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You aren’t going to get much low end on bookshelf speakers, something to think about in the future is adding a sub - research crossovers and incorporate it properly but that’s for down the line.
What amp are you currently using? Do you want active or passive?
I’d recommend getting these speakers. There is some great value there and then you will have room in the budget for a sub. You can usually find good deals on subs on Craigslist.
/r/budgetaudiophile is also a great sub to check for resources. Post your local Craigslist there and there is a ton of knowledge on there.
You can get the BS22s for $98 on Amazon.
They frequently drop to $85 (pair), at which price they're a bargain.
But I agree, the Fluance SX6 are a good choice too under 200. :)
> Technics SU-V98
This was actually one of the few bright spots Technics had as far as receivers go. I would definitely hang onto it and get some higher quality bookshelves. $150 CAD doesnt get what it does here unfortunately.
Pioneer BS22 might be the best available option for that price. The Fluance SX6 are a good choice too if you can go to $175.
I would start looking for used bookshelves as well.
Pioneer BS-22LR are usually my recommendation for new speakers. I have them myself- they're versatile and sound great. I wasn't able to find any specs on the HK's output power, but the Pioneer speakers aren't hugely inefficient. I've run them off my little class-T amp in a pinch so I think you're probably fine.
It depends on your seating. If it's you alone in the sweet spot 2.0 will work just fine. If you or someone else is sitting off angle a center would be the way to go.
I would look at Pioneer BS22 for $99/pair
The Pioneers would give you a little more low end than the Miccas and to me they sound better. Especially if you go initially without a sub the extra low end will be nice. However, the center (The C22) some say is lacking but it sounds fine in my setup. I haven't listened to the Micca center.
25 is ok, but it's like right at the edge of not really being enough. There's no magic number, because your amp needs are based on your speaker's needs, but more like 35-40 and you've got more flexibility.
They're not as nice looking but I think highly of these cheap bookshelf speakers by Pioneer.
I also like Paradigm and Wharfedale for a bit more.
But, there's no ceiling, is the thing. You can always do a bit better for another couple hundred bucks, or five hundred, or a thousand. That said, a hundred for speakers and a hundred for an amp is kinda the very minimum threshold, if you're buying new.
Not sure about Canada Availability but i have a pair of these in my bar:
and am quite happy with the overall sound quality. I think i found mine used on ebay or amazon i dont remember. I would recommend those for the money sincerely. I blew my hearing in my teens and these still get bright enough for me.
At that budget, I'd go for the Pioneer SP-BS22LR. They're great, versatile speakers- I use them myself. They periodically go on sale for $100, but if you don't want to wait Amazon has some used ones for under $100. (I found mine used at a pawn shop for $68, but I got a bit lucky with that price).
I have these and they sound good.. they're pretty highly recommended for the price range.
others may disagree but I like them.
Amazon.ca is the only Canadian retailer that sells Miccas, so Ebay or Craigslist might be your only shot until they restock. Or if you live close to the border, maybe find a package receiving service that can take packages from Amazon.com.
Not sure if you've already considered them, but the Pioneer BS22 bookshelves are priced equivalent to the Micca MB42x and are also highly-regarded. They are a larger speaker with a different (supposedly darker) sound than the Miccas, though.
I have a pair of these Pioneer bookshelf speakers and they sound awesome. Would absolutely recommend them, and they're only $130 (and sometimes go on sale for much less).
I’m in the market for new/used bookshelf speakers, and I have a budget of $150.
These speakers will primarily be used for my Technics SL-Q210 turntable paired with a Technics SU-Z2 Stereo Integrated Amplifier. The amplifier’s output only uses speaker wire.
I will primarily play blues/jazz with occasional hip hop, and I plan for the speakers to be about a 2.5 feet away from me, right outside my desk.
I’m currently looking at these
Alex Jones Pioneer speakers, but I’d like to know if there’s anything better at this price point, new or used.
The Pioneer SP-BS22 Andrew Jones designed bookshelves. Great sound for such a cheap speaker, and I was truly amazed, because not a fan of Japanese company speakers at all. But these are the real deal.
Noob question incoming: Could I connect the Pioneer SP-BS22-LRs to a receiver using speaker wire? Reviews says it uses banana plugs but I have a vintage receiver, and I'm 95% sure it doesn't have attachments for the plugs.
These? Is that for a pair? It seems like it is but its not explicitly stated anywhere...
Well, do you want 2.1, 3.1, or 5.1 currently? Obviously, if the budget is only for 2.1, you will get better speakers, but it of course will cost more to expand.
Just letting you know, the cheapest sub which is good (gets below 30Hz, has good power output, and doesn't sound bad) is the BIC America F12, which is $210. The next step down is the BIC Venturi 10", which is $170. You could also check Craigslist, I recently got a Klipsch sub-12 for $100, thing is a beast.
If you want to start at a 2.1, get the F12 sub and the Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers for $90 (if you don't have Amazon Prime, get the Micca MB42X's for $90). If you want 3.1 or 5.1, let me know.
Yeah, unfortunately I blew mine out a few months ago but they sound alright if I don't crank them up too loud. I was thinking about getting these. From what I've read online, they seem to be good for me. You have any suggestions?
Does anybody have any recommendations for floor standing stands for the Pioneer Andrew Jones bookshelf speakers? I can't wall mount them for various reasons, and they're kinda oddly shaped. They'll be on wood floors, and I'd really like them to be extremely stable. Thanks!
These will work: [link]
With your current ones, if you connect them to Tape 1 Rec, plug your turntable into phono 1, select phono and set rec out selector to phono you might be able to get it to work, but you will need to adjust the volume on the speakers.
Any chance of convincing him on using these as his satellites: [link]
Those are going to have a much better sound, though I know they'd be a good step up in cost. They're still quite budget, though. Likely be much happier in the end. There's a matching center, too.
recently got some Pioneer BS22s on sale on amazon for $90,
good entry level speakers also.
yea what billy said about Dacs, u may or may not need one. If u decide to get one consider whether u want one that is 24 bit capable or not. Not a lot more $ for a 24 bit dac. More and more music is being released in 24 bit Flac format.
Craigslist is great. I look up items from CL on eBay and see what they sold for, get an idea what ppl are paying for said item. (click the "items sold" box). most receivers and similar size items are usually $25 - $50 or more to ship, so add that to the price.
A few people around here sell stuff on CL and advertise you are welcome to try stuff out before you buy. At minimum ask if you can here/see something working if possible. If you live in or close to a big city CL can be great. If ur not in a hurry and check back often. People move and sell stuff like a fire sale. Look in the pictures for what kind of state the people selling stuff live in. If you see crap and dust all over, maybe not so good :)
definitely turn speakers all around and listen for anything loose or rattling around, even new ones
In that range I'd get the Pioneer's. They won't be the end all be all of bass response, but everything else they do fairly well.
You can always add a subwoofer to fill out the bottom end.
4.5 stars with over 1100 reviews. That should say something.
OP, get some real speakers. If they have plastic cabinets, they're junk. I would highly recommend a low end receiver from any of the major manufacturers (Pioneer, Sony, Yamaha), a pair of book shelf speakers and a powered subwoofer. I own these and to me they rival speakers 5 times their price.
You will get such better sound out a dedicated receiver/speaker set up. The low end market is so competitive right now; there are so many good deals.
For that price, I'd recommend doing a scan of any local used electronics shops and thrift stores--you may be surprised with what you find. For new, there are lots of options, but mostly a lot of the same--you could get these pair of passive speakers for relatively cheap. Passive speakers tend to run cheaper than active speakers BUT you will have to buy an amp to power the speakers (not to be confused with a preamp--which I believe the LP120 has built-in).
Yeah on top of that cabinet is way too high. In general the tweeters should be located at ear height in the main listening position. I'm guessing there is no "main listening position" in this application. Your idea to mount them in the top corners should be fine but might be difficult. They'll need to be 45 degrees AND angled down to the center of the room. I never asked if you will primarily be using this for music or TV watching. If TV primarily you might want a center channel speaker mounted directly below it. Of course this would mean buying an AVR instead of a stereo receiver. However you can find older used AVR's really cheap on CL in most areas. Just food for thought. If space permits you also might consider using tower speakers instead like these [link] which are very good.
