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read this a few months back. it's fucking terrifying. it's actually outdated, but when you read it, you start comparing those events to present day chaos, and it magnifies the conclusion: the man is a dangerous combination of textbook narcissist and pathological liar. And his performance to date has done absolutely ZERO to detract from this conclusion, if anything, reinforced it's validity at every turn.
so here we are today. an entire party aligned behind this man who's not only wacky af, but actively working with foreign powers to subvert our own goals and destroy our historic alliances.
mueller save us, please.
I hate Trump a fair bit, and that goes back to well before he was elected. He's a garbage human.
That said, there is really good body of evidence that he is just not well physically, and most likely has dementia or Alzheimer's. The anonymous op-ed in the Times is only the latest confirmation of it, not the first time it's been pointed out.
I mean, there have literally been books written about it. As much as it pains me to say it, Donald Trump is not completely to blame for every horrible thing he does because some of it is caused by a medical condition that affects him mentally.
What's important about that is that he shouldn't be serving as President because he's not able to do it, and everyone paying attention, especially everyone who interacts with him, knows it.
The other thing is that people shouldn't mock someone for medical problems or mental illness, even if that person is Donald Trump. I have great confidence that Trump would be just as shitty even if he didn't have dementia, but since he does I just want him to stop endangering the country, get help, and be taken care of. Get him out of office, let him watch as much Fox & Friends as he wants and rant on Twitter all day. It's what makes him happy, apparently.
I know what it's like to see people disappear slowly over time due to dementia, and it's horrible beyond imagining. I would not wish it on anyone. Not even Donald Trump.
He does a lot of horrible things, but he's also old and sick. If he was just some guy in a nursing home it would be just another Wednesday. The difference is he 's in the highest office in the land, so that needs to be removed from the equation.
The Goldwater rule doesn’t apply to clinical social workers, that’s for the APA, so womp womp. Feel free to peruse the NASW Code of Ethics. Not only that, but the ethical implications of the Goldwater rule have been openly questioned and pushed back against by many established psychiatrists and psychologists particularly recently in the case of Donald Trump. A group of mental health professionals collectively wrote The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President to warn the world of his instability.
As fun as it has been decimating every ridiculous comment you’ve made, I’m tired and want to dive into a couple of hours of PS5 and then some light reading. If you like science fiction, Terry Pratchett’s DiscWorld series is quite enjoyable.
HAVE A BLESSED DAY 🙏⛪️🙏
And published a book, which I pre-ordered and read as soon as it was released. These doctors are some of the foremost in their field and the prologue speaks extensively about the Duty to Warn and why the writers do not feel they violated the Goldwater Rule.
I was not aware, however, that Yale had fired Dr. Lee after 17 years and that she was suing them. I very much hope that she does get her job back, as she has a long career ahead of her and we as a society would benefit from her research.
Not only did they publish an open letter, they wrote a book titled The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump. It’s excellent but scary as hell. It has an entire section on historical fascist leaders worldwide, how they came into power, what damage they caused, and how to stop malignant narcissists from assuming power and leadership positions. After reading it, I came to a much clearer understanding of politics, international relationships, humanity in general, but also felt a hopelessness for the future of our country and democracy. I truly believe that America is in decline.
>Uhh no you didn't, you showed a speech where Trump misspoke on a couple of points and stumbled on his words a bit. Not even close to indicating any mental issues.
Dude, that whole speech was an incoherent word salad. If you think that's not a sign of mental issues, you live in an alternate reality.
>And you keep dodging my question. Do you, or do you not think that Biden is showing signs of Dementia?
No really. He said some dumb things and misspoke a few times. Once again, if you think that's worse than the garbled nonsense that regularly comes out of Trump's mouth, I have to wonder if you're arguing in good faith, or just sucked up by his cult.
>From what I've seen and what many experts are calling it's clear that the man is in cognitive decline.
You keep referencing "many experts" but don't name any. Can you? Because for one example, 27 psychologists have published a whole book about Trump's perceived mental issues: https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
Just to be clear, I'm not interested in defending Biden. He's a terrible person, just not as bad as Trump. What's interesting to me is your huge double standard.
Just mine along with 27 psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health experts including Yale professors. But what do they know. Why would anyone doubt the brilliant mind of the president of the United shatsh of americsha. Covfefe. Clean the swamp. My uncle, the nuclear. I flush the toilet 15 times, how does wind work?
I suggest reading “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump” by Dr. Bandy Lee et al. He is incapable of believing in anything, if conjecture is true regarding his malignant narcissism.
