{"product":{"product_id":"0595196349","title":"The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning: The Jesus Movement, Christian Anti-Semitism, Christian Sexism","price":"4.57","image_url":"https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41ARF9bJmPL._SL500_.jpg","url":"https://www.amazon.com/dp/0595196349"},"comments":[{"body":"\u0026gt; Did James and his flock still follow the Mosaic law as Jewish Christians?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nYes. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nJesus, Joseph and Mary were Jews; the apostles, disciples and early Jesus followers were Jews. Based on Jesus’ words, [“I am the way, and the truth and the life … John 14:6](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6\u0026amp;amp;amp;version=ESV), these early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\nThese, convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. The early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on Sunday aka the Lord’s Day (aka Sunday).\r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers would look and operate much like what we’d call **Messianic Judaism.** Due to the success of the Great Commission, Paul’s conversion and successful missions, we find an influx of Gentiles. Due to the influx the Jewish Jerusalem believers felt the Gentiles should convert to Judaism. The [Jerusalem Council](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+15\u0026amp;amp;amp;version=ESV) of 50AD was called to settle the matter.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; And even James made the judgment for the Gentile Christians to follow some food laws such as to abstain \" from what has been strangled, and from blood.\"\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nJames presides and makes a judgment that they would not force Gentiles to convert. Basically James repeats the Old Testament requirements to make Gentiles “proselytes of the gate” and hold them to the Noahide laws. The Jews believed all men are sons of Noah. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n62 AD – High Priest Ananus charges James (brother of Jesus) of transgressing the Law; James executed in Jerusalem.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n64 AD – Great Fire of Rome.\r\n\r\n\r\n64AD – Peter martyred?\r\n\r\n\r\n68AD – Paul martyred?\r\n\r\n\r\n66-73AD – The Great Revolt (Judea/Galilee revolt against Rome.) The Roman Empire Jerusalem systematically raided/ransacked/obliterated Jerusalem and slaughters thousands, ransacks the Temple artifacts and destroys the Temple. James, Peter and Paul are dead, the Temple is destroyed and Jerusalem falls. \r\n\r\n\r\nThe *first split* in Christianity is finalized. Pharisaic Judaism evolved into Rabbinic Judaism and Gentile Christianity now gains strength in outlying areas of Alexandria, Antioch and Rome. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n* [The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349)\r\n\r\n\r\n* [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;amp;amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;amp;amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;amp;amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;amp;amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;amp;amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;amp;amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;amp;amp;psc=1\u0026amp;amp;amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS).","subreddit_name":"Bible","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"\u0026gt; I was wondering which denomination was the exception?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nShort answer: the early Jesus followers known as the Way. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nBased on Jesus’ words, [“I am the way, and the truth and the life … John 14:6](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV), the early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\nJesus left no organization or institution outside of his disciples. Jesus, Joseph and Mary were Jews; the apostles, disciples and early Jesus followers were Jews. \r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers would look and operate nothing like Roman Catholicism; in fact it would be much closer to what we’d today call Messianic Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThese are the believers Saul (later Paul) was persecuting. These, convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Jewish Saturday Sabbath, *the Way* met again in each other’s homes on Sunday aka the Lord’s Day. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe absolute last thing the apostles would have considered would be patterning their leadership structure to look like that of Rome – who had just murdered Jesus and was systematically martyring their family and friends. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) is a good entry level, readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;amp;psc=1\u0026amp;amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nHistory shows Roman Catholicism is a post-Nicaea development. This doesn’t necessarily mean Catholicism, or any another post-Nicaea affirming Christian denomination, cannot trace itself back to the historic, orthodox Christian faith. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nLikewise while Lutheranism was the primary post-Reformation reform movement, and all Protestant denominations trace their lineage back to Lutherans, we do not insist we are the sole authority in primacy over them. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe  Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS) is a denomination that confesses the historic, orthodox Christian faith, a faith built on “the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone”.