What is Reddit's opinion of Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History?

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Palestinians called themselves Palestinians since 4000 years ago. Currently the Pharoahs have the first evidence of Palestinians, they were named "Peleset", then you have Assyrians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines etc. all using that name, albeit in their accent, to refer to the Palestinians. Like Peleset, Philistia, Filistini etc.

They became Arab & (mostly) Muslim 1400 years ago.

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Palestine was known since the Pharaohs. In fact Ramases II and Palestinians fought together against the Hittites in the Battle of Kadesh way back 3000+ years ago.

There were no Jews then.

Before it was known as Palestine it was known as Amurru (north) and Djahi (south).

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>That doesn't work like that; that just because their name is similar doesn't mean they are the same people

It does. The same region with the same people being referred with the same name.

Very simple logic.

>If you were Arabized then why there are no connection between the Philistines DNA to Palestinians DNA?

Because genetics cannot determine anything definitive. You arguing with yourself about which genetic study is accurate is an illustration of my point. I have shown that Jews are from Persia. Ashkenazi Jews have less than 3% Levantine but you deny it.

You totally ignore the archeological evidences and the fact that all the empires - without fail - talked of the same people about the exact same region for 4000 years straight.

You need to explain how that happened.

You believe in a fictional Bible with pseudo history. Whilst I'm relying on archeological evidence, not a mythical book.

Palestinians never claimed to be native anywhere except Palestine. Jews claimed to be native anywhere they went.

Hardly anyone said Jews are native to Palestine but everyone said Palestinians are native to Palestine.

Yet instead of using your brain, you allow synagogues to brainwash you.

Forget Judaism. Study the history of the Palestinian people without Zionist colonial bias.

Here is a good start:

Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1786998696/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_EME9STXPZKERDB6B4FJD

Im busy now. I have shown you how terribly wrong you are. Defending Israel is a sign of extremism and terrorism and we will always defend our land against rotten Zionists who couldn't develop their own homeland in Eastern Europe and Russia. Even today, Zionists need constant aid to survive. Too lazy to work but yet still mass murdering children, building apartheid, destroying homes, burning fields etc.

The inherent violent tendencies by Jews are still here today to be seen.

>The Philistines were greek pepole who migrated into the coast reigon of Canaan during the bronze age collapse

Thats a theory that no one can prove. But whatever the origins of Philistines is, their name and their descendants are Palestinians of today. That has been documented by the Pharaohs, Assyrians, Greeks, Arabs, Ottomans.

>They go have nothing to do with modern Palestinians.

So from Pharaohs to Ottomans, who all used the term Palestinian to refer to the people of Palestine, just so happened to be wrong? But a Ashkenazi Jew, with a fabricated history knows that all the archeological and written evidences are fake.

Yet you bitch about Holocaust denial. How ironic.

In any case, the Palestinians are here and were here for 4000 years. There's too many historical evidences to deny.

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Whilst you at it, how about you stop relying on meaningless genetic studies (ironically Nazis were also big on genetics. Seems like you borrowed genocide and genetics from your friends) and actually read history.

By 12th century BC (long before the Bible and long before Israel) the Palestinians already had trade relations with the Pharaohs. So much so that centuries later, your Bible says that a road was made by Palestinians to connect Anatolia to Egypt. The road is known as Via Maris.

The Bible calls it "When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them on the road through the Philistine country, though that was shorter" Exodus 13:17.

So whilst the Jews were supposedly on their exodus, Palestinians already had international reputations by Pharaohs and whoever fabricated the Bible.

Since Palestinians lived on the sea coast, over time, the entire region from sea to river began Palestine. Palestinians are the only ones who developed the region, started trade and did no genocide. Unlike the Jews, they justify genocide and loot other people's land.

Read this book. Really good. It shatters the colonial Judo-Zionist myth.

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>I said Palestinians are mixed descendants of Philistines and other native groups who were Arabized and intermarried with Arabs.

Finally... You agree with me! Seems like the heavy weight of references and archeology was too much for you lol.

First you said Philistines are not Palestinians. Now you correctly said Palestinians are Philistines (their descendants) but they mixed with others (Arabs mainly). Therefore Palestinians are the oldest and only indigenous population

Hence why I'm an Arab Palestinian 🙋‍♂️ and the heritage continues for 4000 years...

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>And Palestinians are descendants of Arabs who came during the 7th century but I'm not saying they aren't natives.

Your first point is wrong. Palestinians are descendants of Palestinians since 14/13BC. They mixed with Arabs later on. For example Herodotus mentions Arabs in Palestinian land in 5th century BC. Tacitus mention Arabs in Roman army heading to the province of Judaea etc. Muslim sources mention Arabs in Lebanon in the 6th century. The 7th century was simply a catalyst of what already existed.

