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Edit: I just read the rest of what you said and misunderstood. There are podcasts, ask about them in the Latin sub.
Check out /r/Latin.
Also, buy this: Lingua Latina per se Illustrata
In college I used Keller and Russel's Learn to Read Latin and didn't have any luck with it.
A few years later I picked up Lingua Latina, (and its supporting materials), and did a LOT better. The latter uses an immersion based method where you try to figure out what's going on based on cognates. Over time you pick up conjugation and declension pretty naturally instead of trying to memorize tables.
There are supporting materials with classical vs ecclesiastical pronunciation which you might find helpful as well.
Edit: Check out the Amazon preview I linked, it should give you a good idea of what to expect.
Yes basically writing a text in German without any explanatory notes. It just came to my mind since your approach is so heavy on cognates so students should be able to understand a text made up of those cognates and half cognates.
You can preview some pages of the book on Amazon, maybe it will help clarify what I mean: Amazon link
Get the book Familia Romana. It teaches how to read Latin by reading a book completely in Latin (using context and easy words that slowly build).
Stuff like: Roma in Italia est. Italia in Europa est. But it builds into a story with characters and a plot.
This is one heck of a syllabus for yourself. Remember to be kind to yourself! Keep an open mind and follow your interests. For instance, if you find yourself hating Plato, feeling totally unmotivated to read anything because you're dreading what's "next on the list," I'd advise you to let yourself change it up. You can drop a book here or there or read summaries / excerpts. What's important is your engagement with the texts, not some grinding completion-ism.
Feel free to DM anytime if you need help with Latin/Greek. I'd suggest picking up LLPSI and its companion pieces for Latin. I suggested Italian Athenaze below, but note that it is not nearly as beginner friendly as LLPSI. Athenaze works best if you've already learned Greek grammar and have some basic vocab. LLPSI works from scratch.
Meines Erachtens die absolut beste Methode es sich autodidaktisch beizubringen ist mit Hans Ørbergs Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata.
Keine langweiligen Grammatikübungen, sondern Latein als echte Sprache lernen! Macht echt Spaß.
I can’t access your link, but here’s the book on Amazon. There are also free pdf copies online. The author wrote a number of other accompanying books but I just used this one, plus some public resources on grammar - you can easily find a lot on various universities websites by googling.
Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, Pars I: Familia Romana (Latin Edition) https://www.amazon.com/dp/1585104205/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_RZKNJKB49WJAHHNS97RP
Si grammaticae rudimenta iam didicisti, te exhortor, ut ad librum Orbergi pergas, qui inscribitur "Lingua Latina per se illustrata : Familia Romana". Mea sententia, tibi non solum nulli difficultati erit, verum et multo gaudio.
Quem si emere nolueris, conare eum per Googlem "filetype:pdf" addendo quaerere.
Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, basically a graded reader which takes you to a B1 understanding if you can finish it, according to some people. I can’t find sources, and I haven’t finished it myself, only read the first two chapters, so take it with a grain of salt.
Here’s an amazon link for the first book, I’m sure you can find copies of it around.
Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata and Wheelock's Latin are the go to books for learning.
Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata is completely in Latin and makes you learn by reading.
Wheelock's is learning by studying grammar.
What I recommend is looking up "Learn Latin" on Youtube to study the basics of pronunciation and learning what you can from there. If you enjoy it, buy one of those books to dive deeper into the subject.
Yep, <em>Lingua latina per se illustrata</em> by Hans Ørberg. Cf. Amazon link.
Yeah this is about right
Author of (the amazing) LLPSI on the off chance someone here is wondering.
Hi! It's great that you want to learn Latin yourself - I was in a similar position not long ago, and can share my experience. Firstly, it's not going to be very easy, but it will be a lot of fun - learning Latin will teach you a lot about linguistics, history, and even English.
It seems to be a consensus at /r/latin that Wheelock's, while being a good textbook, teaches to translate, not to read. It focuses on rote memorization of grammar. Lingua Latina, on the other hand, focuses on reading comprehension and is considered by /r/latin users to be a superior learning method. It's based on the natural method: it is written completely in Latin, beginning with very simple phrases which speaker of any European language can understand, and slowly progresses further. To give you an idea, its first sentence is "Rōma in Italiā est". You can understand it easily, and you've already learned 4 words!
