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For anyone not in the know, 200 organic Japanese, non-bleached cotton pads, $6.15 from Amazon.
Yes, 200 pads for 6 bucks. I've been using this exact brand for the last two months and the cotton is great.
Throwing my two cents in - Japanese cotton is significantly better than cheap cotton balls.
You can get several years of J cotton for $6 on Amazon:
I always get my kanthal from lightningvapes.com and my cotton directly from japan on amazon.
Nobody in canada is even close to this kind of prices.
Organic, unbleached cotton is the only hard requirement. In a pinch you can often find organic cotton balls at the store.
My recommendation would be this from Amazon though, it's cheap and works really great. I'm maybe halfway through a bag, and it's been 3-4 years.
Well I buy them on Amazon. $5 per 200. That's 2.5 cents per sheet. They are charging 200 cents per sheet. That's 80* the purchase price. Or 8000% markup. And here they are: ORGANIC Cotton Makeup Puff, Medium [link]
I really have to disagree here. The flavor effects from the cvs cotton can be pretty severe.
I WOULD recommend the cheap, EXTREMELY high quality and easy to work with LABO cotton from Amazon.
Cotton Labo ORGANIC Cotton Puff Size M (200pc) [link]
I've been building an average of 20 builds a week on this and am not through an 8th of the bags and it's less than $8.00.
It's as good as the KGD stuff, and absolutely a STEAL for the price!
Get puff organic cotton pads off of Amazon. They're the same price as the fasttech ones, but won't take 1+ weeks to get to you. The bag I bought has lasted over 2 years, and I'm only halfway through it.
Edit: If there is a Sally's near you, their Cellucotton rayon is really good too.
Labo Puffs from Amazon I bought this pack about a year ago and I've gone through half a pack. Great stuff-there's no "new cotton" taste and holds up well.
Earlier this year I picked up 2 200 count bags of Japanese organic cotton from Amazon for around $11. Have used maybe 2 inches out of the first bag. :-)
This is the stuff I got, though mine was in stock in the U.S. and this one comes from Japan.
Word! There’s definitely a bit of a learning curve with building RTA’s (at least there was for me), but they lead to a fantastic and more cost effective vaping experience in the long run. These cotton pads on amazon are awesome for rewicking and one package should last you a lifetime. My favorite coils for single coil builds are product # 9646622 on fasttech; they’re SS316 so you can use TC if that’s your jam, and they’re dead cheap, one package has 100 coils!
I’d love to hear how the Krylin treats you, I do love me a single coil RTA.
Puff Japanese organic cotton. Each pad is good for 3 or 4 wicks.
I'd recommend grabbing this. Should be a year or two's worth of cotton.
How often you rewick depends on your vaping habits, it can be anywhere between every couple of days and every couple of weeks. Coils can last a while if cleaned when rewicking. I normally end up wanting to try a new build before my coil actually has to be changed.
Price is almost double for the same item from the US site (xe.com says the price = $10 USD), but still a good deal for a quality product, works well, and has no break-in period or 'off' taste:
Also, if it matters, the famous Daniel from DJLSB uses this cotton as well, but rarely mentions it in his videos.
I like Daniel's vids too. :)
There's a huge pack of cotton pads for fairly cheap on amazon that I got, so far it's had no flavor break in and the flavor is good. If you want to check it out heres the link. ORGANIC Cotton Makeup Puff, Medium [link]
Then you honestly dont need an ohm reader you can use your device as one just buy some clapton wires if you want to build your self if not order some prebuild claptons and for the cotton buy this [link]
3.5mm or 4mm twisted 26 or 24 depending on my mood... though more often it's 3.5mm twisted 26 7 wrap which comes to 0.42. It's quite nice around 85-95w. Cotton I'm using right now is [link] which I pull apart in the middle (like a sandwich...to make thinner) and then pull apart length wise just before it will rip apart then roll it up. One thin piece seems to fit pretty snug in 3.5 and 4mm coils nicely (although may have to pull some off to get it to fit if you roll it a bit looser).
Cotton is expensive?
Here you go. A shit ton of organic, unbleached Japanese cotton pads, straight from Japan, and only $5. This is what I use. Even if you rewick every 2-3 days this will still last you like 2 years.
Just buy some off Amazon. This right here is probably a huge portion of the market. The same stuff you find in vape shops. And there really is not anything special about those brands with their fancy pants cotton. Given some are better than others but it's all just marketing and repackaging and rebranding. But here this is $5 on Amazon for a huge bag. Organic Japanese cotton. You're welcome.
18650 Battery, you can choose between LG H2 2500mAh 25A 3.7V or Samsung INR18650-25R 2500mAh 25A 3.7V, these have been regarded as safe)
Premade coils or wire, eg. Kanthal A1 AWG 26 / other wire depending if you want to use TC mode. You may need a coiling tool or just learn to do them manually.
That should cover it.
Hit up Amazon.. Way cheap for way more than ecig vendors will offer... Example but not the end-all-be-all: [link]
They're fine. Give them a try and if they work for you, great. There's also these pads sold on Amazon. I personally think the pads are easier to work with. They don't tear apart as easily as unrolled cotton balls.
Hit up googles. There are a ton of build/wicking tutorials. I use 26 AWG kanthal ~9 wraps for~1.2ohms. I wick with labo cotton pads. You can buy enough cotton and kanthal to last you years for $20.
Wicking is easy. Plenty of youtube videos available to show you how. Also organic cotton is cheap and easy to find. The best stuff is the Japanese cotton that comes in little squares. A bag of that will last a decade.
I suggest this cotton, MUCH cheaper than cotton marketed towards vapers, its just as good as the expensive stuff as i've been told.
Oh and somehow when I ordered it a few months back it got from Japan to Quebec in a week, probably just a fluke though, as some people are complaining about shipping times in the reviews.
Hey, thanks for helping out. I've been vaping for a week now and had researched a lot. I came to a conclusion of joining the dope dripping community. I'm planning on getting the IPV 4s and a Velocity RDA Clone with the majestic Trinity Copa drip tip and for budget i'm getting the coil master v2 and a kanthal A1 30ft from beyond vape and japanese cotton from amazon ([link])
and The most important a pack of 3 of Sony VTC5 2500Mah 20amp high drain. #SpotlightRainbowNuggets #Vapetrickstraining
If you feel the need to buy cotton you can also get this, but it's not nearly as good:
If you are from montreal you have Vaptronic on Joliette (not far from the metro station) that has the tobeco clones :)
If you are not from around here, talk to them I am sure they figure out a way to send it to you.
Also, if you need wire, they sell Lightning vapes wire at very affordable prices :D as for cotton, they cotton bacon and also some regular cotton pads. If you can wait, I highly suggest you to get this from amazon.
Geez, $111?! I think I paid $21 for mine on ebay but it does seem to have gone up in price.
I like Muji's cut cotton for lotion masks, but right now I'm using these random ones I got from amazon: [link]
I wouldn't worry too much about peeling off 5 layers. Depending on how much wetness I'm willing to put up with, I'll either just use the whole square or tear it in half.
Typically yes. Even before the scottish roll came around I didn't have a cotton taste last more than a few puffs. This is the cotton I use.
I'm definitely with everyone else on this. Hit up canadian tire or other local hardware shop, pickup a set of precision screwdrivers, a couple tweezers, some small pliers, flush wire cutters, scissors and then somewhere for some organic cotton. If you have an extra 8 bucks I'd suggest ordering this cotton from amazon also, just ordered my second bag, its been excellent for me. [link]
Are you talking stuff like this?: [link]
I'm looking for cheap cotton and kanthal wire (can you help with that? inside EU), because I don't want to pay a shit ton for the brand alone.
This is what I use. $5.92, free shipping. I use anywhere from half to 1/4 pad for a dual coil, so it lasts a long time.
What juice are you using? Since I've gone to clearer and less sweetened juices, my cotton lasts a lot longer. I actually notice its wicking ability decreases before the flavor goes bad.
