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Fair point, one I can agree with. As a disposable knife, $7 isn't a bad price. If you enjoy it, I really don't have much else to say about it.
Other than save up a little bit and buy a RAT1, then understand the general dislike towards gas station-quality knives.
I'm a big fan of the Ontario Knife Co. RAT-1, OP.
The build quality is pretty good, the blade is easy to maintain, and the handle is easy to grip, which is a gripe I have against the Cryo (I have one and love it) since my hands are wide.
In short. No.
In long form, no. Also I found out when I took my 2015 Select apart that Buck are now pinning these knives together under the scales, so you'll never be able to maintain it or lube it properly.
If you want a similar sized and priced knife with better ergonomics and a comparrible steel, then try the RAT Model 1.
That's crazy. Everywhere in Europe? I use my flip knife many times every single day because of the quick one hand operation. I love my little Victorinox pocket knife but it is too slow and tedious to dig out of my pocket and pry open with two hands for what I want to do.
Personally, I'd rather have a RAT folder from Ontario than a Skyline, and it's half the price.
I carry a Spyderco Endura 4 personally, and they only run about $55-65. I've been carrying it for close to a decade and I do not regret my decision at all. I do kind of want a flat ground version though....but it wouldn't retire my saber ground partially serrated, it would just supplement it.
Ontario RAT1 begs to differ, but they're entirely different sized knives. That's just a strong statement to make when the Leek's rarely $30 and definitely not up for the same stuff a RAT1 could take on with that brittle tip.
I recently picked up This Ontario 8848 RAT on Amazon for less than $25 and am very happy with it so far.
I'm not a big fan of the CRKT LAWKS system, so i will probably be in the market for another knife. I bought this to replace my Ontario 8848 RAT I really like this knife but it was a little too large for my EDC.
step up to this model:
Ontario Knife Company 8848 Rat I Folding Knife - EDC Knife (Black) [link]
Or for about $40 you can get a D2 model which has a little better steel
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Esee = awesome. Their Izula is well liked around here.
Some Ka-Bar knives are made in the US.
I second /u/Boomerkuwanga's (edit: and /u/lloganwebb's, and /u/Goldenbrownfish's) suggestion of the Ontario RAT 1 or 2.
To stay in budget and get you a multi tool, check out the Ozark Trail 12-in-1 multi tool from Walmart. Is it great? No. Is it good? Well... Does it do the job? Mostly. Then why get it? 'Cause it's 4 bucks.
Also, get pepper spray for defense. The amount of meat you have to carve in a defense scenario - to be untrained and successful in that sort of situation - is unsettling. Really, get some spray, maybe a personal alarm, and maybe a stun gun.
Hell, if you get all that crap (a RAT, a multitool, pepper spray, an alarm, and a stun gun), you are still in the ballpark of your top-end budget.
Also check out the Kimber pepper blaster.
But really, get a RAT. They're great. When you're ready to spend more money, get an HK Axis. Also great.
Also check out these brands (on Amazon & elsewhere):
Byrd (Spyderco's value brand)
Spyderco (especially the Persistence, Ambitious, Tenacious, and Resilience)
CRKT (check out their Squid model - small and well-liked)
Once you pick one, take some pics and let us know what you think about it!
Even cheaper option also on Amazon: [link]
Rat I on Amazon ($27.03):
Rat II on Amazon ($26.83):
Seems like with a knife this inexpensive it is a no-brainer to get it new. Just my two cents. Good luck with your search.
Dude, the Ontario Rat 1 is fantastic. I will never need another knife for the rest of my life. I had been considering it for life half a year before I finally got it because it was ~$70 at the time. I highly suggest you pick it up because it is $23 now. A damn steal.
I work in a machine shop so I'm constantly opening pallets and boxes of parts. It's pretty good steel too so it's a quick fix if a tool gets gummed up with melted plastic. My little Victorinox swiss army knife was not cutting it. I'd have to dig it out of my pocket (it's a very annoying feeling to have it in your pocket too) and use both hands to open it. I needed a knife I could open and close with one hand quickly with a pocket clip. It's such a satisfying click too.
[link] Might be a bit dirty from being used with a flint sparker last night.
It is big compared to Woody's little Kershaw, but feels so comfortable if you have big hands. They have the Rat 2 if you want a smaller version. The clip is also fantastic. It comes off the pocket really smooth and slides back on without any fiddling. I keep the knife in my pocket because the motion for opening it from there is most comfortable and quick for me, but I hardly even notice it, and I have my phone in the pocket as well. Unless you're not wearing pants or shorts with normal man-sized pockets, you might notice it.
