{"product":{"product_id":"B0010SEOYE","title":"Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present","price":"7.99","image_url":"https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/419Yl4ougaL._SL500_.jpg","url":"https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010SEOYE"},"comments":[{"body":"IF you can read, you should invest in getting this book, “Medical Apartheid” by Harriet A. Washington. It will explain why your views are pseudoscience and how eugenics — which is what you are espousing whether you realize it or not — have hurt Black Americans for centuries.\r\n\r\nIn my opinion, everyone should read it. But, you need it the most.\r\n\r\nhttps://www.amazon.com/Medical-Apartheid-Experimentation-Americans-Colonial-ebook/dp/B0010SEOYE/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3KI11JRQASG8S\u0026amp;dchild=1\u0026amp;keywords=medical+apartheid\u0026amp;qid=1632824608\u0026amp;sprefix=Medical+ap%2Caps%2C209\u0026amp;sr=8-1","subreddit_name":"YTheLastMan","author":"Tiamat_fire_and_ice"},{"body":"Unfortunately a lot of Black Americans are not trustworthy of the medical industry,  especially when it's pushed by the same people in political power that would never do anything about anti black racial injustice.  These Black people that are uncomfortable with taking the vaccine have that right to feel that way.\r\n\r\n[Medical Apartheid ](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010SEOYE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_XWY7XVR5PSQ0VBG9ZTXD) where a lot of this come from and how it still play a role to this day.      \r\n      \r\nKey words: \"how it still play a role to this day\".        \r\n         \r\nGood idea to read and learn where people coming from before just insulting people and calling them stupid. Nobody against you and yout family getting vaccinated.  That would save your life and your family.  Do you.","subreddit_name":"washingtonwizards","author":"Knighthonor"},{"body":"I would never call a Black American \"Stupid\" because they may not be as trustworthy as others when it comes to the medical industry,  especially when its being pushed so heavily by the same people that wouldn't do a damn thing about police brutality against Black people.\r\n\r\nThats incredibly racist.      \r\n\r\n\r\n[Medical Apartheid ](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010SEOYE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_XWY7XVR5PSQ0VBG9ZTXD) where a lot of this come from and how it still play a role to this day.","subreddit_name":"washingtonwizards","author":"Knighthonor"},{"body":"well for a lot of Black Americans,  they have a right to be afraid of stuff pushed by the medical industry. Especially when the same people running around to Black people to help with covid wouldn't do a damn thing about any other racial injustice against Black People. Why trust somebody like that.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Medical Apartheid ](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010SEOYE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_XWY7XVR5PSQ0VBG9ZTXD) where a lot of this come from and how it still play a role to this day.","subreddit_name":"washingtonwizards","author":"Knighthonor"},{"body":"I would never call a Black American \"Stupid\" because they may not be as trustworthy as others when it comes to the medical industry,  especially when its being pushed so heavily by the same people that wouldn't do a damn thing about police brutality against Black people.\r\n\r\nThats incredibly racist.      \r\n\r\n\r\n[Medical Apartheid ](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010SEOYE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_XWY7XVR5PSQ0VBG9ZTXD) where a lot of this come from and how it still play a role to this day.","subreddit_name":"washingtonwizards","author":"Knighthonor"},{"body":"I would never call a Black American \"Stupid\" because they may not be as trustworthy as others when it comes to the medical industry,  especially when its being pushed so heavily by the same people that wouldn't do a damn thing about police brutality against Black people.\r\n\r\nThats incredibly racist.      \r\n\r\n\r\n[Medical Apartheid ](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010SEOYE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_XWY7XVR5PSQ0VBG9ZTXD) where a lot of this come from and how it still play a role to this day.","subreddit_name":"washingtonwizards","author":"Knighthonor"},{"body":"You are so right! [Don't even get me started on forced sterilization.](https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/forced-sterilization-policies-us-targeted-minorities-and-those-disabilities-and-lasted-21st) (here's another [source](https://theintercept.com/2020/09/17/forced-sterilization-ice-us-history/)). There is also a book called [Medical Apartheid](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0010SEOYE/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;btkr=1) that I hear is really in depth on all the ways black people are fucked by medicine in America.","subreddit_name":"Chiraqology","author":"kyndalfh92"},{"body":"I was referring to extreme liberal philosophy adopted by a subset of liberals (which I assume you are because you're defending this liberal argument whilst ironically violating it). I also think you should research what liberty and dignity entail.\r\n\r\n[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomy#International\\_human\\_rights\\_law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomy#International_human_rights_law)\r\n\r\n[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity#United\\_Nations\\_Universal\\_Declaration\\_of\\_Human\\_Rights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity#United_Nations_Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights)\r\n\r\n(I have bolded the necessary parts)\r\n\r\n\u0026gt;In June 1964, the [World Medical Association](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Medical_Association) issued the [*Declaration of Helsinki*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Helsinki). The Declaration says at article 11, \"It is the duty of physicians who participate in medical research to protect the life, health, **dignity**, [integrity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity), right to [**self-determination**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomy), [privacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy), and confidentiality of personal information of research subjects.