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Other brands can already charge at Tesla destination chargers since the connector protocol is compatible with J1772 communication.
They just need a Tesla-> J1772 adapter, now you can get one for just $160.
Re: "they need a Tesla": not necessarily. There are adapters that convert from Tesla to J1772 (for example this one). Saw someone charge their BMW 530e at a Tesla destination charger with one of those.
There is actually a Tesla to J1772 adapter. OP should get a Tesla charger, then get the adapter if/when they get a non-Tesla EV.
Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter, Max 40A & 250V - Compatible with Tesla High Powered Connector, Destination Charger, and Mobile Connector (White) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_3AXKWRMGM408CK8R92B7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
The Tesla charger is a very good value for a 48A EVSE and you won’t need an adapter every time you charge it.
Just bought one if these for $160 and works great:
2013 1st-gen Tesla mobile charger --> this adapter --> 2022 Bolt charges at 9.6kW (40A).
If you have a newer Tesla mobile charger or an older Bolt, it will charge at 32A, but still cheaper than Chevy's dual-charger (~$250).
>this was prompted by my car navigating me to a charging station only for it to be a Tesla destination charger (with no accompanying J1772).
FYI, you can buy an adapter to charge at Tesla Destination chargers. Of course there's no way to charge at a Supercharger.
Tesla Gen 3 Charger + Tesla J1772 Adapter = NO (Tesla J1772 adapter is for converting J1772 to Tesla plug. Not the other way around.
Tesla Gen 3 Charger + third Party J1772 converter (for example - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/) = YES
Third party EV wall charger + Tesla J1772 adapter = YES
I don’t know the legal aspects, but this might get you what you want: Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter, Max 40A & 250V - Compatible with Tesla High Powered Connector, Destination Charger, and Mobile Connector (White) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_51E80AA5NVX4ZJ32KAEA
There are two things here:
"Tesla Destination Chargers" - these are the same as "Level 2" chargers that are common for home charging, and at many "around town" locations that don't spring for full DC rapid chargers. These are, in fact, the same thing as a standard level 2 EVSE, just with a Tesla plug instead of a J-1772 plug. You can get adapters for these that let any EV charge at a Tesla Destination Charger. (Or use a Tesla home charger.)
"Tesla Superchargers" - these are 100% proprietary. While early on, Elon did say that the Tesla charging system would be "open" - it required that another automaker who wanted to use it needed to give Tesla royalty-free licenses to all their EV-related patents. Semi-obviously, no other automaker took them up on the offer, not even the automakers who made EVs with Tesla powertrains (Toyota with the second gen RAV4 EV and Mercedes with the B-class Electric.) So while those two vehicles have Tesla motors and batteries, and there are even third-party CHAdeMO conversions for them (both came with only "Level 2" AC charging,) there is no conversion to support a Supercharger.
Neither Elon nor Tesla have made any statements about Superchargers being "open" in years. I don't know if Elon's offer is still valid or not, but since the system relies on two-way communication with the vehicle, and that vehicle having a valid Tesla account with billing information, I wouldn't hold your breath.
What I think is more likely is that at some point Tesla switches to CCS as they have in Europe, then the Supercharger network will be just another CCS network that any CCS EV can plug in to.
My wife loves her Niro base trim. We both use it around town. We’ll use the Y for the road-trips
We use this adapter
It isn't hard to convert a standard EV to be able to use a Tesla charging station. https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8 (This is just an example, the price is $100 more than others I have seen, so I don't recommend it.)
I am not saying other EVs should have to do this, but just that having a proprietary Tesla connector is stupid.
Also, many new EVs have the capability to charge other EVs directly. This is also something that should be standard. Imagine you run out of "gas" someplace. What will you do, buy a spare large battery to walk to the nearest charging station? This would help with range anxiety, which could cause people to stop buying bigger batteries than what they really need. Which helps when these cars reach end of life and are disposed.
I have the exact same setup. I have a Grizzl-E wall charger J1772 and use the $50 Tesla adapter. It works like a champ. Do not go the other way (Tesla charger, J1772 adapter) because the adapters are expensive, huge and poorly engineered. Look: https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
You will also be charging your Leaf more than your Tesla so it makes sense to have that be your native adapter.
Lots of folks like the ChargePoint, Juicebox and Clipper Creek but I didn't think they were worth the premium.
