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Im going to get downvoted to shit for this; I recently finished reading Spygate: The Untold Story and it seems like a very well researched, well written book that I feel raises some valid questions. Anyone else read this? If what he is saying in the book is true, the Patriots were doing far more than just "taping a few practices."
Here's something to look at. Some people love to minimize the whole SpyGate fiasco, but the evidence is out there. You just have to open your eyes.
Put your head in the sand for all I care. I'm not here to educate you, you can educate yourself.
EDIT 4: figured id put this edit at the top.from 10 upvotes to now -1. im surprised my comments stayed at the top as long as it did before finally being voted down though, props to the guys who kept it going with upvotes before the spygate apologists finally took it down.
its crazy how after all these years spygate is still a HUGE no no to even joke about in the nfl. players aren't allowed to comment on it, joke about it, nothing. any mention of it and coaches and players immediately retract their comments on it.there is no doubt in my mind the nfl puts pressure on these guys so they retract their comments afterwards.
it really seems like the nfl has gone out of their way to make sure something that should have been a huge blemish on the nfl stays squashed. even people on here are trained to downvote spygate comments. but the bottom line is ask anyone you know who is not a patriots or tom brady fan and ask them some of the first things that come to their mind about the patriots, spygate is right in the top 3 or 4 easily. and no matter what happens its going to be part of brady's and billichick's legacy no matter what anyone says. its not just a few people that feel that way. its not just bills fans or jets fans or dolphins fans.its a LOT of people . whether people on here want to admit it or not.
EDIT: not saying this is a smoking gun of any kind, but if anyone wants a further look of questions on spygate check out Bryan O'Leary's book "Spygate: The Untold Story:
its covers a lot of questions that should have been asked.
EDIT 2: Hear it from players:
Marshall Faulk: Faulk added more fuel to the old controversy by telling Curran that the Patriots were ready for plays that the Rams had never run in the red zone before – plays Faulk said were only practiced at that walk-through.
"Any time that I was offset, I was always stationary," Faulk told ComcastSportsnet. "And we had (created) motioning in the backfield at the same depth on the other side of the field. And they created a check for it. It's just little things like that.
"It's either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you'd seen it and knew what to do."
Kurt Warner: " I will say that I don't know how you can't wonder, how you can't wonder if something did happen, if there was an advantage. I simply say that because to know that there was evidence out there, that there were tapes out there, but no one ever got to see the tapes—the commissioner or whoever decided they were going to destroy them from what I understand—and so it continually leaves the question.”
EDIT 3: this has gone from having 10 upvotes to 4. dont let the patriots fans and nfl spygate sympathizers downvote this thread! if you even agree a little with what was said here upvote this at least enough to keep it relevant in the thread so others who agree see it! dont let it get crushed like the nfl did with spygate.
Pretty sure you are being deliberately obtuse here.
I'm sure Brady destroyed his phone because there was nothing to it right?
Just admit y'all cheated and it kills the story ,but every time it is disputed I will bring receipts,and conservatively expose ten people each time,to the true narrative.
You’ll be downvoted but if you ever read the Spygate book, which not many have, they did a statistical analysis of Pats home wins in the Belicheck and Brady era. It’s nearly a statistical impossibility.
It was a huge deal actually. If one drive in an entire game was kept alive from a stolen signal, and that drive led to just a FG, that’s the difference between winning and losing most of their games when Brady was on the rise.
Read the book - https://www.amazon.com/Spygate-Untold-Story-Bryan-OLeary/dp/0985467002
Edit: Nice to see people downvoting even though all the info is sourced.
The Pats were dressing up team personnel in non descriptive clothing and having them video tape certain things before every snap, basically down, distance, and the signal of the opposing team. It was mostly offensive signals but at least some defensive signals too.
The video recording equipment would have the red recoding light turned off so it didn’t look obvious.
The footage would be spliced and and given to Ernie Adams. He would review it all.
Basically the coaches would see the opposing team’s signal, “crack” it based on tape, and then radio to Brady about what he would see (if I recall correctly some defensive players also had mics so they would hear the offensive line calls on the field and then pair it with the footage).
The most controversial part is the cutoff for radio communications. Doug Flutie publicly told a store where he was backing up Brady and accidentally picked up Brady’s second helmet on the sideline. Flutie said the coaches were telling Brady what to do way after the transmission should have ended by rule (for example, the radio cuts out with less than 10 seconds on the play clock).
Lots of fans point out the Marshall Faulk story. What many fans disregard is that although it’s true the walkthrough was NOT filmed, Pats personnel were there and reported back to team officials what they saw. They also taped the Rams earlier that very season.
ESPN has reported they did other things too like steal play sheets from opposing locker rooms. And of course the deflating scandal.
The NFL totally botched the Spygate investigation which is another story. Basically they destroyed all the evidence without even taking the time to review it and see what the Pats were actually doing. They actually destroyed the tapes in Foxborough without sending them to the League to be reviewed.
And yes, it’ll illegal to film from the sidelines and the Pats and all other teams were warned in a memo about it before the scandal broke.
I highly recommend https://www.amazon.com/Spygate-Untold-Story-Bryan-OLeary/dp/0985467002