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I mean too much of a waste of electricity. If it’s too bright you just back it up.
Any blurples will do just go by reviews on amazon. I’ll sell you two mars hydros for $50 if you’re interested. I payed $100 each used one grow.
If I was really trying to go for the bare-minimum cost setup I'd have it in a closet and here's what I'd do:
The hardest decision would probably be lighting... I'd advise you either go the CFL route (look it up on growweedeasy.com) or a cheap LED light from Amazon. You can get a 180W draw light from Amazon for $66, and it's decent, not the best, but you can surely go from seedling to harvest with them. MarsHydro is a well-known and relatively reliable brand: https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Certification-Hydroponic-Greenhouse/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=sr_1_7?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1506140832&sr=1-7&keywords=led+grow+light
The last thing you will really need is ventilation. To start you can just use some small-fan you may have laying around but later the odor will become an issue. You can make your own carbon filter for cheap, or you can buy one. I believe you can get a basic carbon filter/fan combo for around $50 online.
You can get a MarsHydro 300 for $65 with free shipping off amazon/eBay and it has almost the same exact specs.
That website is getting a cut from that light company. That’s the only reason they are recommending that garbage.
Do you think it's a bad idea to put them outside on the warm days? (like 60+)?
I'll keep them under grow lamps for as long as it takes then. I have a pair of these, and they haven't been turned on in a couple of years, but last time I used them I grew and harvested peppers from seeds so they worked great for that at least. Hopefully they're suitable for this purpose too.
>Mars eco 300w. $109 before tax. Free Shipping.
Within 30 seconds I found the Mars 300 for $69.00 on Amazon (which is what I paid for it), free shipping with prime. So maybe you are searching a different model? I wouldn't pay 100+ for it.
So unless you are outside the US or buying from another retailer, I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from. Your $1.09 per watt just dropped to $0.69, my HLG 100 retailed for $160 for 100 watts of QB ($1.60 per watt, even though its 95 actual watts we'll call it 100.)
Oh also just another side note, the Mars actually pulls 132w from the wall, so all your budget numbers just got even higher. ($0.52 per watt)
I have ran them side by side and the Mars 300 is an excellent beginner budget light. Will it flower 2-3 plants alone? No, but for 1 plant in a small space it works very well.
So next time when your claim to have done your research, make sure you have actually done it.
Good budget light? Yes.
Comparably bad? Not even close
According to the corresponding amazon product page, that's only a 120 watt light. The "300W" is extremely misleading. The blue/red diodes (and diverting some power to a cooling fan) means it's probably only providing as much useful light as a QB dimmed to 80 watts or so.
Put another way, a Quantum Board will put out better light AND use less power. About the only thing the purple LED grow lights have going for them is that some are really cheap, but the full spectrum / QB lights are getting cheaper.
Is it a 50w equivalent or actually 50w? Is it a bulb or a panel with a bunch of small diodes? The kind I'm talking about is the panel and only runs 70 bucks.
Regardless though, give it as much light as you can with what you got.
That would only be okay for a seedling.
As others have stated the actually wattage is 12 watts.
The general rule for cannabis is 100 actual watts + 50 for each addition plant.
You would need 8 or 9 of them for a decent plant. That is about $240-$270.
You would be much better off getting an actual cheap led grow fixture.
Here is a 132 actual watt grow light for $76 which can provide a healthy harvest wight. https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Indoor-Growing/dp/B00XC3LBI2
if you buy this light HERE if will keep all of the plants happy, even the wee weedle
Something like this will work. What u/smallfeet_HUGETOES recommends below is better and will grow better plants. If you are just having fun this is an easy OTS solution.
Any light that is used to grow herbs/tomatoes should work. I have https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Indoor-Growing/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1509648710&sr=1-1&keywords=mars+hydro&dpID=51clUyqI-5L&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch and the only issue I have is that it is too powerfull for the distance I have it from the refugium. Tends to bleach out the chaeto if it stops tumbling.
Sure thing! I'm using this light https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Certification-Hydroponic-Greenhouse/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=sr_1_4?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1507633296&sr=1-4&keywords=mars+hydro+led+grow+light
So far these things have been growing rapidly under this light at 18 hours a day. I pruned them as someone here recommended, and they took off after that just as they said they would. Crossing my fingers and hoping for some good juicy peppers!
You got an ounce from a light that's meant for a 2x2 space? That's really good isn't it? I'm currently looking into possibly trying indoor for my first time and that lamp curently goes for less than $70 on Amazon.
Mars Hydro 300, it's the standard intro LED and very cost effective. Lots of great grows posted here under those lights. Even if you upgrade to higher wattage, the little 120-130W "300W" panel will be excellent for the early stages of your plants.