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"Pharisees were expert on their holy books. \r\n\r\n\r\nPaul was a Hebrew and Pharisee; Paul converted and as a result became an apostle and his letters became a large portion of the New Testament. \r\n\r\n\r\nAlso, other Pharisees were converted and became Jesus followers. In fact Jesus, Joseph and Mary were Jews; the apostles, disciples and early Jesus followers were Jews. All the early converts who became Jesus followers were Jews. \r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;version=ESV) Convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, they continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Jewish Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on Sunday aka the Lord’s Day.\r\n\r\n\r\n70 AD – The separation of Judaism and Christianity was only finalized after Rome ransacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple. \r\n\r\n\r\n[The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) details the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism.\r\n\r\n\r\nAlso the [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;psc=1\u0026amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; And Jesus showing miracles doesn't prove he was messiah since lots of other old testament people also showed miracles. \r\n\r\n\r\nTentatively agree.\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; Since Jesus never fullfiled prophecies, Christian had to create \"second coming\" teaching, so he could fullfil it. \r\n\r\n\r\nUnsupported claim you haven’t argued or supported.\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; Also the idea of Jesus paying Christians' sins on cross also has been created for making Jesus look like he actually did something. \r\n\r\n\r\nUnsupported claim you haven’t argued or supported.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; But Torah says \"No man will die for others sin\".\r\n\r\n\r\nIt does, but that’s not all the Torah says about atonement for sins. \r\n\r\n\r\nOn the Day of Atonement the priest procures atonement. He purifies himself, enters the Holy of Holies, and sacrifices a bull and goat for a sin offering for the people. He sprinkles their blood on the atonement cover of the ark. The priest is anointed, ordained and puts on the sacred linen garments and make atonement for the Most Holy Place, for the tent of meeting and the altar, and for the priests and all the members of the community. This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: Atonement is to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites.” [Leviticus 16, The Day of Atonement](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+16\u0026amp;version=NIV)\r\n\r\n\r\nIn the New Testament Jesus is equated to the high priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. (Hebrews 3:1, 4:14, 6:20, 8:1)","subreddit_name":"DebateAChristian","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"1\\. Jesus, Joseph and Mary were Jews; the apostles, disciples and early Jesus followers were Jews. \r\n\r\n\r\n2\\. Based on Jesus’ words, [“I am the way, and the truth and the life … John 14:6](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6\u0026amp;amp;amp;version=ESV), these early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\n3\\. These, convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n4\\. The early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n5\\. Keeping the Saturday Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on Sunday, what they called the Lord’s Day. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n6\\. After Rome ransacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple in 70AD, and with the ensuing influx of new Gentile converts, the outer Gentile areas drop the Jewish Saturday sabbath and keep the sabbath on Sunday.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n* [The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) is a good entry level, readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;amp;amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;amp;amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;amp;amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;amp;amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;amp;amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;amp;amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;amp;amp;psc=1\u0026amp;amp;amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"\u0026gt; Does not subscribe to the dogma of another faith\r\n\r\n\r\nThis is problematic in this context. The early Jesus followers (including the apostles) were Jews and didn’t separate Judaism and being a Jesus follower — they viewed following Jesus a continuation of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n1\\. Jesus, Joseph and Mary were Jews; the apostles, disciples and early Jesus followers were Jews. \r\n\r\n\r\n2\\. Based on Jesus’ words, [“I am the way, and the truth and the life … John 14:6](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV), these early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\n3\\. They were convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah and continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n4\\. The early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Jewish Saturday Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on the next day Sunday aka the Lord’s Day.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers would look and operate much like what we’d call Messianic Judaism.\r\n\r\n\r\nCitations: \r\n\r\n\r\n* [The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) is a good entry level, readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;amp;psc=1\u0026amp;amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.