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I am 99.9% certain that I am on a USB 3.0 interface. I have this drive bay and a USB B to USB A 3.1 cable that is plugged into a asus TUF X570 Tuf motherboard that has a Ryzen 7 5800x CPU in it
If you don’t want to go NAS get one of these and shuck the drives.
Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 ProBox 8 Bay 3.5" Hard Drive External Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0 & eSATA
I'm sure OP will be raiding it in software, which a lot of folks prefer nowadays anyways.
I myself was looking for one of these for this very purpose a few years ago and finally went with the 8-bay Mediasonic JBOD enclosure managed by the fantastic mergerfs+snapraid combo on a Ubuntu server. It's fantastically fantastic.
+1 for Storage Spaces
I use it at work and at home. Admittedly, at work I do NOT use it for production data of course, as hardware RAID is always best, but I do use it extensively throughout our environment for other purposes.
At home I have one of the famous MediaSonic ProBox USB 3 enclosures with 8 x 3TB drives in it, managed by Storage Spaces in a 2-column, 2-way config, which is equivalent to RAID10. I've been running this setup for 4 years now and it has been rock solid.
I also agree that you should steer clear of parity setups when using Storage Spaces. The performance hit is massive compared to hardware RAID5, and even tiered storage doesn't help much in most scenarios.
But RAID10 is a different story. When I first set this thing up I compared the speeds of these drives in a hardware RAID10 vs my current Storage Spaces setup and the differences in throughput were minimal. I was actually kind of shocked at how well it performed, and still performs to this day.
Thanks for the update! That’s a pretty good price. Oddly, Mediasonic out of nowhere updated their Amazon Page as well. https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-H82-SU3S2-ProBox-External-Enclosure/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?
Looks like the Syba is a better deal.
I have a couple of these if you’re interested.
Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 ProBox 8 Bay 3.5" Hard Drive External Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0 & eSATA
NonSAS but they have eSATA and USB-3
I have all the cables but none of the packaging.
4GB is a little thin. What speed RAM are you using on your old rig DDR3?. I might be able to send some your way (if you're in the US). Just PM me.
My backups are spread out. I use externals for my friend and parents offsite for the critical stuff. For everything else I have a separate rig in the garage setup with an 8 bay Media Sonic (it's an older version of this one). It's connected by ESATA and the whole system is powered on once a month. It is currently running on Ubuntu with ZFS raidz2. I also have a GSUITE account that things get backed up to.
My main server is running Windows 10 Pro using Drivepool and Snapraid (for parity) with 3 x 4bay MediaSonic Boxes. It also monitors health using Stablebit Scanner. I have it send a WOL command once a month to the backup server and backup the data once a month.
I am more comfortable in Windows so what I use. Linux is great, all but one of the storage servers at work use Ubuntu and ZFS so thats what I decided use on the backup server. I would probably have gone with Windows on backup server, but Linux and ZFS is free and I wanted to spend money on the HW not the software (even though it's only a few bucks). Plus it was a fun tinkering around with it.
That's where I ordered mine.
A word of warning: make sure you put healthy drives in them. When a drive throws some kind of SMART error due to a failing drive, it causes the entire unit to "reset". Replacing the failing drive fixes that problem. As long as the drives in the enclosure are healthy, it will run forever without bus resets. That's been my experience, anyway.
Let’s say, rather than a NAS or RAID system, I just use a hard drive bay (8x 8TB drives) connected directly to my iMac, like you suggested. Because thinking about it now, I don’t really need auto backups or anything fancy... I just want tons of storage easily accessible without swapping all my external drives all the time to find my files.
I found this MediaSonic one on Amazon Canada... currently on sale too! Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 ProBox 8 Bay 3.5" Hard Drive External Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0 & eSATA https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_T5fwAbQJ14WKK
What do you think? This should work for my storage/editing needs no?
Let’s say, rather than a NAS system, I just use a hard drive bay (8x 8TB drives) connected directly to my iMac? Thinking about it now, I don’t require automatic backups or anything fancy... I just want loads of storage easily accessible without swapping external drives all the time to hunt for my files.
I found this MediaSonic one linked below... currently on sale too! Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 ProBox 8 Bay 3.5" Hard Drive External Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0 & eSATA https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_T5fwAbQJ14WKK
What are your thoughts?
I have a couple of Mediasonic 8Bay eSATA enclosures that have worked out ok for me.