\"[\\[42\\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity#cite_note-42)  \r\n\u0026gt;  \r\n\u0026gt;The [Council of Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe) invoked dignity in its effort to govern the progress of biology and medicine. On 4 April 1997, the Council, at Oviedo, approved the [*Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Dignity of the Human Being with regard to the Application of Biology and Medicine*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Human_Rights_and_Dignity_of_the_Human_Being_with_regard_to_the_Application_of_Biology_and_Medicine). The convention's preamble contains these statements, among others:  \r\n\u0026gt;  \r\n\u0026gt;Conscious of the accelerating developments in biology and medicine;Convinced of the need to **respect the human being both as an individual and as a member of the human species and recognising the importance of ensuring the dignity of the human being**;**Conscious that the misuse of biology and medicine may lead to acts endangering human dignity;Resolving to take such measures as are necessary to safeguard human dignity and the fundamental rights and freedoms of the individual with regard to the application of biology and medicine.**\r\n\r\n[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International\\_Covenant\\_on\\_Civil\\_and\\_Political\\_Rights#Rights\\_to\\_physical\\_integrity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Rights#Rights_to_physical_integrity)\r\n\r\nRight to physical Integrity:\r\n\r\n\u0026gt;**Article 7** prohibits [torture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture) and [cruel, inhuman or degrading punishment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment).[\\[25\\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Rights#cite_note-Art7-25) As with Article 6, it cannot be derogated from under any circumstances.[\\[18\\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Rights#cite_note-Art4.2-18) The article is now interpreted to impose similar obligations to those required by the [United Nations Convention Against Torture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_Against_Torture), including not just prohibition of torture, but active measures to prevent its use and a prohibition on [refoulement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refoulement).[\\[26\\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Rights#cite_note-26) **In response to** [**Nazi human experimentation**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation) **during WW2 this article explicitly includes a prohibition on medical and scientific experimentation without consent**.[\\[25\\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Civil_and_Political_Rights#cite_note-Art7-25)\r\n\r\nI never said anything about the Left. Don't strawman my argument. I'm talking about Philosophy, not politics. If someone has a moral belief that it is forbidden to put anything into their blood or to put things into their blood which fit certain criteria (which some can and do), you have no choice but to accept it. For example, if the vaccine contains or is alleged to contain certain animal DNA, some refuse them on religious/moral grounds. What are you going to do? Strap them to a chair and force it upon them? With that same justification (under the guise of certain people doing what they think benefits the collective), you can force sterilization on certain ethnic groups using Pseudo-Science (what the practitioners think is Science) to back up your claims that one group of people are more likely to get ill or carry certain genetic deficiencies or traits (ie. forced sterilization because one group of people are inferior). Hence this being a \"slippery slope\" that another user alluded to.\r\n\r\nAlso, vaccines get tested on animals which can lead to death. Some who militantly oppose animal testing might also refuse vaccines on those ethical grounds. To force the vaccine upon them, is the same justification used to force feed people on hunger strike; if the person exercising his freedom to consume or not consume food dies, it will negatively impact the prison guards or their organisation and they would argue it could also lead to their deaths. The US government uses this justification when force feeding prisoners in Guantanamo Bay. They say if the prisoners were to die, it would put the lives of US service-men and women at risk by fueling anti-US sentiment. Hence, they argue it is *right* for them to violate the human rights of prisoners. And their justification is the exact same as yours, only with a different context.\r\n\r\nTo force a vaccine on someone who feels it violates his/her religious views is a violation of \"freedom of religion\" and hence a violation of their human rights. I, by and large, have no qualms with Left wing politics and that has nothing to do with this issue. If anyone believes in forcing something upon someone that is in violation of their religious freedom, you do not believe in freedom of religion because you think you have a right to force something upon them that is in violation of their religion. This is a very basic issue I don't know why I'm spelling it out.\r\n\r\nGiven the history of the Europeans (including Israel, America and other colonies) with regards to [forced medical experimentation on dark skinned people](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Medical-Apartheid-Experimentation-Americans-Colonial-ebook/dp/B0010SEOYE) and eugenics, I'm not very comfortable when people use liberal arguments to start trying to justify forced medical treatments based on what is today accepted by the Scientific community. What makes you think fascism will not return to power again? Are you really comfortable with setting the standard that forcing something on someone is right if it is in the medical/scientific interest of the collective?\r\n\r\nAnd I hope now you understand why I chose the wording I did. It's hypocrisy.","subreddit_name":"news","author":"AnotherAlire"}]}