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>Lol, and now I'm the zionist hasbara agent am i? I love how you employ every Semitic stereotype while arguing you or muslims aren't anti-semitic.
Chill, its called sarcasm. Your hasbara pride is getting triggered.
>or more so
I was not aware of them. Thanks.
>Do you really forget saying:
>Perhaps because other Jews were mass murdering children?
>Is that not the excuse you gave for random attacks against Jews in the street?
No, I was explaining why they are behaving the way they are. I was not justifying it. Your hasbara does not work. Maybe try deep pockets or blame Hamas?
>From now on I want you to permanently have to wear clothing that clearly says "I condemn Saudi-Arabia, Morocco, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Indonesia, ISIS, Boko Haram, Sudan, Egypt, Qatar, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah, Azerbaijan, etc
I already condemned the violence and will continue to do so. Your hasbara is reaching its limits now? 🤔
>Who TF are 'they'!? The random Jews being attacked in the street?
No. I mean the Zionists who marched in Jerusalem before Hamas attacked and just the general population of Occupied Palestine in which they openly talk of genocide.
>I don't see a Yazidi or Coptic flag in your profile, you must support their genocide and terrorism by Muslims
Lol, is this your attempt to refute me? Ok continue, I got the shekels ready for you.
>Right... which is why r/IslamicHistoryMeme, r/islam, and r/Izlam
Is this your understanding of "Muslim media"? Its a good start but I meant Al Jazeera Arabic, Al Jazeera Palestine, Roya, TRT those kind of media. Reddit is good but I didn't mean that.
Here's a good start: https://www.facebook.com/AJA.Palestine/
Has a lot of information and produces a lot of documentaries on whats going on. It also shows the other side not shown in Zionist media. For example the pernicious myth that Hamas does not warn before they fire, this Al Jazeera Palestine refutes that. They show videos and announcements in which Hamas does warn.
If you dont understand Arabic... Well, learn it.
>You mean just like on this post right now where everyone on this post is pretending like Muslims never mistreated Jews in history?
Nobody ever says that. Deluding yourself. All they are saying is that the systematic violence against Jews is non existent in Muslim majority countries. Sporadic violence is more right. If you follow Muslim media, you would've understood what Muslims really meant.
>Tablighi Jamaat is full of fundamentalists and extremists
You make me laugh. I literally joined their session for 3 days. We had food, went out on the fields, seen horses and sheep. Great time. How about you join Tablighi Jamat and stop your nonsense.
Funny how you complain about innocent Jews being targeted for crimes committed by Jews but you happily blame Tablighi Jamat which has millions of followers due to a crime or two by some members of it. Hasbara hypocrisy exposed 🤣
Anyway, join a Tablighi Jamat. Any local mosque ran by Pakistanis/Indians will guide you to a TJ and they'll offer you 3 or 10 or 40 days of spiritual "travelling". Essentially you go to another mosque, read Quran, read Ahadith, sleep in the mosque and have nice prepared food.
>Hundreds of thousands of Jews were forcibly expelled from their homes and made refugees because of what israel was doing - these totally unrelated people suffered for it (but eye for an eye right? even if that eye is from a completely different person).
Thats bad. But the facts remain, majority left because they want to due to cheap taxes, "free" homes etc. Your desperate attempt to deny it won't work.
>There are less than 4000 Jews left in the Arab world today.
The "Arab world" includes Palestine. So technically there are millions of Jews in the Arabic world. There is a sudden decrease of Jews between 1945 - 1960's in Eastern Europe. I wonder what happened there. Perhaps Arabs were kicking them out? No! Hamas did 🤣
Again, the Zionists want Jews to come. Many left for cheap stolen houses.
For those who were forced out, if they were pro Palestine, then its bad. If they were pro-Zionism then they deserve to be exiled into prisons.
Dont decrease your own population and blame others for it.