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>Besides, the migrations Tacitus is describing occured hundreds of years befors he was writing.

He described a massacre not migration.

Here is his quote: "they [Jews] drove out the natives, took over their lands and there consecrated their city and temple." (page 246)

I know he is describing years later. But it matters because it shows that Jews then didn't see themselves as natives. In fact Tacitus mentions 4 theories regarding Jewish origins, none of the locations is Palestine. So even the people in the Roman era didn't view Jews as natives, nor does he mention Jews saying they are natives (nor can they because they came as colonizers themselves! You cant say Romans are bad yet Jews are good. They did the same thing lol)

>My point is you can't deport or force Jews to leave a place they grew up in and have known as their home their entire lives

If they (Zionist supporters) can leave Eastern Europe, then surely they can leave Palestine 🙃

>There is no Egyptian mention of Palestine before the 20th century AD.

Hahahaha. It doesn't require refutation.

>There are many mentions of Philistines well before 1,000 BC as Egypt, along with other countries in the region, was under attack by them and other “Sea Peoples” until they defeated them on land and sea and planted some prisoners in the far south-west of Canaan. They were Mycenaean Greeks which is why the Greek name for them was Palestinë, a name never used by the native inhabitants of the Levant.

Nice lie. They weren't Greeks nor was their language known. In fact nobody knows where they are from but they are the Palestinians. Him denying it makes no difference. Their first mention is in the 1300BC.

They desperately try to disconnect the same people who were mentioned since 1300BC. They were continually mentioned by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ummayads, Abbasids, Ottomans and till today. Zionists are desperate liars.

The Greek name for Palestine literally is a continuation from the previous empires. He literally contradicted himself. One minute the Egyptians names the Palestinians, next minute its a Greek word. Did the Pharaohs speak Greek?! 😱

>There is certainly at least one mention of Israel in Egyptian sources, especially on a stele of the Pharaoh Merneptah (c1205 BC).

There is not. They say it but it makes no sense since there was no "Israel" in 1205BC (though Philistia did exist then). Hence why the other opinion is that they are the 'Asher' people. Its like saying they found "England" in the 1205BC when England is formed in the 8/9th century AD. Its totally anachronistic. "Israel" was formed in 9th century BC. That Merneptah Stele is 13th century BC - there is a 400 year gap.

If "Israel" was real in 1205BC, then the mythological conquest of Joshua disappears and the Bible is just one large mythical junk (it is lol)

Plus the same Merneptah mentions the Palestinians 🤭 its totally hypocritical to use it to prove "Israel" and ignore the Palestinians.

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The best part of his answer is that he admits there were people in Palestine before the Jews yet he will still say Jews are indigenous.

The 1st century Roman barrister, Tacitus, beautifully summarises the 4 opinions about the origins of Jews. None of them suggests Palestine (though he did mention Syria/Iraq).

>What?!?! Nazis killed 6000000 of us just because we are Jews.

I know. You dont need to teach me history.

Jews then used the same reasoning to kill Palestinians. How about you read:

Jewish Tradition and the Challenge of Darwinism

Its a book on how Jews used the same concept as the Nazis (superior/inferior race) to justify the genocide of Palestinians. But thats ok, no? Jews can do it, somehow.

>Jews..before we were in Poland we got kicked from Judaea again just because we are Jews and there are many architectural evidence that we were here 2000 years ago.

Nice myth. You really think you were in Judaea first and then migrated to Poland? Yeah cool story. You were in Egypt as a slave then massacred Canaanites and others, built a genocidal state, stupidly fought the Romans (Josepheus' account is unreliable) and were kicked out for your crimes. Even though Josepheus is unreliable but apparently mentions 3 Jewish terrorist organisations and you wonder why the Romans were angry. Those Jews even killed innocent Jews! (Again, assuming Josepheus was right).

Yet before your "Judaea", Palestine already existed. Dont forget the Pharaohs & Palestinians worked together & against each other for years. Here's a nice book on the 4000 years of Palestine:

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Heres the battle of Kadesh between Pharaohs & Palestinians against the Hittites: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kadesh

Pharoahs eventually ruled all of Palestine, then they lost control and Palestinians reigned once more.

Prior to it being called "Palestine", it was called Amurru and Djahy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djahy

To simplify it: Amurru & Djahy ----> Palestine ----> Judaea (according to Jews)/Palestine (according to everyone else) ----> Palestine

Unfortunately you left for other lands and you're gone. The Jews who remained are Palestinians and have mixed with so many people.

It doesn't because there was no Hebrew at the time when Palestinians were mentioned.

