Yeah, i got the tent for my first ever trip (superbloom 2005 in death valley) and wasn't really thinking about weight at the time. But i'm the worlds cheapest man so since then i've just sucked it up and humped it but i have been thinking about replacing it. Was thinking about getting an A-Frame like this: http://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Backpack-Forest-6-Feet-X4-Feet/dp/B0006V2B2I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453219793&sr=8-1&keywords=scout+tent
Any thoughts?
Ive really only done summer trips so far, but definitely want to start doing 3 season so you're definitely right about the bag. Was thinking about going the old school route for cold weather and getting a queen and twin size 100% wool instead of a bag. Not sure if anybody has any experience with that.
Thanks brother
Stansport Scout, about as basic a tent as you can find. You can find others on Amazon, but they're all pretty much the same. I used one in the 70's as a Scout and I really wouldn't use one today for a lot of reasons... but the main one was that it was hard to get in and out as a teen without knocking the pole out of place and collapsing the tent (or have others steal your poles in the middle of the night). Can't see it being easy as an adult to get in and out without knocking over the poles.
Klymit Static V. Pretty good pad for the price. Of course you can find cheaper knock-offs, but this one is fairly well rated and comfortable enough and warm enough for three seasons. But if you want something for winter, you'll need something a lot more expensive like the Exped Downmat 9.
A sleeping bag down to -18C, think you need to go with a good bag like the Feathered Friends Widgeon. Not something I'd like to carry with me during the summer, you might want to pick up a nice 30F bag for the other three seasons.
Amazon Basics now carries a very popular cookset. The Etekcity Stove is a good stove for the price; the quality isn't as good as the MSR Pocket Rocket 2, but you get two for $20 which is a really good deal. While you can buy one for $15, might as well spend a few extra bucks and get a spare.
As for the FAK, I try to carry the smallest one possible, one that I've whipped together based on what I usually need. However, if you're looking for a bug-out bag, you may want a nice big kit like the Adventure Medical Sportsman Series which can deal with more serious wounds. Still, you can just look around, there plenty of lists for building your own kit.
The other thing you'll need is a water purifier. The ones backpackers use like the Sawyer Squeeze are considered "filters", they're designed to draw water from clean fresh sources and can fliter out things like Crypto and Giardia but not pollutants like heavy metals or pesticides; for a bug out bag you may want a more expensive purifier that can remove heavy metals and chemicals. Actually don't have a recommendation there... but you could just pick up a Sawyer and make sure you draw from clean sources.
I recommend getting an Opinel No. 9, and if you are going in the winter and your bag isn’t all that great a Life Bivy will save your ass. And for first time camping get something like the $30 Scout tent on Amazon im a Boy Scout, 14 myself and have used that tent on around 10 camp outs it’s a reliable tent and small. For a mess kit I’d say just get a metal one, so you can cook with it. Don’t cheap out too much on this because if it’s a hot fire it can go through the thin metal. I’d also get at least 2 ways of water purification, Chem tabs and a life straw I’d recommend. A metal water bottle so you can boil water in it. I’d also recommend getting the like $2 pack of bic lighters. And some Fat wood from Walmart (if you can’t find it get some Coghlan's fire sticks). I’d also recommend spending at least $35 on a first aid kit! Don’t go cheap on your safety! Another thing useful would be a folding saw or a hatchet. Another thing would be a nice pair of boots (waterproof if you have the budget). A Poncho would be good and some bug spray. That’s about all I can think off
Tent- Stansport Scout Backpack Tent https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006V2B2I/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9jWaDbZ0YR11N
Opinel Knife- Opinel No9 Bechwood Handle Carbon Steel Knife, 9 cm Blade https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UVCUOI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_VsWaDbDPYYJ38
Coghlands Fire sticks- Coghlan's 7940 12 x 5" Fire Stick, (Pack of 12) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000LBS6LS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_7vWaDbEM9E947
Bivy Bag - Titan Emergency Sleeping Bag/Thermal Bivy | Dark-Earth | PE, 36" x 78" https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H0UZ926/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_txWaDbWD0SP2J
I know you want gear that will last but I would recommend getting cheap stuff at first. Go to Wal-Mart and get some of the Ozark trail stuff. Go out with it for a few days and see how you like it/ what you use most/ what you don't use at all. Then build from there.
Also do not neglect hydration. I know it sounds silly and obvious but bring water. If you can get a water filter so you have an opportunity to get more water.
However to answer your question I would suggest the Therm-A-Rest foam sleeping pad. It is bulky but light enough and also really reliable. A cheap 20$ sleeping bag rated for 50 degrees (I am assuming it isn't getting that cold) These bags are usually small, light, and great for having extra room in your pack, I have a few for the summer where I am at in case my friends want to join me. A Nalgene bottle. A light cookset, honestly a canteen cup would do just fine for heating up water. Also how will you be heating things up? If you can have a fire keep in mind you will need a way to place your cookware over the fire.... You will also need a way to get it away from the heat source. It is pretty popular to use a jet stove, I don't like them because I don't like needing to carry little canisters of fuel. It really isn't a big deal though and you can cook for awhile with them. If you want to share a tent you are going to want to go for a bigger one. However these are bulky. I would recommend looking into getting 2 tents. I used this scout tent for years until I decided to get really light weight with it but I loved it https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-713-84-B-Scout-Backpack-Tent/dp/B0006V2B2I/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=small+tent&qid=1553888354&s=gateway&sr=8-10.
You are also going to want a knife I would recommend getting a Mora they are awesome little utility knives. Oh and don't forget an eating utensil! Nothing is more depressing after a long hike and preparing some food then realizing you have no utensils! lol you end up making a mess trying to pour the food into your mouth. I like the Light My Fire brand Sporks, they're cheap and really easy to clean.