I haven't tried them personally, but those are the ones the waxbandit was referring to. My understanding is that they're very good to someone who hasn't experienced Extremely good speakers, because after that you get spoiled and know what you're missing out on. Probably the best bang for the buck available if you're buying new. Since they're lacking bass, it would be important to get mounting and positioning done well. Coupled well to the floor and I'm sure you've come across the triangular speaker/listener arrangement. Tinker with the toe a bit and I bet they're wicked. I was thinking of picking up a set to see if I could get by without the honkers I have now.
Edit: Oh shit, didn't realize the were not available in the UK... I wonder what it'd cost to get them shipped from someplace on an auction site.
I think the Audio Technica comes with an amp built in... at least I think I heard that. And what about these pioneer speakers? I heard they are really good and I would be willing to save up if you agree.
The Pioneer BS22's are on sale for $100 right now too. These or either of the two Zeos mentioned would be a good option.
If you're more of a bass head the Pioneers will be better. If you're not or you're limited on space look at the others. If you better highs the Micca's are the way to go.
I would go for the X2200W because it features Denon's MultiEQ XT, while the S910W only has MultiEQ. The XT will drastically help when calibrating the speakers, especially since you want 7.1 and atmos. I would definitely go with the X200W if you can get it for only $100 more.
Do you know the Polk speakers you are thinking about? I have heard the Andrew Jones designed Pioneer speakers are good. Atmos is available for these as either an add-on or comes with certain bookshelf speakers. Amazon does not indicate if certain prices are for pairs. If the prices are, then you could get two towers, sub, two bookshelf speakers for rear, and two atmos add-ons for the tops of the towers for about $800. If the prices are not for pairs, then add about $300 more. Perhaps more people can chime in about other speakers with atmos that would fit your budget.
Here is the link to the amazon purchase: [link]
Denon's website shows the X2200W at $800. Adding the speakers, you would be around $1600 without tax, if applicable, or about $1900 depending on the statement above. I would also recommend a power conditioner instead of a surge protector at this level. Look around for a good one that is reasonably priced.
Good luck! My father was sitting in a room with atmos speakers and ducked when a helicopter flew overhead in the movie.
Others may weigh in, but usually I see the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR recommended at the ~$100 USD price point. Not sure what that is in maple leaf dollars atm though but seems to be probably around what you're looking for.
If you're still looking to buy a pair of these they're back for sale at 98.91 before promo code. Or 99.99 at Amazon.
Soundbars suck. Full stop.
Pioneer Andrew Jones are hard to beat. The problem is that most good speakers aren't going to be powered, so you'll need an amp as well.
For that price you can get the Pioneer's at your local Best Buy or on amazon: [link]
EI'd get these instead of the miccas: [link] and eventually complete the system, with the exception of a Dayton sub.
Or spend a bit more and build an infinity primus system
You can save some money and get these: Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones Designed Bookshelf Loudspeakers [link]
They're considered the best cheap bookshelf speakers just above the Micca MB42Xs
I assumed by "Home Theater" that 5.1 is what you meant...2 channels does not make a home theater, but at least we're being practical.
>The boston Craigslist market is pretty robust
Not in your price range. Everything I see is crap, and you'd be better off buying the "cheapest recommended system" in the OP, though I'd consider trading the Miccas for these Pioneer's. It's a toss up as to which is better, the Miccas will get louder, but they aren't necessarily better at normal volumes. The Pioneer's are a little more limited in overall output, so if you really like to crank it and are throwing a party in the kitchen, you might find them lacking. Your call.
Hi guys! I have a Realitics STA-2270 receiver and a Techniques sl-d20 turntable. I believe that the receiver is 120W and 8 ohms. My question is what wattage of speakers do I need?
Would these: [link]
be ok? If not, could you guys give me a suggestion or two in the $200 or less range?
No problem. I was there once too.
Here's a thread/article reviewing current production bookshelf speakers. If you are looking new, and your budget it ~$100, then your best bet is the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR. It's well reviewed and has been dubbed a budget audiophile speaker. I have a pair of the larger (but very similar) SP-FS52-LR in my A/V setup and they do sound pretty good.
Amazon, Best Buy, B&H Photo and others will have then on sale for $100 or less about every 4-6 weeks. You can set up an alert at camelcamelcamel.com to notify about a price drop. If they go on sale at Amazon, then it probably means they are on sale elsewhere as well.
If you get new speakers do you want to use them with both your computer and your TT or just your TT. If you just want to use them with the TT buy these.
Slightly over $100 but they are great little speakers.
Those speakers are surprisingly good. They're the previous years version of these (can't find a lot of info on the older models anymore). They were designed by Andrew Jones to be the best budget speakers available.
I've had the AVR-1613 for about 3 years now and it works really well. I have it paired with these Pioneer speakers and they sound great.
Airplay for audio,
Front HDMI port,
Not as crazy config options like other Denon receivers
Airplay is ethernet only. Not wireless,
Favors HDMI inputs. 4 rear, 1 front. No component input. 2 analog video inputs,
On screen menu looks pretty crappy
Overall it's been great. Hope that helps!
You can get the floorstanding Pioneer speakers right now for the same price as the bookshelf ones:
I did a lot of online research before buying my speakers and these were always highly recommended.
Not recommended. I'm not a huge fan of the Andrew Jones line as is but the first generation is really not worth the money. I'd avoid those. If you feel drawn towards them for some reason consider the second gen: [link]
Ok, I found them on Amazon and decided that I wanted the floor standing speakers instead (if they are pretty much the same thing) because I don't really have a place to put the bookshelf speakers. So, I could get that and the center speaker, and the subwoofer (both on that page) and be set? Do I need the center speaker? Can I use the center speakers, sub, and two side speakers from my previous surround sound?
Thanks for all your help. Also, pretend like my budget isn't $350, but stay around this level of speakers. I will probably splurge (invest).
I think I am looking for some tube warmth in the whole set up, not just for the headphones. Any recommendations on brands for a sub $250 preamp? Is a preamp in that budget not going to make any difference?
I am using the receiver with speakers. I've got these Pioneers set up now.
Okay. If I were going to go the small speaker route, I've already got these Pioneer BS22 LRs which are awesome speakers.
Yes, it is. I know someone who has one. It has a built-in phono preamp, but you don't want to use it while the one in the turntable is on. If you use the turntable's preamp, you plug in the turntable on another input besides "phono". That receiver would be a good fit for these highly-regarded speakers which are on sale right now -
I currently have two Sony midsize speakers (tower-ish) from the 90's and I was looking to upgrade to these Pioneer SP-BS22-LR speakers
I know there will be a loss of base and overall loudness, but I am really looking for an upgrade in the quality of the sound. Am I making the right purchase if i go forth?
I am running a technics SL-DB20 with series III cartridge, for reference
Does the link have those or no? How about the Pioneer sp-bs22-lr What do you think would be better/easier set up.
I just upgraded to monitor audio bronze bx2, normally $500, on sale at audio advisor (non affiliated) for $359. They're fantastic. If you're not looking to spend that much, grab these, they're pretty universally lauded as great for the price:
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones Designed Bookshelf Loudspeakers
I really appreciate all the responses you gave me, and in such a timely manner too!
I decided to go a bit over budget and am considering the following 3.1 setup:
Denon s530BT AVR: https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrs530bt/denon-avr-s530bt-5.2-ch-x-70-watts-bluetooth-a/v-receiver/1.html
Pioneer speakers L/R: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008NCD2LG
Pioneer speaker C: https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-C22-Designed-Channel-Speaker/dp/B008NCD2EI/
BIC F12 subwoofer: https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M
Although I was flip-flopping between the Miccas and Pioneers, but from what I read in multiple threads/comments, the pioneer edged out in terms of popularity even though it's a bit costlier!
OP, this will be long, but please stay with me, I promise there will be some good info here.
