under the nuclear umbrella of an ally. However we cannot continue to pretend that we are able to control the actions of every regime on the planet.
>Forgive me for being ignorant about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I just started reading about AIPAC
Good for you, do your own research.
If I may be so bold as to suggest this book:
In what I think is my first ever top level post here I'd like to discuss and point out some recently published claims by former officials that likely Israeli spy devices were found near the White House sometime in the last few years. Let me quote the article, bolded parts are mine:
> The U.S. government concluded within the past two years that Israel was most likely behind the placement of cellphone surveillance devices that were found near the White House and other sensitive locations around Washington, according to three former senior U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter.
> But unlike most other occasions when flagrant incidents of foreign spying have been discovered on American soil, the Trump administration did not rebuke the Israeli government, and there were no consequences for Israel’s behavior, one of the former officials said.
> The miniature surveillance devices, colloquially known as “StingRays,” mimic regular cell towers to fool cellphones into giving them their locations and identity information. Formally called international mobile subscriber identity-catchers or IMSI-catchers, they also can capture the contents of calls and data use.
> The devices were likely intended to spy on President Donald Trump, one of the former officials said, as well as his top aides and closest associates — though it’s not clear whether the Israeli efforts were successful.
Naturally these claims were denied by the Israeli embassy and no part of the U.S. government was willing to officially comment on it. They got another former counter intelligence official from the Obama administration to comment on these claims on the record and he said:
> “The Israelis are aggressive intelligence collectors, but they have sworn off spying on the U.S. at various points and it’s not surprising that such efforts continue,” said Daniel Benjamin, a former coordinator of counterterrorism at the Obama State Department and now director of the John Sloan Dickey Center for International Understanding at Dartmouth.
> Benjamin, who emphasized that he was not aware of the FBI's investigation into the cell-phone spoofing, recalled once meeting with a former head of Mossad, the premier Israeli intelligence agency, when he was out of office. The first thing the former Mossad official told Benjamin was that Israel didn’t spy on the U.S.
> “I just told him our conversation was over if he had such a low estimate of my intelligence,” Benjamin said.
Anyway, I imagine none of this is that surprising to informed commentators (the United States has caught and jailed an Israeli spy in the United States before, Jonathan Pollard) -- and the U.S. government probably tries to do the same thing to Israel. But none the less it sparks a little dissonance that one of our closest allies is engaged in such behavior despite our vigorous (and even more vigorous under Trump) support of them. I'm not sure what the standard protocol is to respond to these things but is troubling that the administration made no attempt to rebuke the Israeli government (as the officials claim).
This, in my opinion, undermines his 'America First' attitude. In general, criticisms that one is failing to live up to ones own standards are a lot more potent than the claims that one is failing to meet the standards of others, so we'll see how this comes up in the 2020 election. Some of the Democratic candidates are practically just as pro-Israel as him, though, so it may not come up.
We should always be wary of 'anonymous officials' attempting to further their own agenda but these claims do fit into my previous understanding of how Israel operates and Trump's sympathy to Israel so at the moment I believe them. Let me know if you think there is a good reason to doubt their veracity.
What should the response be? I don't really know, but surely some sort of response or punishment is warranted by blatant espionage. It makes me ever more wary of exactly who is benefiting from our close relations with them, even aside from the consideration of the influence of the Israeli lobby.
>Das Fragwürdige an Israelkritik ist mE die Singularität - die lautesten Kritiker hört man immer nur über Israel schimpfen.
Genau das gleiche Argument kommt bei USA und Trump-Kritik auch andauernd.
Erstens, ist es völlig irrelevant, da Kritik in einer bestimmten Diskussion erst mal für sich steht. Sie ist entweder berechtigt oder nicht aber sich dann, wenn man es nicht schafft die inhaltliche Kritik zu entschärfen, einfach darauf zu berufen, dass es ja auch "nordkoreanische Todeslager" gibt, ist einfach nur unehrlich. Ich muss mich mich nicht in eine Diskussion "einkaufen" in dem ich erst mal eine Liste der Top 10 autoritären Regime abarbeite um mich anschließend für eine Israel-Kritik "reingewaschen" zu haben. Würdest du dich mit dem gleichen Maßstab beurteilen, würdest du wahrscheinlich in kürzester Zeit selbst daran scheitern.
Zweitens, (und hier kommen wir wieder zur USA-Kritik zurück) ist der Grund warum man die USA und nicht den Sudan, warum man Israel und nicht Nordkorea kritisiert der, dass sich sowohl die USA als auch Israel als Teil der westlichen Wertegemeinschaft sehen. Von diesen Ländern darf man nicht nur einen höheren Standard an Menschenrechten erwarten, man kann auch hoffen, dass Kritik an diesen Ländern eine größere Wirkung hat, als der tausendste Artikel über nordkoreanische Straflager, die Kim Jong Un o.ä wohl kaum interessieren werden. Genauso wie es von Ungarn erwartet wird, sich an europäische Werte zu halten und Orban überproportional kritisiert wird, obwohl er keine buchstäblichen Todeslager in seinem Land hat.
>Meine Bitte: Schaut es euch selbst an, geht auch in die Palästinensergebiete, redet mit Leuten. Wer dann noch ernsthaft von einem rassistischen Apartheidsregime sprechen will, bitte.