For wire either use temco or lightning vapes. They offer both Kanthal and nichrome as well as nickel for TC. As for cotton I go to Amazon and use the squares. [link] gets you 200 squares for 6 bucks.
To get the 5dollar bag deal you have to purchase 2 bags for 10 .... split with a vape buddy
This is what you want. Although maybe from a different place, because that shipping is ridiculous.
Here's the cotton I purchased. I was on mobile last night so couldn't link. I've had no issues with mine.
VV/VW mods like the Sig150 are nice because they work really well for both tanks and drippers and you can change your voltage for different builds and find what suits your taste exactly. For about $90 you can also pick up the Sig150TC if temp control is something you'd like to try. Mech mods are good but I wouldn't recommend starting your drip adventure with one until you're comfortable building.
You'll also need an external battery charger and a cheap ohm meter (Nitecore i4 is a great option). You cannot safely charge 2 batteries inside a mod.
The Tobeco Velocity or Wotofo Sapor are two awesome, cheap and easy building attys.
Watch a few build videos to get an idea or PM me and let me know what you decide on and I can give you some pointers. You'll also need wire (Kanthal A1 (for reg) or SS 317L (for TC) is easiest to start with) 24 or 26AWG is ideal. And some cotton (lifetime supply: [link])
Check out the "Scottish Roll" wicking video by cheesebanana, it's my favourite wick to date and I wish I learned it sooner.
Hope this all helps! If I forgot anything or you need more help let me know!
What is the best wicking cotton? From Amazon preferably.
I currently am going to get these, anyone want to let me know what your opinion and what you might get instead?
For that particular RDA, I would go with 24-26 guage. There are a dime a dozen places to get wire. I recommend this bag of cotton because it is rediculously cheap and in my experience performs how J-Cotton should. [link]
This is asked a lot. Research is your friend. But to be nice.
These are my personal recommendations:
RDA Aeolus or Twisted Messes
order kanthal from Temco direct or amazon
24, 26 gauge are good to start with
This cotton works well too.
edit: you will also need an ohm meter to measure resistance and ensure you stay withing your device/battery safe range.
If you like you can just paypal me $5, and I'll ship you 3 pieces of Koh Gen Do.
Or you could just buy enough to last you a year for $6.39 on Amazon
If you're buying cotton on Amazon, these are the ones I get, [link]
They work great, inexpensive, only quirk is, many of the vendors ship from Japan, so I look through the seller options for an amazon fulfilled one, sometimes it's an add-on item. I'm willing to spend a little bit more for faster shipping, but if you have time, the direct from Japan sellers are the cheapest usually.
FYI, this is the cotton in that tutorial. You get 8 times as much as your link, for about 2/3 the price.
I bought one about six months ago and it still looks mostly untouched. Possibly a lifetime supply for less than $6.
Most of the(resistance) wire we use for coils is made by Temco. Amazon.com has fairly decent prices for Kanthal in 100' rolls. Also, all the cotton you could ever use for $6 shipped [link]
Your setup is great. for cotton I've been using this for 6 months and barely scratched the surface: [link]
any NI200 wire will work in your setup. Dont feel the need to pay extra for a vape related name. Most all nickel and Kanthal is made by Tempco.
I ordered these from Amazon this week, 200 pads of Labo organic Japanese cotton for £4.08. Shipped next day but comes from Japan so will see how long it takes. Looks like good cotton, from the reviews. Crazy cheap.
Also while the UD cotton is good, as with all vaping marketed stuff it's over priced for what it is (imo)
I'd recommend ordering some of this for a much better bang for your buck
This will last you a few years easy. [link]
I got mine back in April, and I've only gone through about a dozen pads so far. The flavor I get with it is wonderful, just make sure you fluff it out a bit before adding it to your coil.
Here is a great deal on japanese cotton. It will last you a long time and it's high quality.
To add to my kanthal, I also use this Japanese cotton:
(200) pieces, $7.69 or call it $0.04 sheet, rounding up.
I usually get ~(10) wicks out of a sheet, or under half a cent per wick.
My coils are usually dual, 5" per run (works out to ~0.7 ohms) for 10" total or (120) dual coil setups per 100' run, or under $0.04/per.
So I can do a complete teardown and rebuild for less than a nickel.
I've heard that they are treated with hydrogen peroxide, but don't quote me on that. If it's something you are concerned with, by all means go ahead and boil. I, personally, bought organic when I first started rebuilding a while back and I never saw a need to boil :)
I use the Cotton Labo pads that split perfectly in half. But mostly you just want to thin your pad out a little so you can cut a wider strip. The exact thickness isn't super important, just make sure it's tight in the coil, but not too tight.
How about 200 sheets for $8, this is what I use and it works great. I rewick all the time because why not when it is this cheap. [link]
I came here to post this.. so much easier than breaking out the drill lol. And I never get dry hits any more doing it this way.
The reason I used pads in the tutorial he posted was so you can get a flatter wick which makes it easier to trim the ends. The idea is you want to thin out the cotton at the tips of the wick so it doesn't clog things up. You can do the same thing more or less with cotton balls, it just takes a little more tweaking. I use these and they've always worked great. Before when I used cotton balls they never tasted right and were a little harder to work with. Also with the pads it's easier to keep track of how much cotton you are using each time because you can see how wide the strip is.. so once you find the sweet spot it's easier to replicate it next time around.
In the mean time, if you close off your airflow a bit that creates more of a vacuum inside and sucks more juice into the wick. Also you can close it off completely (slide the ring between the two smallest holes, and you can close it), then take a couple of priming puffs (without firing) to pull some juice into the wick.
Do you ''prime'' the cotton after you wick? Just juicing it up all over making sure to get every spot makes a difference imo, moreso with tanks but meh. Also if your wick is too tight in the coil it'll cause it to burn easily.
Also, are you using the square cotton? Making sure the fibres are running straight through the coil will cause it to wick much better. If you are using balled up cotton, it doesn't make a huge difference because the fibres are jumbled up, but I found a huge difference in flavour and wicking when I used square organic japanese cotton. Its cheap as fuck too for a huge amount.
Making sure you have your airflow over the coil and open sufficiently will also stop dry hits, might just be that your coil is getting too hot.
How many hits do you get before it's dry? I use dual coils @ ~80-100 watts and it gets dry in legit 3-4 hits, and I need to have everything wide open to keep it cool enough.
Shouldn't really matter as long as it's organic japanese cotton. I went with this and have had no issues.
I'm not one to really skimp. If I decide i'm getting a DNA40, i'm gonna get one of the hot models ;P I haven't looked at the Hcigar yet but you bet I will. I usually aim for around the 3/4 mark on price vs performance in stuff like this.
hah yeah... I bought too much kanthal it seems. I was unaware of stuff like this when I bought it, but I only have like 5 meters of it. I got through 0.8m so far. Still though, I don't really care truth be told, $5 is all it cost. I saved money on not buying the $16.99/5 inferior replacements.
I just ordered some japanese cotton, so once that arrives i'll be set no matter the circumstance. There's some off brand cotton that seems perfect and it's only like $8 from amazon... but it comes directly from japan so it could take like a month to arrive... still though, I think there's more product, and cheaper than the $23 or so I have to pay in Canada for less. Better than cotton balls, and probably the same as the Koh Gen Doh tbh.
Been using these for a few months now. They work great and I haven't even made a dent in the pack yet.
It's not scented. But I like these unbleached ones way better.
It's far thicker than Shiseido so I don't have to roll it. I feel that it wicks faster too.
where do you guys get your cotton?
i was going to get mine on amazon
is this sketchy at all or good stuff?
Basically just involves sliding some cotton through the center of the coil so that it's snug, but not tight. Just make sure the cotton organic and bleach free (you can get organic cotton balls at Walgreens or Japanese organic cotton on Amazon for a good price). Lots of tutorials online for it if you're iffy on your wicking.