While Lingua Latina is a great textbook, I would advise getting some supplements to augment your studying process. All of them can be bought on amazon, or acquired by other means if you wish to cut your costs. Excercitia Latina, which follow Lingua Latina chapter by chapter, will give you enough practice to get a firm grip on each chapter's material. I would recommend not just filling the gaps in, but writing whole exercises out in a separate notebook - making the mechanical memory help you memorize words and grammatical structures. Latine Disco and Neumann's companion are useful companions, which will help you understand grammar introduced in each chapter of Lingua Latina (you only need one of them).
Finally, memorizing words is necessary with any language, and Latin is no exception. Some students find Lingua Latina's method to be sufficient for spaced repetition of new words, but it wasn't enough for me. I used anki, a spaced repetition software based on flashcards, to study words. There is a Lingua Latina deck available for anki, divided into chapters: thus you can easily add words into your flashcard pool after completing every LL chapter.
I hope this helps! If you'll have any questions on the material, redditors on /r/latin are very nice and are always willing to help.
Good luck with your studies!
Completely agree. Latin is the sine qua non for getting deep in this stuff IMO.
(Cf what John XXIII says about it in his encyclical dedicated to Latin, Veterum Sapientiae:
>No one is to be admitted to the study of philosophy or theology except he be thoroughly grounded in this language and capable of using it.
How far we've fallen. LOL. )
FWIW what most helped my Latin was, by far, Hans Orberg's Lingua Latina. Not sure if you're familiar. Orberg is an advocate of the so-called "Natural Method": i.e. the books are entirely in Latin. No English. Starts off super simple, but progresses quickly enough and gets advanced in volume II. Gets you to be able to read Latin without translating in your head.
Volume 1 workbook
Volume 2 workbook.
I would definitely recommend starting at the beginning, not skipping anything just because it seems easy, and not moving on to the next lesson until you've thoroughly mastered it. Repetitio est mater studiorum. I was amazed at my progress doing this. If you get through volume 2 you can read virtually anything in Latin (classics, Augustine, etc). Really the only thing to do after volume 2 is to just read Latin with dictionary in hand to increase vocab. Orberg is a master. Highly, highly recommended. I wish there were a comparable series for Greek!
The preview of Lingua Latina is good enough that you can see it's a story that's entirely in Latin, yet progresses slowly enough that it's understandable. It's like if Rosetta Stone had more context and more grammar explanation.
You can easily learn Latin on your own if you're dedicated enough. Pick up Lingua Latina per se Illustrata and follow the Dowling Method and you'll be reach a decent level fairly quickly. You could always add some lessons after you've done this if you want to focus on speaking or work on some more obscure grammar points.
I would recommend starting with the following resources. I am actually a 17M as well, and what sparked me to learn Latin was discovering a section of the UK National Archives on Medieval Latin, which piqued my interest considerably in the language, besides other factors.
- I would recommend using this National Archives website that I mentioned so that you can learn the grammar you will need. You do not need to do the lessons, but it's a very helpful repository of information. https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/latin/
Also, don't worry about the fact that the website is geared towards Medieval Latin. There are basically no grammatical differences between Medieval and Classical Latin (except maybe -e instead of -ae for first declension noun endings).
- Now, the main method that people here on this subreddit seem to use is the Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata (LLPSI) series of books. This series is very well-done, from what I have heard, and it teaches you Latin by the direct method, and it takes you from very simple sentences all the way to reading excerpts from various classics. You can get the Lingua Latina series with this link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Familia-Romana-Lingua-Latina-HansH/dp/1585104205/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1667412318&refinements=p_27%3AHansH.+%C3%B8rberg&s=books&sr=1-1&text=HansH.+%C3%B8rberg
- You can start using the Lingua Latina books straight away, or you can use a method called the Dowling Method. That method was invented by Professor William C. Dowling. In essence, you learn about some important grammatical concepts, then you brute-force memorise the noun and adjective declensions, as well the verb conjugations, and then you start with the Lingua Latina series. The original page regarding the Dowling Method is here: https://wcdrutgers.net/Latin.htm
Now, some people like the Dowling Method, others prefer other methods. It's really up to you. I personally am following the Dowling Method, I trust that the memorisation and the Lingua Latina series will do me and many others a world of good in learning Latin and being fluent in it at that. Again, don't feel like you need to use this method. It's just an option out of many.