You can also look into T5 fluorescent, which is what I use for veg but could be used for a small flowering setup. The best part about T5 is its extremely low heat output. You can grow the plants until they're touching the tubes practically. I would skip CFL, I feel it's a poor lighting solution that's a waste of money (up front and cost over life) in the light (heh) of high performing LED panels and inexpensive and more efficient T5 setups.
This is actually a grow light and it's cheaper with a few more watts. It also has some red spectrum.
Edit: I see you already own it...it could help as supplemental lighting or as a veg light
Thank you for taking the time to write such a well written reply. Would I have to worry about too much light with any of these set lights? I only have very limited space to grow in.
Edit: also, would something like this work, or would I need something a little bit brighter? It says it's a 132 true watt panel.
I would still go with a 300 watt UFO led. They are probably the most efficient because all of it is contained in one unit including a heat fan. It also has a limited scalability if you ever wanted to increase your grow size.
The above LED is full spectrum so you do not need to switch out the light during flower. There are other LEDs in that price range that have dual mode which means you flip a switch when you are in flower and it changes spectrum.
I would recommend this as a minimum if you're going the led route. This light could yield you up to 4-5 ounces
Get a cheap 300W Mars Hydro. You'll spend more using CFL's anyway so might as well bite off on something like this.
As long as you have a place you can put an air intake/outtake, and can make it light proof should be perfect.
This light would be real decent in that area for an LED:
Yeah I think 2 plants would work in there as long as you don't over veg them.
Expect 40 more days olowering at least, as they say it takes 9-10 weeks and they often shorten the time, plus it is in ideal conditions, not yours with little light. Try adding some CFLs this time and get the mars 600(160usd) or 300 for the next grow. these are good, the 300 one is 130w actual draw and theyre 90usd free shipping. https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Mars300-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Greenhouse/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1467236231&sr=1-1&keywords=mars+300
So If I would upgrade I'd probably take something like this Mars 300w. However I read that the true wattage is around 170w while the true wattage of my cfl setup would be around 184w. Is this relevant?
I think this $100 LED matrix from MarsHydro might be a bit pricey, but it looks kickass. Run a few loops of an LED strip around the inside of the spacebucket as side source, and you'd be in business.
Hey there friend, just saw your post. That light is AWFUl for the price, I hope you didn't buy it. Its "true draw" the wattage it pulls from the wall, is 36 watts. You want atleast 50 watts MINIMUM for 1 plant. This light is overpriced and worthless and you will grow wispy buds that are low in THC content.
This light here is cheaper and TWICE as powerful.
I think for a brute, you will notice a lot of people using the slightly larger rectangle model LED I linked below. It is often advertised as '300 watts' but really only uses 130 true watts. But either should work fine. Yeah, I'd recommend a side light as well either way :).
Hey man, happy birthday!
For lighting, check out this MarsHydro 300W LED that's been on sale for the last few months for $89.99 (might be Prime-only?). It is absolutely worth it.
I successfully grew three autoflowers in a 5 gallon bucket and they each had their own peat moss starter pot (you can plant the starter pot directly into soil), but they didn't get too big. I'd start with one autoflower at a time till you're comfortable with the grow process and feel like you want to move up.
I you want to just grow 2-3 plants from the start, consider using two 18-gallon plastic totes stacked rim to rim (like a GNK Power Droid from Star Wars) - you'll have plenty of space, and it's not much different from a 5-gallon build!
This 300W MarsHydro LED is still on sale for $89.99 with Amazon Prime, I got on and it's bright as hell, definitely check it out.
I'm sure that light is fine, but seriously just go with cheaper marshydro(or equivalent) LEDs. Skip the HPS entirely, theres basically no point to using HPS unless you're at 600w+ and even then it really depends.
the "600w" draws 280w which should be enough for a 2x3 space
I think it depends. If you're transferring plants relatively young to start flowering, 250w is probably enough for that space. If you ever want to veg larger plants, than I'd imagine you'll want a little more power than that for full efficiency. Rather than changing out the light entirely you could just add one of these:
Start with one for seeding and buy a enough of them to fill the top of your grow space as you go. They are so damn cheap for what they are.
300w LED (from a pretty good company) for the cost of those two bulbs combined. Much better output, much better..well everything. Definitely worth the 80.00 if you can swing it. By the the time you buy a fixture, those bulbs and whatever you need to secure the fixtures you will have spent nearly this much anyway.
I'd go with CFL or T5 over those lights, 6W is nowhere near enough. If you want a cheap LED option I see a lot of people around here have has success with these. Keep in mind the actual power on those is around 130W, so you would probably want one per plant, maybe two plants if you are using a really small grow area.
