What is Reddit's opinion of The Critical Turn in Education: From Marxist Critique to Poststructuralist Feminism to Critical Theories of Race (Critical Social Thought)?

From 3.5 billion Reddit comments

The problem isn’t that Critical Race Theory is being taught in schools. It’s understood that CRT per se is a niche legal aspect of Critical Theory applicable to people studying University level law. The problem is that Critical Theorists here like to pretend that CT is not taught in schools, which it is.

By it’s own admission, in The Critical Turn in Education for easiest example, the basic tenets of Critical Theory have been widely taught in Western education since about 2010.

Thus, if CT fanboys here want to be taken a bit more seriously, and suggest CT is not in fact a hateful religion, antithetical to social justice, and prepared to lie and deceive at every turn, they’d do well to stop jerking around with this nonsense, wouldn’t they?

Just saying.

> What titles and authors are you looking for?

Pluckrose is leading the charge with Cynical Theories, but in the sense of academic background, something like this.

That isn't thought terminating, though? You could easily ask which principles of science it is that critical theory is unmoored from, for example, or what pedagogy has to do with it.

My vagueness was a direct response to, and does not negate, yours. If you called me a nincompoop I'd hit you back with ignoramus. I'm sorry if you expected me to carry on for both us.

James Lindsay has been going over this book. Pretty amazing how long and intentionally marxist ideologues have been infiltrating public education.

https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Turn-Education-Critique-Poststructuralist/dp/1138781355

https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Turn-Education-Critique-Poststructuralist/dp/1138781355

marxists have been pushing deconstruction into education since the 60s? probably earlier. James Lindsay has been discussing the this book, but speaks to exactly what you are describing. It's not education but indoctrination.

Google “critical theory”, critical race praxis, and the Frankfurt School (where critical theories were created). See if you find anything about teaching historical facts.

You might find some stuff about not teaching white washed history. Which is good.

But theorists don’t want to replace white washed history with the teaching of historical facts. They just want to replace the false narrative with another false narrative. See the tenets of critical theories.

“Critical theory, Marxist-inspired movement in social and political philosophy originally associated with the work of the Frankfurt School. Drawing particularly on the thought of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud, critical theorists maintain that a primary goal of philosophy is to understand and to help overcome the social structures through which people are dominated and oppressed.”

https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-theory

As for CRT being simply a law theory, this is incorrect.

Overtime, CRT morphed from the legal into the field of education. This is admitted by the critical race theorists themselves.

“Although CRT began as a movement in the law, it has rapidly spread beyond that discipline. Today, many in the field of education consider themselves critical race theorists who use CRT’s ideas to understand issues of school discipline and hierarchy, tracking, controversies over curriculum and history, and IQ and achievement testing.”

-Critical Race Theory: An Introduction, Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic

“DELGADO: We didn't set out to colonize, but found a natural affinity in education. In education, race neutrality and color-blindness are the reigning orthodoxy. Teachers believe that they treat their students equally. Of course, the outcome figures show that they do not. If you analyze the content, the ideology, the curriculum, the textbooks, the teaching methods, they are the same. But they operate against the radically different cultural backgrounds of young students. Seeing critical race theory take off in education has been a source of great satisfaction for the two of us. Critical race theory is in some ways livelier in education right now than it is in law, where it is a mature movement that has settled down by comparison.”

-LIVING HISTORY INTERVIEW With RICHARD DELGADO & JEAN STEFANCIC

https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1039&context=faculty

As for examples of CRT in the field of education, you have the following. The ideas in these books and papers can be seen in the news articles about CRT concepts being found currently in K-12 schools.

Published in 2013. https://www.routledge.com/Handbook-of-Critical-Race-Theory-in-Education/Lynn-Dixson/p/book/9780415899963

Published in 2016. https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/envisioning-a-critical-race-praxis-in-k-12-education-through-counter-storytelling-tyson-e-j-marsh/1125026837

Published in 2017.

“The purpose of this paper is twofold: (a) to use the theoretical framework of Critical Race Theory (CRT) to highlight and understand the vision, process, and practice of creating an Ethnic Studies program in an urban public school district; and (b) to inform social justice praxis by producing counter-hegemonic knowledge about K-12 Ethnic Studies programs.” https://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1133&context=jctp

Published in 2016

“Parts I and II trace the roots of CRT from the legal scholarship in which it originated to the educational discourse in which it now resides. A much-anticipated Part III examines contemporary issues in racial discourse and offers all-important practical methods for adopting CRT in the classroom.” https://www.routledge.com/Critical-Race-Theory-in-Education-All-Gods-Children-Got-a-Song/Dixson-Anderson-Donnor/p/book/9781138891159

Published in 2016.

"The Critical Turn in Education traces the historical emergence and development of critical theories in the field of education, from the introduction of Marxist and other radical social theories in the 1960s to the contemporary critical landscape. The book begins by tracing the first waves of critical scholarship in the field through a close, contextual study of the intellectual and political projects of several core figures including, Paulo Freire, Samuel Bowles and Herbert Gintis, Michael Apple, and Henry Giroux. Later chapters offer a discussion of feminist critiques, the influx of postmodernist and poststructuralist ideas in education, and critical theories of race.

