> I understand a frustration with rigid, societal gender roles.
OK, but please understand that that's not what gender identity is about.
Suppose we tell you, "We're going to transform your body to female, and that's how everybody is going to see and relate to you for the rest of your life. But don't worry! We're not saying you have to be feminine! You can be as masculine as a woman as you like! But you have to be a woman."
I don't think you'd be cool with that. Possibly a few people have a lot of built-in gender flexibility and could roll with that punch. A lot more people think they could handle it, but in reality probably could not - Nora Vincent thought she could, for example, and almost lost her mind, even though her change was only outward/social and not bodily.
Hummm...não tenho ideia, mas vou chutar do meio do campo.
Tem o caso de uma mulher lésbica que se disfarçou como homem e viveu 18 meses assim. Ela tem uns insights bem interessantes e inclusive teve uns dates com mulheres. Para ela, em termos de relacionamentos e sedução, o papel do homem é MUITO mais difícil que o da mulher. O homem precisa se provar e há todo um tipo de pressão para seduzir, enquanto que para a mulher o papel é muito mais simples.
Eu concordo em boa parte com isso. Atravessar uma sala e abordar uma mulher que você acha extremamente sexy e que tem um sorriso bonito e tal é extremamente difícil e aprender isso é um caminho longo e repleto de frustração. Por isso, por exemplo, que você vê muito nerd masculino virjão, e muito menos mulher na mesma situação, e por isso que pipocam tópicos do tipo "como chegar na crush" partindo de homens, e não de mulheres.
Ter sexo com frequência é muito mais fácil pra mulher, no final das contas, e acredito que um cara que é bi mas que é socialmente morto pode acabar "migrando" pro outro lado, talvez por ser mais fácil e se sentir mais realizado sendo desejado, seja da forma que for.
Como eu falei no início, é um chute do meio do campo e nada impede que eu tenha isolado a bola do estádio.
regarding the non-penis portion of your post. there was a book by norah vincent called Self-Made Man: One Woman's Year Disguised as a Man. i haven't read the book, just norahs explanation of it. basically, she spent a year dressing and acting like a man. but, she had to quit because she became suicidal as a result of it. so, this isn't a thing for cis women. some may say they want to do it, but they really don't because they don't do it. and if they were to try it, they would wind up like norah.
the difference here is that you are expressing your desire that you are or might be a man for many reasons, and part of it is not feeling female. that's very different than saying you want to be a man for male privilege. i guess the point i am trying to say is, is that your feelings aren't equally comparable to cis women. try asking that question and ignoring the privilege part. would you arrive at the same conclusion?
Here's the Amazon link. It is illuminating reading. I'm not saying I agree with everything she had to say, but I will say that as a man, it was stunningly refreshing to see someone else acknowledging that male life has entire classes of difficulties that aren't even on most women's radar.
Everyone has issues in their lives on multiple fronts. Trans men have issues around being biologically female, being trans, AND being men. Since they experience discrimination because they are men, they need to be included in men's rights. Not only that, but since they have lived experiences as both female and male they can be powerful allies in the quest for gender equality. Norah Vincent's book about going undercover as a man for 18 months is a great read. I've read similar much shorter stories from trans men that give a unique perspective on male/female experience that most people never get.
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
> Which opportunities does she have specifically because she is a woman
OP really does have a lot of opportunities as a 23 year old woman, even if she's only a 5/10, she has opportunities. She really just has to omit her law degree from her applications, and I'm pretty sure she'll get something.
> I would swap my life as a woman anytime against that of a man. I would not have been raped, I would not have people shoving me their biases in the face everywhere I go online,
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. If you really want to know what life is like as a man from a woman's perspective, then read this book. "Self-Made Man: One Woman's Year Disguised as a Man." She finds out pretty quickly that being a man sucks.
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702/
When I am around men? Almost never. When there are no men [1] around? Plenty of times.
> what is the best way for me to respond to his tears? how can i best comfort and support him without making him feel emasculated or weak?
Hold him when he cries. Don't say anything [2].
What can cause me to cry? There are movies and passages in books (an example of a book that can reduce me to tears is "Self Made Man").
I don't know about your guy [3], but as I was growing up, crying was a total failure of masculinity. Even my girlfriends would beat the shit out of me.