I wouldn't pay more for that setup when I can get something like this MarsHydro panel for $80, that can be used for flowering as well as vegging. I have never seen anyone flower with those T5's, it's not powerful enough or the right spectrum.
I wouldn't bother with those lights. I was on the exact same boat as you a couple of weeks ago. Skmood1 actually pointed me in the right direction.
I'm not sure what your budget is, but you may want to look into COB LIGHTS. They are 1000 leagues better than the viparspectra and all those LEDS in the same tier. They use pretty old tech apparently.
I just started to learn ins and outs of LED, if I'm wrong here, please correct me
Lets take a look at a couple of the numbers Vipar provides (last picture on amazon). Looking at their spectrum sheet, right off the bat the light you selected will under perform where it matters, flowering; buds. It lacks a good deal of red spectrum light. However with that said, it'll be a decent light for veg, worth it? No, but decent. I won't say worth it, because now you want to look at efficiency and lumen per watt. Efficiency in terms of led is basically how much light is produced versus heat from your LED panel.
The Vipar has a pretty shitty efficiency, it loks like you'll be prducing 67% of heat vs 33% of usable light. With COBs, you can essentially choose your own, going all the way up to 70% light. With lower efficiency, you'll get more lumen per watt (more light, I guess?). The next step up are Quantum Boards, but those are always out of stock!
Just a heads up, COBs are generally more expensive outright, and there maybe a little DIY involved, but it totally worth it. I was running the 600w viparspectra PAR series for 2 weeks, and my seedlings grew about 3 inches. I moved over to a 2 cob array (less power than my vipar), and in 1 day I see 2 new growth leaves, both plants grew at least half an inch, I was blown out of the water.
P.S.- this one looks better: Mars Hydro 300w
Check out the spectrum chart! Good luck and have fun. I killed sooooo many seedlings, purchased sooooo many unnecessary things, but the people here helped me every step of the way. You're in proper hands.
I feel ya. In some cases LED's are definitely better. I have considered going down that road and I have a couple of Mars Hydro LED's. As many people will tell you around here though, the "Blurple" types of LED (a majority of the cheaper LEDs on amazon) are not very efficient at all. A "600 watt" Mars Hydro (actual draw 278w) cost me ~$140 and it can't even get close to the power of my 600w HPS. So LED's are not all created equal haha.
If you do go the route of LED, I highly suggest Quantum Boards, which many people around here will suggest. Or COB lights, such as https://www.rapidled.com/single-100w-logic-plug-and-play-led-grow-light/
They are more expensive, but I would bet if you do like 2x for instancehttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XC3LBI2/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
vs a 400 or 600 watt HPS. You would find the HPS to easily out compete them.
Yeah haha. I've got the MARS HYDRO 300.
Hanging it 1 meter above the canopy.
I guess actual wattage is 132w, according to its listing on Amazon
Plastic shelving unit: Any size will work, it just depends on how much space you have. I went with a four shelf unit with each shelf being 3’x2’ area and 2’ of space between shelves.
10” zip ties: Need long zip ties
Reflective insulation: This helps to reflect the light back onto the plants as well as insulate to keep the temperature up a bit. Could also use aluminum foil.
Gorilla tape: Make sure it’s heavy duty. I went through almost an entire roll
Foam board/cardboard: I used 1’ thick insulation foam board just because I already had a sheet laying around at home. You could also use cardboard if you have that. Just something that is structural as this is what makes your walls.
Lights:The most important part. These lights cover a 2’x2’ area. My shelving area is 3’x2’ so I have two per shelf.
Light timer: Plants should get 18 hours of light and 6 hours of dark.
Surge protector: Because a lot of plugs. I got one with at least 6 spots (4 for lights, 2 for fans)
Seed set-up process/planting materials here: See Step by Step Noob Grow section
Seeds from Lowes/Home Depot or a reputable online vendor if you’re looking for something exotic. Do NOT buy exotic seeds from Amazon, I guarantee you that they will be wrong.
I just winged (wung?) it for the construction. I first zip-tied the lights to the shelving unit, also zip-tied the cord to the shelving unit posts to keep it out of the way. I then cut the foam board to make the four walls and taped the reflective bubble wrap to the walls. I then attached three of the walls to the shelving unit with zip ties and whole a lot of gorilla tape. I wanted the front panel to be removable so I could have easy access to the plants. I tethered the front panel to the top of the shelving unit so that I could clip it on and off using carabineers. The front panel is only attached via the carabineers and just hangs. The carabineers came with the lights but since I used zip-ties to attach the lights, these were laying around so I made them work.