\r\n\r\n\r\n5\\. Jesus is quoted as saying he, [was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15:24\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV). \r\n\r\n\r\n6\\. Jesus is quoted as commissioning **his disciples** to “make disciples of all nations” aka [the Great Commission](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2028%3A16-20\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\n7\\. The New Testament teaches that Jesus was sent to Jews, the apostles (Greek [apostolos](https://biblehub.com/greek/652.htm), sent ones) were sent to [the world](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john+3%3A16\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) (to include Gentiles) and later Paul (the apostle to the Gentiles) corroborates that the gospel [is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the **Jew first** and also to the Greek (read Gentile).](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:15-17\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; Believes in God\r\n\r\n\r\nProblematic. The Bible teaches Satan and his demons believe in God. The Bible relates, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nBelieving doesn’t necessarily equate to Christian ergo saved. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; Now, your average modern Christian is going to require the Nicene Creed as well, but this is problematic, since there are important Christians prior to the adoption of the Nicene Creed who did not subscribe to it for one reason or another. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nHandwaving the ecumenical creeds is highly problematic. Jesus followers prior to the adoption of the Apostle’s and Nicene Creeds did subscribe to the scriptural principles the creeds were drawn from. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nPaul’s letters record [Pre-Pauline Creeds](https://carm.org/analysis-pre-pauline-creed-1-corinthians-151-11) that are the earliest creedal traditions of the earliest Jesus followers written a short time after Jesus’ death and resurrection. “[In very nature God, was in appearance a man, was obedient to death on a cross then exalted to the highest place and given a name above every name – and at this name every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+2%3A+5-11\u0026amp;amp;version=NIV)\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; I believe in God ..., respect the teachings of Jesus\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe term “respect” is ambiguous. It’s impossible to make a determination until you really unpack what that means to you.","subreddit_name":"DebateReligion","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"\u0026gt; but even in non-Christian secular history books, the account of how Christianity was practiced from the beginning till 1400 to 1500, is evident that Christianity until recently reflects Ortho-Catholic beliefs.\r\n\r\n\r\nThat’s a gross historical inaccuracy. In reality academic scholarship shows that the early Jesus followers were called [the Way](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;version=NIV) who would have closely resembled Messianic Jews – not Roman Catholicism.\r\n\r\n\r\nIn fact is Roman Catholicism would probably charge the early Christians as heretics. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots and *the Way* (a reference to Jesus teaching, [“I am the way and the truth and the life.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14:5-7\u0026amp;version=NIV)) was another expression of Judaism.\r\n\r\n\r\nBelieving Jesus was the Jewish Messiah the Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Because they kept the Saturday Sabbath, they met on the following day (Sunday, what they called *the Lord’s Day*) to [devote themselves to the apostles' teaching, the fellowship and to the breaking of bread and the prayers](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202:41-43\u0026amp;version=ESV).\r\n\r\n\r\nBelieving Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, and would come back in their lifetime, there was no necessity for authority, organization or dedicated places of worship. So the Jesus followers continue with a group of presbyter/elders who functioned much like the Judean presbyter elders of the Jewish synagogues. \r\n\r\n\r\nThis relatively continued up to the turn of the century as Clement, the bishop of Rome, wrote to the church in Corinth to reassert the authority of the local bishops/elders/presbyters as rulers of the church – on the ground that the Apostles had appointed such. [The First Epistle Of Clement To The Corinthians, Chp 44](http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/1clement-roberts.html)\r\n\r\n\r\nEven up to the 325 Council of Nicaea we see no one monarchical ruler over all Christendom. We know Roman Emperor Constantine organized, oversaw and presided over the council. \"The emperor gave patient attention to the speeches of both parties\" and \"deferred\" to the decision of the bishops.” [Book 1, Chapter 20, Sozomen, *The Ecclesiastical History of Sozomen*](http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf202) \r\n\r\n\r\nThe bishop of Rome was seen simply as one of the leaders and not one who had jurisdiction over the other bishops in other regions. ([Canon 6](http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.vii.vi.viii.html) of *The Canons of the 318 Holy Fathers Assembled in the City of Nice, in Bithynia*.) “It is evident that the Council has not in view here the primacy of the Bishop of Rome over the whole Church, but simply his power as a patriarch,” (Hefele, *History Councils*, Vol. I., p. 397.)\r\n\r\n\r\n[The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) by Daniel Walker\r\n\r\n\r\n[History Of The Christian Church (The Complete Eight Volumes In One)](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Complete-Volumes-ebook/dp/B00HUCSUCG/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_5?