I use this Cotton Labo stuff, but I don't think there is much difference between the brands. Link: [link]
I use Japanese cotton because it is easier to cut and wick compared to cotton balls or the rope of rayon. Some people say it wicks better or tastes better but I haven't noticed much of a difference there.
Yep. It may taste a little funny the first few hits, but Hydrogen Peroxide wont hurt you. If you want some completely chemical free stuff you can get japanese cotton really cheap on amazon
Illumn.com has the chargers for cheaper.
I'd go with the Lemo, the Sigelei 150 Watt, the 2x 25r's.
You don't really need the ohm reader, since you already have one built in on the sigelei. But if you do want one, they have the eleaf ohm readers available for about 9$ on ebay.
I would get 26 Gauge, directly from Lightning Vapes, with coupon code LV15 for 15% off.
I would really recommend japanese cotton, you could get yourself some Koh Gen Doh, but here is some very cheap cotton: [
Like I said, I already have a giant bag of cotton so I don't need any more quite yet. I just wanted to bring it up before someone who really needed more cotton got an unpleasant surprise. I'll definitely be checking out your store if I need something (I only have 1 dripper; I really should get a second). I'll be sure to email you before I place an order. Thanks again for the quick shipping, and for trying to fix this issue (which really isn't an issue, just lacking a better term).
Chances are if you had Japanese cotton it was organic. But this is what I order. takes awhile to ship in but it's extremely cheap and good quality organic cotton.
Yeah man, I was one of those people who thought the whole japanese cotton thing was complete bullshit. I held out for the longest time and was the first to laugh at my friends for drinking the cool-aide. But then I tried some. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
But with that said, I buy the $8 Cotton Labo stuff from Amazon.
I use Japanese cotton. I'm not the best at wicking, but I find it easier to work with than cotton balls or rayon, but not that great. Be careful with price, Japanese cotton especially has jumped in price and a lot of B&Ms will rip you off. If you're paying more than $10 for a crap ton of cotton (crap ton meaning more than 100 pads, close to a lifetime if you use it only for wicking), you're paying too much.
This is what I'm using currently. Amazon link: [link]
I'm using this cotton, which seems to be very well liked. Unfortunately I don't have any straight VG hanging around, but I can say that when I re-wick and use solely the 'nana cream there is definitely no hint of chalkiness. Thanks for the suggestions nevertheless, though!
Honestly, the bacon is just rolled out cotton balls. Go to Amazon and search Japanese cotton. Grab a bag of that. YouTube videos can show you how to do it. I would link you to everything but I'm on mobile dropping a Duke.
Or you can buy 200 pads for $8, who the fuck is going to pay over 3x the price of Japanese Organic cotton? All you're doing is buying Japanese Cotton for $8 and dividing it up and selling them for triple the worth using plastic ziplock bags.
Nice try though.
Any one who was late to this post just use what I use. You will have so much for so little.
When you put fresh wick in your coils, hit your button and vape off some of the juice and re-wet the wicks before you start hitting it. This will alleviate some of the break in time you get with cotton balls.
I use Japanese cotton and it is great. None of that wet t-shirt taste on a fresh wick. You can get years worth of it for $8 on Amazon.
Probably 24g Kanthal A-1 for the Plumeveil, 26g for the Lemo.
For making coils you can use a coil jig, but I find alen wrenches work fine. You can put one in the chuck of a drill and just use that to speed wrap coils if you want. I like to use a magnifying glass to building too, that usually helps get coils perfect.
Pretty much everything has already been said, I love this stuff though. I'm using the Labo organic Japanese cotton (as it was cheaper) and it's working great. I don't think I'll ever be going back to regular ole organic cotton. And the pads are extremely easy to work with.
Here's a link to where I bought mine, in case anyone is interested: [link]
I use this one from Amazon. It's pretty awesome:
Since the Kangertech SUBOX Mini Starter Kit was mentioned. I have this handy little (ok, it's quite lengthy and detailed to be of as much help possible) macro all prepared.
We all know the SUBOX Mini Kit is widely recommended for beginner and even some intermediate vapors.
It also gets great reviews. I am in no way, shape, or form affiliated with any of these companies.
Unfortunately, you have to purchase for multiple sites to get the best deals.
There is no TL;DR for this. I apologize, but I don't want you to be upset if you're a newcomer to the
wonderful world of vaping.
Below is my "SUBOX Macro" on where to buy your SUBOX for the cheapest price I have yet to find,
shipped out of the US, from an authentic seller. This post also contains where to buy batteries and a
charger from. You NEED good batteries for vaping in general, so the batteries and charger can be
used with pretty much any other mod you will get.
DO NOT BUY THIS UNTIL YOU ASK MORE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE SOME. WE ALL DON'T HAVE MONEY TO FUCK UP WITH AND ORDER THE WRONG THING OR BE UNEDUCATED ABOUT IT.
Kangertech SUBOX Mini Starter Kit.
www.vistavapors.com with code 'vv3' and it should come to $50.99 with free shipping. I believe they are also throwing in a free 10mL of 0nic juice. Mine came with 10mL of 0nic Altostratus from them.
You will enter the discount code in "Step 5: Order Confirmation."
You may also need to buy replacement coils for the SUBOX Mini since it only comes with a single 0.5 ohm coil and a 1.5 ohm coil.
The SUBOX Mini also comes with an RBA Deck, so you can build your own coils, which is MUCH CHEAPER in the long run. The flavor and vapor production seems to be much better as well. This RBA will come with 2 premade coils that will come out to be around 0.5-0.6 ohms. It will also come with enough cotton to re-wick 6ish times. This will be covered later on in this.
My personal advice from experience, pick up a 5 pack of the coils (you will most likely be sub-ohming, so pick up an extra 5 pack of the 0.5 ohm OCC coils). Why? Well, I accidentally burnt my cotton right before leaving the house one day. I did not have enough time to rebuild so I just tossed in an OCC coil.
With the OCC Coils from vistavapors added to your cart, your total should come to $63.73 with free shipping. Note: These are the Horizontal OCC coils from my
experience, not the newer Vertical Coils that the SUBOX Mini Kit will come with. It's not that big of a deal IMO.
Now, this mod will NOT come with a battery, so you will need to buy one of those. However, the best (most recommended) batteries and charger cannot be found on this site. These are in the next break.
Bonus: on www.vistavapors.com , you will earn some bonus points for your purchase! Ever $1.00 spent (before coupon code it seems) is 100 points. Every 5,000 points you earn will get you $5.00 worth of credit on the site. These can be redeemed through the link on the lower lefthand corner saying "Rewards Program" in a black box.
(Technically speaking, you should just be able to buy the SUBOX first with the coupon code, then redeem your $5.00 credit along with the coupon code vv3 on a set of coils and save another $1.51. I'm not too sure if that will work out correctly so this is why I'm not directly advising that.)
Total for SUBOX Mini Kit: $50.99 with free shipping & I think 10mL of 0nic random juice.
Total for the SUBOX Mini Kit + 5 pack of OCC Coils: $63.73
A little tip: Start off at a low wattage and slowly work your way up. That way you don't burn your cotton. Once the cotton is burnt and you get a dreaded dry hit, that coil or cotton are garbage. You can't get the burnt flavor out of the cotton. This may ruin the juice in your tank as well.
Tip 2: See those little holes on the side of the OCC Coil or the RBA? DO NOT let your juice get below them. This will almost certainly cause a dry hit. Do your best to keep the juice level above those holes at all times.
Trusted/Recommended Batteries and Charger from legitimate sellers. Do not ignore this and say "I'll just look on Amazon/eBay." because you may end up with fake products. Inferior batteries can go BOOM! in your hand/mod. A bad charger can do the same thing in your house.
The battery is definitely needed since the SUBOX Mini Kit does not come with it's own battery or built in battery. You will want more than 1 battery since it's always good to have a spare fully charged one.