Is that quote supposed to support your assertion? The 27 psychiatrists who wrote this book disagree. Trump is the prime exemplar of malignant narcissistic personality disorder.
Going silent? Or finished her book promotion tour?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-time-cure/201709/the-dangerous-case-donald-trump
Also founder of Duty to Warn an organization of mental health professionals dedicated to removing Trump from office based on observable mental instability.
Doctor, yes. But she's hardly an independent/unbiased or objective observer in that her income depends on furthering the story that Trump is mentally unfit.
It's not a stretch to say that Trump is mentally ill. Pence should not be making that determination, mental health professionals should.
Oh wait, they have been sounding the alarms and outright declaring him insane for years now. https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
Including someone who has had personal contact. https://www.salon.com/2020/07/30/yale-psychiatrist-backs-mary-trumps-diagnosis-of-her-uncle-he-is-mentally-incapable-of-leading/
Here's some of my original comments
Here's the rant:
Even if Biden is a rapist, so is Trump: so that point is null and void (I'm not condoning either btw, am simply telling people why voting is still important... Think of 2020 as electing more than just a president:
-Republicans have Gerrymandered the shit out of Senate seats. It's going to only get harder and harder
-You're likely voting for RGB's replacement. Republicans already are challenging science with anti abortion laws in several States. You bet that they want to challenge Roe v Wade in the supreme Court... Where Trump could get a third nomination to make it 6/9 republican appointed judges.
-you're voting to get someone who cares about the environment to head the EPA for the privileged
-you're voting for a commander and chief that had a son in the military, instead of commander and chief bone spurs.
So let me get this straight. Trump was so distracted by the impeachment that he couldn’t focus on the Coronavirus, but he still somehow managed to hold 9 campaign rallies and go golfing twice per week during that time?
Also, what was he doing related to the impeachment? He didn't respond to any subpoenas, he didn't testify, he said he wasn't watching it, and his lawyers fought all sorts of stuff in court. Could anyone from the administration explain to us what the president was doing during the impeachment process that was related directly to the impeachment?
"that's a nasty question" - Donnie the Dump truck, probably
WAIT! There's MORE!
Just yesterday Trump DENIED that his impeachment had any effect on his response to COVID19 at all, undermining Moscow Mitch's defense of him...
27 psychiatrists and mental health experts wrote a book: The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President https://www.amazon.com/dp/1250179459/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_iVmqEbT4NS9FK
72 hour hold comments from Yale psychiatrist
Trump faked his doctor note and report
I literally have dozens more saved after 5 years of engaging extremists like you, but of the opposite side.
First of all, "are you though" was a joke. But if you want to insist on dragging your mental health or lack thereof into the light, you don't seem to understand the many ways mental health issues can manifest.
They aren't all genetic in origin, they can and as a matter of logic do exist pre-diagnosis, and -- except in cases of dementia -- are not necessarily limited by your age. I'm inclined to think that even your repeated insistence that you're sane suggests you might not be.
But whatever.
As for thinking Biden "can not be held to standards," especially in comparison to Trump, you are either delusional or have memory issues. So... maybe early-stage Alzheimer's?
Biden had had and dealt with a stuttering issue since childhood, which explains some but not all of his gaffes. As for the rest, yep, he misspeaks. And has famously done so for decades. Even while, at the same time, being a powerful member of Congress and performing just fine through two terms as VP.
But, as the question of standards or risk goes, none of his gaffes have caused dangerous international incidents, offended allies, or caused anyone to question whether he is, at the core, pathological.
The same cannot be said for Trump, who has blurted out national security details, praised murderous dictators, blatantly backtracked in relation to lies he should have known were said on camera, and worse.
You post a few links. You're kidding, right? Do you not have any idea how easy it is to play that game when countering with TRUMP links? Good God, it's like you've slept in a cave for the last four years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bafnjhcTzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxmiFF85yU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yCMy4xpF6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCJ5uiI4NfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EU6Xb7F0P8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfdtjPx6J1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqUtSWnQa3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvndXb-7XtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN38KmxJTZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5HHZI_pe3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkWTcdZI7sU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBaJVU5lfx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJrjL7JFVi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ltDxaaW3EI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muLy5UTkGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la0zATERwWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbUfutUijPg
P.S. As for the letter from the psychiatrists, it was one of only many links where health professionals directly call Trump's mental health into question.
I could provide you with those links too if you need them. Though I suspect you won't give them a close look or accept their suppositions.