"...while from 1948 through to the 1970s, around 850,000 Jews left Arab countries, with the majority moving to Israel... Yehouda Shenhav [wrote]: Jews from Arab lands came to this country under the initiative of the State of Israel and Jewish organisations. Some came of their free will; others arrived against their will. Some lived comfortably and securely in Arab lands; others suffered from fear and oppression"
Reference: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0745334636/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_XNZ5YPRSDE7V8SY4YXN9
>Your denial to concede any anti-semitism really is the testament to your dishonesty. All you got left is anti-semitic insults.
I denied nothing. Your Islamophobia and Arabphobe attitude is the underlying problem. Just disagreeing with your narrative makes someone an "anti semitic" (ironic considering most Jews are European and I am the semite!).
How does it feel when someone rattles your bubble? 🙃
See? This Jew is smart. Outspoken and clear: https://youtube.com/shorts/i133HXhAgEY?feature=share
Thanks for the video. But can you show me a video directly from Hamas? They got Twitter page and if that video was recorded by them, they would've uploaded there. If not Twitter, then they got 3 telegram groups, you can always get my number and send it to me.
I doubt the authenticity of the video. The website is blatantly pro Zionist - an ideology which promotes ethnic cleansing and genocide, we just witnessed some recently.
Here is an example of an original video of Hamas: https://fb.watch/5F3UzPQTgP/
>Article 22 Makes sweeping claims about Jewish influence and power.
This looks like Wikipedia copy paste.
However the charter was made in 1980's written by 1 man which represented his views more than the movement. The charter is obsolete. Its 2021, not 1980's 🙃
Here's a quote,
"According to leading Hamas expert Khaled Hroub, however, this document has since 'become largely obsolete', while even at the time it was the work of one individual."
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I would recommend this book as well: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0804797412/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_ZQ5DB0K3Y34GNSDM9P5V
>Indiscriminately firing rockets is trying to kill innocents
Stop reading my first line and then filling your head with propaganda.
>their charter calls for the deaths of all Jews
Technically that charter is referring to colonial Jews. Also the charter is obsolete. Finally it was written by 1 man and didn't represent Hamas as a political party. If you want to know more read this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0745334636/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_ZGH5MGEP3CSTNVG55AGV
>It’s israel who warn civilians of their targets
Sometimes they do it, sometimes they dont. Then they proceed to destroy unnecessary targets because of their 'Dahiya' doctrine. Stop believing Zionist propaganda.
>since Hamas use their civilians as human shields,
Zionist propaganda to justify the atrocity of civilians. Hamas never uses human shields. The last time I checked it was Zionists who did it. When Nazis says that Jews are extremists and deserves to die, you suddenly realise it is a propaganda to justify murder yet Zionists uses "human shield" propaganda, your brain conveniently stops working and you believe it. In summary, its propaganda to justify the murder of civilians and your acceptance of it is worrying.
Media tower? Hamas using it as human shield.
Cafe? Hamas.
Library? Hamas.
Homes? Hamas
COVID testing centre? Hamas
The propaganda does not really work 🙂
>Israel has the capability to annihilate Gaza, but it doesn’t, why?
Europeans have the capability to annihilate all native Americans but didn't. I guess its not genocide 🤷♂️ Obviously you ignored the atrocities of the past, the Apartheid laws, the settler colonialism, the anti Palestinian propaganda, the anti Arab propaganda etc.
Hitler have the capability to annihilate all Jews of Germany but didnt. Guess its not genocide.
>if Hamas actually had the capability to destroy Israel, it wouldn’t hesitate to
They actually could produce more damage but they are morally bound to warn their enemies and always kill more soldiers than "civilians". Also its their right to annihilate Zionists. They are a liberation movement. Zionism is an Apartheid state, a colonial state, it deserves destruction. Why don't you bring Nazism back? Oh wait, 'Israel' is Nazism with a Jewish cloak 🙃 Its destruction is morally necessary.
Free Palestine ✌
>The Hamas charter includes some ridiculously antisemetic things.
