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'Kill anything that moves' is a good book about that.
It shows the underlying, institutionalized racism, that dehumanized the Vietnamese in the minds of the members of the US military from the top to the bottom.
It also describes the wonky rules of engagement that were fuzzy from the start, but were also not really followed and easily bypassed anyways.
All which in turn helped pushing the most important metric to the US military in this war: the body count.
The overwhelming majority of the victims of this were civilians and even though the most infamous massacres like My Lai were committed by infantry, the worst offenders in terms of 'body count' were artillery crews and pilots, who created countless, mostly unknown, My Lais.
Read or listen to Kill Anything that Moves by Nick Turse. Excellent overview and description of the atrocities that occurred during the late 60s in Vietnam. Nothing went too far, literally the worse things you can possibly think of to do to other humans and just scale it up to US War Machine levels. To all humans: babies, children, women, and men. To animals, livestock, cultivated fields, and whole ecosystems. And the attitudes, no remorse, no empathy, just kill as many humans as possible as quickly as possible. I can’t believe it’s not generally known what the US did down there, it’s just not taught in schools. You’d be lucky to find someone who remembers the My Lai Massacre, but that’s about it.
>look at the context. SK was a Western puppet that collaborated with compradors and the Imperial Japanese. They killed leftists. It's like "invading" your home to save your own family from thugs.
>See http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/ same pattern [of killing leftists because they got in the way of Western capital] in every country.
A lot of civilians died horrific deaths that the public in America doesn't even, to this day, generally know about. I suggest the book Kill Anything That Moves if anyone wants to read more on it. More than likely, a lot more My Lai's occurred that were shoveled under the rug under the guise of "reaching a body count".
War crimes only matter if you have to be held accountable or can be made to be, which they won't be. Same as the US has never been.
Some light reading Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam (American Empire Project) https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/1250045061/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_K84K8XMP1ERCXJK2A083
I'd recommend reading a well researched book called Kill Everything That Moves, if you really believe that.
You might find it illuminating. Of course it's one of many examples from history.
Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam (American Empire Project) https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/1250045061/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_K84K8XMP1ERCXJK2A083
Yes, my source is The book of the same name. Read it and you'll see the true face of the US military.
Q ? Dude Qanon is pro American military and believes communists eat babies and worship satan, you couldn't possibly be more of base.
People think these things are like isolated incidents -- bad actors that can be isolated and jailed at least until a republican president pardons them. People think of My Lai as like the true crime of the Vietnam war but those kinds of massacres of civilians were routine and baked into US military operating strategy. This is how american imperial wars work. Yes the national security state was skeptical of Trump but they also instituted a torture program. These things aren't separate this is how an unaccountable national security apparatus works in a globe spanning empire. I'm so furious
Vietnam wanted to create an IndoChinese federation by annexing Laos and Cambodia. China warned them to stop. Vietnam refused so China invaded. Keep in mind that China inflicted some damage to send a message and then went home. It's an unfortunate event but compare that to the genocidal Vietnam War that had no justification [see Gulf of Tonkin Lie]. As far as wars go, The Chinese-Vietnam War was justified [from a geopolitical perspective eg didn't want a large federation at its borders] and relatively humane [compared to http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/].
I only hope the two nations can move forward. It's certainly a superior alternative to being subjugated by the Americans.
i read the book, "Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam" by Nick Turse and in it Turse makes the argument that the United States government was so focused on the body count that they did not care if the bodies were NVA, or civilian. Do you agree with this?
Meanwhile, Jenny Han, racially insecure author of white worshipping book, To all the boys I've loved before, is paying her respects to this psychopathic war criminal. And people wonder why we call out these insane Auntie Tans?
Here's a reminder of what white men from the highest positions of military/political power down to generals approved for standard operating procedure http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/
Just a reminder of what Americans [mostly white] did.
http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/
http://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Program-Americas-Forbidden-Bookshelf-ebook/dp/B00KGMIW6Q/
And, similar atrocities everywhere else they invaded.
http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Hope-C-I-Interventions-II--Updated/dp/1567512526/
My Lai was not an one off event, it was standard operating procedure. It is only remembered because people found out about it.