Notes:
1 - Other than myself, and I don't always consider myself one despite chromosomes, hormones and genitals.
2 - Other than something like "I love you" or "it is OK, I love you."
3 - I am probably your dad's age, if not older than your dad. Fuck you, my beard is grayer than his.
People will treat you how you expect to be treated. The first thing to do is to make the decision that NO MATTER WHAT you will treat yourself well and expect others to treat you well because as a human being you have inherent worth
Get a copy of the book 'why men marry some women and not others' by Molloy, it's GENIUS. As guy I can say his research is 100% solid, spot on, take it to the bank.
So what if you can't rely on looks as much as other girls, that's not disqualifying by any means. Do what you can with what you have - waist to hip ratio of .7, a bit of makeup, long hairstyle, clothes. MAkeover book. Any girlfriends who are true friends? If none, find some by BEING a friend and do for them what you wish one would do for you - coach you through the makeover process to do what you can with what you have.
yoga is fabulous for improving body confidence; if you can move well and inhabit your body it does something makeup can't.
read this book to understand men:
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
then... Go where the guys are - learn a hobby that's male dominated and get active in it. Just do it to socialize without expectations. There are shy lonely guys everywhere but you have to know where to look. once you're there, just be pleasant and interesting and interested. Guys are gunshy about marriage because they see how entitled and manipulative women can be and the deck is stacked against men in some ways. MGTOWs exist for some strong reasons. Be different from the women who have influenced that trend.
80% of long term compatibility is personality, capitalize on your personality strengths. Get the book Fascinating Womanhood if you want to know how to stay married.
Familiar with Norah Vincent's "Self Made Man?"
It's exactly that.
She's a lesbian and was a feminist who thought men have it great and that rednecks are awful, insular bigots. So she dressed as a man (quite convincingly, she's a tall, broad-shouldered woman and really put the effort into it, taking vocal lessons to speak in a masculine manner, using finely-shaved wool applied by a makeup artist to give herself stubble, and getting custom-tailored clothing to hide her already modest feminine features) and joined a bowling club in a small town for a year. She set up and went on first dates with something like 30 women in the same time frame, too.
Turned out that dating as a man sucked, the rednecks that she held in such low regard welcomed her in and mentored her, even though they thought she was a gay guy the whole time, and that pretty much all of her stock-photo opinions were exactly opposite reality.
It's frustrating, because it's hard to explain to somebody who hasn't experienced it.
I mean, if somebody transitioned her to male against her will, I doubt she'd say "well, this doesn't bother me, I'll just be a feminine male". Yet she might imagine she could do that.
There was a book by a butch lesbian who attempted it as an experiment, and needed therapy afterward: Self-Made Man.
It's not a biological thing (also why feminists have been trying to replace that particular slogan. Well except TERFs, they really believe in that one). It's a life experience thing.
For example, if I, as a man, said "Well catcalling ain't all that bad! They're just complimenting you!" I, of course, would have no fucking idea what I'm talking about, because it never happened to me. And even if it did, I wouldn't be in as much danger as a woman would, because if a 5'5'' tiny man came out of that car to beat my ass after I told him to go fuck himself, I could probably defend myself, a woman can't. So that's the baseline.
So when a woman says "Life as a man isn't so tough, we have it way worse!" while men get murdered at triple their rate and kill themselves at double, maybe they have no fucking idea how hard it is. So if they don't have a dick, maybe they shouldn't comment or advocate for me, I can do it myself thank you very much.
Plus every feminist (that I know) that said "pffft men have it easy, I'll prove it!" changed their minds. From the girl who produced "The Red Pill" to the one who lived her life as a man for a year and a half just to "try it out". (https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702)
Because, it turns out, life as a man isn't as easy as it seems! It's not like we didn't have years of data to prove it, but ya know...
Honestly the only way to do this is people who have either transitioned or done a long term impersonation.
And both of those things have been done. There was the butch lesbian who pretended to be a man for like a year, joined a bowling team, tried to pick up women etc. Very illuminating: https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
The other that stuck out for me was an ftm person who said that on testosterone he suddenly gained the ability to compartmentalize. Like, even when a close family member died, he could put those feelings in a box and play basketball with his mates for an hour and then come back to it. As a woman he couldn't do that at all. I found this utterly fascinating too.