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;psc=1\u0026amp;refRID=2X2THXS88MZ6S581Y0NF) by \r\nPhilip Schaff\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; Protestantism does not make a lot of sense. \r\n\r\n\r\nProtestantism vs Catholicism is a false equivalency. There are no collectively held Protestant doctrines to make sense of. To characterize not-Catholic-or-Orthodox as “Protestant” making claims about it’s “doctrines” – all your proving is that you don’t know what Protestantism is.\r\n\r\n\r\nPro-tip: just because someone isn’t Roman Catholic, and holds different views, doesn’t mean we’re anti-Catholic.","subreddit_name":"TrueChristian","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"Let’s unpack the first one:\r\n\r\n\r\n**The Sabbath Day**\r\n\r\n\r\n* “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8\r\n\r\n\r\nvs\r\n\r\n\r\n* “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5\r\n\r\n\r\n**Exodus:** the second book of the Torah. Here the author (traditionally Moses) is recording a commandment to keep the Sabbath rest. By resting on the seventh day and sanctifying it, Jews remember and acknowledge that G-d is the creator of heaven and earth and all living things. Resting emulates the divine example, by refraining from work on the seventh day, as G-d did. Shabbat is the most important ritual observance in Judaism and is the only ritual observance instituted in the Ten Commandments. It is also the most important special day, even more so than Yom Kippur.\r\n\r\n\r\n**Romans:** Paul’s letter to the Romans is written post-Jesus to both Jewish and Gentile Jesus followers in Rome. Paul addresses both groups. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nConvinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah who founded a new covenant with the covenant system, the early Jesus followers continued to function as a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\nThese early Jesus followers continued to follow ancestral Jewish markers: go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Saturday Sabbath, *the Way* then met with each other in each other’s homes on Sunday (what they considered the Lord’s Day.)\r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers would look a lot like Messianic Judaism. James assumed leadership of the Jerusalem Christian community; the apostles/leaders functioned as a group of presbyters who apparently acted somewhat like the Judean presbyter elders of the Jewish synagogues. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nDue to the influx of Gentile the relationship was awkward and clunky. We see this at the [Jerusalem Council of Acts 15](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2015\u0026amp;version=ESV). Paul even records that Peter would eat with the Gentile converts but would withdraw himself when the men from James would visit because he was afraid of the party of the circumcision. The rest of the Jews joined him in this hypocrisy. Paul confronted him publically asking, “how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?” \r\n\r\n\r\n The separation of Christianity from Judaism would be pretty much complete after Rome ransacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple (70 AD). \r\n\r\n\r\n[The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349): a readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhat Paul is addressing in Romans is this clunky nature of whether Gentiles need to keep Jewish ancestral markers (aka keeping the Saturday Sabbath.) Paul is saying that these matters are left to each individual according to their conscience. In his letter to the Colossians Paul writes, “Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.” \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAt the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 James ruled that the Gentiles aren’t obliged to keep Jewish ancestral markers. Paul advises that they aren’t to judge Jewish Jesus followers (or anyone else) on the matter. To Paul the observance or non-observance of the days referred to was a matter in itself of no importance. He was content that each person should act up to his own conscientious convictions on the subject.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\ntl;dr: I guess I don’t see the contradiction.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"\u0026gt; The early Church wasn't split into denominations like it is now, it was just the Church as a whole, the one holy catholic and apostolic Church as they called themselves. \r\n\r\n\r\nHistorically and biblically inaccurate. \r\n\r\n\r\nFrom scripture we know for a fact they did not call themselves the “one holy catholic and apostolic Church”. The post-Pentecost early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;version=ESV). Convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, *the Way* continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\nAs such the early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Jewish Saturday Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on the next day Sunday aka the Lord’s Day.\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers would look and operate much like what today we’d call Messianic Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n[The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) is a good entry level, readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n[History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;psc=1\u0026amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; So yes and no, the Catholic Church did inasmuch as they can trace their history back to the early Church\r\n\r\n\r\nAll post-Nicaea Trinitarian confessing Christian Churches who belief and confess the ecumenical creeds trace their history back to the early Church.","subreddit_name":"TrueChristian","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"\u0026gt; Apostolic Succession is necessary in order to claim that Jesus Christ founded your denomination. \r\n\r\n\r\nAs far as I know only the Catholic Church makes the audacious claim to be founded by Jesus Christ more than 2,000 years ago.