The atrocities - massacres and rapes - the Americans committed in Vietnam was approaching what the Japanese did in Nanking. It is similar in level of brutality if not in scale. Here are some quotes from testimonies of returning Vietnamese vets.
Brutalizing women: > I saw one case where a woman was shot by a sniper, one of our snipers. When we got up to her, she was asking for water. And the Lieutenant said to kill her. So he ripped off her clothes. They stabbed her in both breasts. They spread-eagled her and shoved an E- tool up her vagina, an entrenching tool, and she was still asking for water. And then they took that out, and they used a tree limb, and then she was shot.
> After she was questioned, and, of course, dead, this guy came over, who was a former major, been in the service for twenty years, and he got hungry again and came back over working with USAID, Aid International Development. He went over there, ripped her clothes off and took a knife and cut, from her vagina almost all the way up, just about up to her breasts, and pulled her organs out, completely out of her cavity, and threw them out. Then he stopped and knelt over and commenced to peel every bit of skin off her body, and left her there as a sign for something or other.
> As I was walking over to him, I turned and I looked in the area. I looked to where the VCS were -- supposed VCS -- and two men were leading a young girl, approximately 19 years old, very pretty, out of a hootch. She had no clothes on, so I assumed she'd been raped, which was pretty SOP. That's standard operating procedure for civilians. And she was thrown onto the pile of the 19 women and children, and five men around the circle opened up on full automatic with their M-16s. And that was the end of that.
Killing children: > I was picked up by a truckload of grunt Marines with two company grade officers, 1st Lieutenants. We were about 5 miles down the road, where there were some Vietnamese children at the gateway of the village, and they gave the old finger gesture at us. It was understandable that they picked this up from the GIs there. They stopped the trucks -- they didn't stop the truck, they slowed down a little bit, and it was just like response, the guys got up, including the lieutenants, and just blew all the kids away. There were about five or six kids blown away, and then the truck just continued down the hill. That was my first day in Vietnam.
Massacring entire villages: > and there was a river on each side, and there was another company behind each river, and like the people were running around inside, and they were just shooting them, and like the newspapers said, "Operation Stone, like World War II movie," and we just sat up there and we wiped them out. Women, children, everything. 291 of them.
> Because we went into the area, and it was to set the example to show that we weren't fucking around. So the first thing we do is burn down the village and kill everybody just to let them know we weren't fucking around.
> When we went out, I'd say 50% at least of the villages we passed through would be burned to the ground. There was no difference between some that we burned and the ones we didn't burn. It's just that some we had time and we'd burn them. We were given orders whenever we moved into a village to reconnoiter by fire. This means whenever we step into a village we're to fire upon houses, bushes, anything to our discretion that looked like there might be someone hiding behind or in or under. What we did was we'd carry our rifles about hip high and we'd line up low to the village and start walking, firing from the hip.
And there are many more stories like these. Photos and transcript here. There is also a book. If anyone doesn't believe you, look at this iconic photo from My Lai: women and children moments before their deaths. The woman in black had just been raped, and is still buttoning her shirt.
You should read this. It will explain why he didn't talk about what he got up to...
Read Kill Anything That Moves. It is bloodchilling. Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam (American Empire Project) https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250045061/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_82J8Z5HTSQWXFKDWAJK6
Here we go Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam (American Empire Project) https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/1250045061/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_K84K8XMP1ERCXJK2A083
>Gooks
Must-read on the topic of systemic racism in the US military during the Vietnam war to dehumanize the enemy, among other Vietnam war related topics:
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061
Good book to read about this: https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061
And this is why we say Fuck Colin Powell.
Highly recommend reading Kill Anything That Moves by Nick Turse
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/ref=nodl_
My Lai was not a one time incident.
And this is just the evil shit people know about from that war. With the racist undertone towards the 'gooks' it's probably the tip of the iceberg. Good book about this.
The guy who tried to help is the one who was several punished by the military and by the public. Ended up dying as an alcoholic, I believe.
Also. Mai Lai massacres were supposedly common during the Vietnam war.
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061
Reading the book Kill Everything That Moves. Absolutely horrendous the acts the US forces committed in Vietnam. No doubt they're still doing it elsewhere.