There are a few more things that would be helpful to know. Are you looking for a surround sound 5.1 system, or just a soundbar? If you are wanting a full surround setup, do you have the space to set this up properly? Room size / acoustics will definitely play a huge role in how any system will sound.
As you are aware, you are severely limited on what you can get for $200. Is it possible you can increase this at all or are you set firmly at 200?
I say that because you can get a decent Vizio soundbar as many are suggesting in this thread, but you are only going to get so much sound out of a limited space enclosure like that.
You can get a decent 5.1 surround receiver, networked even for under $200, refurbished and you may be even looking at $100. These will be no frills, entry level, but will be more than adequate for your needs.
Here is a new Harmon Kardon that is on sale at Newegg, as of now, for $180.00 with free shipping.
Please note that I am only making suggestions. I'm a pretty big audiophile myself and have a great sounding system, but I did my homework. I suggest doing the same.
www.avsforum.com is your friend. If you do a search for any model number receiver, speaker set/soundbar in that forum, you are likely to find a owners review thread that has a bunch of dorks like all of us here and will glady tell you all about it. Do the same with searching for any particular model on Amazon as well and read through those reviews. I know this research seems like a pain in the ass, but time is money and you have to figure out how important that is to you. I tend to want the best I can get for what I can afford and will spend the time making that happen.
www.slickdeals.net is also your friend. It's a great resource before purchasing anything major, really and has pretty much any sale that any major brick and mortar or online retailer has going on. If you find something specific, sign up for an alert on their site and they will let you know as soon as it is on sale somewhere.
Assuming you can't increase your budget, you can still likely find a refurbished Onkyo receiver for around $100. A good rule of thumb is to buy as good of a receiver as you can afford, and start off with some decent bookshelf speakers in a 2.0 setup. This way, if you decide to upgrade, you can then move those bookshelfs to surrounds in your setups and possibly add a center channel and sub on top of that.
These Pioneer Andrew Jones are highly regarded as very good sounding budget speakers. The slickdeals site has an expired link where they were on sale for $88 a few weeks ago, they are back up to $126 now though, so a bit over your budget if you find a $100 receiver.
My final suggestion and the one I would be all over myself with a limited budget, but will be dependent upon what connections you have on your TV, as the PS4 no longer has RCA inputs, would be these JBL SR305 studio monitor speakers from Amazon on sale for $224 for the pair.
Simply put, these things sound amazing. I purchased a pair for my Pops as an alternative to Sonos last xmas. These are power monitor speakers meaning they already have their own powered source and do not require to be hooked up to an amp/receiver. I connected them to a Chromecast audio for a nearly wireless streaming audio solution and it has worked flawless since.
I tested them out first in my living room with my 7.2 setup and the pair of JBL's have more of a fuller/wider soundstage than my current $1,500+ setup.Their clarity and tonal characteristics were simply flawless for speakers in this price range and I promise you they will put anything that has been suggested in your range to shame. I cannot fluff them enough.
The only issue involves connecting them to your TV and that will be dependent upon what connections it has. I'm still not entirely sure how it's done myself, but you will not find better sound out there, period for $225. I believe, if you have a headphone / 3.5 mm jack on your tv, that the JBL's can be connected via that 3.5 mm to a dual a XLR splitter cable leading into the inputs on both speakers.
I like to think that would work, and I know it will sound incredible, but maybe someone else could verify for me if that particular connection would be possible. It will hands down blow away any soundbar for that price and the Pioneers I suggested in this thread as well. The low end is even sufficient enough as to where you wouldn't need to connect a sub later on.
Good luck and feel free to shoot me a pm if you have any questions.
For those looking for a very good budget speaker, Amazon has the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR on sale for $79.99/pr. This is close to the historical low for Amazon:
Buy the R-S201BL that you linked + these bookshelves. If you have a bit more of a budget, get these floorstander instead (you will need to buy two).
There's nothing interesting in terms of bookshelves in your local area. I'd up your budget a tiny bit and look at these [link]
If you like the neutral sound and linear frequency response of AAMs but want smaller and can give up some low end:
DIY: Add around $50 for supplies and then tools if you don't have them. Kit includes pre-cut cabinets. Glue, solder, paint, assemble. Comparable to built speakers costing two to three times as much.
Since you are within the 30 days and if you don't mind a return or exchange for some larger speakers better for room listening for sound quality for around the same price:
For any bookshelf (a misnomer) consider some speaker stands for Speaker Placement for Stereo Music Listening.
Affordable Dayton Audio SSMB24 or Monoprice Glass. Sturdy 4 column Monolith by Monoprice Speaker Stands or 3 column Pangea Audio LS300 All Steel Speaker Stands can both be filled with lead shot, sand or kitty litter for anti-resonance and stability.
I have these
I basically thrifted all that from facebook marketplace for $45 total. I'm in an apartment so I'm not looking to blast music super loud at the moment. Both reciver and speakers could obviously be better, but I think they were good for that dirt cheap price.
The schiit preamp will be the most expensive part of my set up by far since the turntable itself was only $20. The garbage pile preamp is the first thing that needs to be replaced, I think.
All three of those carts look excellent and within the price range for what I want to do.
$25 for $79 speakers is good, however they are small 3" speakers similar to small 3" computer speaker size for near field listening. For in room listening, at least 4" and 5.25" or 6.5" will be better if you can. Or start with the Mackies until you find something better used and then move the Mackies to your computer or a small room or bedroom.
I recommend first looking for a used stereo or AV receiver and a used pair of bookshelf speakers.
Separate components allows you to upgrade one at a time later.
Lowest budget mini amp and speakers are $50: 6-1/2" 2-Way Bookshelf Speaker Pair and Hi-Fi Mini Amplifier Bundle.
Or a step up mini amp and speakers, $52 SMSL SA-36A Pro TPA3118D2DAP Stereo Amplifier 2 x 20W with $50 Dayton Audio B652-AIR 6-1/2" 2-Way Bookshelf Speaker with AMT Tweeter Pair. Add speaker wire, and see 4 Ways to Strip Wire - wikiHow.
Or a factory refurbished receiver with a one year manufacturer warranty:
Then used or new bookshelf speakers:
If you have to go with new powered speakers:
Speaker Stands: Size to get speaker center or tweeter at ear height from your seated listening position. Affordable Dayton Audio SSMB24 or Monoprice Glass. Sturdy Monolith by Monoprice can be filled with lead shot, sand or kitty litter. Also Audio Advisor where most are also available at Amazon.
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How cheap? For a low budget, best to first see what you can find used.
Low budget new:
Better on sale:
DIY: Build your own from a kit. Add around $50+ for tools and supplies. Kits includes pre-cut cabinets. Glue, solder, paint, assemble. Comparable to built speakers costing twice as much.
Yes, get the SL-230 and throw on a new stylus. Look for a vintage 70s receiver, maybe $100 to $200 to go with it.
Or modern factory refurbished with a one year manufacturer warranty:
Stereo: With phono inputs.
AV receiver if ever also using the setup with a TV for the 4K HDMI switching, even with just 2 speakers.
Or Powered Speakers, Fluance Ai60 6.5", $250 with coupon.
Subwoofers on sale.
Speaker Wire: Pure Copper Oxygen Free 16 Gauge Speaker Wire 50 ft, and cut to size with self adjusting wire strippers or 4 Ways to Strip Wire - wikiHow, then optionally add banana plugs. Or already with banana plugs, Micca 6 or 12ft.
Speaker Stands: Sturdy Monolith by Monoprice or lower budget Dayton Audio SSMB24 and Monoprice Glass Also Audio Advisor where most are also available at Amazon. Size to get speaker center or tweeter at ear height from your seated listening position.
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1) Speaker Pairs:
AV receiver: For use with a TV for the 4K HDMI switching.
Speakers on sale:
Subwoofers: On Sale.