The earliest record of Palestine is 13/12th century BC. Whilst Hebrew was formed around 10th century BC.

If anything, those who created the Hebrew language used the already existing term and gave it a negative connotation due to their racism. The genocide and racial hatred of Canaanites and Ameleks are obvious.

It happens in English. The words "street Arabs" means a homeless begging child. It would be dumb to claim that Arabs took their identity from English when there was no English when Arab identity was formed (around 3500 years ago, almost close to when Palestinian identity was formed).

Since Zionists cannot refute this obvious problem, they bring a new theory, that Palestine name came from Greek which apparently means wrestler. Once again, we don't know. But the fact that no one has definite proof, it is meaningless to share definite history.

For some reason there is an inbuilt assumption that the name must come from somewhere else - like as if there is a need for Palestinians to take their name from somewhere due to their inherit lack of ability to name themselves - but how about Palestinians simply named themselves Palestinians? Sounds like a reasonable theory, everyone does that.

However, the safest answer, beyond the myth of the metanarrative of the Bible and Zionist pseudo history, is that the origin of the term Palestine is unknown.

(There could be another theory. Before even Palestine was even thought of, there was Retenu & Djahi, these are extremely old names for what would become Palestine. Perhaps the people living in Retenu and Djahi formed the term Palestine? Considering that Palestinians came after them, it makes sense).

In any case Palestine cannot come from the Hebrew language since Palestine was formed before Hebrew was even a language. In other words before Bible, Hebrew, Israel and Jews, there was Palestinians already trading with the Pharaohs.

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>Palestine was the greek name for Canaan.

Nice theory with no evidence. Could be true, could be false. Nobody knows.

>It's a name for a reigon

The name Peleset is in the Pharaonic inscriptions and it clearly says that the Peleset are a people , not a region.

>When the Arabs conquered it, most people living there were Byzantine Christians, and they used the term "Palestina" which the Arabs turned to falastin.

True. Many Palestinian Christians lived at the time. Famous Palestinian Christians are Eusebius, St Basi the Great, Gregory of Nazianzus and St Jerome. Dont forget Origen (with his heretical Origenism theology).

>Palestinians are just the non-jews people who lived there by the 20th century.

No. They are the natives. Jews came in the 20th century. You confused the Aliyah waves.

Aliyah waves were done by Russian and Eastern European Jews. Not by Palestinians.

Palestinians were in Palestine for 4000 years. They didn't just pop into existence 100 years ago lol.

>but they wouldn't have referred to themselves as Palestinians

.....they did. Lol. You obviously have not read Ibn Hajar's work (whose name is literally is al-Askalani [Ascalon]) or al Maqdisi or many other authors.

Every Palestinian author referred to Palestine and its people. Greek writers, Byzantine writers, Arab writers and Turkish writers, all spoke of Palestine and the Palestinians. And Palestinian writers themselves - especially under Islam because literacy rate increased - also spoke of themselves.

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Speaks of the various empires who mentioned Palestine and its people. With Palestinian authors who referred themselves as Palestinians. Great book.

>Keep reading your propaganda, I'm sure you'll get a state any day now.

At least it won't be a genocidal state with apartheid laws. Even in Judenrat, the Nazi gave Jews a democratic chance to choose their own leaders. How does it feel to be worse than the Nazis? 😎

>There are no scientific evidence for connecting between Philistines and Palestinians

There is. And we got archeological evidences too.

I listed the evidences on my previous post.

But back to square one. Palestinians have been mentioned since 12th century BC and their name continued till this very day.

This book documents the evidences from various empires, from Pharaohs to Ottomans. They all talk of Palestinians and they all point to Palestine as the land they live in: Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1786998696/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_36Z9XT0YMCVNZY50GE1A

>Philistines were Greek

Maybe. Perhaps we were Canaanites, perhaps Italians, perhaps Levantines, either way, we were there 4000 years ago and we still are here. We lived in Palestine longer than any genocidal Jew or English in England or even Chinese in modern China.

>Palestinians are Arabs

Thats true.

We were Arabized by the 7th century. Just like the Herods were Arabized 😎

https://earlychurchhistory.org/politics/the-herods-were-arabs/

>Zionism is the belief that Jews have a right to live in their indigenous homeland

Nazism is the belief that Germans have a right to live in their indigenous homeland.

Anyway, you're wrong. Many countries were up for colonization. Palestine is not indigenous to "Jews", its indigenous to Palestinians who lived their for 4000 years. Jews, like Greeks, Romans, etc. came and went. Palestinians remained.

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>You have said some very antisemitic things which sadly reflects most “antizionists”.