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im the son of a field artillery officer who taught me about the military industrial complex yetttt i am not bound by my bootlicker indoctrination.......likkkeee you
This is what happens if you lead a racism ("just gooks") driven war vs civilians. This is how spreading US freedom and democracy looks like. Disgusting.
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/ref=nodl_
The Great Big Book of Horrible Things: The Definitive Chronicle of History's 100 Worst Atrocities is a popular history book by Matthew White
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-shocking-savagery-of-americas-early-history-22739301/
Please read at least the reviews on this book to understand what you're condoning by laughing along. http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061
There is also that horrifying book
ya...China's neighbors were "protected" by USA..especially Vietnam right?
http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/
oh look, USA protected China too
USA’s warfare against China 1/ - http://www.voltairenet.org/article177063.html
> I'm saying we helped stop Hitler.
We? You mean the Americans stopped Hitler in WWII? Doubtful you were even alive then. And that statement is pretty meaningless. A lot of things stopped Hitler. One, he was almost out of oil. Two, the Russians. Three, his mental health due to his various drug addictions. Yes the Americans are somewhere on that list but to say "We stopped Hitler" is not accurate.
>And yes, the Vietnam War was a waste, because congress decided to break our promise, abandon South Vietnam, despite South Vietnam desperately begging us not to leave, and we let the North Vietnamese burn, pillage, enslave, and murder their way through South Vietnam, killing hundreds of thousands, throwing a million in slave labor camps, and displacing millions more.
Are you just parroting your government history books? This is far from the truth. Please read this book Kill Anything That Moves and get back to me: https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061 It is well documented that American soldiers were burning down villages and mass raping women in Vietnam. Leaving was the only thing they could do, because they were also getting their ass kicked.
>And Cambodia also fell because we left,
Wrong.
>and over one million were slaughtered in the Killing Fields as a result. Worst atrocity in US history.
That wasn't US history, that was Cambodian history, which you aren't accurately describing. The US bombed the shit out of Cambodia for a decade, killed thousands of innocent people, and even to this day, innocent Cambodians get mangled by US land mines. "We" fucked up that country beyond belief, then left and the Khmer Rouge came in and continued fucking it up.
> South Korea would not exist today if the US didn't fight the North Koreans. It would be one big Korea, only it would be like North Korea is today, a slave state.
Where is your proof of this claim?
> The nuclear bomb on Japan? That ended the Japanese Empire,
It was already over before the bomb(s). They were running out of oil as well.
>which up to that point, had murdered over twelve million people across Asia.
Link?
>Right up until they surrendered, they were still committing mass genocide in several Asian countries. The bomb put a stop to that, and it was the right thing to do.
I'm sure the surviving families of the nukes would totally agree! Anyway there were 2 bombs and the second one was 100% unnecessary, but the US wanted to flex its muscles and show the world what it had, to hell with the innocent Japanese people!
>Yeah the USSR taking over Europe sucked, but the US and Britain were fighting the greater evil at the time, the Nazis.
I know that's what the history books say, but where is your proof that the nazis were worse than the Soviets? Do you know how many died under communism? It's even more than Hitler managed to kill.
I'm just asking you to step away from the mainstream narrative a little. That's not where the truth lies here.
Don't worry about increasing awareness. Everyone already knows, but you could just keep the examples to Thailand since it's already taken the brunt of that shit.
Go bullet proof with your arguments. The main themes I would use is linking war > poverty > sexual exploitation. To be less biased, you can make the case that the same is happening to Southern Europe due to economic hardship.
Reference stuff like
http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/
http://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Program-Americas-Forbidden-Bookshelf-ebook/dp/B00KGMIW6Q/
Monsanto agent orange and say "holy crap, these guys are feeding us food now?"
I got a bunch of stuff if you need.
and show how sneaky Hollywood is to whitewash these atrocities with Miss Saigon and others (I also got more examples). Oh, also, reference John "I hate the gooks" McCain, a US senator, who ran for president and how his racist hate towards the Vietnamese is widely accepted.
> It's not hard to believe some guys were nutjobs.