There is an interesting book called Self-Made Man by Norah Vincent in which she lives a year as a man socially. She did ask those things described above. 6 months into it, she has a nervous breakdown and was admitted into an inpatient psych unit. She concluded her experiment. Her conclusion was that she was in fact a woman irregardless off how society viewed her.
Self-Made Man: One Woman's Year Disguised as a Man https://www.amazon.com/dp/0143038702/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_SV8S6X25AYD3HM579W7A
Women and men both have their own challenges. But Norah Vincent spent 18 months disguised as a man. By the end she was suicidal and checked herself into a hospital. "It was hard being a guy. Really hard. And there were a lot of reasons for this."
>To the ladies out there who is so tired of getting heart broken by useless and immature boys, have you ever wished that you were born a guy, instead of a girl? I have. Million of times. 😔
Perhaps you would be interested in this book, "Self-Made Man: One Woman's Year Disguised as a Man" by Norah Vincent?
It might be easier for someone with similar life experiences to explain it, therefore I suggest you pick up:
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
Essentially this woman disguised herself as a man for several months, and what she experienced wrecked her preconceptions so badly that she checked herself into a mental institution afterwards.
"'Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together.'"
>my brother also has Mars conjunct Virgo Ascendant
It's funny how that works. You see a lot of heredity happening in astrological charts. My mom, paternal grandmother, and I all have Moon in Sag, maternal grandma had Moon conjunct Jupiter, and my kids have Moon in the 9th opposite Jupiter. There was an article years ago in The Mountain Astrologer about hereditary astrological signatures. It's pretty freaky.
>Another person mentioned strong Leo/sun influence
I haven't seen an association between Leo in women and gender-bending in practice. I mean, Madonna is a Leo and Marilyn Monroe had Leo rising--they're both pretty hyper-femme, not masculine at all. One thing strong Leo placements do is give a strong will, the opposite of a compliant nature, and in women some old-fashioned reptiles associate that with "masculinity." I don't.
I wish I could find chart info for the writer Norah Vincent. She's a tall (5'11" I think) lesbian who lived as a man for a year to find out what being a man in modern America was like, and wrote a great book about it: https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
There's a whole book on this very phenomenon called Self-Made Man which is very interesting!
Hey there,
Amazon has used copies for $4-ish including shipping. If that doesn't work out, PM me your address and I'll send you mine once I finish reading it.
Self-Made Man: One Woman's Year Disguised as a Man https://www.amazon.com/dp/0143038702/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_xbihzb65VESQK
this post's is literally a feminist doing exactly what you want.
I mean seriously "a young feminists compassionate view of men" is the title. this isn't even something that is all that rare.
oh and you might enjoy this book
I think it's great! It's awesome to see the world through different eyes, even if it's still somewhat anonymous. People treat you differently.
If you're interested in reading more into this sort of perspective-shifting, Self-Made Man is a great book.
>I associate it a lot with unchecked privilege in public.
http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
Buy that book. I wager you change your views in regards to men and that masculinity.
>Like taking too much space up on a train
Make the seats bigger then and more space for my legs.
Sadly, it's very rare to seen an opinion like yours so genuinely stated from a female since societal norms (possibly biological imperatives too) dictate that men deserve little empathy--the idea "a man who cannot deal with his own issues is not a real man."
If you're interested in this subject, I highly recommend the book "Self Made Man" by Nora Vincent, who is a woman that spent a year disguised as a man and infiltrating male spaces. Here's the Amazon link http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
>I have been successfully dating both men and women for the entirety of my adult life.
Dating women as a women is a much different experience from dating women as a man. For a good read on this subject, check out the book "Self Made Man" by Norah Vincent, a lesbian woman who went "undercover" masquerading as a man for a period of 18 months.
Norah Vincent interview for anyone who's curious. Skip to 9:25 if it doesn't do so automatically. The interview was about her experiences while writing "Self Made Man".
This is amazing. Thank you so much for posting this.
Link to the WaPo article for the lazy.
> There are also ways in which men deal with sexism and gender oppression that I was not aware of when I was walking around in a female body. A couple of years after my transition, I had a grad student I’d been mentoring. She started coming on to me, stalking me, sending me emails and texts. My adviser and the dean — both women — laughed it off. It went on for the better part of a year, and that was the year that I was going up for tenure. It was a very scary time. I felt very worried that if the student felt I was not returning her attentions she would claim that I had assaulted her. I felt like as a guy, I was not taken seriously. I had experienced harassment as a female person at another university and they had reacted immediately, sending a police escort with me to and from campus. I felt like if I had still been in my old body I would have gotten a lot more support.