Still peddling Zionist narrative? The charter is obsolete and was written by 1 man. The charter represented him more than the political movement. It was obsolete since 1980's. Its 2021, wake up. Plus the alleged "antisemetic things" was referring to Zionists, not Jews per se. True, the writer should've been clearer but usually Arabs use the term "Jew" to refer to good Jews and bad Jews, the context would determine which of the one it is.
So yeah... Stop the nonsense about the charter. Zionist charter supports apartheid laws, genocide against Palestinians and justification of mass murder. Isn't that more worrying than an obsolete charter from 1980's?
Here's a quote,
"According to leading Hamas expert Khaled Hroub, however, this document [charter] has since 'become largely obsolete,' while even at the time it was the work of one individual."
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0745334636/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_ET8JXE1FRYNT3PN3Z3K4
For more information on Hamas, you could read: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0804797412/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_N7J7XZNCMRDPEBR0D0Z7
>The same group that is considered a terrorist group in over thirty states?
Anyone against Zionists is considered a terrorist and it needs to be painted so to justify atrocities. Those same countries considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist. In reality its a liberation movement against judo-colonialism. Don't forget Hamas cooperated with the Zionists to begin with and the Zionists even promoted them! https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847
However during the Second Intifida, Hamas saw the savagery and brutality of Zionism and that's when they became a resistant movement against Zionists.
You could read:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0745334636/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_E31PPPQJVPH0561JMXNF
"While the US, the EU and the UK designated Hamas a terrorist group, neither the international community nor the UN accepted that conclusion. As for many Palestinians and their international allies, both groups defend a just cause against Israeli aggression." https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/palestinian-resistance-how-diverse-is-it-46835
>One that fires rockets on their own people?
Propaganda spread by Zionists to portray their enemy as inherently evil - typical colonial approach. Remember the days when Africans were all cannibals? Yeah, such propaganda. The reality is Hamas acts as a charity and they hand out food, build the city and do what all political parties would sensibly do.
> Here's the difference though - people called for a boycott on things directly associated with the World Cup. There weren't silly extreme calls to boycott the entirety or Qatar or people who support the country.
That's not a substantive difference at all; its validity rests solely on your assertion that the Palestinian call for BDS is "silly" and "extreme", claims for which you provided no basis. Frankly it doesn't matter what you think about this, though: again, the overwhelming majority of Palestinian civil society seeks the help of the international community as a whole -- states, businesses, NGOs, churches, individuals, everybody -- in a wide-ranging boycott of Israeli business, the Israeli state, Israeli cultural organizations that don't explicitly recognize the apartheid system and call for its dismantling, and Israeli academic institutions. The goal of this BDS tactic is to effect radical change in the governance of Israel & Palestine by making its effects felt across all the aforementioned parts of Israeli political and civil society, as all those elements and institutions are affected by apartheid (generally in being privileged and advantaged by it at the expense of Palestinians). Criticisms have definitely come up about unintended consequences of BDS, which will make things more difficult for Palestinians, for example, but it's clear that the Palestinians as a collective group want BDS to go ahead despite those potential consequences. That's all I need.
> It is indeed a double standard to choose what you want to boycott. I've never said that these double standards don't exist elsewhere.
As you said earlier, every government on earth does things that are unjust and deserving of punishment and retribution by the people. It wouldn't be feasible to attempt to boycott, divest from, and sanction all businesses and states in all territories in which the government has acted unjustly, not least because it would make living one's life impossible. However, this hypothetical is moot as there have not been organized and codified strategies put into play by all the various groups of the world in which BDS campaigns are sought against the states that rule over all the groups of the world. The BDS call from Israel & Palestine is unique in both its scope and its scale, and there have been only a handful of comparable campaigns in history.
> What exactly is this apartheid that you're referring too? Hyperbole does your argument no favors.
