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Not a true jade, but rather portulacaria afra, aka Elephant Bush. Super cute, though. If you want it to last for a few years, it will need to be on the sill of a bright window or get supplemental lighting with a good grow light. You could buy a dedicated grow lamp (but then you’d have to put up with that awful purple light), otherwise a gooseneck desk lamp with a 100 watt equivalent CFL daylight (6500k) bulb (not LED) placed a few inches above the plant should work ok.
6500K (or as close to it as i can) compact fluorescent bulb from amazon or hardware store. Pretty inexpensive. But be sure to get as close to 6500K as you can. I usually buy these and put them in a cliplamp.
I top off mostly. About every other month I will do like an 80% water change.
For a tank that size, you can make do with a simple desk lamp with an adjustable arm and a 6500K colour temp CFL bulb with 1600 lumens, which is suitable as a growlight for plants. I've had good results in my small planted tank with this setup, just keep the light pretty close to the aquarium.
I actually just have my plants in sand so a specialty planted tank substrate isn't necessary, although of course it helps, especially with more finicky plants. If you just want to plant some easy aquatic plants like java fern, anubias, and anacharis, you probably won't need it. I've had good luck with Rotala and Alternanthera reineckii in sand too.
If you're into floaters, water spangles and amazon frogbit are relatively easy to grow, although I learned the hard way that frogbit in particular really does not like surface agitation and getting the tops of their leaves wet.
I also like duckweed, which is dead easy to grow, although most people hate it (so you've been warned) because it gets everywhere and is really hard to get rid of if you decide you don't want it.
You don't have to get an actual 'grow light' for it to work for your plants.
White light bulbs will still work fine and are much cheaper.
You can get 4 bulbs/$10 from amazon and just toss them into any light fixture that you have to pick up from good will etc. Just make sure they're physically close to your plants.
They need to be bright white with 6500k color temperature output to work with plants.
I currently use some LED shop lights that are 6500k just bright white and my plants are very happy, so much so some are blooming and it's been 3-4 months.
You can even search "grow" in the reviews for those specific bulbs, it shows people use them.
Totally doesn't have to be LED. I'm a newbie and don't want to invest too much if I end up failing hard and keeping succulents alive. Do those clamps hold well? The reviews on Amazon aren't great regarding a heavy bulb.
What are the pros of that bulb over this bulb?
I wouldn’t waste your money on them. They did nothing for my plants. I bought some bulbs from Amazon that are making my babies grow like crazy!
Philips LED 433557 Energy Saver Compact Fluorescent T2 Twister (A21 Replacement) Household Light Bulb: 6500-Kelvin, 23-Watt (100-Watt Equivalent), E26 Medium Screw Base, Daylight Deluxe, 4-Pack [link]
Well your light most certainly trumps mine! Impressive!
Here's the Daylight Deluxe. I went this route because it was on the cheaper side, I'm just getting into succulents, and it came recommended by the succulent subreddit.
Thanks for the reply!
I've read that LED grow-lights, even when labeled 'grow light', aren't strong enough. Of course, I read that after I purchased an LED light. Not sure what kind of space set-up you have, but I would highly recommend getting better lights. My set-up isn't huge, so I bought these bulbs and put them in clamp lamps. My PVN especially loves being in front of this. Also, the lights are on for 14-16 hours a day. Like I said, these things are serious light hogs.
These are the bulbs I use. I put them in clamp lamps. Hella effective. If you have a bigger set-up, I'd definitely recommend reading the wiki and grabbing one of those recommendations.
I have a normal desk lamp with appropriate bulbs and I love it over my goosenecks. You don't need to buy a fancy bulb! Just one with the right specs. Here's what I use!
If you want, these are actually great grow lights. You dont need things to be branded "grow light" which are more expensive. These have the right spectrum without the marketing. They are just called daylight deluxe. They can grow house plants just fine, probably not weed or anything else.
If you can put a lamp with one of these in it near your plants that will help.