- There are many resources in the resources tab of this subreddit. Consider using them as well.
Hope this helps you. Don't be afraid to reach out to people for help if you need it. Good luck.
It looks like you can get a new copy for ₹3,126.00 ($39) on Amazon.
Pour le latin il faut commencer par là : https://www.amazon.fr/Lingua-Latina-Se-Illustrata-Familia/dp/1585104205
Il y a d'autres livres dans la série, cf. ici pour l'ordre de lecture.
À toi de voir si tu veux suivre un livre de grammaire plus classique en parallèle, ce n'est pas obligatoire.
Il n'existe malheureusement pas d'équivalent en grec. Il y a la méthode Athenaze qui s'en rapproche un peu. Une discussion de la méthode ici.
Ok, since you've got a couple years, I'd highly recommend starting out with LLPSI (see "How to learn Latin in the menu bar of the this subreddit for details) and trying to read through it in about 6 months. At the same time, read everything level-appropriate you can get your hands on: Latin novellae, Colloquia Personarum (book that goes with LLPSI), etc. Also, buy the Companion to go over the grammar explicitly since you will. You need to cram as much Latin into your brain as possible that you can understand, i.e. level-appropriate stuff. That is how you learn to read and understand Latin, not Wheelock's. See all the podcasts and Youtube channels as well in this document. Become and sponge and fill your brain with Latin input.
You can work your way up to reading at a pretty good level if you are consistent about it. In the year you take the test, you should get the Caesar and Vergil books that go over those texts you'll be reading in your Udemy class. Read over them several times. Also get the workbook for the AP test and do it in the spring of the year you will take the test.
Stop doing Duolingo and do the above if you are spending time you'd otherwise be learning Latin in a more effective way while doing Duolingo. If you have enough time to do both, then great.
Source: Learned Latin using Wheelock's and similar books. Had to relearn Latin for real later because Wheelock's and similar books don't teach you how to read Latin. Taught AP Latin to high schools who had learned both ways. Graded the AP Test. With regards to the latter, don't let the test stress you. Back when I was grading it, you had to get like 50-60% of the test right to pass/get a 3.
Audio Recordings for Lingua Latina per se Illustrata
It's not so much a dictionary but the Familia Romana books take this approach - there's no English, and instead Latin words are glossed primarily using other Latin words or using pictures/symbols/diagrams. I've been casually reading through the first book to brush up on my Latin - I have a degree in it, but it's been a few years - and found it excellent.
There is also Orbis Pictus Latinus although I've not spent any time using it other than a cursory flick through.
Actually, I'm using Lingua Latina: https://www.amazon.com/Lingua-Latina-Illustrata-Pars-Familia/dp/1585104205/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1UIL602SYDKWU&keywords=lingua+latina&qid=1646631644&sprefix=lingua+latina%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-3
I have a sort of grudge match with Latin, struggling with it since 14. I was intrigued when I found out about this particular book, which uses the "natural method." Basically, from the very first page you're reading in Latin. There are pictures to help you with the words, although it's not the vocabulary that is a problem for me, but the damn grammar. It is my opinion that noun declensions brought down the Roman empire and I refuse to be convinced otherwise.
Read through Familia Romana along with an audio recording. Short of having a private tutor, it's the only way to go. I highly recommend the companion material as well.
Familia Romana: https://www.amazon.com/Lingua-Latina-Illustrata-Pars-Familia/dp/1585104205/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=familia+romana&qid=1646617234&sprefix=familia+roma%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-1
Companion material: https://www.amazon.com/Companion-Familia-Romana-%C3%98rbergs-Vocabulary/dp/158510809X/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=familia+romana&qid=1646617247&sprefix=familia+roma%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-2
Audio recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zt19wzsW-c&list=PLgRzfb61svDoPLazINtqHt-ap4YIuSEdV&index=1
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If anyone is interested in learning some Latin check out this book
(Lingua Latina)[https://www.amazon.com/dp/1585104205/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_QXJS6GHFZERC10S15Z00] is a very easy way to start learning Latin.