While grounded in U.S. scholarship, The Critical Turn in Education contextualizes the development of critical ideas and political projects within a larger international history, and charts the ongoing theoretical debates that seek to explain the relationship between school and society. Today, much of the language of this critical turn has now become commonplace―words such as "hegemony," "ideology," and the term "critical" itself―but by providing a historical analysis, The Critical Turn in Education illuminates the complexity and nuance of these theoretical tools, which offer ways of understanding the intersections between individual identities and structural forces in an attempt to engage and overturn social injustice.” https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Turn-Education-Critique-Poststructuralist/dp/1138781355

Published in 2009.

“Shut up and Listen: Applied Critical Race Theory in the Classroom” https://digitalcommons.tacoma.uw.edu/education_pub/31/

Published in 2019.

“This important volume promotes the widespread application of Critical Race Theory (CRT) to better prepare K–12 teachers to bring an informed asset-based approach to teaching today’s highly diverse populations. Part I explores the tradition and longevity of CRT in teacher education. Part II, “Beyond Black and White,” expands CRT into new contexts, including LatCrit, AsianCrit, TribalCrit, QueerCrit, and BlackCrit. Part III looks beyond CRT to other epistemologies often dismissed in White conceptions of teacher preparation.” https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0807761370/teacherscolleger

Published in 2019

“Critical pedagogy is a teaching philosophy that invites educators to encourage students to critique structures of power and oppression. It is rooted in critical theory, which involves becoming aware of and questioning the societal status quo. In critical pedagogy, a teacher uses his or her own enlightenment to encourage students to question and challenge inequalities that exist in families, schools, and societies”. https://www.theedadvocate.org/how-to-implement-critical-pedagogy-into-your-classroom/

Published in 2015

“CRP is a combination (Critical Race Pedagogy) of CRT and critical pedagogy” “In order to do so, asides from counter-storytelling, CRThas five tenets: American legal systems are unfair, and legitimizestructural oppressions; centrality of race in the US society with an assumption that structural racism is endemic to the US society; suspicions/challenges against Eurocentric claims of neutrality, objectivity, rationality and universality; reliance upon experiential knowledge of people of color; interdisciplinary nature based on postmodern, Marxist, nationalist and feminist discourses (Lynn, 2005)”. “Educators need to balance CRP and districts’ prescribed curriculum” https://academicjournals.org/journal/IJSA/article-full-text-pdf/BE59D7F56340

Published in 2005

“Critical Race Theory as Educational Protest: POWER and PRAXIS “ “Journal Information -Counterpoints publishes the most compelling and imaginative books being written in education today. Grounded on the theoretical advances in criticalism, feminism and postmodernism in the last two decades of the twentieth century, Counterpoints engages the meaning of these innovations in various…” https://www.jstor.org/stable/42978681

Published in 2011

“CRT in Action. Stovall’s article is a keen example of CRT in action in schools. The topical units of discussion for the class were designed not only to help render race and racism visible in the media, but also to help students make connections to academic concepts they would encounter in college.”

https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1039&context=slisfrp

Item	Current	Lowest	Reviews
The Critical Turn in Education (Critical Social T…	-	-	4.6/5.0

 

^Item Info | Bot Info | Trigger

Item	Current	Lowest	Reviews
The Critical Turn in Education (Critical Social T…	-	-	4.6/5.0

 

^Item Info | Bot Info | Trigger

That label was never wrong.

With all due respect, this sounds like you're just not following along with the argument long enough. The answer to your question is pretty straightforward and its because the education colleges that teach the teachers are the primary target of critical socjus. Pedagogy of the Oppressed is the third most cited book in all of social science.

If you're asking, "How did that happen?" then here is an academic treatment on the critical turn in education.

And a heads up, now that CRT is a well known term, you can expect culturally responsive/relevant teaching, the directly-inspired equivalent in pedagogy with the same acronym, to transform linguistically as they become the education world's euphemism for this stuff. Expect to see "responsive teaching" more as "critical race theory" fades into taboo.

>Okay I'm not even sure what we're even arguing about anymore

I'm arguing that the title to <em>The Critical Turn in Education: From Marxist Critique to Postructuralist Feminism to Critical Theories of Race</em> should not be dismissed outright as lobster claptrap.

>CRT is neo-marxism.

IDK if I'd even say this. That's how far apart where I am is from where you thought I was.

>Now explain how neo-marxism is actually a meaningful issue in the US using the term "neo-marxism" in a way that can't be completely substituted for "woke identity politics".

They largely overlap. I'm curious what you think that proves. I will skip to how they differ, since the implication seems to be that they don't.

Neo-Marxism is consistent with respectable academic terminology necessary to extricate this garbage from our institutions. Woke idpol is a pejorative and you can't just take the pejorative part out. If you just say identity politics, that's not an ideology, which is what we're talking about, and there are ways people will choose to deliberately misunderstand what you mean ("all politics is identity politics" is their cry).

Use of the term neo-Marxism also implies a willingness to not give a shit about what people think of Jordan Peterson, which is irrelevant, because the true (in the Harris sense) history of ideas are not wrong just because that guy has some word salad version of them. It demonstrates some semblance of knowledge of that history of ideas behind CRT, which is more than something Trump said is bad therefore it's good (the level of analysis 99% of people are working at right now). It also shows you're not a blindly loyalist to (either real, class first or false, race reductionist) Marxism incapable of saying bad things about its long history.

Should I think up some more?