No this won’t work at all. Teslas adapter is to accept a J1772 charger into their port. It’s going the reverse way that you’d need. It doesn’t turn their port into a J1772 which is what you’d need to access Tesla’s non-supercharger chargers.
You would need this Tesla to J1772 adapter
Seems there's some confusion in the comments.
The adapters being discussed is this guy here which is a Tesla to J1772 adapter, allowing people to use the destination chargers, not the Superchargers
With that in mind, I would be annoyed by it, but also accepting of it.
The only way to get more chargers is to get more people using them. That being said, this is also one of the main reasons why when I'm traveling I focus on hotels that are near superchargers.
I did a recent trip from Tampa, FL to Ottawa, Ontario and back and waffled on using hotel filters based on EV charger amenities, however, after thinking about it for a while I realized that either the charging space would be ICEd, or there's likely be another EV in it, and as it is designed to recharge while the person is asleep, it'd be occupied for the night.
So, now I focus on hotels that are next to superchargers, this ensure that if the chargers are full when I get there, I can wake up a little early in the morning and get access.
If I'm going to a destination I assume the charger there won't be available and plan accordingly. I fit's available, then that's a nice bonus.
The scenario being presented in this case is not because of people clogging the Superchargers, but rather the destination chargers. Folks using adapters like this one to connect and charge at Tesla branded destination chargers, where Tesla has no insight.
Bought on Amazon from Lectron Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter, Max 40A & 250V, Compatible with Tesla High Powered Connector, Destination Charger, and Mobile Connector (White) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_ZJY329CAEDDBYF05Z1S8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Yes but now there is more less standard in charging so they don't need to compete on that front. Hell, there are even adapters to allow other cars to use Tesla's so not like that limits potentiar buyer
Tesla to J1772!
Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter, Max 40A & 250V - Compatible with Tesla High Powered Connector, Destination Charger, and Mobile Connector (White) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_ZT4D0GKTY9P6W1E4C2BH?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I don't get to use the fast charging as far as I know, but I got this fancy pantsy thing from Amazon that should at least open up some extra options just in case :)
Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter, Max 40A & 250V - Compatible with Tesla High Powered Connector, Destination Charger, and Mobile Connector (White) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_ZT4D0GKTY9P6W1E4C2BH?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Amazon does sell tesla adapter to j1772
Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter, Max 40A & 250V - Compatible with Tesla High Powered Connector, Destination Charger, and Mobile Connector (White) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_RH758ATE9A62HNFQBNNX?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
With a TeslaTap, any EV can use existing Tesla Destination chargers.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8
These are the slower chargers you often find at hotels and restaurants.
This would not let you charge at a Supercharger. As others have said, Tesla is planning on opening up the supercharger network later this year or sometime next year.
I know, I was giving you a worst case scenario. -10C is great snowboarding weather and my Teslas handle such balmy temps with ease. Acceleration and regen is slightly limited but you only lose 20-30% range in mildly cold conditions.
My point is that other EVs can use Tesla destination chargers right now with the right adapter.
Using the superchargers with other EVs might also require an adapter.
This is the one I got. I actually got it from Lowes, but I don't think they carry it anymore. I usually don't hear that "click" when power kicks on and sometimes it takes like 30 seconds to start charging, but every time it always works!
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
Would this work?
Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter, Max 40A & 250V - Compatible with Tesla High Powered Connector, Destination Charger, and Mobile Connector (White) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_ZGREJR40VFZSCJ62XS6V
You'll need the destination charger adapter. It's the only adapter since you can't adapt super charging.
Here is one, you can look for cheaper but I don't know if they exist.
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
Here is an example of one.
It's important to know these only work at Tesla home wall chargers and destination chargers (hotels, etc).
These will NOT work on a supercharger
Yes for a Tesla home charger. This will not work for Supercharging.
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
Link in case op wants to buy one: https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
Yes, but not Superchargers. You can use Tesla destination and home installed chargers. It is only an L2 solution.
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
Superchargers are L3 and Tesla only.
If you want maximum "on the go portability", the TurboCord Dual is great (BMW even sells a version of it with the BMW logo for about $200 more than buying the real thing.)
Strangely, the i3's "stock" portable EVSE is a Clipper Creek model that the Clipper Creek branded one is dual 120V/240V, but the BMW-branded one is modified to be 120V-only!
If you want absolutely bonkers-the-best-portable, get a Telsa Gen 2 Mobile Connector and Tesla to J-1772 adapter.