Read this book:
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Latina Per Se Illustrata is one of my favorite language learning books ever. There’s also a great YouTube series based on the book,
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I'm a big fan of Oerberg's Lingua Latina per Se Illustrata. And I won't be the only one around here to recommend it. The whole thing is written in Latin of ascending difficulty. Reading through it gradually familiarizes you with reading Latin rather than translating. I do think it's a must to study grammar, but being accustomed to reading will often mean you just understand what was written without having to think about grammar.
I have recently gotten a hold of the grammatical companion to LLPSI, and so far it seems very verbose, but that makes it a kind of gentle explanation of the grammar that you're growing familiar with on an intuitive level by reading LLPSI. Otherwise, a standard grammar text like Wheelock's will do for learning that part.
I also recommend Traupman's Latin Dictionary as your standard companion. It's portable, fairly comprehensive and many entries demonstrate idiomatic usages which will often clear up what it is youre reading, and are things you want to have in your repertoire as a Latin speaker. Check out https://www.latinitium.com/for other resources, such as the ability to search Smith's English-to-Latin dictionary, Horae Latinae, Lewis & Short and Döderlein’s Hand-book of Latin Synonymes at the same time. https://www.latinitium.com/e.
You might like this (there's a whole series I think):
You don't need to spend anywhere near that much money.
Buy Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata from Amazon. It teaches Latin entirely through Latin, and is far and away the best method for learning the language.
There's a second book to progress to after finishing the first, and there are various readers to accompany them.
If you want to see how the method works (and also just visit a great Latin resource), then watch Scorpio Martianus' series where he reads the first book out loud, chapter by chapter, with the pages displayed in the video.
The Amazon listing has a "Look Inside" feature that will show you chapter 1 and quite a lot of the rest of the book.
I think it may be available here: https://www.academia.edu/21452941/Lingua-Latina-Oerberg-Familia-Romana-LibroCompleto.pdf
DO read LLPSI Familia Romana! It's a 300 page continuous story introducing over 1000 words not covered in Wheelock!
Besides that, have fun with all the online resources available, like Magister Craft's many Minecraft video's (Latin subtitles available), the 24 episodes of Forum Romanum (full script in the description), Legonium, or Tres Columnae (which requires a lot of clicks to go through each story, but surprisingly provides an enormous narrative of over 140.000 words using a ~3000 word vocabulary). Also Cloelia , as one of the many simple novellas published in the last 3 years, can prove to be a nice read.
At this stage, it doesn't really matter what you read, as long as you read a lot of it and enjoy doing so.
You absolutely need Pars I: Familia Romana.
If you are an autodidact, you also need the Teachers' Materials & Answer Keys.
I would strongly suggest you get the Companion to Familia Romana, since it makes explicit all the inductive teaching from Familia Romana. If you let it become a crutch, then the course becomes "Just like Wheelock's, but with extra reading material." However, it's invaluable if you're banging your head against the wall, unable to figure out what something means or why something is done a certain way.
You should also get Fabellae Latinae for extra reading material, since it's a free download.
Since the whole point of the course is "lots of reading that teaches you inductively," I'd also get the Colloquia Personarum, which is extra reading material (like Fabellae Latinae) tied to each of the chapters in Familia Romana.
I did not get the extra book of exercises. Following the advice of Justin Slocum Bailey, I'm spending that time reading more.
Are you familiar with Lingua Latina: Familia Romana? it works really well for solo study, and it gets you in the habit of reading Latin directly (not translating it).
Whatever you do, don't use Wheelock.
If you'd like a class, do this: http://www.paideiainstitute.org/intensive_latin_and_greek_summer_2016
If you'd just like a book, use this:
<em>Lingua Latina Per Se Illustra</em> is an example of one without an intermediary language.
Ach, this reminds me that I have yet to finish my project of translating a children's book (this one) and finding someone to help translate a much longer, intuitive text (this one) that will also be very useful for adults.
So much to do, so little time.