The charger is highly recommended. Even though the SUBOX Mini can charge the battery in the mod itself and has pass-through charging (you can vape as it charges), it's not recommended by most here. Plus, you'll probably buy more mods anyway and will need a charger.
2 Samsung 25r Flat Top Batteries + Nitecore Charger Two sites and options in case one is sold out.
www.lightningvapes.com with code 'ohmsweetohm'. ohmsweetohm is 17% off and provides free shipping. The Samsung 25r batteries are $7.50 each, and you want the Flat Top batteries. Choose what you want for the charger, as long as it's a Nitecore. My advice is to get one with 4 bays because you never know how many batteries/mods you'll eventually own, and it's only ~$5 difference in price. (This site will also be reference below in the RBA section for Kanthal).
The cart I built with 2 Samsung 25r Flat Top batteries and a Nitecore i4 charger (which I cannot take a screenshot of since they are out of stock for batteries currently) will come out to be $32.44.
www.illumn.com has no discount code that I know of. Batteries here are only $5 each for the Samsung 25r Flat Top batteries, and they have a few different Nitecore Chargers to pick from. You will want to pick the i2, i4, D2, or D4.
The difference between the i# and D# Nitecore chargers is that the D# chargers will provide battery percents and other information, while the i# chargers just have bars showing how far the battery is charged. They have the same safety features.
The cart I built on here with 2 Samsung 25r Flat Top batteries, and a Nitecore i4 (2014 Edition) charger comes out to be $35.70. The shipping on this site is damn expensive and varies depending on where you live.
Yes, there are a few other reputable batteries, such as the Sony VTC3 VTC4 and VTC5, and LG HE2, but the Samsung 25r are the more widely recommended.
Now, you will notice LightningVapes has Green Samsung 25r batteries and Illumn has Blue. The Green are from a newer production than the Blue. They should be the same exact battery. Some say the Green will take more charges or work better at a lower charge percentage. I can't find anything to back that up.
Kanthal and Cotton for the RBA Deck that is included with the SUBOX Mini Kit This will save you a lot of money in the long run.
Now, this section is a bit more "hands on" and a little more advanced and will require some knowledge of "Ohms law" and proper battery safety.
Here are two links that will help you out building coils. www.steam-engine.org/ohm.asp which will help
you understand some of Ohms Law and [link] which will help you build coils. The SUBOX itself can fire from 7.0 watts up to 50.0 watts as we know. From what I've been reading, the Subtank Mini is recommended to be operated under 35 watts. Since you don't have an Ohm
Reader yet, DO NOT build anything under 0.2 ohms for safety's sake. Your KBOX Mini (the mod in the kit) will not fire anything below 0.3ohm for safety, it will blink "Check Atomizer" if you do that.
The Samsung 25r should NOT be operated over 20 amps. DO NOT DO THAT! You don't want to have a battery vent or potentially explode. I want this to be made clear.
Since we are just starting off, it is recommended to go with 26 Gauge Kanthal. www.lightningvapes.com will have this pretty cheap, so with ohmsweetohm as the discount code, you can get something like 100 feet for under $5. That's going to last you a very long time since each coil only needs 6-8 inches.
Lightningvapes however only carries Cotton Bacon, which some feel is not the best.
Rip Trippers has a pretty good video here on how to build for this.
Cotton, damn that's a rough one, there's so many sites that carry it and prices fluctuate on this.
There are also many different brands recommended. We're just going to keep it simple and go to Amazon and get this one. Puff You may want to find one that ships from the US. This is just an example.
With our RBA deck, and rebuilding coils, let's just stick with the 5 wraps around the Blue Screwdriver for a ~0.5 ohm build since you're still learning here.
If you want to get more advanced, build some fancy twisted coils, clapton coils, etc. , go for really low ohms (in the future, not right now since the SUBOX Mini Kit won't work under 0.3 ohms), etc. There is this kit from Amazon if you have Prime If not, Here is a better one on ElementVape for $6 more.
It's recommended you get one of those anyway, since it will make life easier and more importantly, safer.
Now, you may be saying "that's a lot of money for rebuilding, I'll just stick to buying the premade OCC Coils". However, this is all an upfront initial investment that will definitely pay off and save you tons of money in the long run. $12-15 for 5 coils (and it's possible 1-2 may not work), or ~$50 for probably 100 coils when you make them yourself. It's fun too!
There are also many different brands recommended. We're just going to keep it simple and go to Amazon and get this one. Puff
I went from the eVod 2 to the SUBOX.
Total for SUBOX Mini Kit: $50.99 with free shipping & I think 10mL of 0nic random juice.
[link] - [link] - [link]
In that order because you never want to cut corners on nicotine ever. Everybody talks about the pepper taste but I've never had that because I went through those three. Nudenicotine actually will give you a free 15ml sample with $2 shpping.
With PG/VG they are 99% all the same so don't get trapped into any gimmicks or anything. Just get the Essential Depot's PG/VG from Amazon which is around $10 for a quart.
While you're there you might as well pick up some cotton which like PG/VG don't fall into all the BS because it's all pretty much the same. Get: [link]
If you don't have Prime and need something to get the free shipping you might as well pick up the scale now: [link] -- Those 4 are what the majority of us use by a mile. Just pick up some pipettes and bottles and you are actually pretty much 100% set for DIY, it's that easy. By the time an average person rolls their coil and wicks their tank I could bust out a gallon or 3 of e-juice.
[link] - [link] - [link] - You're all set now.
I've been DIY for a year now and still have 1/4th of the VG and 3/4th of the PG left doing around a 65/35 VG/PG mix. The cotton is a different story however, that bag honestly will last about 7 years which is conservative and 10+ wouldn't shock me. It was probably my best purchace ever and it's so nice to never have to worry about cotton again so I can focus that energy on buying way way too many vaping hardware and supplies. My pantry is pretty much dedicated to vaping and I have to admit that I'm an addict.
It's a fun hobby coming from a background where I was building 386's as a kid so it's up my alley and it saved my life. I don't care care about the death part but more of my lungs hurting when I wake up, had no energy and killed any cardio to the point of running up stairs was an issue. The worst is the smell though, especially if you haven't been around it for a while. I let somebody smoke two in my apartment a few weeks ago in the open and not out the window. My F'N GOD, for the next 3 days I was spaying so much shit, washing every damn thing that was washable, to even scrubbing my walls because I couldn't even sleep waking up in the middle of the night with that distinct sweet horrible smell that lingers like crazy.
How they are legal compared to other things that actually will improve your health to the point where it will actually shrink cancer tumors in THC/CBD. Dextromethorphan and Ketamine which is the only thing known that helps with my rare intolerable disease. Tryptamine drugs like DMT that would instantly reshape how society thinks and acts being the best method for us to grow as a species which could take tens of thousands of years still and it should be our #1 goal in life to get the ball running in our little Century.
That's a solid mod.
If you're thinking of building you might just try out an RDA. Maybe a goon clone off ebay. Dripping is a lot like having a pipe. You fill "the bowl"(your deck) with some juice and have a few puffs at a time before re-dripping.
You can find premade coils or make your own for it. You'll also need some cotton. I recommend Japanese cotton pads I get mine from Amazon.
To actually build your own coils you need a bit of kanthal or stainless steel wire. 26gauge is a nice one to work with. Amazon for that too...
Also check out this vid for build help. Let me know if you need any help or PM me if you have specific questions.
Enjoy! Any other questions, feel free to PM me!
I bought my japanese cotton on amazon 200 sheets for $5.93
It was my first time buying cotton and it's pretty good.
Also just bought a Smok XCube 2 and been vaping using temp control on titanium wire. Found my wire on Etsy: [link]
And as for wire I get it on amazon from Lightning vapes on amazon
> I thought about picking up the TFV 8 Tank and the RX200S.