\r\n\r\n\r\nThat claim is highly problematic. The early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;version=ESV). Convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, *the Way* continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\nThese are the early Church that Saul, later Paul, was persecuting. He asked the high priest for letters to the synagogues. \r\n\r\n\r\nQ: Why the synagogues? \r\n\r\n\r\nA: The early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Jewish Sabbath, *the Way* then met in each other’s homes on the next day aka the Lord’s Day.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers would look and operate nothing like Roman Catholicism; in fact the absolute last thing the apostles would have considered would be patterning their leadership structure to look like that of Rome – who had just brutally murdered Jesus and was systematically martyring their family and friends. \r\n\r\n\r\nAccording to history and scripture the first Jesus followers would be much closer to what we’d today consider Messianic Judaism.\r\n\r\n\r\n* [The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) is a good entry level, readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;psc=1\u0026amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.","subreddit_name":"DebateAChristian","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"1\\. Jesus, Joseph and Mary were Jews. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n2\\. The apostles, disciples and early Jesus followers were Jews. \r\n\r\n\r\n3\\. Based on Jesus’ words, [“I am the way, and the truth and the life … John 14:6](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV), these early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\n4\\. These, convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n5\\. The early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Saturday Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on Sunday aka the Lord’s Day. \r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers would look and operate much like what we’d call Messianic Judaism.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) is a good entry level, readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n[History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;amp;psc=1\u0026amp;amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"\u0026gt; There has been only one church that has been preaching the gospel throughout these years! That church is known as the holy catholic church that Jesus founded!\r\n\r\n\r\nSorry but no. The early Jesus followers would look and operate nothing like Catholicism; it would’ve been much like what we’d call Messianic Judaism. The absolute last thing the apostles would have considered would be patterning their leadership structure to look like that of Rome – who had just murdered Jesus and was systematically martyring their family and friends. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349): Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;amp;psc=1\u0026amp;amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS), comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; What if the only church that Jesus founded is found in the bible?\r\n\r\nIt is. Based on Jesus’ words, [“I am the way, and the truth and the life … John 14:6](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV), the early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; What if the apostles confessed their belief in that holy church?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe apostles and the Way, convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on Sunday aka the Lord’s Day (aka Sunday).","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"\u0026gt; I’ve overheard some Catholics saying the Bible was first written and transcribed by them? \r\n\r\n\r\nJust an observation but Reddit users chronically write positive statements – but then end them with a question mark. Very passive and confusing. The way this is written it’s as though you’re asking us, anonymous people who weren’t there, if you overheard what you’re telling us you overheard.\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; What denomination was first? \r\n\r\n\r\n1\\. Jesus left no organization or institution outside of his disciples. \r\n\r\n\r\n2\\. Jesus, Joseph and Mary were Jews; the apostles, disciples and early Jesus followers were Jews. \r\n\r\n\r\n3\\. Based on Jesus’ words, [“I am the way, and the truth and the life … John 14:6](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6\u0026amp;version=ESV), these early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\n4\\. These, convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n5\\. The early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on Sunday aka the Lord’s Day (aka Sunday).\r\n\r\n\r\nThe early Jesus followers would look and operate nothing like Roman Catholicism; in fact it would be much closer to what we’d call Messianic Judaism. The absolute last thing the apostles would have considered would be patterning their leadership structure to look like that of Rome – who had just murdered Jesus and was systematically martyring their family and friends. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) is a good entry level, readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;psc=1\u0026amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.","subreddit_name":"TrueChristian","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"\u0026gt; I see anti-Catholic posts upvoted constantly on this sub\r\n\r\n\r\nI see the opposite, which likely just proves we each filter perceptions via our relative perspectives not to mention that we define “anti-Catholic” much differently. \r\n\r\n\r\nI was subbed to /r/Catholicism and replied to a user’s comments about what the early Jesus followers believed. I wrote that they would have operated very much like Messianic Jews and included linked citations from academic sources. The early Jesus followers were Jews who were convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah. They continued to function much like a reform sect within Judaism. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;version=ESV) was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\nI was promptly banned for “anti-Catholic rhetoric”. I think when you are addressing this sub not respecting diverse views we need to put that in perspective. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349) is a good entry level, readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n* [History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;psc=1\u0026amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS) is a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; The Catholic and Orthodox churches are not full-on heretical organizations that contain no real believers.\r\n\r\n\r\nLutherans in general consider Catholics to be brothers and sisters in Christ. Lutherans and Catholics actually agree on much. Personally I’d love nothing more than reconciliation.\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; I say this: During the Medieval Period, the only churches active were the Orthodox and Catholic churches. \r\n\r\n\r\nCorrect. The Roman Catholic Church (in the West, with Latin as its main language) and the Eastern Orthodox Church (in the East, with Greek as its main language.)\r\n\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; Jesus said, 'Upon this rock(Peter) I will build my church, and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it', not 'The gates of hell will not prevail against it EXCEPT between 1000 and 1517'. So, I think this issue is more complex than it seems.\r\n\r\n\r\n1\\. You added “(Peter)”; not Matthew. Relatively speaking only Catholic apologetics assert Peter was *the* capital “R” Rock.\r\n\r\n\r\n2\\. We don’t know what Jesus said; the consensus is Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic. \r\n\r\n\r\n3\\. What we do know is that the disciple Matthew was an eyewitness to the teaching recorded in Matthew 16 and that he recorded what Jesus said in Greek.","subreddit_name":"TrueChristian","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"For those reading along: note that OP totally ignores New Testament scripture that specifically relates to new covenant Christians. \r\n\r\n\r\nChristianity 101\r\n\r\n\r\n1\\. The early Jesus followers were Jews who continued to follow Jewish ancestral markers. \r\n\r\n\r\n2\\. Convinced Jesus was the Jewish messiah, they continued to function as a reform sect within Judaism. They were called “the Way” [Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23; 22:4; 24:14, 22](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;amp;version=NIV). \r\n\r\n\r\n3\\. There was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n4\\. The Way continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions. They continued to observe Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and follow kosher dietary laws. They kept the Jewish Sabbath – and then met with each other as a sect on the next day (our Sunday) which they called the Lord’s Day.\r\n\r\n\r\n5\\. Due to the success of [the Great Commission](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2028%3A16-20\u0026amp;version=ESV), and Paul’s missions to the Gentiles, the little sect experiences a great influx of Gentile Jesus followers. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n6\\. Jerusalem believers (Jewish believers from the party of the Pharisees) felt the Gentiles should follow Jewish ancestral markers – especially circumcision. [Acts 15:5](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts+15%3A5\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) The relationship between Judaism and the messianic sect became strained. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n50 AD – The Jerusalem Council of Acts 15 was called to resolve the matter of the Gentiles. James makes the final judgment on the matter of the Gentiles, “It is **my judgment**, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. James holds Gentile proselytes to the Noahide Laws. \r\n\r\n\r\n7\\. Noahide Law vs Law of Moses\r\n\r\n\r\na\\. All humanity, including Jews and Gentiles, are descendants of Noah. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nb\\. The Israelites (Jews) are descendants of Abraham.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe Noahide laws are binding upon all mankind; while the Mosaic Law was binding on Israel. In Judaism the Noahide laws were sufficient for Gentile proselytes before – and so rightly James  rightly judges from scripture that they are as sufficient for the Gentile converts now.\r\n\r\n\r\nQ: After the Jerusalem Council were the Gentile/Christians held to keeping Jewish Sabbaths?\r\n\r\n\r\nNo. \r\n\r\n\r\nQ: So is Sunday the Christian sabbath?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nA: No. Sunday (the Lord’s day) is not the direct counterpart to the Jewish sabbath. \r\n\r\n\r\nGentile Christians are under the new covenant in Christ’s blood. Christ is “Lord of the Sabbath” (Matthew 12:8) and Christ is our sabbath rest. [Hebrews 3:11, 4:9-11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+3%3A11%2C+4%3A9-11\u0026amp;version=ESV).\r\n\r\n\r\nThe Jerusalem Council is for the most part the start of the separation between Judaism and Christianity. \r\n\r\n\r\n66-73AD – The Great Revolt (Jewish revolts against Rome.) The Roman Empire retaliates with a vengeance and begins a systematic campaign to obliterate Jewish Jerusalem. Rome barricades Jerusalem, famine ensues and Jerusalem falls. Titus orders Jerusalem razed, slaughters thousands, ransacks the Temple artifacts and destroys the Temple. \r\n\r\n\r\n8\\. The Jews scatter. The Levitical priesthood ceases, the Sadducees (Temple sect) vanish and sacrifices come to an immediate halt.