The Tesla mobile unit is high power and compact. By default it comes with a plug for standard household 120V, 15A; but Tesla sells replacement plugs that let you connect up to 240V, 50A. And with the third-party J-1772 adapter, it works with any EV. (That adapter will also let you charge at public "Tesla Destination Chargers" that are usually free at hotels and malls. Doesn't let you use Tesla Superchargers, though.)
Seems like you should be able to get an adapter for that. Amazon
Firstly, what kind of EV do you have that doesn't have a J1772 and uses Lead-acid batteries? Does it support 240v by chance? If so you might be able to make this work if your garage just has the "High power wall connectors" and not SuperChargers.
First you need this adapter to get from the Tesla-specific plug out to normal J1722 https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
Then there is this thing that takes a J1772 and gives you normal plug. The trick is, it will only do 220v output. https://www.evseadapters.com/products/j1772-ev-adapter-for-ebike/
Curiosity killed the cat.
But knowing brought him back
So let's figure this out. First, How much can cars draw? the Audi e-tron SUV, Mercedes B Class B250e, and Porsche Taycan can draw 9.6Kw - that's 40 amp.
The Audi Q5 Plug in Hybrid can do 7.7kw or 32 amp.
Every other EV or Hybrid can only do 30 amps or less.
There are only a few Tesla -> J1172 adapters out there.
Lectron makes one. Good for 40 amps. https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
EVSEAdapters makes one. You can choose if it's rated for 32, 40 or 80 amps. https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tesla-to-j1772-adapter/
TeslaTap makes one. Good for 30 amps. http://www.umc-j1772.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=50
So, unless you have an Audio e-tron SUV, or Q5 Plug in hybrid, or Mercedes B Class B250e, or Porche Taycan, any of the adapters will do just fine. Have one of those cars? Stick to the Lectron or EVSEAdapters.
I’m aware of how it works, we have a Tesla and a non Tesla in our home. Most cars on the road can access most of those charging protocols you mentioned. Tesla can easily access a J1772 charge cable by an adapter that most it not all Teslas come with. Non tesla cars can use Tesla charge cables by a variety of adapters.
Saying “because they have a Tesla plug they can’t charge there” is incredibly misinformed.
This is specifically what I had in mind.
I assume that there are others, that do the same.
Just get another Tesla mobile charger and a J1772 adapter.
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
The adapter isn't the problem. The issue is that Tesla has to open its network to non-teslas. They've already done that in some countries and apparently have already announced plans to do that in the US by the end of the year.
You can't just use a Tesla to J1772 adapter?
I've used this one on my Kona a few time to charge at Tesla destination chargers (level 2)...
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07V7V2QT8/
this is on amazon Canada... but I'm sure you kind find the same item on Amazon US.
If you have a tesla cord you can get a Tesla to J1772 adapter like this Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Tesla uses a different connector than other EVs but you can get an adapter if you install a Tesla wall connector: https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
I use a tesla level 2 charger portable, which work really good for me with a lectron adapter.
Tesla level 2. They only sell it to a tesla owner but you can buy it on eBay.
Lectron adapter
Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
This combination work very well for my.
This is the adapter I purchased from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_WBGBMMWGCD77Z70PRJNK
I owned a 2016 Nissan LEAF S-30 from 2017-2019, before going to Tesla.
The charging infrastructure sucks, and is the leading reason I chose to go with Tesla.
I think it is less bad now, but the main problem you're going to run into is DCFC reliability, and availability.
As /u/trtsmb stated, use PlugShare to check on available chargers and such. This is by no means the "be all, end all" of charger lists out there, however, it's maintained by people who drive EVs and sometimes the chargers are listed by people like you and me. I was traveling to a hospital in South Georgia and stumbled across a bank of four Level 2 chargers at the hospital that weren't on the map. I've since added them, but PlugShare is still your best bet.
That said, be sure to do your homework on this one. Tesla, by far, as the best charging infrastructure out there, and is the main reason I switched.
There are four plugs that are common used.
- J1772 is the standard used for Level 2 charging on all cars but Tesla. Tesla offers an adapter though to use J1772. Speeds will range based on what it's plugged into, anywhere from 1mph to 20mph though is typical.
