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Yes, you’ll need much more. You can bring the light closer to the plant so that it gets more light for now, but consider something like this.
100 watts, spectrum tuned for plants. Good value. There are others with comparable specs for similar prices too! Spider farmer isn’t the only good light manufacturer
Pretty impressive.
Here is the math for your lights/yield.
70 Grams / 200 Watts = .35 Grams per Watt.
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This light is rated at 2.5 grams per Watt.
250 Grams / 100 Watts = 2.5 Grams per Watt.
For my money, something like this Spider Farmer board is a really good entry-level light. It has a Meanwell driver attached, and uses Samsung LM301B diodes, a good all around LED. It regularly goes on sale for under $100 USD, so it isn't the cheapest option, but it is the best value (in my opinion). Only draws about 100 W of power at the wall, so won't affect your power bill too much, but throws plenty of light for seedlings, as well as room for 3-6 fully grown plants underneath (depending on what you are growing, obviously).
Indoor grower here. I grow in my basement. Currently growing Ghost reapers, bell peppers, habaneros, Numex Orange habaneros and candy cane peppers. Some lettuce and radishes. I got a mix of soil and hydroponics. But slowly shifting to all hydro.
A few main things:
- Depending where you grow inside temperatures will be a concern. Lower temperatures stunt growth. It will grow but take longer. I am in the basement with grow tents. So I can maintain about 60F inside the tent without any heaters at night. Once the lights are on, it reaches about 75F which is perfect.
- Costs, really comes down to your knowledge and making few mistakes throughout the process.
- Grow lights are important and are not all equal! This was my first light Spyder Farmer SF1000 and was provided more than enough for 6 of my pepper plants in a 4x4 tent. You are going to see a lot of recommendations for how much light you really need. Most of its for medicinal use.
- Try starting small to get the hang of it. Buy a relatively cheap AeroGarden and place it anywhere. You can grow leafy greens fairly easily. Even seen people do cherry tomato's.
This should do you nicely, or you could look for a knock off and save some bucks. My advice is buy the best light you can afford, because you will probably upgrade at some point.
Shoot I guess it’s not 1,000 lol 2022 Update Diode SPIDER FARMER SF1000D LED Grow Light Use with Samsung LM301B Sunlike Full Spectrum Grow Lights for Indoor Plants Seeding Veg Flower Growing Lamps 3000K 5000K 660nm 760nm IR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084L1Y7KR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_AAV4TAN7AVXK51584X0J?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
2022 Update Diode SPIDER FARMER SF1000D LED Grow Light Use with Samsung LM301B Sunlike Full Spectrum Grow Lights for Indoor Plants Seeding Veg Flower Growing Lamps 3000K 5000K 660nm 760nm IR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084L1Y7KR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_FVPNTDME0F33Y8MRGF5J?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I run the Spider Farmer SF1000D (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084L1Y7KR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_VABJC2DW6JV7Y527RC3D?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1) in my 2x2. It’s 100w and works perfect for me. I run 20/4, it pushed my electricity bill up by $15 and doesn’t get very hot. I just finished 2 plants, two 3 gallon pots in my 2x2 and harvested 1/2 pound (was running Sour Stomper & Double Grape).
MAYBE at first you’ll doubt being able to grow great weed with a great yield in such a small space, but I can promise you it can for sure be done.
Big ol grow lights. I'd prob try a 100W panel, but probably a couple at least because one on top won't penetrate the canopy very well (unless you put it in a spot with decent light already)
The recommendation you got earlier in the thread for a $10 3-pack of grow lights will be completely insufficient, even if you use all of them.
Would this light be good/safe in a 36x20 tent/tote? Spider Farmer 1000D
I wouldn't try to grow one of these indoors with anything lower than 75-100W actual draw LEDs, like this for example which I use to grow basil in a closet year round! That should be enough to maintain for the winter, though won't produce major growth or flowering.
In general, be careful when comparing lights as the manufacturers are dishonest af about actual power draw and output. Spider Farmer panels and Sansi bulbs never let me down though.
I believe your light isn’t sufficiently strong enough for the hibiscuses. I have 5 that I brought indoors and I keep them in a grow tent and use quantum board grow lights (like a setup for growing marijuana, but I only have tropical plants 😂) and they thrive in there. I would recommend getting something like that type of light and probably adding a humidifier and seeing if that helps.