Diving in headfirst and starting off with a Jeep huh? That's a very powerful mod, and one of the flashier tanks. You could have a vary enjoyable experience with a much smaller and more portable mod. The three battery set up of the RX200 makes them less convenient to put in your pocket and carry about, they are also very powerful, far more powerful than is necessary for 95% of vapers. The real advantage for vapers is that there is better battery life with three batteries, but it's not significantly better than a two battery mod. There have also been reports of a poor quality connection on the RX200.
> As far as I know the Tank comes with a few prebuild coils. How long can you use coils and when do you have to switch?
They last about a week, although it you have a very sweet juice, a juice with a high VG ratio, or if you don't take time to propperly 'break in" the coil it might be shorter. Just make sure you get the cotton very well saturated, let the mod sit for a while when you first fill up, and start at a low setting then slowly ramp up. If the cotton is dry, or you use too much power you'll burn the cotton and ruin the prebuilt coil.
> The Mod can be charged via USB but do I need a extra batterie charger? My family has been using rechargeable batteries since ages and can I use the same charger for my Mods batteries?
Never charge this via USB, the USB port is for firmware updates only. You need to charge them externally because the mod does not charge the batteries in a balanced manner. This can lead to excess strain being put on one of the batteries and is potentially dangerous. For this reason it's a great idea to get two sets so you can swap them over and keep vaping while one set charges. Check out the r/electronic_cigarette wiki on battery safety.
> Can I check the resistance of my RDA using a multimeter or do I have to pick up one of these "check things"?
Yes you can. This is a regulated device so that's okay. Ohm readers are needed for mechanical mods, but you'd be stupid if you started with one of them.
> Can I use just regular cotton to wick my build or do I need any special cotton?
Organic cotton has fewer added chemicals and gives a cleaner taste, a big bag of them can be found on amazon for $7
> How do I know at what Setting to run my Box Mod? Watts and Volts?
I've only ever used watts, it doesn't really matter it's just two different ways to increase/decrease the power. Watts is more commonly used/talked about.
> Do I need specific wire for my coils or can I get this at the Craft Store?
You can use Kanthal or Stainless Steel in wattage mode, any vape store sells it, online $10 would get you plenty.
My 2c, don't get an RX200, it's too big. Go for a Sigelei 150, or a K-Box 120.
Amazon. Let me link you. I ordered through Nippon Store, and the way they put their declaration label, it acts as a tamper label. Fucking amazing.
Wire and batteries: lightning vapes
Cheap atomizers: fasttech
Total for a year: ~50$
Now if you don't mind vaping unflavored you can get glycerin from your local pharmacy for ~6$/250ml and get some nicotine online, 100ml of 100mg/ml nic is about 50$, from which you can make 3300ml of 3mg nic e-juice. Or you can get premixed base from places like ecigexpress.com or bullcityvapor.com and throw in some flavorings to try recipes when you're bored.
A yearly total for this is hard to make because everybody just happens to jump knee-deep into it as a hobby.
Amazon definitely. If you want it quick get this or if you need longer strips get this.
just spend $7.50 on this and be done with it. Its organic and unbleached. [link]
I bought this 8 months ago and I am not even half way through my cotton. 200 sheets for 7 bucks.
Organic Cotton Puff
Its fine. Dont boil it. Use what you need to while you wait on some organic cotton sheets to come in from amazon.
Those are my favorite Cheapo Authentics on fasttech. They have other colors for both models but, those are in stock and would ship tomorrow. Also if your into trying more out, the velocity clones are fantastic, as well as the hobo 2.1 clones.
As for cotton order a 100 pack of japenese cotton off amazon for 6 bucks here.
You have a TC device so don't hesitate to grab some Nickel or Titanium IN ADDITION TO kanthal. It's good to learn and try on kanthal so your not accidentally dry-burning metal oxides while your practicing.
Edit: Also 24G kanthal and nickel is really easy to coil for first timers because of its lack of "spring"
I'd suggest getting some Japanese organic cotton. Those are probably way overpriced. Something like this if you're ordering from Amazon. For ~$8 you'll have enough for quite some time.
As for the wicking, the bottom feed tanks like that can be a bit tricky. Not sure this works on the Avocado, try sticking a small allen wrench beside each wick into the tank to create an air space. Here is an example. He covers tanks of the general style.
Rayon For some reason it's a ton more expensive on amazon, local stores have it at less than half that price.
Amazon has Japanese cotton which is really cheap for how much you get. I'd say it's around ~~10~~ 6 dollars for a 100 pieces. Or vapewild has $0.99 cent for 4 pieces if amazon is sold out
Better amazon page for this item:
Funny that it's actually cheaper on amazon and you'll get it much sooner.
Puffs cotton over on Amazon
I've been using [link] for years. All you have to do is cut it to the width you need. There's no pulling or crunching. Only time you'll really have to handle it is when you pull it through the coil.
I use Puffs off of Amazon. One pack goes a long...long...loooong way.....
if you are talking about these, yes they have the outer layers you can peel away. I find if you then cut in 4 even strips, each strip will fit a 3mm coil just right.
Cotton, $5.27 with free shipping: [link]
50 ft of kanthal, $4.99 with free shipping: [link]
Ebay and Amazon are usually a terrible place to look for vape stuff, but wick, wire, and tools are exceptions.
I bought (this)[ORGANIC Cotton Makeup Puff, Medium [link]] for ecig vaping and never managed to run out. It ships from Japan but is well worth it.
I second the Cruis 2. I and many others have had trouble getting the SMM right so I wouldn't recommend it to someone new to RTAs. The Crius 2 has been much more forgiving.
Get yourself a bag of japanese organic cotton pads on amazon, it's like $10 for a year+ supply. You're also going to need scissors and tweezers, and flush cutters if you're going to be building coils, or even just installing pre-made ones to clip the extra off the ends. This kit for example
You can look up reviews on youtube for specific tanks to see how to work with it. For the crius 2 for example: 1 2
by far the best cotton ive used.
Not likely. You should definitely scrounge up some organic/untreated cotton somewhere. [link]
AVS, I'd recommend the basic clapton wire to start with & it looks like Temco is no longer carrying SS316L =[
Puffs Japanese Organic Cotton, a bag of this will last me a full year. I know one person that swears by organic cotton balls but in my internal testing I found them to be one of the worst for allowing juice to fully saturate the wick but it may not be that big of an issue for RDA users as long as you drench them before vaping.
I bought 2 bags of this cotton 2.5 years ago.
Just recently ran out lol.
This will last you a lifetime
The DOG3 doesn't come with any coils, as far as I can remember. It does come with extra screws/o-rings.
If you're planning on building your own coils, I highly suggest looking up some videos on youtube. I learned from watching Grimm Green's videos about 3-4 years ago on how to do dual coils and have been happy with them to this day. It's nothing fancy but it gets the job done.
You can get your supplies at [link]
Don't buy spools of wire that's more than 10 dollars anywhere else... You're getting ripped off.
I would recommend you try using 316l stainless steel wire. Especially since you're thinking of getting an rx200, which is a temp control mod. Stainless steel can do temp control (tc) or wattage mode so you can play with those two modes and see what you like. I started with wattage mode since tc wasn't around yet but have since been doing tc and haven't looked back.
Also, go to this site [link]
It's a calculator to see how many loops you'll want in a coil to get your desired level.
You got the wire and the calculator, now you'll need some wicking material. I personally use japanese cotton. I use [link]
This one pack will last you for more than a year once you get a hang of things. Don't get ripped off and buy them in smaller packs. I've seen b&m stores selling repackaged cotton for 2-5 dollars.
You might need a wire cutter if you don't already have one handy. I've been using this for 3 years now and it still works like new. [link]
You can also search for mini screw driver sets to wrap your wire around to make your coils. I bought mine at walmart for 5 dollars.
You'll also need tweezers. I've been using ceramic tweezers from lightening vapes, which I linked above. Aside from that, you should be ready to rock. Oh, and get an ohm reader. That might come in handy to check your work.
If you have any other questions, just PM me. I know how scary it is to play with wires/electricity and crap if you're not comfortable with them.