- CHAdeMO is a DC Fast Charge connector commonly found in low range EVs, like the Nissan LEAF, KIA Niro EV, etc. If the EV has a 150mi, or less, range, then odds are it is going to have a CHAdeMO plug for fast charging. CHAdeMO is being phased out. I recommend avoiding EVs that use CHAdeMO as the DCFC plug. Teslas can use CHAdeMO with an adapter, however, the adapter can only be found on eBay as it was discontinued.
- Combined Charging Solution, or CCS, is the non-Tesla standard for EVs that go over 150mi in range. It's a combination of the J1772 plug and two DC pins for fast charging. IT's also known as the "Frankenplug" and is huge. Like CHAdeMO it is only used for DCFC sessions, but can also charge faster than CHAdeMO. Tesla is currently working on a CCS adapter for use with their vehicles, it's available in South Korea, but its North American availability is unknown.
- Tesla has their own proprietary adapter that only works with Tesla vehicles. The same plug is used for both level 2 charging and DCFC, it's the charger that tells the car how to charge. There's a Tesla to J1772 adapter that's available like this one, which allow you to use a Tesla destination charger, but not a Tesla Supercharger.
In terms of the overall charging network health in the Tampa area, it's varied, and ultimately depends on people following an unwritten etiquette in using the chargers. Back when I worked in downtown Tampa there was a AAA office that had a couple free chargers out front. I'd arrive around 6-7am and plug in first, as no one was there at that time, then an hour or two later I'd move my car to let someone else charge. There was another guy who drive a Chevy Volt who'd plug in after me and would then pull an eScooter from his trunk and scooter off to his work place that was about a block away, then he'd come back 4-5 hours later, while on their lunch break, and retrieve the vehicle. A Chevy Volt doesn't take 4-5 hours to charge.
I had a similar issue with the chargers at USF. There is one charger near the Patel International Affairs office that I'd have to drive from Lakeland, FL to and it was always a "race" between me, and a Ford Fusion Energi driver on who got to the charger first. My LEAF needed to be plugged in for four hours to get back to 100%, I didn't need it all mind you, but I was going to be in class anyways, so I just left it plugged in, and it would be back to 100% when done. The Ford Fusion Energi guy only needed like an hour put would often still be plugged in when I was leaving at night. USF has, or had back in 2018, enough chargers, however, the other bank of chargers that I would use were the ones up near the library. That area was pretty high in traffic, and was a much further walk from where my classes were. The other issue you'd run into is people with internal combustion engines (ICE) vehicles parking there and just blocking the chargers outright, or using them as a spot to wait for their buddies. Made for a very inconsistent charging experience.
Back when I had my LEAF I've driven from Plant City, FL to Cape Canaveral, and back, in a single day, in 2018. I had to stop in Lakeland, Orlando, and Cape Canaveral, then Orlando, just to get home again. Each stop was a minimum of 30-45 minutes, and the last stop in Orlando took about an hour or so because when a LEAF battery gets hot it throttles the speed at which it charges, and by the fourth charge I had hit the thermal limits of the battery. This issue is unique to LEAFs though as the batteries are air cooled, not liquid cooled like other EVs. A drive that normally takes two hours each way ended up taking about 3-3.5 hours. I also had to call the places with the CHAdeMO outlets to make sure they were working, and would be available. Since then, one of the chargers I used is no longer operational. The Lakeland Jenkins Nissan dealership has not repaired their CHAdeMO charger in close to four years now, and they always park customer vehicles in the way, so the charger was never really accessible.
Anyways, it's better now than it used to be for non-Tesla EVs, but you're still going to want to use PlugShare to make sure everything is on the up n' up. I typically use A Better Route Planner, otherwise known as ABRP to do "feasibility testing" to make sure that the route I'm trying to drive is possible, then PlugShare to validate that the chargers along that route are operational and healthy.