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This is the light I have, I bought it in a lightning deal for $70 and it worked so well that I bought another one. However I have a bunch of plants in my tent so I don’t think you need more than 1 of these
Unfortunately not I’m a first time grower I have a spider farm sf1000D
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As it stands, the light I am using is this one I don’t yet have a mister, but I keep my indoor plants in a large seed tray I could add water to to help humidity.
For sure. What do you think about this.. SPIDER FARMER 2x2 ft LED Grow Light Use with Samsung LEDs Sunlike Full Spectrum Grow Lights for Indoor Plants Seeding Veg Flower Greenhouse Growing Lamps 3000K 5000K 660nm 760nm IR (SF1000D) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084L1Y7KR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_PNJ6B3FRMS368EAQ7G8D?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Lots of good advice in this thread. As someone who has grown a multitude of indoor plants, the "blurple" lights are not worth the investment cost when compared to other LED lights that are available. The cost of better LEDs has gone down exponentially, and the blurple lights CONSUME energy like it's going out of style and put off much more heat.
Personally, I use and love Spider Farmer, this light would probably cover all your needs for a while. Another poster suggested some T5 style LEDs, those are good too. I think you said this was all indoors, so the ambient heat will matter.
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Sweet deal!
A tube, like one of the ones that would go in a fluorescent fixture? I don't know about that, since you might end up losing a lot of light over the edges. Also the wattage isn't very high. Look into a COB led. Like this one, this might be overkill but it's close.
I found what I think is a pretty good Amazon deal, If you don’t mind taking a look at it for me. SPIDER FARMER 2x2 ft LED Grow Light Use with Samsung LEDs Sunlike Full Spectrum Grow Lights for Indoor Plants Seeding Veg Flower Greenhouse Growing Lamps 3000K 5000K 660nm 760nm IR (SF1000D) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084L1Y7KR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_Q4E18T1VRM87F7Q7RE72?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I started looking into the wattage last night bc of this post and I am in over my head, it’s a lot more complex than I ever knew. Someone recommended this to me, what do you think? I have one more plant and I might have up to 3 at some point.
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This $89 light is 100 Watts @ 2.5 Grams per watt = 250 Grams = 8.9 Ounces
Thats the best $89 you'll ever spend. 20% coupon as well
Are your lights blurple/purple/red?
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These latest tech light will pay for itself in the first grow. These would both be great in our space. The 150 Watts will be much hotter so you gotta think about venting the heat out of your tent. You could always dim these down if it gets too hot. Even dimmed these are amazing. If you got the spider farmer for $89, you could probably dim it down to 50-60 watts and you would get 4+ ounces. These "Grams Per Watt" are assuming that you top your plant and make a canopy/scrog net.
This Mars Hydro is $126. 150 Watts @ 2.5 Grams per watt = 375 Grams = 13.39 Ounces.
Also, I've posted this elsewhere. The coupon looks expired.
>This $89 light is100 Watts @ 2.5 Grams per watt = 250 Grams = 8.9 Ounces
Thats the best $89 you'll ever spend. 20% coupon as well
What would probably be ideal is a grow bulb with a narrower beam. Unfortunately they are not the easiest thing to find.
The reality is what would work best for the plants is some kind of quantum board with UV, similar to these- https://www.amazon.com/Spider-Farmer-Compatible-Samsung-Spectrum/dp/B084L1Y7KR/ . Here's a comparison - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjOSzSF-HI .
These offer an insane amount of power at a very low price. About 5x the power your existing bulb has, with a much wider area. However, they're so bright they'll introduce about as much light as your window, which brings us to a fundamental issue when it comes to gardening indoors - if you're growing plants that want full or partial sun, you need a lot of light; enough that it can be uncomfortably bright.