Even though they are LED lights, the box does get quite warm. The lights do have a built in fan but they honestly don’t provide enough air movement. It’s OK for germination but I’ll have to add a clip-on fan or two to the inside once they sprout.
I don't have a light meter, but they have the specs listed in the product description: https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Indoor-Growing/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=mars+hydro+300&qid=1574474853&sr=8-4
Mars 300 watt, I have three in a 8x4' tent, they work great.
I found this on amazon and saw basically the whole review section saying it’s great to grow weed with, what do you think? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_6t10CbP5A8DGZ
Oh fuck my format is all messed up on this post lol. Just the regular old mars hydros and some strip lights for the lower foliage.
MarsHydro LED Grow Light 300W... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XC3LBI2?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
LEDMO 5630 LED Strip, Daylight... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01339FVZS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_UXyJCb9T6VBBQ
Would a 300W light cover a 3x3x6 area?
More specifically, this one?
I have the 300w from this brand: https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Indoor-Growing/dp/B00XC3LBI2
I have definitely added the thermometer to my shopping list, thanks for your input, its greatly appreciated!
What lights do you want links to?
red blue led https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_8Y8tCbSPC6F60
Full spectrum led https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HI3AFYM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Y18tCb1SPQ3AM
Quantum is usually a kit you have to assemble. You can buy them pre assembled from hlg.
I use something similar to this: https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Indoor-Growing/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=sr_1_4?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1533512390&sr=1-4&keywords=mars+hydro
MarsHydro 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum for Hydroponic Indoor Plants Growing Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_iLJ0AbBVH7VYV
To light 16 square feet you should have around 800w of blurple or HID or 500w of COB or QB. I'm not sure you can achieve that with a budget of $150, though I could be wrong.
If you can increase the budget a tiny bit $185 will get you a state of the art light that will cover a 2'x2' area of your tent and you can add more later:
Or you could go with two Mars Hydro 300s, at $75 each, which would give you about 265w, enough to cover a 2.5'x2.5' area.
Depends on your budget, but
for around $70 Actual wattage 135
I use this and it works well. 300W is just the name/marketing. It draws 132 watts.
Don't go with the cheaper light. 50w of red and blue led's arent going to be enough PAR to get you through flowering.
The 2nd option should work. but instead Look into mars hydro 300w LEDS. I've seen grow videos on youtube of someone using 1 of those to veg for referencelink and 2 to flower. he produced 6 plants that way.so you may be able to get by doing 1 plant under 1 300w led. The plants yield will be limited by the factor in least supply- so all the light wont help if your short on nutrients, and all the nutrients wont help if your short on light. 300w redbluewhite led is a good start for a casual hobby plant.
This is what I used for my 2x4 tent and it worked perfectly - https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Indoor-Growing/dp/B00XC3LBI2
Oh, don't like Ebay? Here's amazon for a dollar more..
> What kind of lights are you using?
Using a single Mars Hydro 300W (130-140w something real output).
> Are you using a part a-b?
This is the nutrient solution I am running, with a 3/2/4 N/P/K-split.
> or it has too high of a nitrogen concentration leading to ph lock.
Would it be better to use the HESI's hydro bloom nutrients I've already bought that has a 3/4/5 N/P/K split then throughout both vegetative and flowering phase?
There's more powerful models as well. I would suggest checking Craigslist as there are always growers getting rid of old equipment.
Amazon Link To MarsHydro Light
Have you considered just getting a chinese LED? They are like 70 bucks, sometimes as cheap as 55.
You using this light?
Looks like you have it 12-16" above plants and a what... 3'x3' area for each one? I just built mine, but was considering getting more or getting a setup for when the big plants get bigger than the shelving would allow.
Looks like you have ~13 tomatos under one and ~17 tomatos/peppers under the other... how big will they get until you plant outside? Will those 2 lights be enough? (Just trying to figure out my own logistics)
I like the room though btw :)
One plant isn't a concern. I use a 132W MarsHydro LED + a PC fan, and in veg that works out to just under $10/month. In flower, the cost is half that.
I purchased some CBD Kush seeds from Seedsman. Put 3 in damp paper towels; they all had a bit of root sprout within 36 hours! I put them all between 1-2 cm down in soil in these cups; soil is Fox Farms Ocean Forest with a bit (20% ish) added perlite.
Grow cabinet is a 30"x14", 60" tall shelving unit on wheels, with panda sheeting. I've germinated 3 seeds, but plan on growing 2 plants in 1-cubic-foot (~7.5 gal) square fabric pots.
I have two Mars300 LED units (one is installed now).