You want a RTA or a RDA ? RBA is quite vague, it could refer to a tank that uses both pre-made coils and has a "RBA deck" or anything rebuildable really.
Wire: lightning vapes
For a 30w device like an iStick, you can't power dual coils in a reasonable way, its range is from 0.4 to 2.13ohm. I think this is the optimal coil and this is an RDA you can't go wrong with and that supports single coil.
I have used this for the past couple of years with great results:
wire from lightningvapes.com
Let me politely counter with this: [link]
200 cotton pads for less than $7 (as an add on item).
Save yourself some money.
OP, these are a better deal my man
Labo/Puff, MUJI, and KGD are all basically the same thing just at different prices. A package of Labo/Puff lasts me about a year and a half.
For starting off, I'd recommend a Tobeco Velocity clone as it's cheap and easy to build on. The two-post design (Velocity-style) has been copied by pretty much everyone else so you'll be familiar with the deck when you fall further down the rabbit hole.
A coil jig (Coilmaster, Youde, etc.) is very nice to have. The kits are usually a good value as they include an ohm reader, the jig, ceramic tweezers, and flush wire cutters, among other things and all in a handy carrying case. The ohm reader is especially important for your safety so you can tell if a build is shorted before putting it on your mod. The ceramic tweezers are nice because you can play with the coil to get even heating (for contact coils like Kanthal builds) while pulsing it without fear of shorting it or getting a shock.
For wire, 24g or 26g Kanthal is a good place to start for wattage builds. A common build is a single coil 6 wrap 24g Kanthal around a 2.5mm giving a resistance of about 0.5 ohms. The Velocity can handle single coil builds by having the coil set in between the posts as opposed to on one side of the posts. Alternatively, a dual coil 6 wrap 26g Kanthal around 2.5mm gives about 0.37 ohms and is another simple and effective build.
If you delve into temperature control, I'd recommend SS316L if your mod can handle it or has a TCR setting. It's easier to work with than Ni and Ti and you can dry burn it if you want without any harmful effects. It also works in both temperature control and wattage modes in case you feel like switching it up without building new coils. I like to shoot for 0.4 ohms with SS316L, so a single coil 6 wrap 26g SS316L around 2.5mm works perfectly. You can explore other gauges and wire materials once you get a handle for how temperature control works.
For those more exotic wires, twisted and claptons are fairly easy to make if you like to DIY. Otherwise, there are some manufacturers that have premade twisted and claptons on rolls and some have premade exotic coils if you just want to try some of those out. I stick to the simple builds because I mainly run temperature control, but will occasionally throw a clapton into my RDAs for fun.
As for purchasing things, you should be able to find RDAs and coil kits from your favorite vendors. Lightning Vapes is a good place to go for wire. The one thing is most of the wicking sold by vendors are a bit overpriced, considering you can get the same stuff in 150-200 piece packs for like $7-15 on Amazon (Labo/Puff, KGD, and MUJI cotton pads), so keep that in mind.
For resources on building, Steam Engine has nice tools (Ohm's Law, Coil Wrapping, and Wire Wizard) that can help take the guesswork out of coil building. You can play around with the settings to figure out how to build something that meets your needs.
Also, consider watching some Youtube videos and reviews of whatever RDA you choose to get a general idea on how to build and wick it, as each RDA or RTA or whatever may have its own quirks.
tl;dr - Get a coiling kit from your favorite vendor, it'll have everything you need to get started. Pick a wire and use Steam Engine to get the ball rolling. Watch videos specific to whatever RDA you choose for a quick start. Don't worry about the nuances and extreme variety as you'll eventually come across those in time.
Obviously be wary when trying to side-step expensive gimmicks with vaping because sometimes expensive stuff is expensive for a reason but if you can source cheap stuff it feels good.
Cheap Jap Organic Cotton 1: [link]
Cheap Jap Organic Cotton 2: [link]
Cheap Kanthal 24gauge spool:
That's a great idea, don't know how I didn't think of it. Do you mean these?
Bought this in January of 2015, still have about a third left.
Organic Cotton Puff is usually around $5-6.
I'll save you the trouble of using the search bar - if you were to search, you would have found roughly 6,427,994 posts telling you to get LG HG2s, a Velocity clone from Tobeco, Bombies Nana Cream 3mg (thanks for the giveaway). We call this the Reddit-Hive-Mind-Starter-Kit.
Parts? None, other than wick and wire.
Since you will ask about wire and wick - here is 50% off wire through Lightning Vapes [link] AND here is the cotton everyone has recommended in similar posts [link]
Yes, the Cuboid can do TC with SS316L wire, so buy some from Lightning Vapes in 24 guage.
In the future, definitely check out the search bar. By asking these questions without checking previous discussions you will end up with the most generic replies from the hive.
Provide some background on what you know, what you want to know specifically and some signs that you have done some homework, and you will find people are much more willing to engage/offer assistance beyond standard issue Reddit replies.
I use these and a pack has lasted me over a year.
Ordered mine here on the 29th January and Arriving 3rd March :(
Here's a gift : Cotton Labo ORGANIC Cotton Puff Size M (200pc) (japan import) [link]
I just received mine and won't be needing cotton for the next year or two.
My suggestion for easy RDA builds:
~~Tobeco Velocity RDA - $18~~ (you already have a nice RDA)
Kuro Koiler (I use 3mm) - $7
Clapton Wire (26AWG + 32AWG kanthal) - $9
Puff Japanese Organic Cotton - $6
I'd recommend Grimmgreen's simple RBA coil video. If you want the best bang for your buck on cotton: [link]
I bought from somebody else and I didn't have to sign.
Although later I found out this one is cheaper.
I keep seeing Muji pads on Amazon! I went with this one btw, it's very comparable to Muji [link]
I echo the comment about Cotton Bacon.
People over on the AAEC recommend Puff as well: [link]
even better, this is what i use
fucking dirt cheap
Picked up one of these for cotton. Don't think I'll need to reorder for a while:p
its been chemically treated and bleached, so not the best option. These are good [link]
Looks good. It's recommended to grab an external charger for these batteries like a nitecore i20, um20 or xtar vc2/vc4 etc. Some mods have had issues with their charging boards. Though saying that I've been charging my vtc mini through a regular phone charger just fine over the last few weeks and I haven't read any reports of it going wrong with this mod.
A resistance meter is good to have I guess but I haven't used mine in ages, I just use my mods for it now.
Pro tip for cotton: [link]
And something to bookmark if you hadn't found it yet: [link]
Got this, just ordered it earlier tonight
rda: just dont get anything with deck airflow holes if its your first rda. some good cheap ones are royal hunter, sapor, rementry
Stop buying organic cotton from B&M stores as quick as possible.
This is what you are buying at a super inflated price:
I own a bag of the first kind I listed and in a few month I'll have had it for an entire year, and I'm not even half way through it. My B&M gives me 5 sheets for $5. Here you are getting 200 for $5.49 shipped.
Seems everyone else has covered the coil stuff well enough. I will just say that I've been vaping for a year and I get by just fine on basic coils. Fancy coils are in no way necessary.
Get some good cotton. I like this pack from Amazon. I bought it a year ago and I'm not even halfway through it.
You'll need a good charger like the nitecore d2/d4, efest luc, or xtar vc4.
If you're going to be learning how to build I'd get a couple different gauges of kanthal to work with. Lightning vapes is a good place for kanthal, batteries, etc. Use the coupon code ohmsweetohm for 17% off.
I'm really liking using UD clapton wire in my builds lately. I don't have a drill or the time to spin my own so it's pretty awesome to have a bunch of it on a spool ready to go. Eciggity has a bunch of different kinds in stock. The ni80 clapton wire is nice because it heats up faster.
The velocity is a nice rda and it's super easy to build on, but I definitely like my sapor more. The flavor is way better and it doesn't ever leak on me. I think it looks nicer too, but that's subjective. Ecig.com has them for $16.50, but they're out of stock right now. Next cheapest I could find is 101vape.com at $24.