Und hier redest du einfach Quatsch:
>Eine israelische Regierungskommission stellte beispielsweise 2003 fest, dass Israel sich ihnen gegenüber "gleichgültig und diskriminierend" verhält. In der Tat findet die Ungleichbehandlung israelischer Araber unter israelischen Juden viele Anhänger. Eine Umfrage vom März 2007 kam zu dem Schluss, dass 55 Prozent der israelischen Juden getrennte Freizeitangebote wünschten, während mehr als 75 Prozent sagten, sie wollten nicht im selben Haus leben wie ein israelischer Araber. Mehr als die Hälfte der Befragten meinte, wenn eine jüdische Frau einen Araber heirate, sei das Hochverrat, und 50 Prozent sagten, sie würden an ihrem Arbeitsplatz nicht arbeiten, wenn ein Vorgesetzter ein Araber wäre. Das Israel Democracy Institute berichtete im Mai 2003, dass 53 Prozent der israelischen Juden "gegen die volle Gleichberechtigung der Araber sind" während 77 Prozent der israelischen Juden glaubten, dass "es bei wichtigen politischen Entscheidungen eine jüdische Mehrheit geben sollte". Nur 31 Prozent "sind dafür, dass es arabische politische Parteien in der Regierung gibt". (...)
>
>Quelle (hier gibt's den 60-seitigen Aufsatz als PDF /edit: allerdings ohne den oben genannten Auszug, wie ich gerade gesehen habe)
This whole comment reads like textbook Jewish Internet Defence Force guide to disinformation.
> Russia would love for you to think this.
Of course, load the scapegoat.
> There is absolutely no evidence of Israeli election interference. They may have lobbied and used that kind of influence, but there has been no evidence of any kind of campaign at anything like the scale of what Russia did.
Lobbying might be legal in the US but lobbying does indeed influence elections, at the very least it influences the policies and decisions politicians.
> Chomsky is making this up.
The best way to show something is false, is to disprove it, can you disprove that Israel doesn't influence, interfere in American elections and politics? I think not, but I would like to see you try.
> All the people here saying he is right... they are from the right.
Oh yeah, everybody who believes something different than you must belong to a particular political group/ideology.
> And again, that is exactly why Russia (and the Right) would love for you to think this baseless claim.
How convenient.
Forgot to add.
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
Let me guess, now you are gonna call me or anyone who sees Israeli interference in American politics, Anti Semites?
The debate is now mainstream https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/so-just-how-powerful-is-the-israel-lobby-in-the-us-8478432.html
https://archive.org/details/TheIsraelLobby_AIPAC_DoesitHaveTooMuchInfluenceonUSForeignPolicy
It used to be that anyone who mouthed the world "Israel lobby" was dismissed as a kook in the past with flying accusations of anti-semitism, but when the head of AIPAC himself boasts openly of the influence they have
>I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin across the table. “You see this napkin?” he said. “In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.” https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/07/04/real-insiders
https://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Last-minute-Adelson-flushes-Trump-campaign-with-cash-471380
https://lobelog.com/three-billionaires-paved-way-for-trumps-iran-deal-withdrawal/
https://qz.com/1148673/trumps-jerusalem-move-is-backed-by-billionaires-lobbyists-and-evangelicals/
...and when news articles regularly report on how pro-billionaires are pushing the US to war on Iran just as they did with iraq then that's not really the case anymore and the debate is happening
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-prodding-us-to-attack-iran/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-to-us-dont-delay-iraq-attack/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/israel-nudges-trump-towards-war-with-iran/
>Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends, demands Israel https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/attack-iran-the-day-iraq-war-ends-demands-israel-gnggkk7pzbw
When Walt and Mearsheimer first published their book "The Israel Lobby" in the US they faced all sorts of difficulties getting heard https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
Their essay had to be published in London because US publishers refused to touch it https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby
Should that be the case?
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
TL;DR: combination of intense lobbying, support for a 'democratic' country in a despotic region, evangelist support, military/industrial complex interests. Also lobbying.
Yea it does seem oddly heavy handed, and obviously since this article has been published it has brought more attention to the very thing that was trying to be censored.
It just makes me think of how many times editors behind the scenes have axed any attempts to write about AIPAC or anything critical of Zionism that the public has never been made aware of, and we all have to pretend that people like Jeffrey Goldberg and Bari Weiss are in any way valuable resources to write about anything involving Israel that isn't blatant propaganda and how exclusively Zionist zealots have a complete stranglehold on any meaningful institutional discussions on the matter.
I know well respected writers and academics have talked about how its nearly impossible to find publishers willing to publish books critical of Israel and how they would often have to go foreign countries just to get someone to even entertain the idea, but were still meet with resistance anywhere in the English speaking world.
These 2 books should be required reading in every American and British Universities Poli Sci curriculum.
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
The depth of memory-holing on the events leading to the creation of Israel going back even before WW2 and in some cases before WW1 is incredible. Unfortunately it seems more likely that 100 years from now these books along with any honest description of AIPAC's influence on American & British middle eastern military policy will be labeled anti-semitic conspiracy theories after onslaughts by groups like the ADL and Brandeis Universities history department to label anyone who talks about this as a wackjob, eventually Zionist institutional support will wear down any small group who won't be able or willing to keep fighting, the same way things have been going since the end WW2.