I'm not being hyperbolic. I refer to Israel as managing a system of apartheid because "apartheid" is a crime codified in international law now, and not simply limited to a specific period in South Africa's history (although the similarities between South African apartheid and Israeli apartheid are striking). The apartheid system in place in Israel & Palestine is something that has been exhaustively studied by academics, condensed and simplified for understanding by the public, and identified by UN personnel, political figures, community leaders, former apartheid-era South African officials and victims of RSA apartheid, Israelis, Palestinians, and people from all professions and walks of life. Israeli Apartheid Week is a global phenomenon. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this is truly the first you're hearing of Israel being referred to as an apartheid system or apartheid state.
> Idealistic, but most boycotts against governments or major corporations never work out.
Except when they do, and I'm confident that this one will be an instrumental part of what eventually ends apartheid and ethnocracy in Israel, and prefigures the transition to a single liberal democratic state that oversees a single, contiguous territory.
> Like I said, feel free to call for boycotts if you want, just like how there should be boycotts against governments who have links to extremism and human rights abuses... which basically means every Muslim majority nation out there.
Every government is guilty of human rights abuses. The number of Muslim-majority countries whose governments are directly involved with what you refer to as "extremism" is far lower than what you clearly believe, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion.
> Here's the thing though - most reasonable people actually realize that it's silly to boycott a country as a whole and those who support it, namely because the average citizen isn't to blame for the controversial decisions made by the government.
More weasel words and baseless assertions that have much more to do with how you think people should think than how people actually think (i.e. the Is-Ought problem). Without getting into what constitutes a "reasonable" person, there are literally millions of people across the world who not only enthusiastically support Israeli BDS, but are active participants in the BDS campaign targeting Israel. I get that you wish this wasn't the case, but it is, and you're going to have to find a way of accepting that if you're going to be concerned with Israel & Palestine in the future. Also the BDS call doesn't extend itself to "those who support [Israel]". That would mean targeting such a wide range of people (like the guy around the corner who runs the bodega and believes in a two-state solution) that it would be self-defeating not to mention of questionable justification. The terms of the BDS call are specific; you should try actually reading the document so as to at least have a better understanding of what we're talking about here.
> What exactly are the numbers that fit your criteria of many?
Funny how you're taking issue with my use of "many" in this case, while your most recent post is filled with weasel words you whip out in an attempt to strengthen your position. I'm not sure anyone has an exact number of just how many Israelis support BDS, but there are Israeli organizations dedicated to it and prominent Israeli academics who have signed on, not to mention the plethora of Israeli leftist organizations, such as Anarchists Against the Wall, who have been campaigning for BDS from the get-go. Here is a list of Israeli signatories to the BDS points of unity. The Israeli government certainly takes the threat of domestic BDS campaigning seriously enough to attempt to legislate against engaging in BDS activity from Israel.
> Will you be doing the same for governments that commit humans rights abuses or deny certain groups equality? Or is this convenient for you because it suits your anti-Israel agenda?
Israel is not the only government against which I engage in political activity. It is the government I engage in the most political activity against, but this isn't because I have an "anti-Israel agenda" (whatever that means) or because I'm "antisemitic" or whatever other baseless red herring and attempt to undermine my credibility you're going to bust out next. I doubt you'll care why, but it's because I was young and just becoming politically aware when the Second Intifada started, and Ariel Sharon's offensive, triumphalist march, for which he was flanked by a phalanx of armed soldiers, into the Haram ash-Sharif and al-Aqsa Mosque area had a profound effect on me which made me research the conflict in more detail. As the events of the Second Intifada unfolded and I learned more about Israeli & Palestinian history, it became very clear to me that this was a grave, ongoing, criminal injustice being perpetrated against an entire people because they had the misfortune of not being born into the right ethnic group, and that I had to do what I could to rectify it. I've been an activist for peace, justice, and equality in Israel & Palestine since then.
Since you are a beginner, I suggest you read this one: http://www.amazon.com/Israeli-Apartheid-Beginners-Ben-White/dp/0745334636/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1459614173&sr=8-11&keywords=israel+apartheid
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