EDIT: Whoa, I think I may have actually stumbled across something with a reasonable beam angle and good output- https://www.amazon.com/CFGROW-Spectrum-Seedlings-Flowering-Growing/dp/B08VNHFXKR/
Your grow-light link isn't formatted properly for reddit (so it got rejected) but I figured it out. I'm just smart like that. 😎 😁
Here is a reddit-friendly link for anyone else who might come across this post: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B084L1Y7KR/
Anyway, a friend whom I consider to be a premier lithops grower uses these...SANlight LED Module S2W. But then they cost an arm and a leg more than mine. 😆 It’s no longer in stock but at least you can glean some data from the site. The distance to the lamps varies but for this watts/PAR/etc it's usually between 15–30 cm / 6–12 inches for his setup.
They are on Amazon for $89.
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084L1Y7KR?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
SPIDER FARMER 2x2 ft LED Grow... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084L1Y7KR?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share here’s the specs. This only cover 2x2 so I have another brand in there too. 4X2 tent
Maker claims of coverage areas are entirely arbitrary. Almost all grow lights have very wide beam angles, so light falls off continuously from center out. They simply pick an area they think people will find their light adequate for. Very often, the fall-off to the corners of a two-foot square is 50%. Now plants have quite a tolerance, so long as some minimum is met, so it's not so bad.
The most knowledgeable and confident approach is from the plant's needs out. Here is a DLI chart. Each sort of plant does best when it is provided with an appropriate Daily Light Interval, which is simply a measure of a given amount of light falling on it for a known number of hours. Usually, we look at anything from ten to 14 hours.
The two variables are hours and PPFD. PPFD, without getting into technicalities, is the intensity of light falling on a surface a particular distance from the light. When you look at sales listing for grow lights, you generally see a PPFD map of prospective growing areas showing PPFD for sectors of that area. The maps are given for different heights. Alternatively, they may show you a diagram showing an angle of light with different heights marked with PPFD numbers. Obviously, they use the center PPFD measurement. Fall-off will be similar to that shown on the maps.
Using the chart, you can locate the approximate useful DLI values for the plants you want to grow. That gives you Hour/PPFD pairs to choose from. Sometimes, choices are compromises for plants with different DLI preferences or different specific light hours preferences.
Now, let's look at a randomly selected grow light claiming 2x2 coverage.
https://www.amazon.com/Spider-Farmer-Compatible-Samsung-Spectrum/dp/B084L1Y7KR
On that page, find the PPFD maps. Look at the one for the light mounted at 18 inches high, which is fairly low. The center PPDF is 602. The corner is 372. Now back to the DLI chart.
Call the center 600 and the corner 400. At 8 hours, the center DLI will be 17, and the corner will be 11.5 . But note that most of the area is around 13 to 14. That's where I'm interested. Also note that fall-off is relatively great because the light is mounted on 18 inches above a 2-foot square, so the angles to the edges make them much farther than the distance light to center. For a more powerful light, mounted higher, the light would fall much more evenly across the area. But if we love this light much higher, it won't be adequate.
Now look below the chart at the recommended DLI's for different plants. Lettuce and leafy greens says 12+. Meaning the lettuce want's a DLI of at least 12. It would take a great deal more light to be too much light for it. So our light, mounted at 18 inches, providing a broad area of DLI between 11.5 and 17 and mostly about 13 or 14 would be just about right for lettuce. It could be planted as densely as you saw fit, limited on by physically interference between plants. You could probably even get by on out to a 3-foot square, since lettuce isn't very picky.
And very clearly such a light has nothing limiting its beam angle to fall upon such a small area, so obviously some of its light is wasted by falling outside the prospective growing area. You can recover some of that with reflective walls around the growing area.
You can apply this process to any light with known PPFD numbers.
All these things a decisions to make. The good news is that if you get anywhere close, you're probably okay. We also learned that, at least for this maker's light, their saying it will cover 2x2 was a valid claim, assuming their metering was honest, which it probably was. PAR meters for measuring such things are expensive, but there are enough of them (I have one) around that someone would have called them on a false claim.
One more mention. Most greens will not grow up into a light at 18 inches. Some may. But my basil grows up and into the actually fixture and reflectors of it's light without coming to any harm. Lettuce might burn the tips by doing that, but lettuce doesn't generally get so high. And remember that the DLI will be different for different distances up a plant's structure. But again, if you get close, it will work, so you don't have to be strictly 18 inches from the surface in our example. You could be two feet up and still be 18 inches above the foliage of most things.