Here's a good book from 2008 that explains, most probably it is too powerful.
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
Lmao, look at this dude.
This subreddit's booklist recommends an excellent book on this exact subject: <em>The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy</em> by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt.
The reasons for such staunch support of Israel in the United States are legion. They include, but are not limited to:
- Israel is a consistent and reliable U.S. ally in its wars and incursions in the Middle East.
- Evangelical Christians within the United States demand support for Israel (also for numerous reasons).
- When Israel was declared to be a country, the United States was in the opening rounds of the Cold War and was actively recruiting countries to its "side." Maintaining those relations with Israel became an important bulwark against Soviet support for the Arab nations. When the Cold War ended, the support had become entrenched U.S. Foreign Policy.
If anyone wants to read more about this topic, check out this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
John Mearsheimer is an amazing political scientist and this book will open your eyes to the extent that Israel has buried it's claws into the US government.
This is what actually leads to the rise, the inability to question or criticize policies or discuss ground realities where some groups have strong influence in the US government, not some joker or athlete or musician:
- https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
- https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-04-13-mn-22383-story.html
These are documented facts by independent NGOs.
Great book by the way https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
I wish we wouldn't. You guys (Israel) got us into the Iraq War and now you're not supporting Ukraine. Pricks.
Lmao sorry, you just keep believing what the Zionist programming box tells you. When is the last time you heard a corporate American media source inform you about the Blatant apartheid state that Israel imposes in Palestine? Who exactly owns the major media outlets in America, who produces television programming, who owns the banks, etc?
An example of how America actively subsidizes Zionist interests …
“The companies said that the Federal Reserve would provide special financing in connection with the transaction and that the Fed had agreed to fund up to $30 billion of Bear Stearns’s “less-liquid assets.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/business/16cnd-bear.html
And might want to read this book before claiming that Zionists don’t direct American policy….
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
And the foreign interests that direct its every move….
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
If you really want to know, read this. The answers you seek are in it kemosabe.
It’s by design. The Zionist American media has perfected the television/radio/internet PROGRAMMING to ensure that the consumers are entranced and hypnotized by the dopamine addiction into infighting their way to their own graves. As long as the advertising money keeps coming in and Israel is never examined for its war crimes and apartheid, Americans remain blind to reality.
America needs a complete overhaul from the constitution, Bill of rights, separation of powers, etc., into modern versions that reflect the population it governs.
Get religion and corporations out of government or we’re headed right back into the dark ages. Historically, empires lay around 250 years, we’re due for a fall, and this Zionist controlled television addicted population is bringing us there in a hurry.
https://www.times-standard.com/opinion/20170627/the-average-age-of-an-empire-a-mere-250-years
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_P89M71SPXB8S5RDRDH1Q
With the Zionist bankers and media promoting every step
Thank Israel for this disaster….
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_5RFB4WCR5JJ4MJR3BGFH
Israel is an apartheid state backed by the United States. Israel controls American from the inside and their crimes backed in full by the American Evangelist/fundamentalist Christian movement.
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_AX0V25213TPQCR599GR4
And on terrorism…
State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel https://www.amazon.com/dp/1566560683/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_BAQP3HA0ZDNNRXFY7C4N
Lol did you learn this in your Christian church or from Fox News? The Balfour declaration of 1917 was put forth by the Rothschilds to forget their own empire building aspirations….. “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”.
Muslims and Jews had lived harmoniously in the region for millennia. Until EUROPEANS with little or no Jewish genetic heritage concluded that they needed a separate state, free from European nation pressures and regulations with which to launch their megalomaniacal plans to control global commerce, security, and perception of history.
Once they had falsely asserted this nebulous concept of inherent ownership of Palestine, they proceeded to militarily invade and occupy the region and entice millions of European ideological Jews with no genetic Palestinian lineage to immigrate and settle the region on lands stolen from the indigenous inhabitants.
Israel is an illegal occupation. Period.
And the state of Israel’s persistent border expansions indicate that they observe no law, whether international treaty or moral.
If someone sold the land of my forefathers and continued to occupy and denigrate it, I would be firing rockets and throwing stones with my last breath too.
Educate yourself before drinking the koolaid.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Balfour-Declaration
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-mass-migration-of-the-1950s/
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080016/israel-zionism-war-1948
https://media.nationalgeographic.org/assets/file/jews_MIG.pdf
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_NZKGZGVJXMNZ3TA60D4F
Maybe you find allies with Donald trump or Pat Robertson, but the rest of the world knows exactly what’s going on with the genocidal actions and aspirations of Israel. Bury your head further in Zionist owned American media or fundamentalist Christian fairy tales if you choose, but the facts will never die.
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_P7WR01PM6YFDRQF05WTX
Read the entire book and try telling me Israel doesn’t own the US.
No. Control. Money isn’t the end goal here. It’s controlling world leaders into doing anything Israel commands them to do. That goes for wars, economies, border drawing, media campaigns, world health matters, means of production, banking, etc., etc.