However, even the NYT letter you dismiss does more than simply suggest Trump is "not nice." Rather, they say he lacks the ability to empathize, which is a character trait of psychopaths, and that he distorts reality to suit his personal mythology of greatness. His is a textbook case of narcissistic disorder.
These professionals agree...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/president-donald-trump
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/23/trump-mentally-unfit-president-column/6382407002/
https://www.modbee.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article165880732.html
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-world-mental-health-coalition-25th-amendment-removal-1560008
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/25/donald-trump-applied-psychoanalysis-diagnosis/
And that's a list that goes on too.
Bottom line, you may come back at this insisting you're sane. I don't agree. So, therefore, you can no longer claim nobody has said otherwise.
Furthermore, you can pretend to yourself that Biden's gaffes are way more serious than Trump's, but your denial cannot change the fact that only one of these two nearly caused the collapse of democracy (and may still yet) in service to his ego. Fortunately, right now his rants are mostly confined to wedding and funeral ceremonies at a resort in Florida. Here's hoping it stays that way.
27 top psychiatrists and other mental health experts have diagnosed Trump as a psychopath, a narcissist, and a danger to society:
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
Psychology Today is a Psychology site. It's a good place to read news on Psychology research and to find psychological care. It is not a political site.
They started the article with the conclusion of an analysis done by a group of mental health professionals, all with MDs or PhDs. Their conclusion is that Donald Trump exhibits dangerous signs of narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder (e.g. sociopathy) and they titled their book on the topic “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump”
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
His niece also has a book on him, that takes a deeper look at his childhood and life-long patterns of behaviors and she essentially came to the same conclusion.
This may not conform to your views about Donald Trump, but I felt compelled to note that psychologists who have studied his behavior disagree with your assertion that he's not a sociopath.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a <em>very real</em> mental illness. You'd know NPD if you saw it. It's frightening, because people with it will be really nice to your face, but then you meet their scapegoat, and see all the evidence of what they do, the power they've collected to control others, and the violent fits they throw and cunning manipulation they apply when they're in danger of losing that power or have lost that power.
Also, I've never seen anything that shows Joe Biden exhibiting cognitive deficiencies. However, there is plenty of evidence of Trump exhibiting some type of personality disorder, possibly NPD. You can read the article in the post, visit The World Mental Health Coalition website, read the mental health analysis of the Mueller Report (PDF), buy a copy of and read <em>The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump</em>, or even just google it.
>but journalistic integrity kind of goes out the window with statements like, "and because he's a sociopath..."
Normally I would agree with you, but in Trump's case a number of psychiatrists have released not just one book on that topic, but the original book and an updated version:
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250212863
There are several mental health professionals who would tell you that Donald Trump has several psychological issues, including dementia.
>Are you a psychologist?
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
These people are, and they think he's nuts.
There's also a book in which many mental health experts agree on his mental impairment. https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
>it's impossible to know what's real and what's fake,
Your post is nothing but an argument from ignorance.
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
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If you’d prefer not to be one of the damn fools, read this book. 27 professionals broke the Goldwater rule and are risking their professional businesses and possibly their licensure because they believe so strongly in the duty to warn the country.
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
On the contrary, the article lays out quite clearly the context in which this takes place, and presents a list of actions already taken by Trump. Whether a Trump administration does or doesn't institute more sweeping dictatorial and authoritarian methods of rule remains to be seen, but the groundwork is being laid, and has been laid for some time now. With every successive president we find ourselves closer and closer to living in an actual police state. And your response is: Trump, the duplicitous and stupid pseudopopulist conman didn't explicitly state his intentions, so there's no reason to think he'd do anything so drastic.
We all thought W Bush was a dummy blowhard, too, but that didn't stop his administration from carrying out (probably) 9/11, illegally invading Iraq, the Wolfowitz Doctrine, passing the Patriot Act, illegal surveillance, opening Guantanamo, normalizing torture, and every other anti-democratic measure you can think of.
The point is, this kind of structure isn't erected overnight. It's built brick by brick, day by day, until one day the capstone locks in place and then it's too late. As the article states, presidents aren't flippant with language, and when they are it cannot be ignored or shrugged off as whimsy, or whatever.
Chris Hedges wrote a pretty good article on Truthdig last year called "Signs of Creeping Fascism Are All Around Us", which I think is worth a read. In it, he looks at a book called "How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them", by Jason Stanley.
Stanley examines how modern authoritarian and nationalist—“fascist,” if you like (Stanley obviously does)—politicos have used and subverted purportedly democratic electoral politics to gain power. He finds 10 common themes animating fascist ideology and propaganda:
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>1. Invocation of a mythic national past marked by racial, ethnic, religious and/or cultural purity—a supposedly glorious history to which the nation needs to return.