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR - $97
ONKYO TX-8020 - $100
Fluance RT82 Reference High Fidelity Vinyl Turntable - $300
This system will both meet your budget and sound great. This turntable has a motor that automatically measures and adjusts the speed in order to keep your records playing at the correct speed. This is an area where most modern turntable have problems. With this system you can also easily upgrade each component. A step up from the Pioneer speakers could be the Klipsch R15Ms that run about $150. Some feel that they're too bright though.
What is your total budget?
For the best value, consider looking for everything used first. Vintage 70s turntables are often great. Or if you can't find everything used a mix of used and new.
Best value new, Fluance RT82 with Ortofon OM 10 $299 for the optical sensor speed controlled motor for lower wow and flutter and speed variation specs than the LP120 and most other new turntables for under $500 and never needs manual speed checks and adjustments. It also has auto stop and an external belt drive. A later optional upgrade is an acrylic platter for around $99 as seen on the $499 RT85 when Fluance gets it in stock and starts selling it on its own. Skip the older RT80 and RT81 that do not have the speed sensor and need manual speed checks and adjustments.
If going with the LP120, get the newer X version LP120X that may have an improved internal phono preamp and switch.
Better Receiver: All listed below have a phono input. A later optional upgrade is a Schiit Mani $129.
Factory refurbished stereo receivers with a one year manufacturer warranty:
If ever using with a TV, an AV receiver for the 4K HDMI switching, high pass crossover for the speakers when adding a subwoofer, and Audyssey Multi EQ room correction and speaker setup with included microphone. Then the option to add a center speaker for better dialog and side speakers for surround sound.
Better speakers: For anything larger than a small room. Get the best speakers you can afford and add the subwoofer later.
Towers: Jamo S 805 Single 5" $129, Boston A250 Dual 5.25" $225 pair bogo.
Subwoofer: For a medium to large room, consider getting the best 5.25" or 6.5" speakers you can afford and adding a subwoofer later. You don't need it right away and it is best to start with better speakers.
Or look for some used speakers under $100 that were originally over $200.
Yes, the Micca MB42X over the Dayton Audio B652.
The better of the Daytons are the AIRs with the AMT Tweeter Dayton Audio B652-AIR 6-1/2" 2-Way Bookshelf Speaker with AMT Tweeter Pair $50.
If going with the Micca MB42X there is also the possibly better 4" Pioneer SP-BS22-LR $96 if you have the space for the bit larger cabinets.
If you have a large enough desk area, next step up is 5.25":
DIY speaker kits, build your own: Add around $75+ for tools and supplies. Kits includes pre-cut cabinets. Glue, solder, paint, assemble. Comparable to built speakers costing twice as much.
Consider looking for a used stereo or AV receiver. I keep mine on a small 18x18x18 Ikea like table under my desk or on the small or taller table off to the side of my desk.
Or class A/B instead of a digital amp.
Or digital amps better than the leipai.
Look used first, used stereo or AV receiver and a pair of used bookshelf speakers.
Receiver: Manufacturer refurbished with a one year manufacturer warranty:
Speaker wire: Pure Copper Oxygen Free 16 Gauge Speaker Wire 50 ft, and self adjusting wire strippers with optional banana plugs to add. Or already with banana plugs, Micca.
Speaker Positioning: How to position your speakers for great • Speaker Placement for Stereo Music Listening
Speaker stands: Dayton Audio SSMB24, Monoprice Glass or heavy Monolith by Monoprice. Also Audio Advisor where most are also available at Amazon. Size to get speaker center or tweeter at ear height while seated.
Home Audio Guides: Intro to home stereo systems • Zeos Tutorials, Diagrams and Videos • Guide to Home Audio • AverageJoeAudiophile's Guides
Also check out r/BudgetAudiophile and the 2 top sticky posts.
Upgrade to the 22s then Pioneer SP-BS22 $96? Or upgrade the tweeters?
Rear ported if you have the room, Infinity Reference 152 $140 refurbished.
Or try some front ported Wavecrest Audio HVL-1, order on sale at Ascend $80 each + shipping.
I use the compact Ascend HTM-200s on my desk I found used half price.
$150 to $200:
DIY: Kit includes pre-cut cabinets. Glue, solder, paint, assemble. Comparable to built speakers costing at least twice as much.
Were I you I'd go this rout and save for a sub-woofer later if you decide you still need one.
Micca OriGain AD250 (refurbished) - $80
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones Designed Bookshelf - $99
Edit: to elaborate, this amp has both USB and optical inputs you can run from your computer and get a better sound. It also has an analog input you can use with another source (phone, turntable, cd player, etc).
Which model receiver? Old can be good and amps haven’t changed that much. You can get better sound quality passive speakers for the same budget as powered.
Best to first look for used speakers first on kijiji.ca. Or canuckaudiomart.com may have a few budget deals mixed in with higher end stuff. Some Canadian speaker brands to look for are PSB or Paradigm besides many other brands, KEF, Polk, Klipsch etc.
Canadian Fluance: Elite Series High Definition Two-way Bookshelf Loudspeakers $173 CAD or Signature Series HiFi Two-way Bookshelf Surround Sound Speakers $265 CAD
Pioneer SP-BS22-L $150 CAD.
Also check out r/BudgetAudiophile.
PSA on Polk PSW10
Alternatives for a lowest budget subwoofer desktop setup:
Also consider starting with larger speakers and adding the subwoofer later.
Or other 4" speakers, Pioneer SP-BS22-LR.
A better mini amp, SMSL SA 36A $53.
Or first look for a used stereo or AV receiver and used bookshelf speakers.
For use with a TV and a PC, an AV receiver with HDMI. Then you also have the option of adding more speakers later for surround sound.
Speakers: Recommendations from AverageJoeAudiophile and r/HTBuyingGuide.
Subwoofer to add later: 8" DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY ProSub 400 8" $100.
Speaker wire: Pure Copper Oxygen Free 16 Gauge Speaker Wire 50 ft. and self adjusting wire strippers. Sets, Micca or DFWCableConnection.
Speaker Stands: Audio Advisor, most also available at Amazon. Monolith by Monoprice.
Home Audio Guides: Intro to home stereo systems • Zeos Tutorials, Diagrams and Videos • r/Audiophile Getting Started • Beginner's Guide to Home Audio • AverageJoeAudiophile's Guides • Speaker Placement for Stereo Music Listening
HEY YOU! Get Those Speakers Off Your Desktop/Shelf by JohnBooty.
Home Theater Guides: r/HTBuyingGuides FAQ • How to Set Up a Basic Home Theater System - Lifewire • How to Set Up Your Home Theater Receiver • Speaker Placement for Home Theater
Simplify and save. You can ad (Dragonfly) DAC later.
Next step up..
Consider larger speakers for a living room. Especially if you won't be getting a subwoofer for an apartment so you don't annoy your neighbors. Towers can also be a good choice if not getting a subwoofer.
The Miccas are great for desktop or a small room and are best with a subwoofer as are most bookshelf speakers.
See what you can find used if the speakers need to be under $100.
Speaker recommendations from AverageJoeAudiophile and r/HTBuyingGuide.
$100 to $150:
A few speakers over $200:
Internet Manufacturer Direct can be a good bang for the buck with 30 day in home trials so you can try 2 or 3.
For home theater and room listening start with an AV receiver and a pair of bookshelf speakers. Look for both used first. You may be able to find a pre-4k receiver for less than $75 or a pre-HDMI receiver for less than $30.
AV Receiver: Denon AVR-S540BT $150 refurbished 5.2 with optical input DAC and HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0B for 4K video switching.
Budget speakers: $50 Dayton Audio B652-AIR with AMT Tweeter, $60 Polk Audio T15, $95 Pioneer SP-BS22-LR, $100 Dual 5.25" mid-bass driver Polk Audio Monitor 40 Series. Then you can move those to surrounds if you ever want to upgrade to 3 better front speakers.
Speaker wire: Pure copper oxygen free 16 Guage and self adjusting wire strippers or basic.
Subwoofer to add later: Do not buy the Polk. Get the better Dayton SUB-1200 $148 and try the $15 off $150 coupon with a $2+ filler item.