Control is what the Zionists are always after. Maintaining and enlarging the state of Israel is their stated objective. It’s where they believe their next Jewish messiah will emerge, and when he does, they claim the whole world will bow to his authority.
Fucking insane shit, but true. Look around. America does whatever Israel tells it to for a reason. Zionists run this country.
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_QBGY05DVRKAFS1PBC6BK
And in the Zionist belief system, goyim, non-Jews are to be treated as less than human. This is why non Jewish children are used in mosad sex blackmail schemes like this. And this is why the Zionists have no problem draining the resources and will of America from the inside.
State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel https://www.amazon.com/dp/1566560683/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_QGSN86BTQXGY8852TPWY
You mean this Doug Coe???
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Coe
Yeah he may wield influence in the evangelist right wing crazy army that is firmly entrenched in DC, but he isn’t the top of the fundamentalist lobby food chain.
That whole bunch is unknowingly being directed and controlled by thethe Zionists anyways. You wanna know who wields power in Washington, look toward Israel and read this book….
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_NZ6D7XKSRJQKQH1R911G
And while Zionist Israel controls much of America’s military directives, financial concerns, and media outlets, and possibly has motive to keep America addicted to the cartels products, Mexican cartels aren’t known to be influenced by them. I’ve never seen evidence myself.
Weird: someone commented on this post something like "Bad News: most people on this sub lately prefer memes over real content and analysis" to which I made a detailed reply about the changes this sub has gone through in the past several years, also talking about censorship and shadowbanning, and immediately the comment I was responding to disappeared. Not sure why but now it shows that it was deleted (i can't imagine why the commenter would delete such a comment). Anyway I will include my response which may have also disappeared:
I went through and have seen that many of my posts and comments here have been shadowbanned or something, not sure how to explain but they are visible to me yet not visible to others (like if I search for it outside of my account). I can't remember which posts they were but they were clearly ones that spoke important truths that the corporate fascists want to suppress.
Here I will choose one example of a topic or area of discussion that has been wiped from this sub and apparently is taboo to our corporate overlords but which was only a few years ago a constant topic of discussion:
You never see anything here anymore about Zionism for instance, whereas there used to be a consensus in this sub regarding certain main points that are only contested by the deluded and propagandized; there was generally an acknowledgement of what notable academics Mearshimer and Walt show definitively, namely that the Israel Lobby essentially controls the US government (https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501).
There would also be discussions of Ariel Toaffs book Blood Passover: https://www.amazon.com/Passover-Europe-Ritual-Murder-PAPERBACK/dp/B0863S9WJF
There would be discussions about Norman Finkelstein's book The Holocaust Industry: https://archive.org/details/HolocaustIndustry
Yes there would occasionally be antisemitic comments here or there, but these opinions were clearly fringe minority and got lots of pushback and downvotes.
I mean, is it possible to even discuss the 3 books mentioned above without delving into antisemitism? Of course it is possible! That was a rhetorical question, as the above books are reputable scholarly works written by Jewish authors (at least in the case of Finkelstein and Toaff) who clearly are not engaging in antisemitism but are making extremely important contributions to scholarship.
However the Overton window has shifted so far in the direction and favour of those who make the spurious case that criticizing the Israeli state and apartheid regime is inherently antisemitic. This has become official policy in the United States (I think almost all states now have laws to such an effect, that for instance you cannot be a school teacher or receive hurricane aid if you support BDS), and so apparently it has become official policy of the bot farm that is Reddit.
What can we do? Let's promote critical thinking around significant topics, especially the ones that have irrationally become taboo since that shows that you're over the target (when you're getting flak)
I went through and have seen that many of my posts and comments here have been shadowbanned or something, not sure how to explain but they are visible to me yet not visible to others (like if I search for it outside of my account). I can't remember which posts they were but they were clearly ones that spoke important truths that the corporate fascists want to suppress.
Here I will choose one example of a topic or area of discussion that has been wiped from this sub and apparently is taboo to our corporate overlords but which was only a few years ago a constant topic of discussion:
You never see anything here anymore about Zionism for instance, whereas there used to be a consensus in this sub regarding certain main points that are only contested by the deluded and propagandized; there was generally an acknowledgement of what notable academics Mearshimer and Walt show definitively, namely that the Israel Lobby essentially controls the US government (https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501).
There would also be discussions of Ariel Toaffs book Blood Passover: https://www.amazon.com/Passover-Europe-Ritual-Murder-PAPERBACK/dp/B0863S9WJF
There would be discussions about Norman Finkelstein's book The Holocaust Industry: https://archive.org/details/HolocaustIndustry
Yes there would occasionally antisemitic comments here or there, but these opinions were clearly fringe minority and got lots of pushback and downvotes.
I mean, is it possible to even discuss the 3 books mentioned above without delving into antisemitism? Of course it is possible! That was a rhetorical question, as the above books are reputable scholarly works written by Jewish authors (at least in the case of Finkelstein and Toaff) who clearly are not engaging in antisemitism but are making extremely important contributions to scholarship.
However the Overton window has shifted so far in the direction and favour of those who make the spurious case that criticizing the Israeli state and apartheid regime is inherently antisemitic. This has become official policy in the United States (I think almost all states now have laws to such an effect, that for instance you cannot be a school teacher or receive hurricane aid if you support BDS), and so apparently it has become official policy of the bot farm that is Reddit.