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>2. Propagandistic use of outwardly virtuous ideals (including anti-corruption, democracy, liberty and free speech) to advance abhorrent ends that contradict those ideals.
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>3. An anti-intellectual assault on education, universities, science, expertise and language, accompanied by charges of Marxism and “political correctness” against liberal and leftist enemies and the advance of simplistic nationalist and authoritarian ideals. This is fertile soil for the deadly denial of climate change that has occurred and for such absurd claims as the notion that whites are now more damaged by racism than are black, Latinx and Native American people in the U.S.
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>4. An insidious attack on truth and on people’s ability to perceive and agree on truth. Regular and repeated obvious lying is combined with the advance of conspiracy theories and the promotion of “news as sports” and demagogic strongmen as “stars.”
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>5. An ugly faith in natural hierarchies of worth and a rejection of equality as dangerous, unnatural, Marxist and liberal delusion.
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>6. An aggrieved and counterfeit sense of victimhood among dominant “us” groups (racial, ethnic and/or religious) that feel threatened by having to share citizenship, resources and power with minority groups (“them”). This ironic victimology feeds an oppressive nationalism devoted to maintaining “natural” hierarchies and uniting “chosen” but supposedly oppressed racial, ethnic, religious groups (whites in the U.S., Christians in Hungary, Hindus in India, and so on.) against the supposedly false claims and unjust demands of “them”—those designated as “naturally” inferior others.
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>7. A stern embrace of law and order that targets minority others (“them”) as criminal threats to the safety and security of the majority (“us”).
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>8. Sexual anxiety about the threat supposedly posed by minority, criminal and alien others to “our” traditional male roles, status and family values.
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>9. A loathing of cities seen as racially and sexually corrupt, ethnically impure, sexually perverse, parasitic criminal zones loaded with a polyglot mass of some inferior, nation-weakening “them.” By contrast, the rural countryside is lauded as the noble wellspring of virtue, strength, self-sufficiency and racial-ethnic purity. The rural heartland/fatherland/motherland/homeland is the sacred and foundational “blood and soil” preserve of “us.” It is the noble native soil of the “volk”—the true ancestral people who embody the spirit of a once-grand nation that needs to be made great again through the defeat of liberal and supposedly leftist elites who have been giving the nation’s resources and power away to naturally inferior others (“them”).
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>10. A sense of the chosen-people majority (“us”) as hard-working, upright, virtuous and deserving, combined with the notion of demonized minorities and others (“them”) as lazy, dissolute, shifty and undeserving.
Is Trump’s narcissism a problem for his backers? Not really. As psychologist Elizabeth Mika noted last year in an essay titled “Who Goes Trump? Tyranny as a Triumph of Narcissism”:
>The tyrant’s narcissism is the main attractor to his followers, who project their hopes and dreams. The more grandiose his own sense of self and his promises to his fans, the greater their attraction and the stronger their support. … Through the process of identification, the tyrant’s followers absorb his omnipotence and glory and imagine themselves winners in the game of life. This identification heals the followers’ narcissistic wounds, but also tends to shut down their reason and conscience.
If that sounds anything like “creeping fascism,” that’s because it is. As political scientist Anthony DiMaggio recently observed:
>There are too many red flags in public sentiment to ignore the threat of creeping fascism. Ominously, one of the strongest statistical predictors of support for Trump is the desire for a strong leader who will ‘crush evil’ and ‘get rid of the rotten apples’ who ‘disturb the status quo.’ Half of Republicans say they trust Donald Trump as a more reliable source of information than the news media—more reliable even than conservative media outlets. Nearly half of Republicans think media outlets should be ‘shut down’ if they are ‘broadcasting stories that are biased or inaccurate,’ raising ominous possibilities regarding precisely who will act on such allegations. … The cult of Trump is not an abstract phenomenon, but one that has real implications. … The danger of fascist creep is also seen in the support from most Republican Americans for shutting down the 2020 election, so long as Trump declares it necessary to combat fictitious voter fraud. Conservatives’ acceptance of this conspiracy theory continues, unfortunately, despite the president’s own ‘voter fraud commission’ being disbanded after failing to find any evidence of it.
You'll have to forgive me if I take these things a little seriously.
Well, if I google "trump is a psychopath", I get over a million hits. There's a wide range of articles from a variety of sources that call him just that.
Though, perhaps, sociopath is a better term.
Mary Trump says:
Scientific American says he's a narcissist.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/
Or you could read this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459
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It's really not that hard to find.
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