Is this too much / the wrong light to use for right now, before they sprout from the soil?
Also, my only airflow at the moment is that 6" fan inside-- no vent to outside the cabinet yet.
This is the Mars I have: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_8xonybVH6YN72
I havent changed my light setup at all, I just pulled the plant out into the sun for the shot real quick.
There are a million grow-weed-easy or cheap tutorial on the net and I really recommend reading some to get an idea what you need to do.
A good starting point now a days is a LED grow light as it will be much less trouble and safer than using a bunch of CFL lights which are considered the cheapest but all the reflectors and adapters add up.
This is a decent starting LED light for $80 and will work for 1 big plant or 2 smaller ones. This will grow you about 4 ounces easy if you put some effort in.
Then you need some decent organic soil if you want to go cheap. Do NOT use miracle gro products, cannabis hates it.
That soil is about $16
Other stuff you need will be planters and a light timer.
Now we are at ~$110. This is a good starting point for a very small 1-2 plants grow that could give you 4 ounces if you do your research and put in about 3-4 months of time. You can get 3 grows in a year with that set-up and a small cabinet.
This is the light I had. I gave it to my brother and he now grows with it in that tiny tent. =)
Why not go with an LED? They are relatively inexpensive and stay a lot cooler then CFLs. Plus you don't have to switch between red and blue spectrum bulbs.
It's using just the spectra of light that are needed to grow plants, saving massively on energy. It uses LED bulbs. This is the sort of thing that they are most likely using.
EDIT: Ah, later down I see /u/unclejimmys is using GalaxyHydro 300W LED.
The 300 Model is $80. The 600 Model is $155. There are bigger and better lights out there, but the Mars 300 seems to be the cheapest and most widely used.
https://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Mars300-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Greenhouse/dp/B00XC3LBI2 , read the other comments, all this edits are confusing haha.
Get one or two of these and call it a day
The link in the starter list doesn't work. But the Mars 300 are still widely available at cheap prices on Amazon and ebay
I was actually looking at that one, but decided that this one may get the job done:
Generic "300w" ones from Amazon.
I look for sales. The one that's $99 now, I got for around $70. Don't remember how much I paid for the other one.
You think 2 of the 300w Mars Hydro would do?
I have that light and it is not enough to grow a plant under. Check out /r/spacebuckets for more bucket/small grow info on something the size of a mini fridge. This or This will grow plants in a small space, I've grown under both.
From the side it looks like the Mars Hydro http://www.amazon.com/MarsHydro-Indoor-Growth-Flowering-Spectrum/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446613910&sr=8-1&keywords=marshydro+led
The 300W MarsHydro LED lights and a couple strands of the 5050 LED strips.
The crates are 32" x 24" x 18".
Not sure of the dimensions of those but I still imagine 4x filling up pretty much the whole tent.
I've got the green ones
They're juicing the shit out of my plant imo https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=64031
Way easier to manage temps than with HPS, way less noise, but they're not as quiet as I would have expected either
MarsHydro LED Grow Light 300W 600W 1200W Full Spectrum for Hydroponic Indoor Plants Growing Veg and Flower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XC3LBI2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qneeDb7FTW18P
If you are going to get a blurple, get one that has enough Watts for your space. This is actual 120W which will cover 2.4 sqf.
I don’t recommend any led from amazon, but if you must purchase something from there, and price is a problem that is the best bang for your buck.
But you could look at alternative options like Quantum Boards off Alibaba, something like this
Check out this product on Alibaba App 2019 Advanced HLG V2 Quantum Board with samsung lm301b and CreeXPE red 660nm far red 730nm and LG uv top bin https://f2rq3.app.goo.gl?link=https://app.alibaba.com/dynamiclink?touchId%3D60828733990%26type%3Dproduct%26schema%3Denalibaba%253A%252F%252Fdetail%253Fid%253D60828733990%2526ck%253Dshare_detail%26ck%3Dshare_detail%26shareScene%3Dbuyer&apn=com....
That is actual 120W, and with just needing 30W per sq foot that is enough for 4 sq feet
when I upgrade should I go for a 300w or the 600w?
watts don't apply to LEDs in the same way as cfls or HPS/MH. and these are reflector series which are different than regular LEDS. companies have come out with newer reflector series recently.
for example with mars hydro
they have regular
and new reflector series
wattage is lower but they are more powerful or the same power while using less energy, check the ratings on both. they direct the light more intensely with the reflectors.
i have 2 viparspectra 450 watt reflector series and they work great for my 4x2x5 tent.
and 2 smaller lights are generally easier than one big one. more evenly distribute the light to your girls