I think the toughest thing for you is going to be getting a pack that you like. There are a bunch of choices, I highly getting one small but large enough to accommodate your gear. Also kidney straps are really awesome for distributing the weight. Just lugging everything around on your shoulders is going to be not fun.
Not necessary AT ALL but Amazon has some pretty light weight camp stools that fit into a pack. It's a weird after thought but you don't really realize until you are outdoors how much having a chair is pretty nice. Not necessary but worth looking into.
Anyways those are your basics food/water/shelter/sleeping setup recommendations that will get you well on your way! If you have any questions feel free!
I was a thinking about a tarp + tent because keeping bugs out is probably priority.
Maybe one of these + a tarp.
And for waterproofing doesnt a sealant do the job?
Im getting my ideas from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2A3NQVgDY , If I sound like im talking out of my ass, or from someone else's in this case.
I know I wont hit any tropical storms, I can plan to avoid that, just not a shower I guess
So you choose lightweight and cheap...
This is not my specialty. I never buy anything that is going to fall apart after 1 season of use. I use my equipment hard and often. I also take care of it so that any investment lasts a long time. Maybe others here can help (but you took so long to respond, I doubt anyone will be back to update unfortunately).
To meet your criteria - buy whatever comes up on an Amazon.com search. These two below for example are crappy tents, but they claim to weigh little and cost next to nothing.
Or maybe you could hang a bugnet from your tarp.
> http://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Backpack-Forest-6-Feet-X4-Feet/dp/B0006V2B2I
Ah yes my Moonrise Kingdom cosplay is now complete
I feel like I don't know enough information about you, what you're looking for, and what you plan to do to give you an honest impression. However, here's some thoughts. As the other poster suggested this isn't an ultralight tent. It's a quality tent that will last you many years of camping. If this is what you're thinking about camping in for years then I say go for it. If, however, you are just looking for a starter tent to get you going and are likely to want to invest in something nicer/lighter later I would suggest a different route. That Kelty tent is just shy of 4lbs. You can get something like this one for $26 shipped and it claims to be 3.8lbs. I'm confident you could swap out the stakes lose the carry bag and get it even lower. If you were really feeling spunky replace the ropes with something like this (I like hi-vis cordage, but they have camo or whatever).
Alternatively I bought my first tents at yard sales. Got some great $200+ tents for like $40. Of course that's hit or miss. Just spray them with sealer first.
You're moving the goalposts there. A Dome tent is not necessarily a two man tent, which is what the original comparison made. I'll play your game though and show that they still had more space than what you can expect from a two-man tent.
Now, for fairness. Keep in mind that I am too large to qualify as an Apollo astronaut. I'm 6'2" and the maximum allowed height for Apollo was 6'. Neil Armstrong was 5'11" for reference.
This is my two-man camping tent. It's an old a-frame tent like my dad used to use. Its internal volume is approximately 44 cubic feet. I can crawl in, lay down, and get some sleep. If I feel like getting snuggly, another person can squeeze in with me. Our stuff stays outside.
The LM and Gemini capsule have been compared to telephone booths in approximate volume. Thankfully, The Harvard Crimson did the math for me. A standard US phone booth was approximately 63 cubic feet. Spacious compared to my dinky camping accommodations. You can easily stand in the phone booth, but don't expect to lay down. Their floorspace is just under 3 feet square.
My wife hates the little A-frame tent because its design makes it impossible for her to have privacy while changing, so we got this coleman two-man tent. It's a dome-style tent and if it were a pyramid, its volume would be about 47 cubic feet. I'll be generous and double that since it has the rounded sides to 94 cubic feet. Now we're getting somewhere! I can lay down, but the tips of my feet or my forehead brush the sloped edges of the tent and I still have one side of the tent pressing against me, but now I can at least 'stand' inside the tent. And by stand I mean kneel or stand by bending myself in half and hope I don't distort the tent too much as my back presses against the roof.
NASA has a wonderful resource page for CSM reference.
NASA officially rates the pressurized space of the Apollo CM at 210 cubic feet (see page 44) in the text briefing, but their Apollo Facts article, also contained in this collection, claims the CM:
>offers 73 cubic feet of space per man against the 68 cubic feet of space per person available in a compact car. (pg 284)
A little math gives us 219 cubic feet of space, which is an odd goof. Either way, we're looking at more space than the front seat of a car, awesome. That's better than my tents (22 cuft per person, 47 cuft per person) and Gemini (appox 45 cuft per person)!
Even better than the Command Module overview section is the Crew Accommodations section, which gives us the low-down of what crew-related equipment is in the CM, and even better, gives us some scale drawings of astronauts in the CM! As you can see on that first page (69) Astronauts can 'stand' with arms outstretched in the center section and they can stretch out and sleep in the lower equipment bays. The diagrams even include approximate blocking points for the equipment that also occupies the pressurized vessel. The command couches can be folded into a variety of positions and the lower half of the center couch can be removed and stowed in the lower bay during coasting operations to make it easier for astronauts to 'stand' and move about the CM. Purely eyeballing it, I'd say they easily have access to two-thirds of that 210 cu/ft space after you take into account the equipment usage. That means they've got about 140 cu/ft to play with. That's the size of BOTH of my two-man tents put together and more than two telephone booths!
So in reality, the Apollo CM probably has the same amount of living space as a 3-4 man dome-style tent with the added bonus that the astronauts can float in any orientation or section of that volume they want whereas we always have to orient off earth and can't float at the top.