Home Theater Guides: r/HTBuyingGuides FAQ, How to Set Up a Basic Home Theater System - Lifewire, How to Set Up Your Home Theater Receiver, Speaker Placement for Home Theater, and also see r/hometheater.
These are great value [link]
Passive bookshelf speakers with a mini amp or full size stereo or AV receiver. You can add a subwoofer later. The smaller the speakers, the more likely or sooner you will want to add a subwoofer.
Speakers: Recommendations from AverageJoe's Bookshelf and r/HTBuyingGuide.
Internet Manufacturer Direct can be a good bang for the buck with 30 day in home trials so you can demo 2 or 3.
DIY: Or go DIY with 5" C-Notes for $100 and around $50 to $75 for tools and supplies. Check out the build videos. Kit includes pre-cut cabinets. Glue, solder, paint, assemble. Comparable to built speakers costing 2 to 3 times as much. 4" Overnight Sensations MT $140, tall dual 4" Overnight Sensations MTM $192 pair, 6.5" HIVI 2.2 or 3.1 $220 or $290, 6.5" Classix II MT $230 a pair. 7" Hitmakers $240 a pair are designed as near field studio monitors.
Mini amp: Topping MX3 $130. USB and optical inputs to the DAC, subwoofer out.
Subwoofer: Low budget Dayton SUB-1200 $148 or Dayton Audio SUB-1000 $120 for a small room, and try the $15 off $150 coupon with $2 filler item for the 1200.
Home Audio Guides: Zeos Lists, Zeos Tutorials, Diagrams and Videos, Intro to home stereo systems, r/Audiophile Getting Started, Beginner's Guide to Home Audio, AverageJoeAudiophile's Guides, Speaker Placement for Stereo Music Listening.
Bluetooth mini amp, Dayton Audio DTA-120BT $75
Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR $95, often said to be better than the MB42X for only $20 more.
Dual 5.25" mid-bass driver Polk Audio Monitor 40 Series $100
DIY C-Notes $100
Sony SSCS5 $120
Pure copper oxygen free 14g Speaker wire or 16 gauge is a few dollars less, then self adjusting wire strippers or basic.
Optional subwoofer to add later with more funds: Low budget: Dayton Sub1200 $128, with $10 off coupon.
Home audio guides: Intro to home stereo systems, r/Audiophile Getting Started, Beginner's Guide to Home Audio
Home theater guides: r/HTBuyingGuides FAQ, How to Set Up a Basic Home Theater System - Lifewire, How to Set Up Your Home Theater Receiver, Speaker Placement for Home Theater
So I have an at-lp120 record player and a panasonic sa-pm46 crappy CD Player, if I bought these Pioneer Speakers and hooked them up to the CD player while also connecting The CD player to the record player using the CD players AUX input and an AUX cable, how much would the speaker quality be affected compared to just using a normal receiver like this?
This is the receiver I would get (allows for upgrade to more channels in the future):
These are the speakers I would get (very good performance for the price):
This is the subwoofer I would get (I still use this today and have for about 4 years):
What are your main speakers? Though they don't need to match.
Surrounds are sides in a 5.1, rears are added in 7.1. See Speaker Placement for Home Theater.
Speaker recommendations from AverageJoe and r/HTBuyingGuide.
Bipole: Fluance Signature Series or Reference Series
Aperion Intimus 4B
Wharfedale Crystal 4.1
Polk OWM3 or Blackstone
Dayton MK402 4"
Low budget Polk T15
DIY: Kits include pre-cut cabinets. Glue, solder, paint, assemble. Compare built speakers costing 2 to 3 times as much.
5" C-Notes $100.
4" Overnight Sensations MT $140
I haven't listened to the Micca MB42X. I have tried the NHT SuperMini 2.0 and didn't like them, they sounded as small as they are. The HTMs are much better.
I hear the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR are better than the Miccas for $20 more but a bit larger.
Also check out the powered Vanatoo Transparent Zeros.
Hey guys. I recently got the Pioneer BS22 along with the Dayton Sub-1000 and an amplifier to go with them, for my desktop.
Now, I understand that this subwoofer is an active subwoofer and thus has a built in amplifier, but I would like to connect it to the amp instead of plugging it into the orange port of my pc (which seems to be broken). How would i be able to manage that? Here are the links of the images of the back of the amp and sub.
I understand that I connect my pc to the amplifier using a 3.5mm to RCA cable. Then the L and R columns go to the left and right pioneers, respectively, using speaker wire. The B column is intended for the (passive) sub. From whatever little I understand, the line level input is preferred. How would I connect this B column (using it is an output from the amp to the sub which would receive the signal from the amp as input) to the sub?
I have watched 7, 15 minute videos so far and read several articles but this exact scenario has not been addressed. Tbf I am not savvy with the technical lingo as I am new to all this so I might have just missed it. All and any help is much appreciated. Thank you.
These go on sale often. I got them for 70.00 a while back.
I also have these, which are cheaper, but good for a small room. I think I paid about 30.00.
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones Designed Bookshelf Loudspeakers [link]
Pioneer SP-FS52-LR Andrew Jones Designed Floor standing Loudspeaker (each) [link]
Pioneer SP-C22 Andrew Jones Designed Center Channel Speaker [link]
Pioneer SW-8MK2 Andrew Jones Designed 100-Watt Powered Subwoofer [link]
Onkyo TX-SR343 5.1-Channel A/V Receiver [link]
100 ft. of speaker cable
2 metal/black rear speaker stands
I posted this elsewhere and am just gathering thoughts as to whether or not I should pull the trigger or pass, as I am new to the audio world. I can get this setup for $115, and it would be used as an entry level 3.1 home theatre setup. It is used in good condition.
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR (pair) [link]
Pioneer SP-C22 [link]
Pioneer SW-8MK2 [link]
It would also include this receiver: Yamaha HTR-3066 [link]
Jump or pass? Thanks!
You could probably find a good starter Onkyo receiver that can handle up to 5.2 for $200 and a pair of decent pair of Pioneer bookshelf speakers for another $100.
They make matching center channels and subs for both and sell them in the whole 5.1 bundle as well
Budget - $500 USD in total, flexible
Source - PC
Requirements for Isolation - None, will be using at home.
Will you be using these Headphones in public? - No.
Preferred Type of Headphones - Full sized over the ear.
Preferred tonal balance - I think I'm looking for something that's overall balanced.
Past Headphones - Sennheiser RS 170 Wireless Closed Back Headphones.
Preferred Music - I usually listen to quiet, soft music, sometimes pump music like Zack Hemsey, Hans Zimmer-like movie OSTs.
What would you like to improve on from your set-up - I've never had any experience with high end equipments, still looking forward to that "WOW" moment.
Hello, all. I'm planning on stepping my audio set up by a notch. Currently I have a pair of Pioneer SP-BS22-LR bookshelf speakers ([link]) with a subwoofer from a cheap Insignia 2.1 combo powered by the Lepai LP-2020A+ Amp([link]). And the headphones I have is the Sennheiser RS 170 Wireless Headphones.
Components I want to upgrade: Headphones, sub woofer, a DAC and an amp to drive the new headphones.
I see the Massdrop HD6XX for $200 and am interested, then I also see the DT990 Pro 250 ohm for $125 from Newegg and now I'm hesitating which one I should get. As for the Dac/amp it could be a combo or separate devices, but I'm wondering if therw's a way for me to connect both headphone amp and my speaker amp to the same DAC output(Could the Monoprice 111567 Desktop Headphone Amplifier be the solution to this? [link]). Finally I want to get a decent sub woofer to go with the bookshelf speakers.
You're welcome for the help. It sounds like we are narrowing this down so that's a great thing. $300 gets you into a great AVR but you'll need speakers too. So we'll have to see what we can come up with that for that budget. Since you're not going for a full 5.1 I think a nice 2.0 would do you just fine. A 2.0 setup will fill a bedroom with sound just fine.
So being that HDMI switching is the most important then we are totally going with an AVR. Now we just need to add some speakers to the mix.
Here is an example of what I would look at.