What can we do? Let's promote critical thinking around significant topics, especially the ones that have irrationally become taboo since that shows that you're over the target (when you're getting flak)
>Oh wait the "zionists" control the US government trope again. Is this the far right or the far left version?
Maybe a book can help you.
Excellent book on the subject. I remember when it came out, the writers were ostracized over it:
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_GR28FSYH6X5J83W11E4Q
Yes their names are John Mearshiemer and Stephen Walt. They wrote a book about it:
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
Good book on why they can get away with this:
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
This was written in 2006, but it explains a lot (and will make your blood boil) and is an excellent read..
Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_QnR1FbRM0RY04
Islam is very politically prescriptive relative to all other major religions, if you're not for major reform you're for political Islam and inherently endorse the morality of jihad and although this is a very loaded term now some form of "islamic state"
I'm not trying to single out Muslims, they hold little political sway domestically. They're just an easy example/target because of all this prescription on secular things and polling is easy to digest. They openly admit they believe a doctrine that would by my standards make them traitors. They are the poster child for "bad immigrants" and why the right focus on them.
But as a more powerful example of an interest group, would not make all these mistakes in the Middle East post soviets if it were not for interests who care too much about Israel. Zionist Evangelicals and Jews have warped our foreign policy in that area.
As documented famously by Walt and Mearsheimer.
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
There would have been no invasion of Iraq without Zionist interests in our government and lobbying from outside it. That's just a historical fact. Now whether or not Evangelicals in their mind think Israel is as important as the US in a secular sense is unclear. But the loyalty test will make it clear to them where society expects them to come down on this issue. And Jews with only a secular connection to Israel would certainly be violating a loyalty oath. Secular attachment isn't ambiguous
As a half Indian let me assure you there are Indian so called Americans conspiring warp policy in Asia. Along with Chinese, Koreans, Ukrainians and so many more less effective forces.
Trying to justify scenarios where it's in both our interests doesn't work and leads to debacles like Iraq. American interests must have primacy in your mind to be a good citizen.
I can come up with all sorts of facially anti-chinese but pro-indian policy that would also in theory benefit the US. That taints the thought process and leads to incorrect assessments of strictly American prerogatives.
Iraq was in theory supposed to be in American and Israeli interests. Didn't work out that way. Isreal it was maybe a wash. We wasted trillions and an unacceptable number of American lives
The next debacle might be in Asia fomented by Indians....Who knows
I'm glad you're calling me out and taking a position on this. Also glad that you're so confident in yourself that there's no way you're wrong!
Confidence backed up by a wikipedia article, that cites totally unbiased sources who in no way are adherents to the underlying philosophies at hand.
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>Jay received his Bachelor of Arts degree from Union College in 1965. In 1971, he completed his Doctor of Philosophy degree in history at Harvard University under the tutelage of H. Stuart Hughes. His dissertation was later revised into the book The Dialectical Imagination, which covers the history of the Frankfurt School from 1923 to 1950. While he was conducting research for his dissertation, he established a correspondence and friendship with many of the members of the Frankfurt School. He was closest to Leo Löwenthal, who had provided him access to personal letters and documents for his research. Jay's work since then has explored Marxism, socialism, historiography, cultural criticism, visual culture, and the place of post-structuralism and post-modernism in European intellectual history.
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If I had to guess, either the ADL or SPLC would be the originators of the idea that this is somehow antisemitic (no surprise, the fourth citation is an SPLC article). These organizations definitely do not have a history of using the antisemetic accusation to shut down speech (read a book sometime: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Chapter 6: Dominating Public Discourse. And they totally don't find hate under every rock to solicit donations from naive big brains like yourself.
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>The stakes are high for the ADL, because its moral authority is a moneymaker. The ADL and its fundraising foundation reported a combined total of $67 million in contributions in 2016, as Donald Trump took office and neo-Nazis marched in Charlottesville, including at least $11 million from fundraising events. (In 2013 it raised $750,000 in one night from its furniture industry “partners in the fight against hate”—one of its favorite phrases.) Perhaps more importantly, it is a source of cashless access in politics: the ADL’s role as advisor to elected officials on matters of civil rights, not limited to anti-Semitism, is both completely informal and pro forma in political offices.
http://bostonreview.net/politics/emmaia-gelman-anti-defamation-league-not-what-it-seems
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>The ADL has multiple interests in exaggerating and even promoting the threat of anti-Semitism. First, ADL perpetually has its hand out for donations, and what better way to motivate donors than a screaming headline that there are one billion anti-Semitic adults on the planet? In fact it wasted no time in doing that here, as ADL’s home page trumpets the frightening results and offers visitors an easy way to “Help ADL Change the World” with a single click. Just have your VISA card ready. It is difficult to imagine that the survey was not planned, at least in part, as a fundraiser, with foreknowledge of a direct relationship between the quantification of the danger and the anticipated revenues.
https://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/whats-survey-could-improved/
What am I wasting my time for? You've already called everyone a Nazi and declared victory.