It will work. Fluorescent lights are good because they emit a broad part of the spectrum, vs LEDs which typically produce light much closer a specific wavelength and do not emit much outside of that. Plants like the broad spectrum light, and typically 6500K is a good color temperature for plants. I use these:
Philips 433557 100-watt Equivalent, Bright White (6500K) 23 Watt Spiral CFL Light Bulb, 4-Pack [link]
That light is the right color temperature (6500k), but only puts out 550 lumens. This bulb puts out 1600 lumens at 6500k. I think you're supposed to aim for 2000k lumens per square foot.
Thanks! :) These are the bulbs I'm using, set on a 12-hour timer. They are 100-watt equivalent CFL light bulbs with an actual wattage of 23. They easily induce stress coloring in the crassula ovata 'gollum' I have propped up quite close to the bulb, and I don't experience any etiolation because I put the sun-lovers (echeveria, aeonium, sempervivum, etc) closer and the haworthia, aloe, and new propagations further away and adjust watering schedules accordingly. For the price I personally enjoy them!
(Edited to add that I didn't do a T5 fluorescent bulb setup because I prefer the smaller size and flexibility of clamp lights--I still have to do dishes at this sink, it's supposed to be my kitchen after all lol)
I'm thinking about using a clamp light or two and a pack of these [link]
They're CFL and 6500K, some of the reviews show people using them for plants. My T5 lights are 24W a piece and these are 23W so I'm thinking they'll do a pretty good job.
We'll see if it starts flowering though, the plant just started tipping from its own weight. I'm either about to start training it up or I'm gonna let grow over the side.
Those usually put out a lot of heat and hot plants are crispy plants. Manufacturers put different ratings for wattage because as bulbs become more efficient you can get the same lighting effect with less power draw... it’s all in the name of energy efficiency. In terms of cheap bulbs the ones below have pretty good specs and a few people here have had great results with them
Philips 433557 100-watt Equivalent, Bright White (6500K) 23 Watt Spiral CFL Light Bulb, 4-Pack [link]
Yeah mines definitely not there yet either lol
I’ve picked up fallen leaves at Home Depot twice and now I have a lot of them that I’m going to try to grow! I’m sure he will be impressed when/if they grow!
Someone here linked some bulbs that were 4/$10 on amazon and I think they could go into a regular lamp you might already have!
Thank you for your suggestion. is this a good start?
Philips 433557 100-watt Equivalent, Bright White (6500K) 23 Watt Spiral CFL Light Bulb:
I just got these lightbulbs and popped them into two normal lights. :)
You just have to make sure its in the right color. I don't use LED so I wouldn't know too much about that. I like the T5 or these T2 bulbs since they are 6500K
To answer your two questions:
Yes, you should use a low Nitrogen after the first 2 weeks (really, 1.5 weeks for an indica, 2.5-3 weeks for sativa). Mid flower, you want heavy Phosphorus, late flower, you want heavy Potassium (K).
For sure, you want a light in the proper veg temp range (6500K) that puts out more lumens than the UFO. But it wouldn't hurt to also use the UFO, as it supplies a fuller spectrum, better for overall health. I mentioned CFLs because they're the cheapest but for a bin type grow they seem like a must, definitely do some research here. Want bulbs like these, typically 100w per plant is ideal, 75w works. Anymore than 100w per plant increases results for sure.
I'd also even switch to 2,100K CFLs in flower to supplement the UFO.
The heat from an HID would probably be too intense, you're right. I'd stick with CFLs + the UFO until you can/want to invest into a bigger/better setup :).
Sounds good on the outdoor grow, keep us posted bro
I have this light bulb in it!
They are fluorescent! It's one of these
I bought the reflectors along with the bulbs
I just use 23w 6500K CFL bulbs like this on my fuge. I put them in a standard metal dome reflector. I wouldn't see why you would need anything more complicated than that.
Any particular reason you're separately growing the pods and phyto instead of just keeping a fuge?
Go for these (same 4-pack of lights, just different retailers):
For any type of lighting you'll want blue spectrum (6500k) for seedlings/veg and red spectrum (2700k) for flower.