You're probably going to be blowing through juice now, so I recommend finding a good "budget" juice that you like that you can vape all day on. I'm a big fan of blue dot vapors right now. Their vanilla white peach yogurt, convicted melons, and ctc cereal are delicious and it's only like $15 for 100ml after the discount code.
Speaking of discount codes, check out the recommended suppliers in the sidebar. Tons of good stuff in there.
Vapecrawler is a good site for scoping out the best prices on gear.
The Scottish roll. A great way to wick your rda. I've been using this method for a while and it's awesome for helping to avoid dry hits.
You missed the first one I listed.
i bought of this seller. looks like the price went up
i like this Organic Cotton Its radiation free and harvested by ninjas
I got 200 pads of genuine Koh Gen Do from Amazon for $6.
You have japanese cotton, right? If not never fear its cheap and will last you quite some time.
Keep in mind that stuff ships from Japan and will take a while to get to you
That gives you less cotton but will be at your door in a couple days, if you need cotton now its not a bad option.
Rip has a decent overview of the scottish roll
Here's a link to a popular pack on Amazon for cheap! Tons of Organic Japanese Cotton pads for six bucks!
Not op, but I usually get this! One pad is equal to about 2 rewicks.
This cotton does really well and will last you a long time: [link]
Kanthal you can pick up from Lightning Vapes via their Amazon storefront or their website (coupon: ohmsweetohm).
I use this.
And I will be for the next 3.5 million years give or take depending on how many times a day I rewick.
Like this? [link]
Or something else?
What he said. [link]
Selena is good. I haven't tried a different type, so I can't say it's the best but it works very well and the reviews are great (most of which are from people using them for rebuilding).
That's still super expensive for cotton, AFAIC.
I use this.
Here ya go, this is what I use and I love it.
Selena Organic Cotton Facial Puffs size M - 200 count [link]
Just use this, probably much cheaper.
Since the SUBOX was mentioned. I have this handy little (ok, it's quite lengthy and detailed to be of as much help possible) macro all prepared.
We all know the SUBOX Mini Kit is widely recommended for beginner and even some intermediate vapors. It also gets great reviews. I am in no way, shape, or form affiliated with any of these companies. Unfortunately, you have to purchase for multiple sites to get the best deals.
There is no TL;DR for this. I apologize, but I don't want you to be upset if you're a newcomer to the wonderful world of vaping.
Below is my "SUBOX Macro" on where to buy your SUBOX for the cheapest price I have yet to find, shipped out of the US, from an authentic seller. This post also contains where to buy batteries and a charger from. You NEED good batteries for vaping in general, so the batteries and charger can be used with pretty much any other mod you will get.
Each break is outlining one or 2 things: The SUBOX Mini Kit itself, Batteries and a charger, the RBA Deck that will come with the SUBOX Mini Kit.
Kanger SUBOX Mini.
The SUBOX Mini also comes with an RBA Deck, so you can build your own coils, which is MUCH CHEAPER in the long run. This RBA will come with 2 premade coils that will come out to be around 0.5-0.6 ohms. It will also come with enough cotton to re-wick 6ish times. This will be covered later on in this.
With the OCC Coils from vistavapors added to your cart, your total should come to $63.73 with free shipping. Note: These are the Horizontal OCC coils from my experience, not the newer Vertical Coils that the SUBOX Mini Kit will come with. It's not that big of a deal IMO.
Kanthal and Cotton for the RTA Deck that is included with the SUBOX Mini Kit This will save you a lot of money in the long run.
Here are two links that will help you out building coils. www.steam-engine.org/ohm.asp which will help you understand some of Ohms Law and [link] which will help you build coils. The SUBOX itself can fire from 7.0 watts up to 50.0 watts as we know. From what I've been reading, the Subtank Mini is recommended to be operated under 35 watts. Since you don't have an Ohm Reader yet, DO NOT build anything under 0.2 ohms for safety's sake.
Since we are just starting off, it is recommended to go with 26 Gauge Kanthal. www.lightningvapes.com will have this pretty cheap, so with ohmsweetohm as the discount code, you can get something like 100 feet for under $5. That's going to last you a very long time since each coil only needs 6-8 inches. Lightningvapes however only carries Cotton Bacon, which some feel is not the best.
Cotton, damn that's a rough one, there's so many sites that carry it and prices fluctuate on this. There are also many different brands recommended. We're just going to keep it simple and go to Amazon.
Here's 2 suggestions. You DO want unbleached Organic Cotton. Puff seems to be the better deal.
Koh Gen Doh
Of course, shop around a bit for the cotton since prices jump around, those are 2 good brands.
For now, let's just stick with the 5 wraps around the Blue Screwdriver for a ~0.5 ohm build. If you want to get more advanced, build some fancy twisted coils, clapton coils, etc. , go for really low ohms, whatever it is. It is HIGHLY recommended to get an Ohm Reader. A Coil Jig will also help you out later. You'll cross that bridge when it comes time. I have no link to a cheaper Coil Jig. That's the cheapest Ohm Reader that seems to be good as well. You can always search around for another one and a Coil Jig on your own since you've made it this far now :-p.
Honestly, kits are going to always be more expensive than if you bought things seperately. You could get something like this, but it's a tad overpriced imo. Also fasttech might take 1-3 weeks on shipping depending, but I usually order from there anyways.
Really, all you need to start out is a set of those small screwdrivers, an ohm reader, maybe a pair of needle nose tweezers and/or pliers and wire/cotton of course. The coil jigs are useful, but I find that I can build just as fast on screwdrivers with some practice.
As for cotton, I buy this and it has lasted me a long time. Tastes way better than other cotton's I've used. Wire I usually get off Ebay, something like this might be worth it to you as you get multiple gauges. (I've bought from this seller, seems fine)
Here is a guide for rebuilding: [link]
Cotton for wicking: [link]
Wire for the heating element: [link]
You can buy nicer juice or cheaper stuff. It's all up to you. Making your own is cheaper by far, but you may miss out on flavor.
This is what I use and it works great. [link]
I am using this with great success so far. I've used it in both my Subtank Mini and my Plume Veil RDA.
I got a plume veil clone and was incredibly unimpressed, but ymmv. For my suggestion, I'd say the Mutation v3 or v4. V4 is new but it's really new so not too many reviews or anything, I've got one coming in the mail, just haven't played with it yet. V3 though I have and love love love, much chucking, many plumes, wow. For your coil I'd get some 26g kanthal, that's a pretty great place to start, for cotton I'd get this:
[link] for basically a lifetime supply haha
This is the first cotton/kanthal I bought and it wouldn't be a horrible idea:
Oh and here's a link to the mutation v4 with a cool sale:
It only went up yesterday so it's unlikely they've sold 600 by now, but I'm not SURE that they're going to stop advertising it once they have so :/
Hope some of this helps!
I ordered this bag and I was very pleased with the quality and the price.
wire although 24g is preferred for that atty once you get good at building and want to try something new.
coil tools you also need tweezers
batteries(lghe2,samsung 25r) should only be bought from trusted sources and i buy mine at a local B&M. so i cant help there.
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I just ordered some of this: [link]
It is the same thing as KGD.
Cotton Labo ORGANIC Cotton Puff Size M
on the rare occasion I use my doge, and when I use the rba on my subtank, no complaints from me
here is a list of stuff you should pick up:
japanese organic cotton pads
kanthal, this is 28g but you can get other gages from amazon as well.
thin clippers to fit in tiny spaces
comparison video for cotton types (TL:DW japanese cotton)
Half a lifetime's supply for a few dollars Maybe there's better prices elsewhere, idunno I'm good for a while :) I use RDA so the wicking improvement is no biggie but almost zero break in taste has me converted from organic cotton balls.
Cut narrow strips with scissors, great results.
