{"product":{"product_id":"0801039525","title":"Miracles: The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts","price":"60.82","image_url":"https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51Nwj-xTmjL._SL500_.jpg","url":"https://www.amazon.com/dp/0801039525"},"comments":[{"body":"I agree with you, we are instructed to go and preach, heal by miracle and cast out devils. \r\n\r\nAs a former atheist(I'm sorry for using this card) I'm sorry to see most Christians have so little faith, because most have only been exposed to miracles through con men and babbling heretics.\r\n\r\nNot only are people visibly healed, cured from stage 4 cancer overnight etc. But many of these things are recorded by doctors themselves and by people who have lots to lose from testifying. \r\n\r\nWe need to talk about this more.   \r\n\r\nI recommend Craig Keener's book on miracles :   \r\nhttps://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525","subreddit_name":"TrueChristian","author":"HistorianAggravating"},{"body":"\u0026gt;Is there any evidence for this outside the bible?\r\n\r\nNot really. There are numerous accounts of miracles outside the Bible, as those were common at the time. In fact, they're still common today. There are also a few extra-Biblical mentions of Jesus as a miracle worker, but not many. \r\n\r\nIf you're looking for a more comprehensive defense of miracles in general though, I'd point you to [Craig Keener's work](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1\u0026amp;keywords=keener+miracles\u0026amp;qid=1596563058\u0026amp;sr=8-1).","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"GiantManbat"},{"body":"I might not have the answer for everything, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that there's a possibility for you that what the Bible says is true - for me it definitely is. I've witnessed in firsthand supernatural ocorrences so it would be impossible to deny, for me, ever.\r\n\r\n\r\nI hope some day you manage to reconcile your skepticism with God's word. If you're interested in the subject i highly advice [this book](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525), where are countless testimonies, some with proof others without, about supernatural ocorrences in modern times.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"ProtectiveWasKaolai"},{"body":"\u0026gt; But sometimes outside of my control, God changed the weather in certain situations. And I know it was him.\r\n\r\nI recall reading a good amount of weather associated miracles in this book: [Miracles: The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525) (truly worth a read).\r\n\r\n\u0026gt;I am trying to make myself stronger though\r\n\r\nTrust God for that. It's certainly not easy to overcome our flaws, i get you","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"kerzh"},{"body":"You're not being rude, i get it. \r\n\r\nWhat you said makes sense and i understand that. But i was talking about the nature of God. Again, if He says He is who He is, then He cannot be explained/proved by science. It's just the way it is. Same conclusion can be said otherwise, just because we cannot fully understand His nature doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Though i reckon, it also doesn't prove he exists, sure. It will always take a leap of faith to believe (a leap i believe it's intended, as a way to prove our love/devotion/whatever you want to call it).\r\n\r\nNow, what you were talking about is something else, God's interaction with reality, or God manifestation in reality. I believe God does interact with our reality (not only God actually, but spirital beings), and that can be measured to an extent. I highly recommend the book [Miracles](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525). It's a very thorough book with a very scientific approach of miracles, i.e., God's interaction with reality.\r\n\r\nAs i explained to someone else in this post, i don't believe in the christian god just because i randomly pick. It comes from a study and interest in religions and reaching the conclusion that Jesus is the only God that provides a coherent way for salvation, in a way that represents both the justice and mercifulness of God, it is the only religion where you're saved by his grace, not by our works.\r\n\r\nAll in all, i understand you, i truly do. I've been there. What i was stating is the latter reply is that, if God turns out to exist (i do believe in that, you don't, it's fine), science will never provide a way to explain or define Him, because he doesn't exist in our reality. Just like beings that exist in a 2D world can't explain a 3D by science. It is far out of our reach.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"woebegone_"},{"body":"I believe that God still reveals himself to people nowadays. There are in fact many testimonies of it, not counting miracles. [Miracles](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525) is one book that completely changed me regarding that, one i strongly suggest.