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Agree - yall should take this as an opportunity to explore the early faith - what it was like in the first few centuries AD. (Hint it looks a lot more Catholic than Protestant)

Read Brant Petri’s “The Jewish Roots of Mary” - Im a protestant convert and this book got me over on Mary. There’s never going to be a slam dunk proof for Mary, but this book presents a well argued case from many angles - enough for someone to say, I may not agree but I understand why you believe this

I listened on audible

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Jewish-Roots-Mary-Unveiling/dp/0525572732

Jewish Roots of the Eucharist too

Read the early church fathers together like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Ignatius of Antioch, Tertullian, Athanasius,

The early Church fathers - and I mean before Constantine - all talk about Mary. Martin Luther basically agreed with everything about Mary.

She only knows what everyone has always told her. I doubt shes read a Catholic book in her life (I never did). Tell her to ask her pastor about the early Church fathers and see what he says. We had no books on the early church fathers at my protestant church library. They didnt want to talk about it.

Mostly just be patient and trust God. Love finds a way of breaking down our walls.

Hey brother I know that Mary can be a real stumbling block for a lot of people, but I think this book would really help you out. It’s all scriptural!

Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: Unveiling the Mother of the Messiah

As far as your question of salvation, I’m sure if you wrote out what exactly the issue is, I’m pretty positive someone can answer that question for you.

I’d like to recommend a few books here.

Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: Unveiling the Mother of the Messiah

Hail, Holy Queen: The Mother of God in the Word of God

Behold Your Mother: A Biblical and Historical Defense of the Marian Doctrines

These books come highly recommend for anyone truly interested in understanding Catholic Theology surrounding Mary.

>And I appreciate you bringing up the Blessed Mother. I don't have a strong relationship with her, and I should.

I think it's amazing that we actually do have a Mother in heaven, we know her name, and she's actually in scripture. Unlike, you know, an anonymous "Heavenly Mother" that is used to deflect accusations of misogyny and nothing more. (The doctrine of Heavenly Mother was a big reason why I began to question Mormonism. I'm pleased as punch to have one I can talk to.)

Two books that might help you go deeper with Mary: Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary by Brant Pitre, and Hail, Holy Queen by Scott Hahn. Both of these are more about the theology of Mary in scripture, but that really helped me stop worrying and see the theology behind Mary. So good.

>I'm wary of a lot of nontraditional stuff, because when I look at the state of the Church, all the crises and scandals, the thought at the back of my mind is, is this all happening because of the overemphasis on mercy rather than justice in the post-conciliar era? Was the Church healthier back then because it was stricter and expected more of Catholics?

I think the answer is "no." The church didn't call V2 for no reason. The bishops around the world, who had been raised and formed in the pre-conciliar era, almost unanimously felt changes were needed. That just doesn't track with the idea that the pre-conciliar church was just peaceful and blissful.

I'm not saying the changes were all good, and definitely not that the implementation was good. I'm quite traditionally-minded myself. Give me chant, incense, and high masses all day long!

But I still attend a NO parish, because I sense a good amount of unhealthy behavior and beliefs in the trad movement, and it gives me pause. If blind adherence to a specific rite, or "unchanging" practice, is more important than anything else, then I would become Orthodox. The whole point of a living magisterium is that they can actually engage fruitfully with tradition and current circumstances. (At least, in theory.)

The crisis in the church really weighs on me, don't get me wrong. But full-throated traditionalism doesn't seem the answer to me. And I definitely don't think over-emphasis on mercy is the root of the problem. I think a false emphasis on "mercy" as a cover for heresy and modernism is the real issue. Mercy is at the heart of the tradition! "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."

I think you'll like Ralph Martin, who wrote that book I suggested. He's not a trad, but he's no modernist either. He has books on the church crisis, books against universalism, etc.

Good luck! God bless!

Hello and welcome! So happy to hear from you, and so happy to hear that you feel at home with the church (my way of putting it).

I am also happy to hear that your "personal beliefs aligned with the Catholic Church". If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, it would be that as we Catholics understand it, the church has a teaching authority, such that we should conform our beliefs to what she (the church teaches). Of course we first need to come to the conclusion that the Catholic church is THE church founded by Jesus Christ, which conclusion should result more from a study of history than a study of theology, and which we also consider a grace or a gift, lest we boast. I suspect you already are thinking along those lines; but just in case...

There are tons of great books out there. I would definitely get a copy of the CCC Catechism of the Catholic Church, not to read through, but more of a reference.

Aside from that, I highly recommend two of Dr. Brant Pitre's books, Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist, and Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary. These are definitely along the lines of biblical Theology with a Jewish-historical context. I would also suggest something on the Church Fathers, like maybe this one. If you like more "literature", try G.K. Chesterton.

Anyway, blessings to you tomorrow and always. Relax, take it all in, and let us know any questions that come up. I'll pray for you on your journey, and also for a complete remission of the cancer.

I recommend the following books:

Mary- Jesus and the Jewish roots of Mary by Fr. Brant Pitre link is below:

https://www.amazon.ca/Jesus-Jewish-Roots-Mary-Unveiling/dp/0525572732

For the communion of saints- Angels and Saints: A Biblical Guide to Friendship with God's Holy Ones by Dr. Scott Hahn link is below:

https://www.amazon.ca/Angels-Saints-Biblical-Guide-Friendship-ebook/dp/B004N636BW

Also Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church (especially the parts on Mary and the communion of Saints) online link for the catechism which is free is given below:

https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: Unveiling the Mother of the Messiah https://www.amazon.com/dp/0525572732/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_BHFJ1TB42CJXT03X 4CT3

Hail, Holy Queen: The Mother of God in the Word of God https://www.amazon.com/dp/0385501692/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_3F8QPM1JH58BPS6G6AT8

The woman is understood as the Virgin Mary and the dragon, Satan. Mary is also presented in Revelation (for a variety of reasons) as the Ark of the New Covenant, what the Old Covenant was a shadow of.

Biblical scholar Dr Brant Pitre just did a commentary on this very passage the other day titled “A Woman Clothed with the Sun” https://youtu.be/I1GdAQ21zzQ

For additional context on Mary being the ark of the New Covenant, see his other commentary “Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant” https://youtu.be/jmNWqLSJcJI.

The above are condensed commentaries of this topic which runs much deeper than these clips can do justice. If interested to know more see his book, “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: Unveiling the Mother of the Messiah” https://www.amazon.com/dp/0525572732

There are plenty of problems that non-denomination church’s have seeing that the majority don’t even agree with each across the theological spectrum.

But I’d I like to recommend some books that you can easily reference for biblical understanding of Mary, within Catholic theology.

Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: Unveiling the Mother of the Messiah

Hail, Holy Queen: The Mother of God in the Word of God

Behold Your Mother: A Biblical and Historical Defense of the Marian Doctrines

Now these 3 books are going to have some overlap in content but I highly recommend the first 2 I own All 3 on kindle and they have been truly great. I too have greatly struggled with Mary at times.

I double dog dare you to read this book

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Jewish-Roots-Mary-Unveiling/dp/0525572732

That book there, my friend.