I've used regular cheap SI3132 esata port multiplier cards with them with no issues on linux, no idea about windows.
They sell a four bay version as well if this is bigger than what you need. Also, there are TWO versions, one includes a built in RAID config, and one is a JBOD, the model I used/linked is the JBOD.
External Box - Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 ProBox 8 Bay 3.5" Hard Drive External Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0 & eSATA - (Amazon)
It gives you another 48 TB for hoarding purposes on just one eSata!
Or grab a Lian Li PC-343B - PC-343B Cube HPTX case whilst they last!
Here is the enclosure:
Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 ProBox 8 Bay 3.5" Hard Drive External Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0 & eSATA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_GndYFbPD6AGSX
But you also need an esata card that supports port multiplier. I went with this one:
StarTech.com 2 Port PCI Express SATA 6 Gbps eSATA Controller Card - Dual Port PCIe SATA III Card - 2 Int/2 Ext - SATA III 6Gbps (PEXESAT322I) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00952N2DQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_fabc_6jdYFbGHHGBJJ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I use these (MediaSonic, $270~), they are fantastic (USB): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_puBhFbWJWXR95
If you want cheap, you are doing it the cheapest way (the NUC is a little Gucci for really cheap😂) but let me say this.
Only you can decide your level of comfort in terms of the risk of drive failure so setting that aside. You are probably better off saving money and making a more substantial upgrade based upon what you think you will need in the long term (what ever that means for you) rather than a stop gap measure right now.
When I decided to move away from multiple externals I wanted to do it "cheap." So I bought this Mediasonic 8bay Probox that doesn't appear to be available any longer. I think I paid like $230 on sale. It worked great and I still have it as I've got "extra" drives from swapping for larger drives in my NAS. So $200ish and happy customer, sounds great right!? Not entirely.
Like you I was running this as JBOD and didn't have a backup or protection from drive failure. I also have an significant amount of time invested in ripping everything on my server so technically if I needed to I could replace all of it by re-ripping everything and while I have less total units of media than you it is completely uncompressed and currently takes up 75.61TB. Bottom line I wanted some type of protection but also like you I couldn't justify a 1:1 backup. So I started looking for my next cheapest option which was not particularly "cheap" but still pretty thrifty. I ended up buying a used 12 bay enterprise grade rack NAS and since I am now doing a storage volume with 2 disc failure protection, I had to also immediately buy 2 more HDDs. So about $1,350 for the used NAS and 2x10TB hard drives at that time. I'm now one more HDD swap from a 10TB to a 14TB and will have essentially maxed out the practical capacity of this NAS at 108TB going from 56TB to 108TB in 2 years. I'm not sure what V4 of my server will look like.
I didn't actually end up using my first "cheap" option of the 8 bay enclosure for very long and could have just gotten another 10 or 14TB drive in the long run. All in all I don't regret it and still can find a use for it but if it would have been 3, or 4, or $500 I would have been less happy overall and wished I had just waited until I could buy a NAS.
Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 ProBox 8 Bay 3.5" Hard Drive External Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0 & eSATA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=cm_sw_r_u_apa_glt_fabc_V3JKD4QC4P3RPQR37G4G?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Why not the 3.0 version. 3.1 isn’t really needed for chia.
Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 ProBox 8 Bay 3.5" Hard Drive External Hard Drive Enclosure - USB 3.0 & eSATA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_EG8B68CMVGB3KPFZDTT4
Ive used the 4 bay version of this for years and it's been rock solid. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_C831FbAAWFJ86
Thanks but meh, it really isn't anything fancy...just a 4 post rack with a couple of 4U servers in it.
The Rosewill (and also the Chenbro) can fit any ATX or mATX motherboard. Basically anything you would put in a regular tower. Same with the power supply...it's designed to fit a standard ATX power supply. The motherboard and PS in there right now was previously in a regular tower PC sitting under my desk. I just ripped it out and installed it into the Rosewill.
The setup is extremely quiet in part because 1.) I replaced all the fans everywhere with low-noise Noctua fans, and 2.) I'm using 2.5" drives for most of my storage, which are quieter and consume less power. The reasons I chose a higher spindle count with lower capacity 2.5" drives instead of a lower number of higher capacity 3.5" drives is something I got into in this thread and also this one, which details my journey putting this whole thing together.
The bottom rack has a couple of UPS units for battery backup (which I will soon be replacing with one rack mount UPS unit) and a Mediasonic ProBox 8-bay external enclosure filled with 3TB spinning rust that I manage using mergerfs+snapraid. I use it for archives/backups of the main server and all the PC's in the house.