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> I find the assertion that I am now unable to speak out on issues I find important offensive and I refuse to allow anyone to silence me. My ability to empathize has grown exponentially, because I now factor men into my thinking and feeling about situations. Prior to my transition, I rarely considered how men experienced life or what they thought, wanted or liked about their lives. I have learned so much about the lives of men through my friendships with men, reading books and articles by and for men and through the men I serve as a licensed clinical social worker.
But please read the full article instead of just my cherry-picked snippets of it =)
If you want to read more stories of people who've tried living as both, I highly recommend the book Self Made Man by Norah Vincent.
It's a book.
Read This book, or even just this extract
Norah Vincent, author of Self-Made Man, has died.
For those not familiar with the story, a feminist lesbian decided to try disguising herself to see what life as a man was like, and was shocked to discover just how much it sucks. The book is from 2003, before the train fad, and would never get published today.
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Nora Vincent's book Self Made Man also deals with the subject. It was a pretty good read as well.
>It's really classic boomer propaganda of the self-made man.
Nah, here is the true propaganda about the "self-made man":
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
Amazing book, btw.
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
I appreciated this book. She wasn't preachy or hateful about men. She just observed and lived as one and had some excellent observations about it. As a lesbian, she can take an outsiders viewpoint. In the conclusion, she comments that she doesn't want to be a man and notes that in some ways, it isn't enjoyable.
You're femsplaining, with the assumption that because you have read feminists talking in this area you understand the area. Both feminist and MRA writings are propaganda, and you need to go to the sources to get a clue - and be very critical of those.
You're also reading a ton of views into me that aren't there, seemingly to avoid confronting the fact that you have a bunch of discrimination working in your favor (just as I, as a man, have a different bunch working in my favor.)
> 2) Men actually get granted custody more often than women when they ask for it. They don't ask.
Assuming this is based on the same study as the last time I heard a similar claim: Your rendering of Chinese Whispers has made you a liar. Yes, men get custody in a majority of the cases they ask for it. This does not mean they get custody more often than women when they ask for it. The count is for the man getting any form of custody, with some instances going down to 5%. Women still end up with majority custody, including if you limit to the cases where the man asks for full custody.
As for women at various levels of education: Who takes higher education corresponds to who does better at lower levels.
Looking at who does better grouped by school (at least for my country), an interesting pattern emerges: The schools where boys do better than girls (and they do exist) usually has more male than female teachers.
When you look historically at when the results for boys vs girls changed, this also correspond to the change in gender ratio for teachers.
So yes, it is social: It is due to having a system with women teachers structuring teaching so it works better for girls. This is likely partially due to having a better personal understanding of what it's like to be a girl, and partially because of the feminist teaching that girls and women are oppressed in school and thus trying to make it better for them.
As for biological and social: Anybody that thinks that mental male/female differences are all biologically rooted has their head up their ass. Anybody that thinks that mental male/female differences are all socially rooted also has their head up their ass. And all of this gets made even more complicated by the fact that biological tendencies can in many cases be overridden by social conditioning, giving the impression that what is a combination of biological tendency + social conditioning is pure social conditioning.
For the particular case you're mentioning, there are two very obvious factors:
And last: "That's not simply a boon" - almost no privilege is. And it is always very easy to dismiss the privilege you have as unimportant and only focus on the one you don't have. The closest I know of to an datapoint on which privileges are most important is Self-Made Man - the conclusion of the author was that she preferred to have female privileges and disadvantages to male privileges and disadvantages. But that's a single shot case study, the kind of study from which scientists conclude that all clovers have four leaves, and sometimes they are green.
Self made man by Norah Vincent
Norah Vincent's book <em>Self Made Man</em> is high up on my reading list. In an interview, she said that she "ran smack up against the different between male and female sexuality ... Female is mental. It's up here [in the brain]." At 11:18, Norah "was surprised that many women had no interest in a soft, vulnerable man". "My prejudice", she said, "was that the ideal man was a woman in a man's body, and I learned 'no, that's really not it'. There are a lot of women out there who really want a manly man."