If you look at builds on spacebuckets.com you can usually find the materials linked by u/ekrof. In my bacon bucket build, there is a link direct to amazon for the veg lights. Same idea but in the 3200K range for flower.
My set-up isn't huge, so I bought these bulbs and put them in clamp lamps.
I use these (I know this is a 4 pack, but you can find them individually in store) bulbs placed in this clamp lamp. Super cheap. Super easy. Hella effective.
I use these bulbs and put them in clamp lamps.
Usually you will need a bright source of light, and the window glass will cut the amount of rays that make it through so sunny windows will usually not be enough for getting your seedlings tall enough. I have bought expensive grow lights and they are great (very powerful!), but I have found buying very bright light bulbs and clips is a cost effective solution that works just as well. It doesn't look as professional, but I don't have the budget for $30/bulb lol.
These lightbulbs have been great for me, and then I usually rig them up with either a pendant cord or a clip light. If you want to get more bang for your buck with the cords/clips, you can do a 3 way splitter like this. I have this set up for the most part in my growing station, and just suspend the lights from the next shelf up. You can also put hooks in the ceiling, but we just painted ours 6 months ago so I can't bear the thought of drilling into them yet.
Do you guys have any desk lamp recommendations? :o
thinking of getting this light bulb: [link] ,
and was looking for a desklamp to go with it
cheap light. They go for $ 5-10 at a hardware store, or dollar store/discount store
6500K grow bulb for the fixture $ 10 for a 4 pack amazon prime.
This might look a little ghetto, but itl totally get you started on a half dozen plants.
Go on amazon and find some CFL bulbs in the 6500K spectrum. I use bulbs like this. If you search around a bit more, you can find them in larger bulk packs. These are just over $4 each, which isn’t bad.
Here’s a simple housing for it.
A few of these bad boys, clamped to a shelf makes a nice plant nursery. I did it for years until I got a nice T5. I used em for seed starting, clones, baby plants, and orchids.
Just a run of the mill 6500K compact fluorescent bulb. Here's a 4-pack on amazon , although if you can, maybe support a local hardware store instead.
Yes, but my accent lights are also grow lights.
These bulbs, or really any bulb over 5000k and 1000 lumens, are great for plant growth. They just lack the branding as "grow bulbs".
Fluorescent bulbs work best. But as the other commenter said, light really only tells the mushrooms which direction to grow in. Ambient light works fine.
If it helps, i have one of those multi arm lights like this: [link] which was like $20 on sale at target 10 years ago... And some light bulbs from lowes - which appear to now be out of stock, but are on amazon at [link] ($14.49 for 4) - basically, just look for 6500k in the description of the LED. Tons cheaper than most grow light setups, and they work! Especially if you can combine with any amount of sunlight. Hopefully that saves you the lonnnnng time it took me to dig through threads to find, lol. Lemme know any questions!
I have these two bulbs/lights in my bookmarks. They have the right specs, so something to compare it to if you want to look at your local hardware store or something. I also currently use this light, I don't hang it though, it literally just sits on top of a metal wire shelf (It is attached to the ceiling but that was a precaution as I didn't want it falling off because cats and you never know when an earthquake is going to hit). Using a metal shelving unit like that can make hanging lights pretty easy, even ones like this can just be zip tied. And there's even longer ones depending on how extensive your collection is/is going to get (Which are the same lights used here in that redditer's setup which I think looks so fucking SWEET and it's now my dream set up for the future, and the user just put them up with heavy duty double sided tape of all things???).
I have these set on a timer for about 14 hours per day. They are positioned about 3-5 inches above the plants (depending on plant height).
6500 k is the color is what your looking for
These are the one I got Philips 433557 100-watt Equivalent, Bright White (6500K) 23 Watt Spiral CFL Light Bulb, 4-Pack [link]
this one [link]
I buy mine on Amazon, lol
Can you link me an example of what an "actual" grow light is? These are [link]
Thanks so much for the reply! Do these seem like the right type of CFLs?