I quit smoking hookah thanks to a decent vape setup. i was a 3+ bowl a day hookah smoker. I started with a protank 3 and itaste vv and that didnt make me kick the hookah habit. it was when I got an istick 20 and ventured into rebuilding that my hookah started collecting dust. the tank I used on my istick 20w was an orchid
I recommend a device that can give you atleast 30w like the istick 30 or 50.
Yup, that's what I use. Labo Organic cotton puffs. 200 for $7.80
Edit: 200 puffs, not 20
ive heard of people using that.
ive used this for awhile though if you are curious.
1a. Maybe start off on 28? I started off there and have tried 24 gauge, but I prefer the 28 because its easier to coil and build. (If you're daring I suggest trying a twisted 28. Good flavor, decent clouds, and juice is easier to deal with since I've found single coil to waste juice a lot more).
1b. Cotton is a little trickier since its your first time building, but I suggest looking around on some videos for tutorials and what not. I suggest Japanese organic cotton, don't have to boil, just wick and wet and you'll be ready. Here's what I use.
1c. This is a great tutorial about ohms and building.
Juice is really up to you and how you want it. I've heard that the best for the mini is 50/50? Could be wrong, but look around on /r/electronic_cigarette and there should be some stuff that answer your questions.
I suggest starting off on a RDA before you start building for the mini. Get something like the Dark Horse or Plume Veil. (again personal preference)
Buy yourself a charger with some batteries that will fit for your istick. Its a lot easier to just interchange the batteries rather than wait until the battery dies and then having to wait for it to charge.
Hope this helps!
Fulfilled by Amazon: [link]
For some reason I hardly get any cotton taste on a fresh re-wick when I use these but I get a VERY strong cotton taste on a fresh re-wick with these. Not sure what you're using but I thought I'd throw that out there. I'm thinking it has something to do with the thickness/density of the cotton? Not really sure.
What's the best way to vape using a dark horse RDA, in terms of wicking? I'm using this cotton.
you want some cotton and some kanthal.
I buy kanthal from amazon but there are other places you can get it as well like the manufacture of the wire itself (forgot the name of the company)
wire cutters like this to get into the small nooks.
I use Artistic Wire Coiling Gizmo to make good coils but a lot just use precision screw drivers or a kuro coiler.
and a rba. plume veil is often recommended for dripping, and i recommend an orchid v4 for an rta.
Everyone else just repackages IMO.
Cotton Labo ORGANIC Cotton Puff Size M (200pc) [link]
As an add on item for $7.29
Selena Organic Cotton Puff Size M [link]
On prime for $15.99
[link] this? i got wick to last a lifetime i think lol
Ok, here is the cheapest "good" cloud chasing set up I can think of. I'm not going to include tools, but you'll want to get needle nose tweezers, scissors, a small screw driver set (to wrap your coils on), wire cutters (can substitute them for nail clippers if you want to save money) and potentially pliers.
Mod: Stingray X Clone. Link: [link]
RDA: TOBH Clone. Link: [link]
Battery: Samsung 25r (use code LV20 on anything from Lightning Vapes to save 20%). Link: [link]
Charger: eFest LUC. Link: [link]
Ohm reader: Generic ohm reader. Link: [link]
Wire: 24 gauge wire. Can choose between 25'-1000'. Link: [link]
Wick: Organic cotton. You have some wiggle room here. If you want to save money go to your local pharmacy and get some organic cotton balls. Price ranges from $3-$6 and that should last you a long, long time. A lot of people (including me) like Japanese cotton pads since they are easier to work with and may give you better flavor and wicking ability. Link: [link]
Price before shipping and discounts: $92.61
There's a lot of wiggle room in here, but this set up is pretty high quality, easy to work with and once you get experienced you won't get much bigger clouds without getting into high end regulated or mechanical mods.
I'll say it again though: definitely do your research and if you do decide to change some of this make sure you don't skimp on good batteries and chargers.
Thanks for the insight! I'm wondering if I should pick up some Organic Cotton to go with my Cellucotton, might make things easier.
Depends on whether they're set up for rebuilding or not already. If they are, the only bit missing is a nice charger. I like the Nitecore D2, which can be purchased on Lightning Vapes with the batteries.
If they're not setup for rebuilding however, there's a few more things you'll need in addition to the charger. Those would be:
Kanthal resistance wire - If you're only going to buy a single spool, I'd probably suggest 100ft of 27ga. It's only $6 because it's not nearly as popular as other sizes. If you're open to buying a couple spools, especially if they might end up picking up some more rebuildables, I'd suggest 100ft each of 26ga and 28ga.
Cotton for wicking. Link goes to a big pack of Japanese cotton pads on Amazon. Generally one of the best wicks around these days.
Flush cutters - An indispensable building tool. Makes snipping off leads easy as pie.
Tweezers. For pinching/adjusting coils, etc.
Kuro Coiler set. Totally optional, but for someone who is just getting into rebuilding these things are absolutely fantastic. Makes wrapping perfect microcoils as simple as can be.
Nice sharp pair of scissors.
Micro screwdriver set. Nice to have around for filling atomizers, wrapping coils around, etc.
Small butane torch. Use it to torch wire before wrapping so it holds its shape better.
is this the right kind? cause that's a pretty decent price.
wire although 24g is preferred
ohm meter, Mechanical mod, battery charger and rda can all be bought on fasttech or 101vape.
batteries(sony vtc,samsung 25r) should only be bought from trusted sources and i buy mine at a local B&M. so i cant help there.
30 gauge kanthal, round A1, definitely not nickel or anything like that.
The RDA is a Magma clone from Fasttech - [link]
The battery is a iTaste VV 3.0 - [link]
My cotton - [link]
Aaaaaand here's a pic of my kanthal, because why the hell not - [link]
cotton on amazon is like $7 for 200 pieces with free shipping
more wire on giantvapes and free shipping
In my opinion, this is probably the best cotton you can get on Amazon.
Get Samsung 25r's
Get a Nitecore charger
Get an ohm reader!
Small screwdrivers, small round things (alen wrenches, drill bits, etc), wire cutters, scissors, small pliers/tweezers, and perhaps a magnifying glass will make your life much easier.
Start with 28g, twist it or run parallels if you need more low. Since wire is so cheap maybe pick up 28g and 24g from LightningVapes
[link] is your best friend
Wraps should be as close together as possible, or evenly spaced for a non-contact coil. Leave the object you wrapped it on in while you put it through your posts, tighten your screws when it's in place, then use the object to get it level/where you want your coil. After the resistance checks out pulse the fire button, gently squeeze your coil together, repeat until heating evenly from the middle of the coil. The more tidy and clean it looks, your vaping experience will likely be better.
Cotton should be snug, but not tight, only the cotton through the coil should be touching the coil (unless doing fancy wicking, but this works the best for a basic setup); slide the rest to the sides. More cotton does not equal more better; it should at least touch the juice well, but you don't need much more than that. Here is some good, cost-effective, cotton
Mechanical mods perform best <0.5ohms
Consider max vg, and consider dropping your nic level.
If you think you can get one more hit off of it, it's time to drip.
Here is the desktop version of your link
I got some of this stuff with an amazon order, pretty happy with it.
this is the one I've been buying for the past 3 years and its much cheaper [link]
I've use Selena Organic Cotton Facial Puffs for about a year now. 100% natural, unbleached, organic cotton pads. 200 pads for $5.94 + free shipping. They are fantastic.
I never bought Koh Gen Do, but all reviews I've read say they are pretty much equal in every way. I highly recommend them to anybody.
Also this 200 count organic cotton $7. [link]
It ships fast. 2-3 days to your door. It's Amazon.
You can get lots of organic cotton very cheaply.
That's like a years worth of cotton. :)
100' 28ga kanthol, will allow you many mistakes and much learning:
Cheers, and good luck!
Vendors can fuck off with the overpriced bullshit.
I use this. For a few bucks you get infinite cotton. I cut it into strips about 3-5mm in width.