What ultimately made me go from my LEAF to a Model 3 was a combination of things. I was at the Brandon Nissan dealership using their CHAdeMO charger when I misunderstood a prompt on the screen and accidentally stopped the charger on a fellow LEAF owner. It was the first time I'd seen a 2018 LEAF in the wild, wasn't used to the newer body design, and I thought the CHAdeMO charger was locked up (This is a common issue), so I went to reset it, and when I went to reach for the plug I realized my error. I scrambled to find the owner, but was unable to locate them on property. In the time that I had spent searching for the owner a 3rd LEAF owner popped up and saw the charger was not in use, and despite my charge flap being open (A universal way of saying "I've got next") the 3rd LEAF owners took the charger. When I explained what happened, and how technically I should be next, they were like "Well, it won't be long, plus there's another charger down the road at the Dunkin' Donuts", etc, etc (I didn't want to charge at the Dunkin' because the Nissan charger was free). Dude who owned the first LEAF showed up and was understandably upset, and there was a non-violent confrontation between the first and third LEAF owners where the first owner basically stopped the charge session and forcibly removed the charger from the third owner's vehicle and then plugged his car back in. The 3rd owner was flustered at the exchange and off they went. I apologized profusely to the first owner regarding my having stopped their charge, and explained I searched around for him, and then they showed up, and he understood, and advised me he was a couple businesses away. Dude was a courier and was using the Nissan dealership as his personal refueling station.
The other reason was that CHAdeMO chargers were often found at Nissan dealerships and given 3rd world citizen treatment. Lakeland has yet to repair theirs, and the Nissan dealership on Dale Mabry made the charger inconvenient to get to. I asked them to move a vehicle for me and they said I could fit, and they walked away. So I did my best to fit, which I did, but the point is that these chargers shouldn't be getting blocked, or you should be cooperating with the person trying to charge. Suffice to say that I swapped to Tesla afterwards.
My understanding is that the CCS ownership experience is way better than the CHAdeMO one, but Tesla is the premium one.
The key difference, for DCFCs at least, is that Tesla owns and operates the chargers themselves, if they go offline, they are notified and send someone out ASAP. CCS and CHAdeMO, those chargers are operated by the local business. So, EVgo has a partnership with Dunkin' Donuts, but it's still up to the franchise to call in the repair. Greenlots is owned by Shell, but again, it's up to the local business to call it in. And so on and so forth. If the local business doesn't want to repair it, then you're boned. Electrify America seems to be the exception to the rule, where they try to operate like Tesla, but their CCS to CHAdeMO ratio is like 6:1, plus their charge times are longer.
Anyways, the point is that the charging network is fine, however, you should always have "Plan B" in the back of your head, and ideally, you should be able to charge from home as much as possible. If you're relying on public chargers, you're going to shoot yourself in the foot if that charger suddenly stops working and the business chooses not to fix it.
I had to use my Plan B when going on a trip from Tampa, FL to Valdosta, GA. I stopped to charge at the Gainesville Tesla Supercharger and found it not functioning properly. Me and like 6 other Teslas were all finding that none of the chargers would engage. I drove over to the Electrify America charger in the nearby Target parking lot and used the CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter to plug in and charge for 45 minutes or so and move on to the next Supercharger to get the rest.
I've been driving an EV since 2017, and EV only since 2020.
If it’s a Destination Tesla chargers (small units at hotels and garages), then yes.
If it’s the super chargers, then no.
You sure you're thinking of the right adapter? To plug the Tesla charger into a Rivian you need a Tesla-female-J1772-male adapter which Tesla doesn't make. The adapter that came with your Tesla is a J1772-female-to-Tesla-male which is not what you need to make that charger plug into the Rivian.
The only other difference is that, since you mentioned you Tesla charger doesn't have WiFi that means it's a Gen 1 or Gen 2 variant, you'll potentially lose charging speed. The Gen 1/2 could do 80A continuous but only if A) you wired it that way B) your Tesla has the dual onboard chargers which was an option on early S/X cars.
This guy does great home charging reviews.[https://youtu.be/MNrxHI3Chfo]
I have a Tesla L2 charger at home. I use this adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_navT_a_6S99WFJR8DNYVBNGBYAA
Sorry, I said Tesla to CCS but it was actually a Tesla to J1772 adapter:
I'm not familiar with any portable chargers except those that come with the EV itself, outside of Tesla's Mobile Connector. It's extremely versatile, with its various plug adapters, and can be used on any EV when combined with something like this Tesla to J-1772 adapter.
That said, they've been out of stock on the Tesla shop for a while, so the only way to get one is third party. There are some semi-decent prices on eBay, but mostly a bit over-retail, due to the shortage.
Im using this adapter
Oh, do you have a link on where you read the DIP switch settings?
Lectron Tesla to J1772 Adapter
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
Not a problem! I also wrote up an article about my install here.