AVR - Pioneer VSX 530 refurb $160 - Basic 5.1 AVR but since you're going with a 2.0 for now this should do you just fine.
Speakers - You have a few choices here
Pioneer BS22 $100 - Good entry level speaker with decent low end for the price. Be aware that these are a bit larger than you might think so keep that in mind.
BIC DV62 $120 - Larger bookshelf speakers that will reach lower than most. These will do very well in a 2.0
Micca MB42X-C $70 ea get 2 - Center speakers that you turn on their end and use as books. These will give you a surprising amount of low end for the size.
these are the closest areas to me.
I was thinking of getting a teac tn300 new for like 230-250 and then either the micca pb42x, jbl 305 of I have enough, or these
Subwoofer, I would suggest looking for a used one, I got mine for $100 and you’d need like 4 of these to compete.
Banana plugs/pins are optional, but they make things so much easier in wiring (more on the receiver side). The receiver takes plugs for the L/R but pin for the center, and the 3 speakers take plugs. So you can get this and two of these.
Is this worth buying? I've been casually browsing amps for awhile now to go with some bookshelf speakers I inherited. Main question is, would this work if I ever upgraded to a bigger system? Would this run a turntable? Is Best Buy over charging for the features it has?
Thanks for any help.
I've had the pretty common beginner setup for about 6 months now:
TT: AT-LP120 (built in preamp)
Amp: Lepai 2020A+
Speakers: Dayton B652's
I had noticed that my current setup lacks quite a bit of bass/low-range sound, resulting in a somewhat flat sound. I was considering upgrading the following:
Speakers: Pioneer SP-BS22-LR ($129.99 on Amazon)
Amp: SMSL SA50 ($68.90 on Amazon)
Will I get a noticeable difference out of this upgrade? Or would my money be put to better use elsewhere?
maybe Pioneer BS22 $130. I have a pair. They live up to the reviews. Not much low bass so that sub might go well with them. [link]
That receiver is not great. I'd replace it too. Look on craigslist and you can find a deal. I snagged an old denon that originally cost $3k for about $100 that way. If you go "new", then look for a refurbished receiver.
For speakers, there are tons of choices. A buddy of mine snagged some Fluance floor speakers that sound good for about $350 shipped. Not sure if they're still available though. Klipsch, Polk, and more are also in your range. Another option is a good set of bookshelf speakers and a separate sub. Dayton audio makes some killer subs for not much money. You can easily it them with a set of good bookshelves for under $350.
Used speakers are an option too.
Around $350 is a little tough
Not a huge system, but still good. That receiver will get you 4k passthrough and those bookshelves are killer for the price.
Pioneer BS22 - $129
Elac B5 - $229
b-stock Klipsch RP-150m - $279
In commercial theaters with height channels, the speakers are pointed backwards a bit. It's hard to find images that illustrate this, but you'll see it in AMC's new Dolby Cinema theaters. Depending on the slope of your ceiling and the proximity of the speakers to the couch, it might not be ideal, but it's rare to have a 100% ideal theater room.
I read earlier today on this sub about Speakercraft's AIM series. If you have the money for it, then it might make sense to replace the JBLs with those. As far as alternatives for the other speakers, I'm not really sure. BIC America's Acoustec speakers are approximately the same color if you decide to run them without a grille (of that's really important to you), but they use horn tweeters, so they likely have the same level of brightness as Klipsch. I'll check the buying guide for another one that I don't remember the name of and report back.
Edit: Checked the guide.
On the slightly cheaper end, there's the Pioneer Andrew Jones series. Pioneer makes good speakers, but stay away from their receivers; Pioneer is owned by Onkyo now, and that brings Onkyo's build quality issues with it. Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, and Harman/Kardon are the companies that you should look at for receivers.
Bookshelf, Center, Tower
On the slightly more expensive end, there's the aforementioned BIC America speakers. Bookshelf, LCR (Left/Center/Right), Tower
AVR - Denon S510BT refrub $210
Speakers - Pick one
Pioneer BS22 refurb $100 Good all around speaker that still gets praise. Soft tweeter to some perfect tweeter to others.
Micca MB42X $90 Another good all around speaker for the price and size it's impressive. Will have the least bass of the three. If you plan on adding a sub later or need a smaller speaker this is a good choice.
BIC DV2 $120 The largest speakers of the bunch. They will offer the best bass and therefore a good experience without a sub.
sorry i forgot to add, im canadian so getting deals from canada is pretty hard /:
i don't really have a budget, but i would prefer to not spend too much money. im looking for value, and i don't want to spend any more than 400 bucks(canadian), but preferable i would like to spend less than that. if you think value lies somewhere above 400, then i don't mind getting it if the sound quality is improved by a huge amount
i'm gonna be using this for a playstation 4 pro, so i kinda want the hdmi input rather than optical or whatever
i also don't want to wait until black friday, as i have alot of free time now and i wanna set it up now.
when i look at all of these on canadian amazon, its just below 1000 bucks
again, thanks for your help, its the first time in this sub, and my first time posting things on reddit haha (:
If you want to reuse some all of the setup you might try building a small vertically oriented stand to house the turntable, receiver and some vinyl. Then get some stands for the speakers. Something similar to this:
If your looking for a speaker upgrade you could get the Pioneer BS-22LR bookshelf units. Currently on sale for ~$90 (usually $130).
I would suggest the Pioneer SP-BS22LR speakers over the Polk T15. Currently on sale for ~$90 (normally $129):
I played with the Denon DP-300f for a few months. Here are my thoughts on it:
As stated in the review (and elsewhere if you research), the weak link for the DP-300f is the included cartridge, and more specifically its stylus. You can get a decent upgrade in sound quality by replacing the spherical stylus that comes with the turntable to an elliptical one.
I don't live in Europe anymore so I don't know what websites you guys use. I'm going to link what the American version is and you can probably find a website in Europe that has them for near the same price. It's slightly over budget by about 50 bucks, but, I'd be lying if these bookshelfs and amp are not some of the best I've ever put my hands on while still on a budget.
I use those bookshelfs for my home setup and I also have two 12'' subwoofers under the desk hooked up to 3000 watts. Sometimes, I shit you not I'll walk over to the gain on my subwoofer amp and turn it down because the bass is just rolling, but it's the bookshelf speakers that are producing those lows and I'll be blown away. Music and movies are a great experience and for 60 bucks a speaker It's the best deal as far as sound quality goes. I would put them on mark with some of the reference monitors are use at work.
I used the receiver in a build I did and I like it, functionality is great. It doesn't have a sub out but it has input options and supports bluetooth. I'd get a RCA to 1/8th TRS cable aswell. You don't really need a subwoofer with these speakers, they imitate having a 8'' (50w) sub under the desk pretty much.
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones
Pioneer SP-C22 Andrew Jones Designed Center
Total: ~$524 USD
And the biggest thing with this is you can add a sub and surrounds later
(1) A preamp, or a phono stage, applies the RIAA playback curve and steps up the voltage of the phono cartridge (typically of the order of mV for MM type) to line-level signal which can drive the input stage of your amp.
(2) This particular amp does not have a headphone out - but perhaps if you were to shop around you might find one that has two analogue inputs, a speaker out and a headphone out. Topping used to make one but I don't seem to be able to find it anymore unfortunately. If you're open to full-sized components, you could consider something like this - this would take care of multiple inputs as well as headphones. and I'd recommend the Pioneer BS-22's over the Fluance. The SMSL SA60 as recommended in the OP also another input, to plug your phone into - but unfortunately no headphone output.
If you can save up just a bit more money, these are great for the price. I owned them and liked them for a small-ish listening space.
If you're going to use this setup with a TV in a main viewing area just get an AVR straight away. Don't mess with a mini amp like a lepai or SMSL that will not have the inputs you need. For $250ish here are some suggestions.
AVR - Denon S510bt $190 It's more money but this one is fully 4k compatible, has Bluetooth built in and has an auto setup feature.
Speakers - Pioneer BS-22 $120, BIC DV62$120 or Micca MB42X $90 The Pioneer and BIC are larger and therefore will sound better without the sub. The Micca are smaller and will have better highs than the Pioneer. The BIC's are just big but will give the best sound in a 2.0 config.