It's simply not possible that proponents of postmodernism, critical theory, and classical marxism would ever declare something racist (in this case, antisemitic) to stifle critique of their horrible, wildly indefensible ideas. It would truly be uncharacteristic of them.
(lol... you said something about being "misinformed" and a "bad look"... you're going to have to try a bit harder next time before flexing those pencil arms)
Here's a good read on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
I am saying that Britain and France would get significantly stronger if they were to leave the EU not the other way round. I've actually devised a plan for how this would work. These nations are highly influential and powerful. They could try taking back the world for themselves if they wanted to. Also Having influence in the EU is largely irrelevant anyways. Angela Merkel said if Britain tried to limit immigration or freedom of movement they would face 'serious consequences'. This is one of the many things that is the wrong with the EU. You may have some power over the EU, but it comes at the expense of it having more power over you. This is why for me, the most powerful Brexit argument is that for national sovereignty. The EU limits Britain's ability to make it's own laws and trade with nations outside of the EU. It has moved the balance of power in Europe away from Britain and France. The EU is a hindrance to the full potential of these countries. It is far more beneficial to itself and 'poorer' European countries.
Also isolationism is a smear word against libertarian-ish Republican candidates. Ron Paul for example, a guy who was called an isolationist, only wanted isolationism in the military sense but was in favor global free trade. That isn't really isolationist now, is it? That's just the morally right thing to do. The migrant crisis was sparked by the West's involvement in both Syria and Iraq- nations which they had no right to be in.
Lastly,what is your stance on Israel? Several former congressman have said Israel is in complete in control of our government. The U.S. has vetoed 43 UN resolutions against Israel and every Presidential nominee from the two major parties in 2016, except for Bernie Sanders, spoke at AIPAC. I believe they are the greatest danger we face as a nation. I highly recommend these two books on the matter:
They make Russia look like a baby in trying to control the U.S. government.
Yes, it does.The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
Independence? The Nakba would disagree. Regardless, it's time for Israel to sink or swim on it's own. No more kibbutzim and "making the desert bloom" myth-making.
Israel is a mega-rich country, has 200+ nukes, votes here for our people and $$ to fight their wars, CIA = Mossad, behind 9/11 and ethically-cleansing the Palestinians from whom they stole the land.
Israel needs to BTFO.
US Politicians Who Hold Dual US/Israeli Citizenship (as of 2014... More now) http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767
The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
It triggers me and not in a good way. Mega-rich country, has 200+ nukes, votes here for our people and $$ to fight their wars, CIA = Mossad, and behind 9/11. Israel needs to BTFO.
US Politicians Who Hold Dual US/Israeli Citizenship (as of 2014... More now) http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767
The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
This book had a pretty big effect on my perception of US-Israel relations.
> ne veut pas éditer son livre sur le grand complot youpin
tu as lu le livre ?
>surtout quand c'est illégal
D’après toi.
>L'argument majeur du mec sur son bouquin sur Sarkozy étant que Sarko ayant eu un grand père maternel juif, il a été "élevé dans un milieu juif". Comment je réfute ça ? Comment il le prouve ?
L'article évoque la censure dont il fait l'objet, ce n'est pas une critique de ses bouquins.
>mais le complot juif français qui contrôle les élites, j'abandonne.
le lobby israelien/juif existe comme dans beaucoup d'autres pays ou il est étudié et critiqué sans aucune censure et matraquage médiatique. Faire passer cela pour du "protocole des sages de sion", c'est assez absurde.
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/09/iran-deal-and-the-end-of-the-israel-lobby.html
Did you know they expanded that article into a book? I've been meaning to read it for a while.
This book is all about that http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
> Could never understand why the US backed Israel so vehemently.
Actually plenty of "the Jews" themselves point out that Israel is lobbying for a US war on Iran. http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
This is pretty patently obvious http://www.uscatholic.org/culture/war-and-peace/2008/06/iran-spam
I would also recomment Stephen Walt's blog over at foreign policy. He's a realist (defensive neorealism) and has worked with Mearsheimer quite closely (The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy), and has a slightly less controversial take on worldl affairs than does Mearsheimer. Both have pulled me towards realism as having greater explanatory power on international politics, though G. John Ikenberry is also really great (neoliberal institutionalism).
Here’s the why though: Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374531501/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_N8KXF93KM9YR0RNN62SD
Israel also faked a terrorist attack on US & British embassies to get them more involved with fighting Israel's enemies.
More recently, Jonathan Pollard, an American born jew who sold US state secrets to Israel was recently given a "hero's welcome" in Israel by literally the president of Israel for gods sake, they aren't event trying to hide the fact that their relationship with the US is parasitic and purely to the benefit of Israel at the expense of the US. In a recent interview Pollard openly admitted to being more loyal to Israel than the US.
NYT story: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/world/middleeast/jonathan-pollard-israel-us-spy.html
Quote from the story of who got Pollard Released: "Mr. Adelson (Sheldon Adelson, check early life on Wikipedia if you'd like) has long bankrolled to provide Mr. Netanyahu with constant political backing. Mr. Adelson, one of the world’s richest men and a key supporter of President Trump’s, had long lobbied for Mr. Pollard’s release." But remember having billionaires who openly manipulate your government to the benefit of a foreign power who is spying on you is just an antisemitic myth :).