Regarding your questions - I would HIGHLY recommend using chargers that can load-share. That would be a Tesla HPWC (could be a J1772 version), Juicebox, or a couple others. That will let you set up one or more load groups for sharing. In my garage we have it set for two load groups, each 100A - one for Tesla Gen3 HPWC and one for "other" that hasn't been defined yet because we've not gotten there. By doing a load group, you could have all of your spaces eventually with EV charging; since it is highly unlikely that everyone will be charging at once you'll get a solid charge rate most of the time, and it'd be a lot less hassle (plus, you have that many more potential spaces for "tap fees" to tie in). FYI, so you don't have to do the math, even IF everyone were charging at once, you'd have 12A@240V, or just under 3kW (2.5kW if you have 3ph power at 208V line-line).
For charging units, if you go with Tesla HPWC's, you can buy them with the cable already swapped, get an adapter, or a few other options. **CAVEAT**: Currently the Tesla Gen3 HPWC supports a 4-unit load group, you can set the amps to however much you want and each unit can be configured (ie: if you're using a J1772 adapter you need to make sure it's 40A instead of 48A) however it needs to be up to 48A with 60A breaker. If you need more than 4 now, you may want to get a Juicebox. Otherwise, Tesla is promising a software update to the HPWC that will unlock up to 16 in a load group.
The NEC now recognizes a managed load group to allow a panel to be "over capacity" - ie: have 13x60A (or 780A) of service in a 200A panel, so long as there's a load management system that limits it to 80% of the panel or 160A.
For your question or reimbursement - that would matter on how the MOU is written. You could say it's to an individual whether or not they're a resident, I suppose. We wrote ours to say "Pay the owner of 205 by name" and not myself, because I'm a renter and we have a handshake agreement with 205. As far as being concerned about losing a couple grand if you leave - that may just be a bite the bullet and consider that a loss in the future if you leave. For me, I'm counting the ~$3k I spent to install charging as a sunk cost personally and if we get reimbursement in whole or part, great, but having that saves me a lot of hassle now.
For meters - I *highly* recommend EKM Meters. You can have a "master" meter that's measuring the inbound feed to the 200A panel, and then additional meters for each charging connector; these meters can talk to each other over Zigbee wirelessly and with their cloud product upload the data to their cloud service. Their cloud service (free) can then distribute bills accordingly through encompass.io. For 3-phase inlet you'd need at least an Omnimeter for the inlet feed with additional OmniMeters for each charging connector, plus the Push3 gateway and some Zigbee adapters. See install info here.
Lectron - Tesla to J1772 Adapter,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
This is the one I use.
Picked this one up on Amazon but have yet to use it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V7V2QT8/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_asin\_title\_o09\_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Nah dawg, there are cheaper Tesla to J1772 adapters on amazon.
There was a company QC Charge that was converting Tesla mobile chargers to Mobile J1772 chargers unfortunately they cost $600 and it looks like they are not making them any more. It may be worth calling the company to see if you can get one, but Tesla may have forbidden aftermarket modification of their product due to liability.
The other option is to buy a stock Tesla Mobile adapter for $275 and adapters as needed for $35-45 or all of them for $220 and a Tesla to J1772 adapter for $159.
The nice part of going that route is that you could use the Tesla to J1772 adapter to charge at Tesla destination chargers. The bad part is that the charger would not be locked to your charge port so you might need to find another way to secure the charger to keep it from getting stolen.
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
This is what your looking for - Tesla to J1772. It only works with destination chargers (hotels, stores). It does not work with Superchargers.
depends which Tesla station it is , Tesla super chargers (the fast ones) pull vin from car to charge you and thus you could not use. Tesla destination chargers (slow ones and in dwindling numbers) can use a converter such as https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
There is already a way to charge i3s on Tesla Destination Chargers, but not Superchargers.
Link to adapter: https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
Here's a video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_bedA2mQM
Almost forgot, you can also get Tesla to J1772 adaptors like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
The price has come down quite a bit, this one is $160.
Most Tesla L2 stations are 10kW or more.
Other EVs can use a Tesla destination charger with an adapter($160).
If you go the tesla charger/mobile charger route and end up with another non-tesla EV, you can still use it with something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7V2QT8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_K.vLFb91A7DGV?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Not correct. Tesla -> J1772 connectors definitely do exist! Lots of EV owners use them to use Tesla Destination chargers.
They do not work with superchargers... But they work great with Tesla destination chargers.
https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Tesla-Charger-J1772-Adapter/dp/B07V7V2QT8
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