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I’m not that savvy with hardware but this is what I’ve got. It’s about 6 in from the plant with all the leaf drop.
I use this one in my 4x2.
It is this one , believe it is the sf-1000d
Can’t add pic but here’s a link! Thanks in advance light
Lighting is almost always the most expensive part of growing indoors. Whether it's a lot of money depends on you own view. But remember that LED grow lights have a long useful life, so the cost spread over years isn't bad.
There are no fabulous bargains and not many basic options. Some save a bit by buying components and building their own lights, but the cost is not extraordinary. Do not short the lighting, or your efforts will be frustrated. We see a lot of problem plants posted here that are obviously going short of light, growing tall and spindly and unproductive.
How much light power. There is a rough rule of 32 actual LED consumption per square foot of growing area with the light mounted at 18 inches. This assumes, of course, that the configuration of the light is such that all that light goes to the growing area. Many of the LED screw in bulbs have such wide beam widths that the light that would otherwise be enough for a square foot is spread out so far that the square foot gets five watts of it. Not going to work.
Beware that many sellers highlight a high wattage number, but it's not the true consumption but the equivalent to that power in another technology. You're going to pay $60 to $90 for 60 to 100 watts. The higher prices will be from the more reliable and better known companies.
Not a specific recommendation, but take this example:
https://www.amazon.com/Spider-Farmer-Compatible-Samsung-Spectrum/dp/B084L1Y7KR/
Well known seller. 100 watts. 2'x2' unit. They claim use for a 3'x3' area, but that's nine square feet, and 100 watts is shorting it. I has a high beam width, so unless you mount it very low, a lot will be wasted. But it does need to be mounted close if it's to light a 2'x2' area. About one foot above foliage will bring it close to target power.
A light mounted low will need to be raised as plants grow taller. And with very tall plants, as the light distance increases, the lower leaves will suffer from low light. But for cherry tomatoes of small size and basil, it's manageable.
Let's take a step up.
https://www.amazon.com/MARS-HYDRO-Spectrum-Hydroponic-Fixtures/dp/B07PLZLKVM/
Mars. Top company. 2'x4' configuration. Reflector edges to keep the light in the useful area. 300 watts. Call it good for lighting a 2' x 4' growing shelf mounted at about two feet. Could be mounted on a slant to accommodate tomatoes on one end and basil on the other. Comes with dimmer, timer and temperature humidity, which is useful to know.
$270. See how the dollars per watt are pretty predictable. And if you may grow on a slightly larger scale one day, a good investment.
Note the coverage maps in the listings. The light falls off quickly from the center. So I would not want anything less than the first unit to grow two healthy plants in buckets. You will want two buckets. Tomatoes get quite bushy, and a basil can't share that space without suffering.
I would recommend using the Deep Water Culture (DWC) method in buckets. The other hardware you need are an air pump and air stones of the aquarium sort. About a ten watt air pump. Much experience has shown mechanical aeration grows more productive plants than Kratky passive aeration.
Here's one of many tutorials on making a DWC bucket.
Most all of these will show that water level tube being put in. I no longer do that. It's a fair amount of work and a chance for a leak, and I now just peak under the lid to check every week. A flashlight is standard equipment.
But you can see how simple. Multiple buckets can be served by one air pump of sufficient size.
Good advice so far. A minimum of a 100 watt draw LED based light. Not the "blurple" but the quantum board style. Dimmer capability is nice. Amazon has both good and bad like most items. A few brands that are popular or Mars Hydro, Viperspectra, Maxisun, Bloom Plus, HLG and Spider Farmer. A few minutes of checking these out will be worth your while. Here is just one example of a light that is good for up to 20"x20" area or maybe a bit more. https://www.amazon.com/Spider-Farmer-Compatible-Samsung-Spectrum/dp/B084L1Y7KR
Mars Hydro is $126. 150 Watts @ 2.5 Grams per watt = 375 Grams = 13.39 Ounces.
Spiderfarmer $89 (with 20% off coupon) light is 100 Watts @ 2.5 Grams per watt = 250 Grams = 8.9 Ounces
Mars Hydro TS600W is 100 Watts @ 2.0 Grams per watt = 200 Grams = 7.14 Ounces
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