Breathing is considered anti semitism. What can I do? When you cant take criticism, you will consider anything as anti semitism. But many have moved on from the meaningless anti semitism. If you ever cared about 'anti semitism', you'd encourage Jews to stop their crimes, because their crimes directly result in the rise of Judophobia.

Most likely you deny Nakba, genocide of Palestinians, re write history and totally ignore the brutal colonization and apartheid system of "Israel" no matter how many facts are thrown on you (you couldnt even speak against the blood libel case - thats morally worrying). You're too brainwashed.

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Anti Zionism is anti Nazism, its the same thing: https://electronicintifada.net/content/today-we-are-nazis-says-member-israeli-jewish-extremist-group/33081

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>No they didn't

Well, you either pick the book and educate yourself or you can continue ignoring it.

>Not their homeland, again Jews didn't originate in Europe.

Nor did they originate in Palestine. According to Tacitus there are 4 possibilities: Egypt, Crete (because there is an island called Idae and Judea sounds similar to the island), Assyria (i.e. Syria and Iraq) or Ethiopia. He never mentioned Judea (according to Tacitus, all of Palestine was Judea).

Here's his quote. Since you don't have his book, then see the first paragraph of this website: https://www.livius.org/sources/content/tacitus/tacitus-on-the-jews/

>Because Europe unfairly treated Jews, I agree.

At times yes, at times no. The libel cases were real, at least 150 of them (according to Wikipedia at least).

>Genetic

It doesn't. Personally I don't care what genetics say but there are other papers that will argue otherwise. So no point delving into inconclusive evidences

>archeological studies show they probably weren't from Egypt and Israelites or Jews were most likely related to Caananites.

How can archeology even show someone originated from a particular land? Lol. I have a house in China. 1000 years later, someone finds the house. Am I Chinese?! Lol.

I don't deny Jews were in Palestine (and other places concurrently) but that is hardly a sign of being native.

Canaanites dont exist today, so genetics can never prove "Israelites" are related to them that since we don't know whose DNA to use lol. Nor does the original Israelites exist either. You got two ghost communities that does not exist. Nor is their descendants known. The label "Jew" is meaningless. Plus the term "Canaan" ended by the 13th century BC. Its only the Bible that keeps mentioning them because its literally an invented tradition. A mythological "Canaan vs Israelites". The Canaanites were gone by 13th century BC. And the term served as a way to mean all indigenous population of Palestine.

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According to the Bible, Canaans were alive even in the 9th century BC, which is a total lie. The OT was written in the 7-6th century BC. And Herodotus appeared just a century later and mentions no Canaanites. His book Histories is a famous text.

>Okay, Palestinians are mixed descendants of Arabs and Caananites,

🤦‍♂️ No. Palestinians are Palestinians. They started as Palestinians. Canaanites were up north, Lebanon region. Arabs were from the south, whilst Palestinians began in the region of Gaza to Asqalan. Look up the Pentapolis of Philistia (the 5 famed cities of Palestinians).

Of course the size of Palestinian land changed over time, like an organism, and eventually the whole region was considered a geopolitical entity.

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>History has shown there is a fine line between these things.

Maybe you should Deuteronomy and Book of Joshua...? Here's a sneak peak review:

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

There is no fine line when God allegedly commands the destruction of the cities wholesale.

>Jews have historically ruled and lived in Palestine for hundreds of years

In that case, thats true. Then they left, others exiled, some remained. The indigenous population still remain Palestinian. Greeks lived in Palestine for centuries too, it would be strange to claim they are indigenous.

Before there was Judaism there was Palestine. Before there was Greek Empire, there was Palestine.

Hence why Palestinians are indigenous and lived for straight 4000 (even longer) years. There were others but they no longer exist, most likely absorbed into the Palestinian ethnicity. Jews, on the other hand, came as murderers and then left. Hardly a sign of being indigenous.

>before Tacitus wrote.

You misunderstanding my point. The fact that no one at the time, including the Jews, believed the Jews to be indigenous to Judaea is in itself a sign that even then, Jews didn't see themselves as natives. In other words if I resurrect them, and you both had a chance to talk, they would not say they are natives. Does that make sense?

>No, but it does show Jews have a historical basis for living in Palestine.

I understand what you mean but then by definition so do Greeks, Persians etc. Having a 'claim' (whatever that means) is one thing, being indigenous is another. They have no right to "return" since they aren't natives. There was a Jewish Kingdom in Yemen, are Jews natives to Yemen? No. Do they have the right to "return"? No. Why? Because they aren't natives. They are simply a footnote in Yemen's and Palestine's history. People come and go, Jews among them. They came as alleged conquerors and then they were conquered. The indigenous population remained and continues to remain.

>Assyrian exile

Random point: Arabs were first mentioned by Assyrians.

The Assyrians also called the land as "Palestine".

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