\r\n\r\nAlso, i firmly believe, as most christians do, that people from many \"religions\" or even people with no religions will be saved. To believe in a perfect God is to believe He can judge without flaw, even those whose character would make them possible to believe in Him, perhaps under different life circumstances.\r\n\r\nI'm not sure how much you studied of the bible, but the Old Testament portraits a world very different to ours, a world where Jesus didn't came and died for our sins. Obviously, i do not know everything, nor God's plans. But the old alliance, in the old testament, has God revealing himself and communicating through many different ways, though never truly showing himself.\r\n\r\nWe believe that God reveals himself nowadays (after Jesus) through the Holy Spirit, which didn't happen in the old testament/before Jesus. That's probably one of the reasons. I'm not much of an expert.\r\n\r\nRegarding your first sentence, the first thing that came to my mind is that saying that god is all powerful doesn't mean he can do anything. For example, God cannot make a square with 3 sides. I could also start rambling about free will and as his imposed presence would leave no room for belief/disbelief, but i'm guessing that wouldn't make much difference to you. ","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"woebegone_"},{"body":"\u0026gt; Well, I assume he was actually dead.\r\n\r\nYes, I agree that he was dead. Without this admission, Christianity doesn't exist.\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; Others have already looked into your caterpillar and shown it is not actually dead when in hibernation.\r\n\r\nHibernation is different from what is going on in this caterpillar. Hibernation is metabolic reduction, not cessation. In hibernation there is still respiration, heart beat, etc.  In the Pyrrharctia isabella all life functions cease, so I guess it matters what you mean by death.\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; So you still have yet to demonstrate resurrection is a physical possibility as far as I'm concerned.\r\n\r\nI'm sure you realize, though, that part of the punch of the claim of Jesus' resurrection is that he did something miraculous, not something perfectly natural. \r\n\r\n\u0026gt; is that I can say that miracles do not occur with at least as much certainty (and for many of the same reasons) that unicorns do not exist.\r\n\r\nAnd, of course, this I disagree with. No rational person is claiming to see unicorns, but rational people by the thousands or millions claim to see miracles. Craig Keener did scholarly investigative work, and his book \"Miracles\" (https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1508873027\u0026amp;sr=8-1\u0026amp;keywords=craig+keener+miracles) refutes your thesis. Miracles do occur, they can be observed and substantiated, and they happen today. There is simply no logical comparison with the unicorn fantasy.\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; I would say the burden of proof is on you to prove they exist. \r\n\r\nMiracles are often seen. I already mentioned Keener's book. You know about other claims (Miracles From Heaven). These are not in isolation, but part of a long chain of such substantiation. Your arguments don't carry your thesis against the weight of evidence.","subreddit_name":"DebateAChristian","author":"Shorts28"},{"body":"God gives us logic, and then occasionally circumvents the rules He established. \r\n\r\nIt's not blind acceptance of the irrational. It's accepting that God's miraculous intervention in our universe can circumvent known laws of nature. [This book](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525) outlines hundreds of scientifically supported examples of miraculous events occurring. This is not explained by science alone. Miracles do seem to occur on occasion *when situations are charged with religious significance*. The acceptance of a rational only universe (according to Newtonian mechanics) is in my opinion, lacking in evidence. It does not best explain the universe I see. I approach the evidence like a jury approaches the evidence in a murder trial - what is the likely event, *beyond reasonable doubt*, given the evidence we have available. When new evidence surfaces, we can revise our decision.  \r\n\r\nI consider this a rational approach, and it means accepting that God has circumvented the laws of logic. ","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"meanstoanend"},{"body":"Minimally, if the effect of prayrer is unverifiable, it would be wrong to say it universally fails (I don't know if you said that but someone did). Prayrer isn't deliberately unfalsifiable, I suppose the nature of prayrer and testing scientifically if prayrer 'works' is . . not really a matter of science, even though I can imagine certain kinds of scientific tests to observe if *certain prayrers* 'work', and even the term 'work' is difficult to use because of the nature of prayrer. So maybe it would be better to say a significantly better methodology would need to be employed. \r\n\r\nIf God didn't heal 100 out of 100 amputees, the most you could say based on that experiment is that God said no, 100 out of 100 times. . and then you are assuming there is a God in the first place, and God could have morally sufficient reasons for saying no 100 times.