These are amazing. Got them priced match at bestbuy for $80 6 months ago.
After some quick research you're totally correct. I think I have my final setup. 1 Pioneer SP-BS22-LR, 1 MB42x, 2 Lepai LP2020A amps, and two Google Chromecasts to connect them. That should come out to around $300 and if I decide that I want a third set later I'll get either the Pioneers or the Micca's, depending on which I like more.
In my experience, the most important part of your setup is having 3 matching speakers for the front sound stage (left, center and right). The goal here is for all 3 speakers to blend together, so when sound pans back and forth, it sounds the same.
You're best bet might be to replace the front 3 speakers with 3 in the same series.
On a quick look, you could go with These Pioneer front speakers with This Matching center. for a total pric of about $200 for all 3 speakers.
Or for a little less, you could go with these Micca speakers with This matching center for about $160 for all 3.
You could probably sell those 2 Bose front speakers on ebay and make it close to an even swap while boosting your sound quality.
Does this look better?
Amp - SMSL SMSL SA-60
DAC - FiiO D03K
Would you recommend any of the following (not super interested in the ones in the original post bc they low key look like ass)
[link] (I know these are below the price you recommended, but I heard they were very good for their price)
And thanks for pointing out potential bottlenecking. That was one of my biggest concerns, and what I had originally posted in r/budgetaudiophile for.
In that price range, the Pioneer BS 22 is the most commonly recommended choice. I have the older BS 21 and it's really good for the price.
Hey everyone, I am looking for a new amp for my set up. My current set up involves a set of Pioneer bookshelf speakers and an SMSL SA-36Pro amp.
I recently got a pair of AKG K7XX's from massdrop and now need a new amp to drive the speakers and headphones by allowing me to alternate the output. Can anyone suggest me an amp that'll do that? I would prefer not to spend more than a $100 but will if I have to. Thanks for the help everyone!
I'm in love with my Pioneer BS22. They are kind of bulky for using 4 inch drivers but sound great. Even Stereophile magazine is in love with them. They gave these speakers runner up for speaker of the year in 2013 and that is going up against speakers that cost thousands of dollars.
If you're going to use this setup for movies/TV then I would just go with an AVR. You'll get more power, a remote, Digital inputs, dedicated sub out, xover ability and more expansion possibility..
Just about anything you mentioned would work but I would stick to a set of books vs towers especially if you're going with a sub.
Here's my shopping list
AVR - Denon S500BT refurb $170 or you if just want a stereo receiver look at this refurb yamaha $110
Speakers - Pioneer BS22 $100 on sale right now. Good all around speaker. You could also get the Micca MB42X $90 if you needed to squeeze another $10 out of the budget.
Sub - Dayton Sub 1000 $120
Misc - sub cable $5 and Speaker wire $8
From what I recall about the ProMedia they were actually pretty decent computer speakers full of boom and sizzle. They were kind of the opposite to most computer speakers that were so mid centric it hurt. I think you'll find that most soundbars will have a similar sound to them as they both use smaller drivers and small amplifiers. Where I'm lost is the the budget. I normally suggest that a soundbar setup cost no more than $200 because much more than that and you can step up to a real audio solution.
With a budget of $300-500 you're going to be more than capable of setting up a 2.1.
AVR - Yamaha 3068 refurb $200 full 4k capable, bluethooth, ect.
Speakers - Pioneer BS22 $100
Sub- Dayton Sub1000 $120 + a sub cable $5 as the Dayton likes to have both inputs.
This leaves you with plenty of budget left for cables, wire and stands if you want.
I believe these are what you are referring to? [link]
I just so happened to be visiting my parents in Portland and was checking out the used gear on Craigslist. This is what I came out with:
Turntable: Technics SL-B2 - $145
Stereo Receiver: Kenwood KR-7200 - $150
Speakers: Pioneer BS22 - $99
Grand total: $394
Just squeaked by the budget and I think this would be a decent set up to have. I’d probably buy these components if I was just starting out.
Probably your best best for ~$100 speakers.
I would give it a try, just make sure you have a reasonable return option if it fails. This issue plagued us around November of 2014. (Plus or minus a month.) I would hope Vizio got their stuff in order and this was clearly a Vizio issue, not Sonos.
I just Googled the issue and found numerous references to the issue.
Oh and now that I am racking my brain about it, it only occurred when the AV source was external to the TV (via HDMI and in our case an AppleTV or Roku). If you watch Netflix or Amazon Prime via the internal app, there wasn't an issue. This made the whole thing a bit more obscure.
The issue was horribly obvious and would have affected Vizio sounds bars and any other device that connected via optical so I am sure it eventually got some attention.
If your TV is still affected you don't have many options since it will affect any sound bar / system connected via optical. My fall back was to go with a Marantz surround sound system. We were looking at the Marantz because they offered shallow system and we were bookshelf constrained. There are certainly other options out there.
And all of these will sit ahead of your TV and do the HDMI switching eliminating the audio delay. You can use the TV's HDMI ARC to supply the surround sound tuner when using internal apps on the TV.
and some low-end but well reviewed Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers:
I would have saved over the Sonos but we already had Sonos in the house and I didn't want to deal with running speaker wires to the rear surrounds.
I figured it would have cost about $1000 to go with this (or similar) non-Sonos solution and run cabling. In the end, we returned the Vizio for a full refund of about $900 and purchased a 1080 Sony for about twice the amount. Both 65" TVs. The Sony did not exhibit any audio delays out of the optical and had a superior image but nothing wrong with the Vizio and I would have never noticed the difference (and I realize returning the TV is not an option in your case).
And if by chance you do look at a different TV, be careful as many of them won't transcribe 5.1 surround from an external HDMI to the optical out. This is an entirely different issue. There is a 2014/15 CNET article on which TVs support transcribing in this case. I know Sony and Vizio are 2 of the 3 or 4 manufacturers that do. Samsung is the major exception and if you look at their sound bars and surround sound systems, none of them support 5.1 out of the optical because their TVs don't support it or at least didn't a year ago when we were looking.
Ultimately optical audio is really a dated technology and you will find lots of criticism of Sonos for going with this but I got it to work and will continue to buy Sonos equipment. What Sonos really needs is to either support ARC or a switching box that accepts HDMI sources and then feeds their various speakers, eliminating the optical and working more like other surround sound tuners. Guessing the ARC solution is ideal but ARC is relatively new and didn't see widespread implementation until around 2013 / 2014 (my guess). As more TVs support ARC, the need to support optical will decrease. And I would think your TV supports ARC. Mine did and they seem to be of similar vintage and specs.
Good luck. Let me know how it works out.
You generally want to match your center and mains to get a seamless front soundstage. That being said I don't think the CS10 is going to match your RM's timbre. Some folks don't care about this as run a mismatched center. My recommendation would be to replace the front three together if you want to do the center. For the price of the CS center you can come close with several of the lower end speakers. Here are some examples
AJ Pioneer BS-22 and match center(on the same page.) $200 for all three.
Micca MB42x $90 + MB42X-C$80
If you like the smaller format of the existing polks look at his set from Boston Acoustics for $200. The Polk TL150 set is also an option at $210. You can redo the entire system except for the sub at one time.
Just noticed that the Pioneer BS-22's are down to $99.99 a pair at Amazon. They were $130 a few days ago. Not the best price ever, but decent. [link]
> Here are my choices (looking to stay under $200):
> Yamaha R-S300BL (at $200)
> Onkyo TX-8020 (at $180)
> Onkyo A-9010 (at $175)
> Emotiva Fusion Flex (at $200)
The four of them appear to have more or less similar output specifications - not that you need an exceptionally powerful output section to drive Klipschs. It therefore boils down to the question of what has the features you're looking for - and the aesthetics you like. My pick would be the Yamaha - or the Onkyo TX. The R15M seems to be selling on Amazon for $250 - but if possible, do try and have a listen to Klipschs somewhere before you decide to pick them up. Alternative at ~ $150; Alternative at ~$250.