Thats not to get into Jeffrey Epsteins ties to Israeli intelligence through Ghislaine Maxwells father, Robert Maxwell. Its nearly unanimously agreed upon that Robert Maxwell stole state secrets from his country, Britain and sold them to Israel, just about the only doubters of that would be the same people telling you that we can't be sure Epstein didn't really kill himself. Or even to touch on how incredibly shady the history of Zionism is and the fact that zionism has existed well before the holocaust into the late 1800's and involved a ton of behavior that openly went against the well being of the nation states that Jews lived within.
These 2 books should be required reading in every American and British Universities poli sci department, but groups like the ADL and AIPAC would sue and slander any advocates for this information into another universe.
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
https://www.amazon.com/Against-Our-Better-Judgment-History/dp/149591092X
If you really think Israels sins against both the US and Britain are contained to one single event like the USS Liberty you have to do more reading. Israel has purely been a cancer for the US completely destabilizing the middle east in a way that threatened both American and British interests and has only helped to tarnish America's reputation on a global scale. The relationship is beneficial purely in one direction and we all have to sit around and pretend to not know why unless you are willing to suffer the social and professional consequences that come with honestly acknowledging why Israel gets WHATEVER it wants from the US treasury and military.
>What role does the military industrial complex play in your theory?
The military industrial complex is a left-wing conspiracy theory used to divert attention away from the Israel lobby's influence over American foreign policy.
If you would like to educate yourself for once, this is a good book on the subject:
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
>Edit: and what is the end game goal of the globalists?
I already told you. Are you slow on the uptake or something?
>Eli Lake can "raises questions" all he wants but All of NIAC'S budget, is about $1.5 million. Less than what AIPAC spends on shoeshines, and if that amount only %20 can be used for lobbying.
That was just one lobby for the pro-Iran side. There were many other special interests that were itching to do business in Iran. There was a lot of money floating around during negotiations.
>Pretending that Israel does not have a pernicious and unbalanced influence on US foreign policy is just being a flat earthen when even the most distinguished mainstream US experts say it does: http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
Pernicious? No I don't think so. It is not surprising a lobby representing Israeli interests is focused on Israeli interests. Unbalanced? Well they certainly are stronger force than many other countries. Here's a list from 2013 showing which 10 countries spent the most lobbying the US. http://wapo.st/1g4xzvO As you can see, Israel didn't make the list. Even if you include all of AIPAC's money as Israeli government lobbying, they don't even crack the top 5. There are many foreign governments trying to influence our policy in ways that befit them.
>What other FOREIGN GOVT gets the special treatment given to Osrael? Our congressional and presidential candidates and office holders regularly appear before AIPAC and swear never ending fealty to a foreign govt. We don't do that for the Germans, Poles, Japaneae...just Israel. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SVLELDY90-E
I think this is reaching a bit. Israel are our allies. We share lots of tech and intel that have benefited the US greatly. Just take a look at Israeli tech and it will shock you how much has been developed there. They are the only democracy in the Middle East with freedom of press, religion, and speech, meaning we value the same things and many times our interests align.
We require foreign governments to be US friendly or we don't support them. In fact with the amount of regimes and democratically elected governments we have toppled it could not be any more hypocritical to call out other countries for trying to influence us. Further, you could make similar arguments about politicians needing to pledge allegiance to Citigroup or Exxon. Israel is just one of many strong lobbies. They're not pulling the strings and dictating what will happen - they simply try to influence the outcome as best they can. They are no more nefarious or pernicious than any special interest.
Let me spell it out.
1) Israeli spokes person denounces attacks on BBC Radio 4 today program. Calls this act 'terrorism'. 2) Israeli spokes person moves on to generally talk about Israeli attacks on Palestinians as 'vigilante action'
This is factually correct and I don't need to clutch at anything. Don't care what was said by other people. That was what was said by this representative.
I have to say it feels as though you are clutching at straws to defend Israeli power. I can understand that you might be sympathetic to one or both sides in this conflict and feel that (maybe people like me) make an issue where there isn't one. You want to believe what people like Netanyahu say and feel they are being sincere. I understand this feeling but I've read enough to be confident I am not just looking for reasons to get angry. If you are interested at all where my perspective comes from I recommend reading Robert Fisk - his articles can be found on the Independent new paper website. He has also written some really interesting books. http://www.independent.co.uk/biography/robert-fisk He writes often about the different language that is used to describe the different sides of a conflict and the people involved.
I'd also recommend this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501 If you ever had any doubt about how much effort Israel puts into controlling the perception of what it does overseas.
Neither of these things will necessarily convince you "I'm right" or anything. But hopefully it would help you understand why people like me get so angry at these subtle uses of language.
>“A lobby is like a night flower: it thrives in the dark and dies in the sun" http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/07/04/real-insiders
But you are right -- it wasn't a "secret" -- but back in those days if anyone said anything about a profIsraeli lobby being influential, they were accused of being Nazi conspiracy theorists who bought into the whole "Protocols of Elders of Zion" conspiracy...yet on the other hand, AIPAC holds annual meeting and boasts about its influence-peddling ability (to get 50 Senators to sign a dinner napkin). So there is indeed a contradiction -- but again, it wasn't so long ago that you didn't mention pro-Israeli lobbying in polite company.
