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Well, we have to keep the time frame in mind. 20-30 years ago, when this happened? Absolutely. I'd still be concerned about it now, yes, but in the 90s, no doubt at all.
Do you remember the story of Amy Fisher and Joey Buttafuoco from around the same time period? He was 35 and she was 16. And he wasn't viewed as a predator, he was viewed as a man who had had an affair after being sexually enticed by crazed sexpot. It was still so normal back then to ignore power balances like that.
It's not that Grammar wouldn't have experienced consequences--he definitely would. But the notoriety that she'd experience would attract enough people who would blame or mock her that her life would be a living hell.
And victims of rape/assault/sexual coercion still face an extremely uphill battle, legally and socially. I'll suggest the 2015 book Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town by Jon Krakauer as journalism that documents this in a meticulous and horrifying way.
<em>Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town</em>
Shows all the angles: College football and players getting off the hook because they're stars, perspective of suspects, perspective of victims and families, perspectives of law enforcement.
This is the first read to give to someone who wants to downplay the problem of sexual assault, rape, and the dark side of college athletics.
>Read some of the synopsis on Amazon:
>>The Department of Justice investigated 350 sexual assaults reported to the Missoula police between January 2008 and May 2012. Few of these assaults were properly handled by either the university or local authorities. In this, Missoula is also typical.
>>A DOJ report released in December of 2014 estimates 110,000 women between the ages of eighteen and twenty-four are raped each year. Krakauer’s devastating narrative of what happened in Missoula makes clear why rape is so prevalent on American campuses, and why rape victims are so reluctant to report assault.
>Yikes
If there are 20M college students and 110k are raped every year why do we keep hearing the 1 in 4 Stat?
> if we hold up the middle east as the gold standard for rape culture
Why would we do that though? What does that have to do with rape culture in America? Are you sure people weren't mad for derailing?
We have a rape culture that thinks a girl who might have consented to having sex with one dude while incredibly drunk also consented to his buddies running a train on her and is only going to the police because she is jealous. I don't mean MRA's I mean the people who are supposed to prosecute the crime. The police and D.A.'s and even as high as the County Attorney.
I mean this is just what I read in my local papers. One of the most famous non-fiction authors wrote a book on it.
You have the most recent experience and that is wildly encouraging. And I am excited about some Cosby jokes as our town was just the subject of a book by a best selling author about rape culture.
I'm curious, have you ever been in this sort of situation? I'm not talking about a stranger grabbing you on the street -- even though research shows that women freeze in those situations too -- I'm talking about when someone you know, or think you know, and trust, or think you trust, suddenly pins you down and turns into someone else.
Are you a girl? A woman? I'm not saying it doesn't happen to guys too, just that it usually happens in very different circumstances.
Earlier in this thread, I urged OP to read Missoula by Jon Krakauer, which examines a series of rape prosecutions in Missoula, Montana. I'd urge you to do the same. He explains, much more eloquently than I ever could, what studies show about how women respond to rape attempts. One of the cases he describes is very similar to what OP relates. You might find it interesting.
Well they did write a whole book about it: https://www.amazon.com/Missoula-Rape-Justice-System-College/dp/0385538731
https://www.amazon.com/Missoula-Rape-Justice-System-College/dp/0385538731
The book focuses on one specific place for the narrative, but provides plenty of evidence to demonstrate why Missoula is emblematic of rape culture. There's nothing about it in the description, but mentions of fraternities come up in the book.
Since you aren't likely to read a whole ass book on the subject, try this instead.
>Black people are incarcerated at a disproportionate rate to white people is that bc society doesn’t care about black people or bc there are flaws with our justice system?
Are you joking? It's because society fails to demand our police actually treat them fairly. As a society we made the justice system. Are you a middle schooler?
>Again you’re ignoring the fact that most women don’t report it when it occurs… part of the reason why only a fraction of rapist go to jail is the lack of evidence after waiting too long.
It's under reported because society fails to care or convict rapist. Why would you report a crime if people don't do anything about it?
>If you report it right after it happens they have rape kits that are used to gather evidence, if you wait the investigation usually comes down to here say. You don’t seem to understand the US justice system.
Here is some excellent literature you could wrinkle your brain with and possibly become an adult: https://www.amazon.com/Missoula-Rape-Justice-System-College/dp/0385538731
>Do you know what the census is or what it’s used for? Do you know how they gather that information? If you understand those things you can put together why they base race on how people identify themselves rather than taking dna tests for every person in America every 10 years. Again another child like idiotic take…
Yes, it's because creating a genetic base of people and placing them into specific racial groups is generally frowned upon because that's eugenics.
>It doesn’t matter if every race is socially constructed if it still includes being white lol. You’re trying to combine the concepts of race and white supremacy in ways that make absolutely no sense.
White supremacy was and continues to be the basis of forming social constructs like race to divide humans.
"proven guilty"? To the preponderance of facts or beyond a reasonable doubt? For example O.J. Simpson is innocent in a criminal court because they had to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to lock him up. Which is good.
But he owes the family all his money because they had the preponderance of evidence standard. Is it more likely that he did it then not. Which is fine because it is about money and not freedom. Like being kicked out of college.
https://www.amazon.com/Missoula-Rape-Justice-System-College/dp/0385538731
Bro, the federal government had to step in the rape culture was so bad at the local university. Students knew not to report to the sheriff. There is a whole fucking book written about it by award winning writer Jon Krakhauer. https://www.amazon.com/Missoula-Rape-Justice-System-College/dp/0385538731
Bro, I read the paper. This was a huge issue for years. Elections were lost over it. People were fired. Multiple lawsuits were filed.
Well, that's a step up from their most recent top google result.
The Montana Grizzlies vs. Jon Krakauer and The Missoulian.
It’s not believe all women, it’s believe 98% of women. Read this book if you’d like to learn more! https://www.amazon.com/Missoula-Rape-Justice-System-College/dp/0385538731/ref=nodl_
> with arguments like "it was technically only sexual battery!"
Yeah, nope. That was the plea. It means absolutely nothing as far as actual acts.
> MUCH better and more nuanced than the thread on the M:TG sub-reddit itself.
Ugh. Honestly I don't mind if he got a slap on the wrist as long as he learned his lesson.
But talking about how the UVA rape story was pure BS and rape culture didn't exist despite having raped a girl at that school is not cool.
And we here in Montana mostly welcome scrutiny. I stress mostly.
Nah, you should be fine as long as you delete your comment. It's good drama, I posted it before I saw your thread here and then deleted when I realized you'd already done the janitorial service.
I just finished reading Jon Krakauer's <em>Missoula</em> a few weeks ago, and so reddit threads about rape blow me away more than usual with all the Not Getting It In The Face Of Reality. It's like a different parallel universe here on the Planet Of Fragile Masculinity.
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