>Ultimately, Ned told most of his [female] dates that he was Norah. Many of the women reacted angrily, but usually just for a little while. Some women wanted to continue the relationship. [Heterosexual women] remained interested in pursuing something further. That's what I'm saying: [the difference] is all up here [in the brain] because they said "we connected, and there's something. I really like you, and I don't care." How many guys would do that? That's the different between male and female sexuality right there.
Would you be interested in reading about a cis woman's experience living as a man? It's actually really enlightening on gender dysphoria. Self Made Man by Norah Vincent
This entire comment only talks about the article you linked.
> This is complete and utter rubbish. Being a man is the default mode of being in our society (Simone de Beauvoir[1] ).
Omg what is that monstoracity! It's like shakespear and and Freud had a baby!
> A man would never set out to write a book on the peculiar situation of the human male.
What!? WTF. Here I'll do her even better. Here's a book written by a women who experienced just 6 months as a man Self man-man
> In the midst of an abstract discussion it is vexing to hear a man say: ‘You think thus and so because you are a woman’; but I know that my only defence is to reply: ‘I think thus and so because it is true,’
So nobody has ever told a man a ever that he thinks with his penis?
> Woman has ovaries, a uterus: these peculiarities imprison her in her subjectivity, circumscribe her within the limits of her own nature. It is often said that she thinks with her glands. Man superbly ignores the fact that his anatomy also includes glands, such as the testicles, and that they secrete hormones. He thinks of his body as a direct and normal connection with the world, which he believes he apprehends objectively, whereas he regards the body of woman as a hindrance, a prison, weighed down by everything peculiar to it. ‘The female is a female by virtue of a certain lack of qualities,’ said Aristotle; ‘we should regard the female nature as afflicted with a natural defectiveness.’ And St Thomas for his part pronounced woman to be an ‘imperfect man’, an ‘incidental’ being. This is symbolised in Genesis where Eve is depicted as made from what Bossuet called ‘a supernumerary bone’ of Adam.
These are just facts of life.... PMS is not a social construct....
This is just plain wrong. Wikipedia has a better definition. That is, > Intersectionality (or intersectionalism) is the study of intersections between forms or systems of oppression, domination or discrimination.
> ‘ She cannot think of herself without man.’ And she is simply what man decrees; thus she is called ‘the sex’, by which is meant that she appears essentially to the male as a sexual being. For him she is sex – absolute sex, no less. She is defined and differentiated with reference to man and not he with reference to her; she is the incidental, the inessential as opposed to the essential. He is the Subject, he is the Absolute – she is the Other.’
What about 'women are always right?
> But women do not say ‘We’, except at some congress of feminists or similar formal demonstration; men say ‘women’, and women use the same word in referring to themselves.
Women have far more in-group bias then men accordingthe american psycharitic association
> Now, woman has always been man’s dependant, if not his slave; the two sexes have never shared the world in equality.
In the past 99% of men were slaves. Serfs were pratically considered a slave class! If women were slaves to men then they were slaves of slaves. In fact the word boy used to be the french word for servant.
> In addition to all this, they enjoy a traditional prestige that the education of children tends in every way to support, for the present enshrines the past – and in the past all history has been made by men. At the present time, when women are beginning to take part in the affairs of the world, it is still a world that belongs to men – they have no doubt of it at all and women have scarcely any.
This is rubbish. The woman's temperance union single handedly convinced the entire nation to give up alcohol before women were even given the right to vote
> To decline to be the Other, to refuse to be a party to the deal – this would be for women to renounce all the advantages conferred upon them by their alliance with the superior caste. Man-the-sovereign will provide woman-the-liege with material protection and will undertake the moral justification of her existence; thus she can evade at once both economic risk and the metaphysical risk of a liberty in which ends and aims must be contrived without assistance.
/\ This is a mutual relationship. Men are stronger, so they can protect the family, and they can work harder. This is a much more charitable view on men through history then what has been espoued so far!
> But it will be asked at once: how did all this begin? It is easy to see that the duality of the sexes, like any duality, gives rise to conflict. And doubtless the winner will assume the status of absolute. But why should man have won from the start? It seems possible that women could have won the victory; or that the outcome of the conflict might never have been decided. How is it that this world has always belonged to the men and that things have begun to change only recently? Is this change a good thing? Will it bring about an equal sharing of the world between men and women?