I'm not too familiar with subwoofers perhaps someone else could offer an opinion about that.
I haven't personally heard them but I know these Andrew Jones Pioneers tend to get a lot of love. Only $126.
The Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers are an amazing value for under 150 bucks, better than most speakers that cost twice as much
I would get the pioneer bs22 and center instead. $127 and $97 respectively.
If getting this reciever helps the budget I'd do it, [link] there's hardly any difference between entry level models like the denon you chose.
The bic f12 would be great.
I'm looking to put together a new setup after using my uncle's old setup from the 80's for almost two years now; it all works decently enough, but sounds average rather than great. After researching all day, this is the setup I'm looking at:
U-Turn Orbit Plus Turntable - $309
Onkyo TX-8020 Receiver - $174
Pioneer SP-BS22LR Speakers - $127
Do you guys have any recommendations in the same price range that might fair better? Or does this look pretty solid?
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR [link]
I recently picked up a pair for my bedroom - impressive performance at $126. Lots of reviews and praise out there.
These speakers someone posted here on /vinyl [link]
These are well regarded for the price:
I have these as well and am really loving them. They have a great and accurate sound signature to them. I would highly recommend them.
What is your budget?
$100 - $300
What are you looking for?
New speakers to replace my old ones. A slight upgrade pretty much. It turns out that my speakers are 4 ohms but my amplifier is only rated to 6ohms at the minimum. That means I can't turn my current speakers all the way up and my amp gets a little too hot. I would like to replace them for some peace of mind.
What gear do you own?
Current speakers are Micca MB42 which I like quite a bit
What do you intend on using for a source?
My computer and sometimes an ipod source
What material will you be using your gear for?
Music. I listen to lots of edm, rock, metal, indie rock, and some folk.
Are you willing to buy used?
Boston Acoustics Classic II CS26
I'm looking both the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR and the Klipsch RB-51 II bookshelf speakers. Are the Klipschs good enough that they're worth twice the price? Both are in my price range though the Klipschs are at the high end of it. Are there any others I should be looking at?
I'm not too up on what new speakers are out, although there's a pair of Pioneers that consistently review well.
I checked your CL link, there's not much in Boone, although these are nice: [link]
Are you willing to do a bit of driving? There's some interesting offerings further from you:
[link] <- predecessor to the Pioneer I linked before
I have a pair of Pioneer SP-BS22-LR speakers and they sound great. Don't listen to the haters, OP, you can find a perfectly good set of speakers for a good price.
so these [link] or...................................................... [link]
If you're looking for a budget 3.1 system, I would go with the following for about $315:
Upgrading the subwoofer to the Dayton SUB-1000 or SUB-1200 may be worth it if your budget and/or room size permits, but the above would still be a pretty enjoyable budget setup.
Not bad choices, but at well under $200, the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR speakers will outperform any of those. [link]
For speakers, the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR bookshelves come highly regarded. Or the towers if you have more space/money.
They're $126.99 a pair (bookshelf) or each (tower) right now, but put up a price watch. They pretty regularly go down to $100, and each has actually dropped to the $60 range once or twice in the past.
I'm 16 and have a fairly small room, I don't know much about this kind of stuff, I was wondering if I could hook up these Pioneer SP BS22 speakers along with this Logitech Bluetooth adapter to stream music from my iPhone. Would I absolutely need anything else for a bare minimum setup, like an amp or receiver - I'm not really clear what they do or how necessary they are.
Additionally are there other speakers that would be better for me? (cheap is a plus) I listen to a huge variety of music, so I feel like clarity is above all rather than focus on just bass or something like that. Thanks in advance!
As has been pointed out, the Denon you listed is a variation of a stock turntable produced by Hanpin of China. The current base model is the Hanpin FU-7000 and is rebadged as the Denon you linked, Sony PS-LX300, Pioneer PL-990, Audio Technica LP-60, and the Marantz TT5005 amongst others. It has been produced since the early 1990s in various iterations.
I'm not sure if you realize, but the NS-B210BL you linked are sold a single speakers, not a pair. If budget is a concern, I think you would be better off with the Pioneer BS-22LR, which are well reviews, retail for $130/pr. and often go on sale for $100 or less.
I'm going to agree with nevermind4790 and say the Lepai is not your best option for an amplifier. '90s era equipment is where the dollar value is at. If you link to your local craigslist, we might be able to find something suitable for you.
If you are interested only in new, then you might look into the U-Turn Orbit Basic for a turntable. Is it assembled here in the USA and has great customer service. For a budget receiver, you could look into the Sherwood RX-4109 or the Yamaha R-S201BL.
Looks like there have been some issues with recent models actually. Maybe have a look at these instead?
/r/Audiophile has plenty of budget recommendations for bookshelf speakers.
Are you recording and mixing with studio monitors?
If you want the pro studio monitor Mackies or the similar JBL 305s, you will need a studio monitor controller or a Schiit Sys $49.
Or a Schiit Fulla $99 is a DAC and headphone amp with variable volume outs to the speakers. Or get separate Shiit Modi DAC and Magi headphone amp and preamp.
Instead of studio monitors, get home audio powered bookshelf speakers with a remote control, 3.5mm or RCA inputs, and many also have USB and optical inputs.
The Topping MX3 is an amp for passive bookshelf speakers:
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Should've bought them on amazon [link]
I just can't recommend a soundbar or HTIB when you can do a decent 2.0 or 2.1 system and upgrade later.
Receiver $150: [link]
Speakers $99/pair: many options available but to stay lower cost while still sounding good you can look at Pioneer BS22s or if you can swing the Elacs they are better. [link]
Sub: Maybe a Dayton 1200 or Bic F12. However, if you can wait on the sub and save up for an SVS PB1000 or something from HSU or Rythmik I would do that.
You can usually get them for around $75 when they go on sale.
I know it can be a slippery slope but if you can go to $299 I think you'll find this subwoofer to be well worth the stretch.
Also, how will you implement a highpass filter for the speakers? You might consider spending $250 on an entry level receiver and $150ish on a decent pair of (passive) bookshelf speakers. Something like these for example.
The particular stereo amp I linked does not have a subwoofer out with bass management. We can get you one of those by getting a unit refurbished to save money. If we go that route and get these (on sale): [link] we will have budget to add a subwoofer for bass.
These are my new suggestion with that amp: [link]
Head to the sidebar and read up! I'm new to this as well, but you can learn all of the basic info you need to know by reading the few posts linked there.
I will fill you in on this: You need a pre-amp to amplify the signal from your turntable; you need an amp to power your speakers if they are not powered. You will likely not find good powered speakers within your budget.
These are probably your best bet for the money since they are currently on sale:
Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones Designed Bookshelf Loudspeakers [link]
Lastly, head to the "no stupid questions" post at stickied at the top to ask any more basic questions like this.
I've seen a lot of recommendations for the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR speakers. I've really had my eyes on this set of Pinnacle BD 500 speakers on Woot, I just can't pull the trigger.
There are huge variations in price/performance ratio for speakers, but in general, you aren't going to save money by building your own speakers unless you are comparing it too massively overpriced 'audiophile' gear. But these speakers simply cannot be DIYed for less money.
Unless you've cloned the Klipsch RF7s for less money, I fail to see how your example proves anything other than that you like your DIY speakers more.
you can eek out a 5.0 system for AROUND $300 if you get 2 pairs of these and the matching center. if you don't get the matching center and use your soundbar, then you have $100 for a sub which could get you a dayton sub1200 or similar.
I'd go 5.2.2 Atmos -but that'd require a receiver Upgrade - what I'm working Up to- running 5.2 right Now........
That Onkyo will Drive some Decent speakers..... What are you trying to do, wanting? You say 3.0 go to 5.0 then maybe stereo? Why no Sub? a sub can make a Big Sound Difference - you don't have to have it Pounding to make a Difference.
I'd Upgrade the front 3 and add a sub............... I don't have the Pioneer Sp-fs52s but have seen many reviews and Heard them in Frys and they Sound GOOD to me..............
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