\r\n\r\nIn regards to the nature of answered prayrer, it is not true theologically speaking that all answered prayrer must happen supernaturally. So answered prayrer could come in the form of a friend meeting a need, and I **completely** grant that that makes the conversation in regards to science and prayrer even more confusing, which I think supports my point regarding the general untestability of the effects of prayrer in a certain sense.\r\n\r\nWe live amongst brilliant people so I think something could be done, but the experiments im aware of are either too simple or are based on a superficial understanding of prayrer. \r\n\r\nNot that you need to read it, but theirs an incredible book by Craig Keener called [Miracles](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525) that has significant crossover into the conversation we're having here, more in the region of things like exotic medical ailments being undone. Very well documented. Conclusions aside, it is good work. And its nice to hear what you have to say, too, so I appreciate your conversing :)\r\n\r\n","subreddit_name":"atheism","author":"kleptominotaur"},{"body":"For another modern scholarly input on this issue, from a more biblical studies perspective, I recommend Craig Keener's [Miracles: The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts](http://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-Testament-Accounts-Volume/dp/0801039525).","subreddit_name":"ReasonableFaith","author":"kevincook"},{"body":"I would encourage you to look at the recent work by Craig Keener, called [Miracles](http://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-Testament-Accounts-Volume/dp/0801039525), in which he attempts to document miracles around the world, while also providing a reasoned argument for continuing to consider them as a rational possibility.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"spaceman"},{"body":"In addition to other comments, here you go: \r\n\r\n[https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525)\r\n\r\nAnd you will note that anytime anyone brings up an example of a miracle, even if their doctor or nurse supported that interpretation, there's always an excuse about why it doesn't count. There's certainly observation bias on each side, but let's no one pretend the indefensible \"science proves miracles wrong\" group doesn't have it in spades.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"anonymous_teve"},{"body":"In all seriousness:\r\n\r\nYes. Craig Keener has a two-volume [work](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525/ref=sr_1_9?qid=1665612413\u0026amp;refinements=p_27%3ACraig+S.+Keener\u0026amp;s=books\u0026amp;sr=1-9) on miracles. He also has a cheaper [book](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Today-Supernatural-Modern-World/dp/1540963837/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3DNV202CYLEQC\u0026amp;keywords=miracles+today+craig+keener\u0026amp;qid=1665612496\u0026amp;qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjk1IiwicXNhIjoiMS42MiIsInFzcCI6IjEuNjQifQ%3D%3D\u0026amp;s=books\u0026amp;sprefix=miracle%2Cstripbooks%2C95\u0026amp;sr=1-1) for a lay audience on miracles, which includes cancer miracles.\r\n\r\nDr. Jacalyn Duffin is an atheist who is also a hematologist and medical historian. In this [interview](https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/meet-jacalyn-duffin-the-atheist-scientist-who-believes-in-miracles/) she discusses an unusual cancer case she saw:\r\n\r\n\u0026gt;Her passion for miracles began in 1987 after she was asked to review a series of blood marrow samples in a blind reading.  \r\n\u0026gt;  \r\n\u0026gt;“I thought I was reading them for a lawsuit,” she says. “I was worried about having to face an aggressive lawyer in court, so I was really very careful when I was reading all these bone marrows and I couldn’t figure out what was going on when I got to the end of all that work.  \r\n\u0026gt;  \r\n\u0026gt;“The story was very clear. The woman suffered acute myeloid leukaemia, a most aggressive type of the disease. She went into remission following treatment, relapsed, was treated and went into remission again. The final bone marrow was a remission marrow, but such was the diagnosis and the fact that I was reading these several years after the advent of the leukaemia, I assumed the patient was dead.”  \r\n\u0026gt;  \r\n\u0026gt;She later discovered her report had been sent not to lawyers but to the Vatican, as an independent expert testimony in the case of a second miracle presented in the cause for the canonisation of Marie-Marguerite d’Youville, the founder of the Order of Sisters of Charity of Montreal (known as the Grey Nuns).  \r\n\u0026gt;  \r\n\u0026gt;The former patient is still alive and well today, 40 years on – a fact Jacalyn has no answer for. And since the Church usually requires proof of a second miracle to elevate a person from the title of ‘Blessed’ to ‘Saint’, Marie-Marguerite d’Youville was declared the first Canadian-born saint in 1990 thanks to the Prof Duffin’s testimony.  \r\n\u0026gt;  \r\n\u0026gt;.......................  \r\n\u0026gt;  \r\n\u0026gt;The story that surprises me the most is the one I was involved with clinically as a haematologist. You sometimes can get a second remission but the rules, the canon or dogma of medicine tells us that remissions get shorter and shorter. This woman’s second remission has gone on for 40 years, and I can’t explain that. There are no cases like it in the world. There are a few cases like that where they’re still in the first remission, or they got a bone marrow transplant which completely changes the terrain, but at the time she became ill, bone marrow transplant was not readily available to everyone.\r\n\r\nShe has a [book](https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Miracles-Doctors-Saints-Healing/dp/019533650X) where she examines the Vatican's archive of supposed medical miracles. It's not a book about \"is this a miracle or not\", rather it is a book on what these records can tell us about  people in the past, especially people whose voice we normally don't get to hear (ex. illiterate people who's lives and testimony are described in the archives). One part I liked is when she pointed out that, contrary to the idea proposed by some that parents in the past weren't as attached to their children due to high infant mortality, these records show parents freaking out and praying desperately for their children when they are ill.\r\n\r\nHere is a news [article](https://www.kltv.com/story/8699200/power-of-prayer-kayla-knight/) (including MRI scan) about a girl whose brain tumor disappeared after prayer.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"lost-in-earth"},{"body":"If you want more concrete statistics on miracles in general, you may be interested in the work of Craig Keener:\r\n- https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525\r\n- https://www.amazon.com/Craig-S-Keener/dp/1540964299\r\n\r\nOr Lee Strobel's \"the case for Miracles:\"https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Lee-Strobel/dp/0310259185\r\n\r\nRegarding concrete statistics for \"words of knowledge\", this is a specific charismatic gift. It's easier to find statistics on charismatic gifts in general. See for example: https://www.barna.com/research/survey-describes-the-spiritual-gifts-that-christians-say-they-have/\r\n\r\nIn other religions they call them \"psychic abilities\", \"occult powers\", \"siddhis\", etc. Feel free to look up statistics on those if you want.","subreddit_name":"DebateReligion","author":"SpiritRealmResearch"},{"body":"Relevant sources:\r\n\r\n* Miracles: The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts, by Craig Keener ([https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Credibility-New-Testament-Accounts/dp/0801039525))\r\n* Miracles Today: The Supernatural Work of God in the Modern World, by Craig Keener ([https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Today-Supernatural-Modern-World-ebook/dp/B08MXZVXLW](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Today-Supernatural-Modern-World-ebook/dp/B08MXZVXLW))\r\n* The Case for Miracles: A Journalist Investigates Evidence for the Supernatural, by Lee Strobel ([https://www.amazon.com/Case-Miracles-Journalist-Investigates-Supernatural/dp/0310259185](https://www.amazon.com/Case-Miracles-Journalist-Investigates-Supernatural/dp/0310259185))\r\n* The Miracles: A Medical Doctor Says Yes to Miracles! by  Mh. D. H. Richard Casdorph([https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Medical-Doctor-Says-Yes/dp/B007RXEG58](https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-Medical-Doctor-Says-Yes/dp/B007RXEG58))\r\n* Why I Am Still Surprised by the Power of the Spirit: Discovering How God Speaks and Heals Today, by Jack Deere ([https://www.amazon.com/Why-Still-Surprised-Power-Spirit/dp/031010811X](https://www.amazon.com/Why-Still-Surprised-Power-Spirit/dp/031010811X))\r\n* The Grave Robber: How Jesus Can Make Your Impossible Possible, by Mark Batterson ([https://www.amazon.com/Grave-Robber-Jesus-Impossible-Possible/dp/0801015987](https://www.amazon.com/Grave-Robber-Jesus-Impossible-Possible/dp/0801015987))\r\n* Demonic Foes: My Twenty-Five Years as a Psychiatrist Investigating Possessions, Diabolic Attacks, and the Paranormal, by Richard Gallagher ([https://www.amazon.com/Demonic-Foes-Twenty-Five-Psychiatrist-Investigating/dp/0062876481/](https://www.amazon.com/Demonic-Foes-Twenty-Five-Psychiatrist-Investigating/dp/0062876481/))\r\n* They Shall Expel Demons: What You Need to Know about Demons - Your Invisible Enemies, by Derek Prince ([https://www.amazon.com/They-Shall-Expel-Demons-Invisible/dp/0800792602/](https://www.amazon.com/They-Shall-Expel-Demons-Invisible/dp/0800792602/))","subreddit_name":"AskAChristian","author":"SpiritRealmResearch"}]}