Men have never owned the world. The 1% of rich men have owned the world
> These questions are not new, and they have often been answered. But the very fact that woman is the Other tends to cast suspicion upon all the justifications that men have ever been able to provide for it. These have all too evidently been dictated by men’s interest. A little-known feminist of the seventeenth century, Poulain de la Barre, put it this way: ‘All that has been written about women by men should be suspect, for the men are at once judge and party to the lawsuit.’ Everywhere, at all times, the males have displayed their satisfaction in feeling that they are the lords of creation. ‘Blessed be God ... that He did not make me a woman,’ say the Jews in their morning prayers, while their wives pray on a note of resignation: ‘Blessed be the Lord, who created me according to His will.’ The first among the blessings for which Plato thanked the gods was that he had been created free, not enslaved; the second, a man, not a woman. But the males could not enjoy this privilege fully unless they believed it to be founded on the absolute and the eternal; they sought to make the fact of their supremacy into a right. ‘Being men, those who have made and compiled the laws have favoured their own sex, and jurists have elevated these laws into principles’, to quote Poulain de la Barre once more.
Yes religion praises men over women. Below the ever articulate christopher hitchens talks about the joys of religious influenced genital mutilation(oops I ment circumcision)
> In proving woman’s inferiority, the anti-feminists then began to draw not only upon religion, philosophy, and theology, as before, but also upon science – biology, experimental psychology, etc. At most they were willing to grant ‘equality in difference’ to the other sex. That profitable formula is most significant; it is precisely like the ‘equal but separate’ formula of the Jim Crow laws aimed at the North American Negroes. As is well known, this so-called equalitarian segregation has resulted only in the most extreme discrimination. The similarity just noted is in no way due to chance, for whether it is a race, a caste, a class, or a sex that is reduced to a position of inferiority, the methods of justification are the same. ‘
OMG, she just compared sexism to jim crow! My hand has facepalmed so hard that where my face begings and my hand ends has become a schrodingers delamia. When should we exspect 12 Years a White Women to arrive in theatres?
You should consider reading this: http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
Some background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU
> I think it's a nifty little confidence booster if you're deficient in that area,
Which is the default state for many men to a degree women can't really relate to, unless they go crossdress as a guy and go undercover for 18 months.
>If you have never been sexually attracted to women, you will never quite understand the monumental power of female sexuality, except by proxy or in theory, nor will you quite know the immense advantage it gives us over men. Dating women as a man was a lesson in female power, and it made me, of all things, into a momentary misogynist, which I suppose was the best indicator that my experiment had worked. I saw my own sex from the other side, and I disliked women irrationally for a while because of it. I disliked their superiority, their accusatory smiles, their entitlement to choose or dash me with a fingertip, an execution so lazy, so effortless, it made the defeats and even the successes unbearably humiliating. Typical male power feels by comparison like a blunt instrument, its salvos and field strategies laughably remedial next to the damage a woman can do with a single cutting word: no. > >Sex is most powerful in the mind, and to men, in the mind, women have a lot of power, not only to arouse, but to give worth, self-worth, meaning, initiation, sustenance, everything. Seeing this more clearly through my experience, I began to wonder whether the most extreme men resort to violence with women because they think that's all they have, their one pathetic advantage over all she seems to hold above them. I make no excuses for this. There are none. But as a man I felt vaguely attuned to this mind-set or its possibility. I did not inhabit it, but I thought I saw how rejection might get twisted beyond recognition in the mind of a discarded male where misogyny and ultimately rape may be a vicious attempt to take what cannot be taken because it has not been bestowed.
I like to recommend the book Self Made Man. This is actually one of the chapters in the book and the author answers the questions you pose.
Educate your ignorant, hateful self
https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
If you are truly curious why not read this book? https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
> has said that it happens in 100% of games
What I'm saying is that, out of thousands of games, I've seen it happen so near-zero that I'm not saying it "isn't 100%" -- it isn't even 50%. It isn't even 10%. It isn't even 1%. Unless the woman starts being toxic, I don't see her getting harrassed any more than a man in the same exact situation.
> and you are lucky to be a male–the expected default–in your hobby.