If I were to find a con for it, the only thing I'd change is the star screws to take it apart. I clean it every six months or so to keep the action smooth and I have to borrow the right size bit from work. Not a huge problem because I could honestly stretch out the cleaning to every year, but not everyone will have a torx set available.
Honestly a lot of knives would be fine, but the best one in this price range is this
Your intended type, volume, and roughness of use, and your sharpening willingness and skills will play a role in what knife and steel you get, though the cheaper you go, you lose some options. Do you want a folding knife or would you consider a fixed blade? Do you know how long a blade you might like? I think about 3.5" is basically "full" size in folding knives, with 3.0" being medium and particularly EDC-friendly, while smaller than that gets into mini territory. Lots of options in all sizes, plus big bigger ones. Are you a drop point guy? A reverse tanto blade shape guy? Spear point? Clip point? And do you prefer a liner lock, frame lock, axis lock, other lock? Do you prefer to open via thumb stud, front flipper, rear flipper, assisted open? Do you want plastic, rubber, G10, CF, metal, or something else on the handle? Do you want clip options for left carry, right carry, tip up, or tip down? Do you care if it's heavier? Do you need ultralight? Average weight?
Just searching Amazon for Ganzo (or Sanrenmu) will give you a bevy of cheap options, many of which look suspiciously familiar.
If you've got an extra four bucks and change and would prefer something American made and smaller, you can get the knife community's go-to recommendation for a great deal on a reliable smallish-midsize workhorse, the Ontario Rat 2. Get a ruler and imagine what you'd think of a 7 inch knife with a 4 inch handle an a 3 inch blade. Watch some review videos to get a better idea of size. A nice bonus is four-way reversible pocket clip for your choice of left/right and tip-up/tip-down carry. This cheaper version is in AUS-8 steel, which is easier to sharpen but holds an edge less well than the more expensive and harder to sharpen D2 version, which gets up closer to $40.. And at that price you could bump up to the larger Rat 1 in D2 if you wanted to for a buck or two more, though we're trying to hit $20 here. That one's got a 3.625" blade for 8.625" overall.
Anyway if you can answer some of the questions in the first paragraph, it will help people narrow things down for you and give you better recommendations. What would your ideal knife have? Fill in the blanks on fixed/folding, blade length, blade shape, handle material, open type, lock type, pocket clip preferences, and anything else like color, weight, etc.
And check out /r/Ganzo_Knives and /r/BudgetBlades for additional ideas.
I personally love my Ontario RAT 1 $25usd Amazon right here
Ontario Knife ON8848-BRK Rat-1 [link]
I'm confused, isn't this the same thing? [link]
Ontario Rat and Buck Pocket Knife.
Are these what you're referring to - Ontario Rat and the Rat 2?
I would like a partially serrated blade but this looks great and have awesome reviews. Do you own on of the RATs and if so do they hold up pretty well?
Now I just need to find a good sharpening setup besides my 4 stone sets.
<strong>RAT - Ontario Knives</strong>
This really is a very good pocket knife!!
For what it's worth, my brother had the same needs as he works on a college campus and I got him an Ontario RAT 1. Another great traditional looking knife is the Buck 110BRS Lockback Folder, it's a classic style and has no tac-appeal to it at all.
Law not withstanding, Ontario Rat:
Not sheepsfoot though.
Shoutout to /r/knifeclub for this kind of thing. They have a sidebar with recommended knives at different price ranges. At this price point, the Ontario Rat and Rat 2 would be nice choices and very well liked knives. They have a thumb assist but you don't see a decent knife with a flipper assist in your price range.
I'm going to add to this my preference in gear; separate items that each serve their purpose great rather than combination items that detract from each other.
Ontario Rat folder
Opinel Folding Saw
Pico Bottle Opener
hm the rat 1 is $25 on amazon, are you sure you wouldnt want to sell me your rat 2 for the same price? :P
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For budget you can't beat the RAT-1
Amazon - $36
Sorry I hear this repeated all the time and don't think it's t true at all. You don't need "knife training" to stab someone. Unless you mean praticing one handed opening, which is pretty easy these days.
The only way a knife would be useless in self defense is if you try to use it to dissuade your attacker. Much like a gun, you shouldn't draw it if you don't intend to use it.
Anyway I carry a Ontario Rat. I can easily open it one handed with either hand. "flipper" knives are like a 100 times easier to open as well and there are tons of them that are cheap and would be effective to stab someone.
That said in a situation like this you have to gauge if deadly force is actually going to improve your chances of coming out unscathed. OP definitely could have gotten more hurt if the creep was suddenly in fight mode and panicked. I wish I had a solution for that. It's crazy that pepper spray is outlawed.