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n9\\. The separation of Judaism and Christianity is for the most part finalized. Pharisaic Judaism goes into exile and evolves into Rabbinic Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n10\\. Gentile Christianity shifts to predominately Gentile/Christian areas like Antioch, Alexandria and Rome (each area having its own bishop/presbyters/elders.)\r\n\r\n\r\n11\\. Here we find Gentile Christianity distancing themselves from Judaism and as such dropping the Jewish Sabbath in order to set themselves apart by worshiping on the **Lord’s Day = Sunday.** \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n12\\. This is why Justin Martyr, writing between 155-157AD, describes the weekly worship of the Christians: “And on the day called **Sunday**, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place … Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples … [1 Apol. chp. 67, Weekly Worship of the Christians](http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-firstapology.html)\r\n\r\n\r\n[The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349): a readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n[History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;amp;psc=1\u0026amp;amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS).\r\n\r\n\r\n**tl;dr:** There’s no basis in scripture that Gentile Christians must keep ancestral Jewish markers like keeping the Jewish sabbath. This doesn’t mean the Mosaic Law is no longer relevant or important to Christians.","subreddit_name":"Bible","author":"JustToLurkArt"},{"body":"The closest to the original would be somewhat like Messianic Judaism. People who are of Jewish heritage with a New Covenant faith in Yeshua (Jesus) as Messiah. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nJesus, Joseph and Mary were Jews; the apostles, disciples and early Jesus followers were Jews. Jesus said he [was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15:24\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV). Jesus is the [the mediator of a new covenant in his blood](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=hebrews+12%3A24\u0026amp;amp;version=NIV)\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nBased on Jesus saying, [“I am the way, and the truth and the life … John 14:6](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6\u0026amp;amp;amp;amp;version=ESV), the early Jesus followers were known as [the Way](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A2%3B+19%3A9%2C+23%3B+22%3A4%3B+24%3A14%2C+22\u0026amp;amp;amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\nThere was religious and cultural diversity among first-century Jews in the ancient Near East. Under the umbrella of Judaism were: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Zealots – and like these *the Way* was just another expression of Judaism. The early Jesus followers continued to go to synagogue, follow Mosaic Law and Temple traditions; they observed the Jewish holy days, practice circumcision and followed kosher dietary laws. Keeping the Sabbath, *the Way* met in each other’s homes on Sunday aka the Lord’s Day (aka Sunday).\r\n\r\n\r\nSaul (later Paul) asked the **Jewish high priest** for letters to the **synagogues** to find people belonging to the Way. [Acts 9:1-2](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A1-2\u0026amp;amp;amp;version=ESV)\r\n\r\n\r\nA year after Saul’s conversion [the disciples began to be called Christians.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2011%3A25%2D27\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV)\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThis is why Paul wrote the gospel [is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek (Gentile).](https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:15-17\u0026amp;amp;version=ESV) \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nGod established a new covenant within the covenant system He had previously established within Israel/Judaism. Convinced Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, *the Way* continued to function as a reform sect within Judaism. The early Jesus followers were in fact another expression of Judaism. James assumed leadership of the home Church in Jerusalem and James, Peter, John and others worked as a group of presbyters acting somewhat like the Judean presbyter elders of the Jewish synagogues.\r\n\r\n\r\n[The First Hundred Years AD 1-100: Failures and Successes of Christianity's Beginning](https://www.amazon.com/First-Hundred-Years-1-100-Christianitys/dp/0595196349): a readable historical treatment of the Jesus Movement in First Century context to include the Jewish fight against despotic Roman rule and the violent separation of Christianity from Judaism. \r\n\r\n\r\n[History Of The Christian Church](https://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Church-Philip-Schaff/dp/1346209650/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/130-6213349-8997027?_encoding=UTF8\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_i=1346209650\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_r=9f04398e-33f0-4f45-8e7a-c78d439f5b65\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_w=TGbpn\u0026amp;amp;pd_rd_wg=r0bxO\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab\u0026amp;amp;pf_rd_r=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS\u0026amp;amp;psc=1\u0026amp;amp;refRID=TMEWZQ53J7WYKSP0CRNS): a comprehensive, academic 8 volume history of the Christian Church.","subreddit_name":"Christianity","author":"JustToLurkArt"}]}