I've seen enough women carried that I disagree. I've seen enough diamond-level women streaming successfully while you need to be a GM+ level male streaming successfully that I disagree. I've read Self-Made Man enough to know that the perceived advantages of Tumblr Patriarchy are only perceived.
If you are being harrassed for "being normal" (which I assume you mean "being toxic" since toxicity is pretty normal), then you may want to try no longer being toxic.
I'd wager that if I queued with you and we played 10 games and you talked in every single game, saying "Hey guys" and making reasonable callouts, that you would not get a "fucking bitch" just for talking in even a single game. Guarantee it. I'd put money down on it. I suspect about 40-60% of the games someone will go "OMG A GIRL" and start beta-orbitting, but that's it.
But I'm also willing to wager that you'll be too busy constantly making passive-aggressive suggestions to others explaining to them how to play their character in order to keep the games untainted.
As they say, if everyone smells like shit, maybe you should check your shoes.
oh and this book definitely does not exist at all:
http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
and this was definitely never aired on abc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU
and there definitely were not any issues described in either of those non-existent things that could be described as "gender specific" to men.
Before I reply, I'd invite you to check out the book Self-Made Man by Norah Vincent. A woman who disguised herself as a man for 18 months - she suffered from depression after the experiment and said that since the experiment, she's never been more glad to be female.
> but society isn't built in a way that stops men from freedoms nearly as much as it does women.
Oh really? Come with me on an imaginary journey, if you may.
Let's say it's Saturday night, and I'm in the mood for a little love. I put on my best-looking clothes and head out for a night on the town. ...However, if I happen to be a black male there's a very good chance I'll get pulled over randomly by the police, and hell, possibly even shot to death. But let's skip over that unpleasantness.
I go to a bar and it's my lucky night! I find a girl, we hit it off, and after a few drinks she comes back to my place for a night of sex. We part ways amicably, but when she goes home and her roommate asks where she was and she answers honestly, her roommate insists she was raped - if she was drunk, she couldn't have possibly given consent. She tells some of her friends about the hookup, but they judge her harshly for it, and she decides that hey, maybe it was rape. If she decides to take this to the authorities I will be arrested. We actually did have sex, so my DNA is going to be on/in her, and the burden of proving that it was consensual will fall on my shoulders. Meanwhile following my arrest I will most likely lose my job and a number of friends/family who decided I'm guilty before hearing the whole story.
But okay, maybe that's an extreme. She's not gonna level false-rape charges on me. Whew! But she did get pregnant. Whoops! I'm at no position in my life to have kids...but unfortunately I have zero say in the matter now. Whether or not she keeps the child is 100% up to her. If she can prove that the child is mine I'll be paying her child support for the next couple of decades. The sex may have been consensual, but everything that happens afterwards is completely out of my hands.
Maybe we really hit it off at the bar, and I decide I'm gonna do the right thing and marry this woman. It's a modest yet nice ceremony with a relaxing honeymoon. Not long after the baby is born she decides that as a mother sex no longer has a place in her life. Years go by and we haven't been physically intimate in any way, shape, or form. I can't impress on her to improve because that's marital rape. She won't let me get it elsewhere because that's cheating. And if I divorce I'm the scumbag who divorced his wife over sex.
Meanwhile I find out through the grapevine that my wife also hooked up with guys the Friday/Sunday of the week that we did. Becoming suspicious I have a paternity test done on "our" child, and guess what Maury - I am not the father! I also find out that my wife - while withholding intimacy from me - has been sleeping with other guys on a weekly basis. I confront my wife with this info, and she becomes violent. Hitting me, breaking things, throwing herself into walls. Fearing for our safety, I call the police. When they arrive, they will arrest me. My wife may not say anything and I'll be arrested on suspicion of domestic violence, but if she says "I attacked him in self-defense" then I'm definitely going to get arrested. Meanwhile, just like with the rape accusation, I'm probably going to get fired and lose family/friends over the assumption that I'm guilty.
I pay my legal fees and manage to avoid jail and the conviction and I decide enough is enough. I want a divorce. Wife says fine, but she swears to take me to the cleaners. She knew this was coming and had been studying up on the best way to take as much from me as possible. I pour out my pockets for a good divorce lawyer, and he does what he can, but she still manages to get a fair chunk of my assets as well as my finances. Never mind that the divorce is pretty much all her fault. Oh, and the kid? Even though I have DNA results that show the kid isn't mine, the judge has ruled that as the legal guardian I'm still obligated to pay monthly child support. Oh, and if I want to be involved in their life...weekends.
