{"product":{"product_id":"0768011272","title":"Race Car Vehicle Dynamics - Problems, Answers and Experiments","price":"124.95","image_url":"https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51wfi36u4uL._SL500_.jpg","url":"https://www.amazon.com/dp/0768011272"},"comments":[{"body":"From hearing my friends who went to school talk about it, \"Race Car Vehicle Dynamics\" by Milliken is kinda the gold standard for sources.  I've also heard it's a very dry read, unlike Carroll Smith's books... but it might be a good source if you can find a used copy, because it's technically a textbook which means it's going to be expensive.\r\n\r\nhttps://www.amazon.com/Race-Car-Vehicle-Dynamics-Experiments/dp/0768011272","subreddit_name":"motorsports","author":"chkltcow"},{"body":"You're a very compliant citizen. You worry about painted lines, and order, and organization. I'm an agent of anarchy. Lines aren't needed if there aren't other cars on the road. I live in the middle of nowhere. Speed limits are for people who don't know the roads or can't drive. You ever read this book? I have.\r\n\r\nhttps://smile.amazon.com/Race-Car-Vehicle-Dynamics-Experiments/dp/0768011272","subreddit_name":"ConvenientCop","author":"dzrtguy"},{"body":"Do you have any good links for more information? I see what /u/Wozrop is saying from the theoretical model of friction standpoint but I see a ton of empirical evidence to backup what you're saying—and no doubt racers know this. I'm basically looking for technical explanations of why this is the case.\r\n\r\nEdit: Incase anyone cares (or even reads this) I found an excerpt from [Race Car Vehicle Dynamics](http://www.amazon.com/Race-Car-Vehicle-Dynamics-Experiments/dp/0768011272):\r\n\r\n\u0026gt;Tractive force F_T and braking force F_B are a function of slip ratio. As the slip ratio increases (numerically) from zero, the forces rise rapidly to a maximum which usually occurs in the range of 0.10 to 0.15 slip ratio, after which the forces fall off.\r\n\r\nSo, yeah, Milliken's 10-15% slip ratio finding corroborates /u/Kkubaa's statement. The chapter on Tire Behavior is pretty interesting; a lot more going on than simple problems from undergrad mechanical engineering.","subreddit_name":"formula1","author":"5bWPN5uPNi1DK17QudPf"},{"body":"https://www.amazon.com/Race-Car-Vehicle-Dynamics-Experiments/dp/0768011272\r\n\r\nThis is a very good book on the subject","subreddit_name":"Autocross","author":"madi_44"},{"body":"There are lots of resources online. [This setup guide on Mazdaspeeds](https://mazdaspeeds.org/index.php?threads/suspension-by-the-numbers-car-setup-how-to.1427/) is pretty good and runs through a lot of the math you can use to calculate this stuff. [Another resource](https://www.drtuned.com/tech-ramblings/2017/10/2/spring-rates-suspension-frequencies) for calculating suspension frequencies (Spring rate non-dimensionalized which can allow you to compare car-to-car). \r\n\r\n[The Milliken and Milliken](https://smile.amazon.com/Race-Car-Vehicle-Dynamics-Experiments/dp/0768011272) book covers pretty much all of it and is where most the above resources got their information too. [I quite like this blog page as well](https://racingcardynamics.com/weight-transfer/) and there are some good articles in there that talk about this information.\r\n\r\nI was in FSAE in college, so I learned a lot of this working with the team and setting up suspension calculators that are currently in-use behind the scenes of the teams in-house lap simulator. A lot of this information out there is free and easy to access, and you can really go into a rabbit hole of information by googling any specific term that seems hard to understand!","subreddit_name":"cars","author":"crispychicken49"},{"body":"https://www.amazon.com/Race-Car-Vehicle-Dynamics-Experiments/dp/0768011272","subreddit_name":"textbookrequest","author":"toiletrollthief"},{"body":"http://www.amazon.com/Race-Car-Vehicle-Dynamics-Experiments/dp/0768011272","subreddit_name":"radiocontrol","author":"zanthraxnl"}]}