How the fuck did they all end up in the same group is my point. I'm not saying the generals wanted civilians killed. It's that they didn't care if it happened, and they rarely checked if soldiers reports of enemy killed were actually enemies. The leaders wanted "body count". That incentivizes lower level officers to do whatever it takes to get that body count, and it turned out a shit ton of them didn't care how they got it. Look at this.
>there isn't any evidence or reason for the gov to order that.
Yet there is evidence that they don't give a shit that it does. If the government IS willing to order stuff like this imagine what things they let slide because they don't care?
>Of course they were harsh on suspected villages
Does that sound right to you? People in their own country supporting their own people who they believed were fighting for their freedom, should be treated harshly?
>"Perfume Dreams: Reflections on the Vietnamese Diaspora" I'm so glad to see you reading about surface level vanilla works on assimilation. Hey, when you're done, try reading this to learn more about American benevolence and "isolated incidents" of "bad apples" in an otherwise "pristine orchard" of "Christian values"
That is just what I am on now.... Like I said I read a lot. And everyone knows America does and has done fucked up shit. Quit being a bitch and whining about it and try to "educate" people who already know America is fucked up. So is every other country, get over yourself and if you are in America then leave if you hate it so much.....
>Amazon.com: american empire project http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?field-keywords=american%20empire%20project&url=search-alias=aps
A book series much more focused on nationalism than white men being the root of peoples problems. If you are going to try to cite a book at least put in the effort to make it relevant to what you are trying to say.... I have read one, I won't read the rest. I'm going to clue you in on something, but don't tell it's an insider secret. Most countries have a history of the same thing..... Crazy right!?!?! It's almost like America does the same thing as everyone else!!
>Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War in Vietnam (American Empire Project) http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430919293&sr=8-1&keywords=kill+everything+that+moves
Cool. There are literally hundreds of books about atrocities that were committed during war from a litany of other countries.
https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061
Yeah...no. There was pretty horrific brutality, the equivalent of a Mai Lai massacre every week of the war. Millions of civilians were killed. In Vietnam the only potential 'game change' would have been invading the North and shutting down the NVA bases/recruitment centers. The reason that wasn't done was because of fears of fighting China again as was the case in Korea...which given their performance against Vietnam right after the Vietnam war (conflict over the Vietnamese invading Cambodia and toppling Pol Pot) shows that they were a paper tiger at the time. Still, given the rate of casualties was much higher for the US in the Korean war vs. Vietnam, I could see how the politicians were deathly afraid of fighting the Chinese again for political reasons (high body counts were not politically popular), especially just to secure Vietnam.
This will be my last reply because you keep repeating the same pointless arguments without addressing my main points.
LMFAO. So what?
Japanese civilians were nuclear bombed twice by white Americans yet white people are treated well in Japan. Get it through your thick skull. A group of people can learn to behave illogically if they're brainwashed enough. Celebrating some white guy as the Last Samurai is one example.
Another example is Miss Saigon. There are Vietnamese crazy enough to help white people whitewash the rape and slaughter of their people. http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/. They too treat whites well in Vietnam.
Good luck with life.
Xi should just hand out translated copies of western humanitarian intervention http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061/
Toxic food huh? I wonder where they got that idea from? definitely-American-government-run "non-government organizations"s...?
Stop trusting these Anglo-American psychopaths. Every group that ever dealt with them has suffered. http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Hope-C-I-Interventions-II--Updated/dp/1567512526/
Note a distinction between killing innocent civilians and deliberately killing civilians.
Furthermore, it is silly to deny that the US does this. Here's a book wherein it is shown that the US military has done exactly that:
http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061
What are your opinions on systematic war crimes committed by US forces, which have been well documented from the DoD and from people whom have been interviewed? http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Anything-That-Moves-American/dp/1250045061 http://www.npr.org/2013/01/28/169076259/anything-that-moves-civilians-and-the-vietnam-war
I agree.
But if you are protesting a war there is no opportunity to interview each returning soldier in order to determine whether he (she) is in the category 'Soldier who killed a baby'.
Furthermore, after reading this book, I wasn't particularly worried about being unfair to anyone.
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