This isn't some flight of fancy, some far-fetched dream. These are current events, the state of society that we live in. Again, if you think men have it easy, you are sorely mistaken.
http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
Not MRA specific, but it gives you some perspective.
> caused by systematic patriarchy
Pardon me for saying this but this is 100% pure bullshit. You can't even define what patriarchy is. It's just a feminist code word for 'men'. Patriarchy - in the original sense of the word - means fathers ruling their families. Nowadays fathers don't rule anything, in fact mothers have tons more rights while fathers only have responsibilities. Feminists started using the word 'patriarchy' referring to an invisible male conspiracy oppressing women, which is one of the silliest notions of all time. So, saying "men have problems too but patriarchy" is just a lame excuse to sweep them and their problems under the rug as something that is caused by their own sillyness. I have never seen a feminist actually addressing a male-specific problem in a constructive and helpful way. Yay for equality!
> Regarding the M&M ad specifically. It was made in response to the whole "Not All Men" stuff following the killings of women in California, I believe.
Regardless of what it responds to it's pure hatred. Try saying that 10% of blacks, jews or women are "poisonous" and see what'll happen. But feminists demonizing men is a-okay...
> The M&M Ad is trying to bring attention to the fact that yeah, not all men are sexist assholes, but some are. The same goes with feminists. Not all are sexist assholes, but some are.
This logic means that if you take offence at people saying feminists hate men you should also take offence at the M&M bullshit. Or is it ok if I start an international campaign about how 10% of feminists are poisonous and people are justified in hating all feminists because it is impossible to know who belongs to the 10%?
> this man who has grown up in Egypt, went undercover as a woman and discovered the unrelenting harassment that women endure in his country
This women lived as a man for 18 months and had a serious mental breakdown because of it. IN THE EFFIN' UNITED STATES. Read about it, it's educational.
> Catcalling is uncomfortable, and scary for the person it is happening to.
And you know this because you know every woman on the planet personally. Oh wait, no, you contradict yourself in the very next sentence:
> For some women, they don't care, or they take pride in being catcalled
How is a man supposed to know how'll you react until trying? If it's uncomfortable for you just don't answer, instead of trying to demonize men (and other women who have no problem with it).
> an example of society objectifying people being catcalled
Objectification is bullshit. A man who finds a woman beautiful does not view her as an object. It takes twisted feminist logic to say that the more people find you desirable the more oppressed you are. But of course if you happen to be overweight and men don't find you desirable it's also men's fault, so, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Feminism in a nutshell.
> I've never met or come across a radical, man-hating feminist unless I've specifically gone out to seek it
Turn on the TV or open a newspaper and you're bound to see one in less than a minute. Anyone who keeps on spewing factually disproven anti-male lies is a radical. Just to name a few: Hillary Clinton, Harriet Harman, Julia Gillard, Jessica Valenti, Amanda Marcotte. They all feed people misandrist bullshit about the non-existent wage gap, the invisible patriarchy, rape culture and whatnot. Tell me what any of that has to do with equal rights...
http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/dp/0143038702
Yep women are totally attracted to feminine men, to men that are open with their emotions, that are not stoic, that have jobs like being a teacher.
With my fraternity brothers, we don't care if one of us cries, we give him support, we talk about our feelings and our problems. But guess who finds that behavior unattractive, guess who looks upon a crying man emotional man with disdain.
to quote an anonymous, "My wife and daughters would rather see me die on my horse than fall off of it."
The only reason my friends and I do 1/2 the shit we do is because women find it attractive, it was up to me i would get a history and education degree and teach highschool history, but guess who doesn't get laid. So I'm going economics and finance, LOOK at the JOBS men go into.
Hard STRESSFUL >>>high paying<<< take a gander why. Most of my friends dislike their majors but guess what's sexier an account executive or a teacher TO THE MAJORITY OF ATTRACTIVE WOMEN.
I women just starting going buckwild after a teacher, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS, more men go into teaching. If the education major pulled more than the econ major frat star football player then guess what ---> more men will go into education.