My lights are in the living room (aka dining room but it's one big room) and I'm pretty sure they'd be considered invasive (red/blue LEDs) �� Here's my newest set-up. I just got this rack today so since taking this ive been moving and rearranging everyone to find the perfect spots for each lol.
It really depends on how many plants you have. One arrangement/2-3 smaller plants would do ok with one of these. I'm considering getting one or two of these to supplement for my aeonium kiwi that refuses to develop the pretty stress colors like they do in direct sun. If you have more (5+) I'd suggest a light similar to the one on my lowest shelf--maybe a fixture with 2-4 6500k t5 bulbs. Make sure you get yourself a timer for the light(s) as well! Mine are kept on for 16 hours a day while they're stuck inside for the random cold nights.
Sounds like you are going in the right direction! I don't know too much about the color spectrum but I know you want it to be around 6500K which has worked really well for me. I use t5 lights but a T2 bulb like this and a desk lamp or clamp light would work well too for 3 plants.
I use this one. Not sure about the ID though, sorry! But thank you :)
Would any 6500k cfl work, or does it need to specify that it's for growing? For instance, would this work?
My 1200 is a tube, and it's a t12 which is a bit outdated. But I found these! It says each bulb is 1600 lumens.
6500K (Daylight) CFL
Something like this
But you will eventually need a better light, LED or HPS.
TL;DR: Is 2000 lumen (daylight CFL and red & blue LED combined, 4" above the plants, giving 10000~15000 lux) enough for succulents like Echeveria?
The picture is from last week. Now I have about a dozen 2" succulents, in addition to a few successful propagations, including Echeveria hybrids, Lithops, Haworthia hybrids, Baby Toes, Key Lime Plant, Graptopetalum, colorful sedum-looking ones, Baby Necklace, really cute red Jade, Moonstones, ... And hopefully the Oscularia deltoides cutting grows some roots soon.
Unfortunately, my apartment gets almost no sunlight indoor or in the balcony. If the succulents are anywhere near the windows, my cat thinks they are all hers. Thankfully she doesn't play with anything on my desk, and having the chubby leaves on my desk makes me really happy, so I decided to keep the plants on my desk.
The problem is that the plants don't get any sunlight at all. I set up one 23W CFL, 100W-equivalent and one 5W LED grow light right next to each other, about 4 inches above the plants. According to a light meter app on my phone, the plants get 10000~15000lx. Both of the lights are on for 14 hours a day. These are the only light source for the plants, since they don't get any sunlight.
Have anybody tried a setup like this? Would this be enough to keep the succulents happy and healthy? Will the Echeveria hybrids get etiolated? Approximately how many lumens do I need to cover one square foot area?
So just want to ask a final question before I pull the trigger on lighting. Would these 23w 6500k cfl lights
with this fixture
Be ok to maintain moderate to high light plants? Assuming I place one fixture with one light on top of the tank?
thats a bit out of my price range, I was thinking of something more like this. [link]
Hey HomeHydro! Thank you so so much for the detailed reply; I can see that you are very passionate about helping people get into hydroponics, and I, for one, really appreciate it! (On a side note, I read below that you're working on a guide to getting started. I wonder if you'd like an extra set of eyes to edit it once you're done? I have a lot of experience with writing and publishing and would be happy to offer my copy editing skills in exchange for the help you've already given me.)
Anyway, I think you're right that these lights are underpowered and would produce sub par produce :). I'll probably bail on them, especially as I don't have any starts itching to be upgraded at the moment.
Regarding fluorescent lighting: the lighting system I have actually relies on standard CFLs, similar to these. The final setup looks a bit more sophisticated than this. It cost ~$50 with supplies left over for a second setup and I'm fairly pleased with the results in my small DWC setup. I am very interested in building a DIY T5 system, but couldn't figure out how to do it with my limited knowledge of electrical systems. Guides that I've found online are quite poor in explaining the wiring aspect. If you have any information about building a DIY T5 system fully from scratch, I'd be very interested in hearing it! Alternatively, if you can suggest hydroponics-specific lights that would cover a 4x2' area for $50-100, please let me know! :)
Would this be good?
or should i be looking at some different bulbs?
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