You can throw up to 8 drives in a USB enclosure like this one:
Or get a PC case with several hot-swap bays like this one:
I would recommend phasing out any hard drives you have that are 1TB or less.
Try one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-H82-SU3S2-ProBox-External-Enclosure/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=8+bay+enclosure&qid=1550079597&s=gateway&sr=8-3
These Media Sonic units are good. 8 bays, USB3 or eSata.
Define cheap? You could get an 8 Bay external enclosure for $270, or 2 4 Bays for $200 (2x$100)
It's not as ghetto as using a naked backplane, but it's probably a bit more than a naked backplane.
That MD1000 doesn't include any trays, which you probably want.
You'd better check on being able to source trays and their costs. Even if they are only $10ea, thats another $140.
If cost is your primary consideration, you might want to consider eSATA. It's not as good as SAS, but its functional and cheap.
For minimal cost, I'd get one of these: Mediasonic H82-SU3S2.
If you just want to access individual drives, USB3 will work, but if you want to put on some software raid, I'd recommend going eSATA (both are supported). For eSATA you need a controller that specifically supports port multipliers (running 8 drives off one eSATA cable).
Complete setup for ~$300 with 8bays supporting larger than 2TB drives. You're around $340 with the MD1000 assuming that drive trays are only $10ea. If the MD1000 is limited to 2TB drives, the Mediasonic eSATA box is a better value because it can hold larger than 2TB drives.
5 is a weird number. If you cheap, might as well as go with something like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GYDMYG
The controller it comes with is a standard Silicon Image SIL3132 2 port PCI-E eSATA controller. Nearly all "cheap but works" eSATA controllers are a SIL31XX chipset. I have several. They work fine in Linux, Windows and I think FreeBSD (would really surprise me if it didn't) because SIL chipsets are pretty much the low-end standard for devices like this. Doesn't matter what controller you research, it will likely have a SIL31XX chip on it. Startech/Addonics are SIL chips from what I recall. Even the Startech 4 port eSATA card is a SIL3134 chip.
I also have two of these Mediasonic External 8bay enclosures, but these have a SINGLE eSATA port on the back, so again, the controller must support port multiplier to see all eight drives. I like these better than the Rosewill as they also have fan control settings (low/med/high/auto) for the enclosure. Also, they only take one eSATA controller port per eight drives. They also support USB3, but I don't recommend raid arrays over usb at all. Stick with the eSATA function. I can't remember if these come with an eSATA controller or not, but if they do, its also a SIL3132 board.
I've been using these cheap SIL2132 controllers for a long time, they work fine. I've had them on 4 drive, 5 drive, and even single cable 8 drive boxes and drives do occasionally die, but they always die sooner or later. I don't think they died any more than the drives on my SAS box. Just buy a good quality eSATA cable, not a $3 one. The biggest flaw with eSATA imo is that the cables and ports have too much "play" in them and the cables can be bumped out of the ports or vibrated out pretty easily. I just insert and tape down with a little tape and good to go.
Side note: if you are thinking SAS->eSATA breakout cables for a superior controller, the SAS controller likely doesn't support port multiplier, so if you rig up some SAS->eSATA cabling, you will probably only see one drive. I tried that too.
I thought that in the grand scheme of things eSata was no faster than USB 3.0 an din some occasions like when multiple drives are in use like this that eSata would actually be slower than 3.0. I have actually done something similar to what he wants I use this: http://www.amazon.com/Mediasonic-H82-SU3S2-ProBox-External-Enclosure/dp/B005GYDMYG/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1461393323&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=probox+8+bay However I chose this due to price (but it has been a pretty good machine) however I am now ready to move up...rack time. BTW i think this one looks better: http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Hot-Swap-3-5-Inch-Enclosure-S358BU33ERM/dp/B00MN4CY1Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461393135&sr=1-1&keywords=8+bay
Since you have USB3 on your MacBook, you might look at two of these. Fill them with HDDs of your preference. According to a couple of the reviews, the drives should show up so that you can use Disk Utility to create whatever RAID type you wish.
It's too bad you aren't running a Windows system, as I'd suggest leaving them as individual drives and letting a piece of software called DrivePool handle making sense of having that many disks attached to a single system.
I use this one. I love it. Up to 6TB per drive in a nice neat space with esata or USB 3.0