BUt that's over now, and that is a HUGE defeat for the lobby, because now they're exposed as just another special interest group that worse yet is acting to promote the interests of a foreign nation, by worse yet, pushing the US into a confrontation.
People have become sensitized to Israeli influence-peddling, and that is a huge defeat. Considering the role Israel played in the Iraq fiasco, they are very sensitive to this and wanted to not be seen pushing for war, but Nutjobyahoo ruined that. :P
See this book? http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501 There was a time when I was personally verbally attacked angrily for reading The Israel Lobby on a subway by some random guy, and at the office I was told to hide the book cover lest I offend anyone. Mearsheimer and Walt couldnt even get the book published in the US, and both have stated that they've given up on ever holding any sort of govt job ever again because of it. This despite the fact that they're both solidly mainstream professors not marginal kooks. But, those days are over, and now we have magazine covers asking questions like "Is the proIsraeli lobby too powerful'
That is really all there is to it. When the American Public stops ignoring the Jewish influence of America they can actually say something about it.
For anyone who is interested in an academic study of Jewish/Israeli influence on American politics I would commend this:
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
Great outline for how batshit insane our relations with Israel are and the sheer amount of influence this little country holds over the US political institutions. The authors are 2 of the most accredited contemporary FP authors of our generation - something not to be taken lightly as just 2 random people writing shit.
What you won't see is Israel take its aggressive policies anywhere. They will continue to bribe, blackmail, use strategy of tension, and make waves until the US is forced to participate in one way or another. And we aren't stupid. We know its happening hence why your comment is at the top.
Of course, speaking these truths will invariably lead to the dull and boring red harring as to whether what we are saying is indeed racist.
Being able to question and politically condemn the amount of effort Israel puts on manipulating the US political institutions is not a conspiracy to kill Jews.
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
I'd strongly recommend this book. It's by one of the world's foremost authors on international relations and political theory. It does a great job showing just how powerful they really are.
Now, before you start calling me a nazi, suggesting that the jews are powerful is in no way antisemitic. Even suggesting they are disproportionately powerful is not anti-semetic, that's simply fact. Anti-semetic is suggesting "the jews are extremely powerful, we should do something about it."
I think its time for us all to read the brilliant work of John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt's The Israel Lobby.
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
Yes I agree. You are talking about the Israel Lobby. The same people are the neocons that tricked the US to go to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and soon Iran.
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501/
>Israel is an important US strategic partner in the Middle East
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This is actually a highly questionable assertion as the authors of The Israel Lobby point out, and in fact Israel has been more of a burden and liability to the US and cause for undermining US interests in the region.
There are these things called books. I'm sure the nice librarian can explain to you how they work.
> Can you provide a single example of that ever happening in the history of the United States?
How about you read a scholarly book about the Pro-Israel lobby and its effect on American politics, before you make your ignorance more apparent.
https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
One important work, I think, is this one https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
Especially regarding the US' role in the conflict if that interests you.
> You realize the majority of our country’s voters have no opinion on Israel
No, I don't. Care to back this assertion up with anything?
> and probably don’t even know anything about the situation?
Agree.
>You don’t have to be firmly “up her ass” to not care about a random interview she gave or comments she made about Israel.
You do care though, which is why you're here going on and on about it.
> She’s not even seated yet
Woah, breaking news over here.
> and even when she is what does one freshman member of congress’s opinion on Israel matter?
Christian Zionists don't exist in great numbers. Zionist Jews are non-influential in America. This should help some: https://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501
> Again. The bulk of Americans literally just don’t really care
Again, evidence of this?
> are more concerned about getting affordable healthcare, the cost of their kids college and just making ends meet.
No shit, sweaty, as they should be.
No, it is not true that AIPAC funds politicians in the USA - it isn't a PAC, it's a lobbying organization.
EDIT: If anybody downvoting me would like to learn something about the truth of how our government operates rather than perpetuate a shallow and illogical conspiracy theory about jewish influence, this AIPAC critical article by Stephen Walt, who literally wrote the book on the Israel Lobby and its negative influence on the american body politic, is a good place to start. For the purposes of this conversation, let me quote the following passage
>Fourth, like other interest groups, the Israel lobby uses a variety of strategies to accomplish its goals. Some of its influence comes from campaign contributions to political parties or politicians (although AIPAC does not do this) ,some from direct lobbying on Capitol Hill, some from public outreach (op-eds, books, position papers, media appearances, etc.), and some from the role that pro-Israel individuals may play in the U.S. government itself.
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> The reason why the Israel receives so much foreign aid is strictly out of the US's own interests.
This statement couldn't be further from the truth. The reason Israel gets so much military aid is almost solely due to massive lobbying efforts by Pro-Israel organizations.
Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer go into this with great depth in their book, <strong>The Israel Lobby</strong>.
> Israel is an actual ally
> continuing to exist in their ancestral Homeland
oh man, let's try that line with the palestinians they displaced, or better yet, white swedes
i can't believe i have to clarify white swedes. I wonder what group was behind the big push for perpetual war in the Middle East and then pushed for refugee settlement in europe
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