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The idea of these "scripts" isn't that they have such a high success rate, it's that when you run a "script" over and over on different women, the rejection doesn't feel as personal as when you painstakingly came up with something unique for each woman.
When people reject this profile, it's not personal. He didn't write it. When he tries a script in each conversation and gets unmatched, it's not personal. It's not his script. They're not rejecting him, he just needs to find better material. In a rejection-rich environment like Tinder (and dating in general), this can be really liberating.
For profiles in particular, you can think of them kind of like the spam e-mail from the African prince. It's misspelled and obviously fake, and that's on purpose. The only people who respond are gullible, confused, etc.--the perfect target.
This profile is targeted at people who want some nice abs to play with and are kind of into assholes, and there really are plenty of women who fit in that category, at least sometimes. Again: the perfect target.
Edit: If you haven't read The Game by Neil Strauss, I highly recommend it. It's very entertaining and, I think, really captures the spirit of the movement.
I read this book. I don't pick up women and am happily married. It did help with points that others have said here. Take care of yourself, work out, be interesting, and dress nice are ways to impact your appearance. Book was a good read, but don't take it too seriously!
I've no idea how the advice looks today, but I found some of the dating advice weirdos absolutely fascinating. A while back there was The Game - a portrayal of truly bizarre and enormously entertaining stories and personas and analysis.
> Also none of those "pickup tips" will ever work.
Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Often it's a strange combination of sexuality and psychology and self-help all-in-one that is fairly effective as practical advice - if you can get past the chauvinism and the fluff.
Read this https://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738
This is not a how to pick up girls manual. It's a story of an awkward guy who had no luck with females turning his life around (confidence, outlook on life, career, etc.) through the process of understanding how to talk to women.
she's just new, so there is more to explore, but you should also understand that open relationships require that you come to terms with the fact that relationships can change and end, so if you are going to keep going with an open relationship, then you shouldn't rely on your husband for your own personal happiness or satisfaction. If your husband enjoys sex with the other girl more than he is enjoying sex with you, then you should feel good that he got to have sex with her, you should be glad that he got to experience that joy and happiness and you should encourage him to have more sex with her. If that doesn't work for you, then have a conversation with him about how he feels about have a closed relationship instead, but he might not be very happy about that idea.
Here are some more thoughts on the whole thing: The Truth: An Uncomfortable Book About Relationships
>This is a problem, how you can be confident interacting with women on a sexual level when you can't confidently interact on a basic level?
The school I went to had many different nationalities, and my views were pretty different from the people there. Like I did talk to a couple of girls on a weekly basis but not much more than that.
This the one?
Don't focus on the ceiling because the ceiling doesn't exist. The feelings you are feeling are very common. I have been there. I imply your fighting spirit. Your vigor is what keeps you strong. The solution is finding another job, meeting new people. It's not hard. It is very very simple.
This is a tool to help you get friends, increase confidence. You don't have to apply EVERYTHING the book says just some parts which you know you need to work on.
Life is an adventure. You are person with UNLIMITED potential.
read this book and dont get discouraged by rejection
then just hit up pof and whatever other dating site.
think of it like throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks... eventually something will
oh, and set up dates for coffee or whatever on 'lunch break'... that way, if they're a mutt, you have the "i have to go back to work" excuse
I have a friend who was in your situation. He's not what one would consider classically attractive. He felt ugly and he carried himself in that manner. He dated only one girl in his 20s. One six month relationship and that's it. He attributed this to his looks.
On his 30th birthday he bought himself a book called The Game about the techniques of successful pick up artists. I know it sounds bad and you might not agree with everything they say, but I'll tell you this - within a year of reading this book, my friend was no longer the same person.
What the book taught him was the power of confidence and how confidence in the eyes of a woman will often supersede looks when it comes to attraction. With his added confidence he began to dress better and take care of himself.
Whereas before he was meek and invisible in social settings, today he stands out in a crowd and has absolutely no problem dating women.
I know I sound like I'm a book salesman but after seeing what happened to my friend who was in your situation, I just wanted to recommend it.
And even if you don't get the book, I hope you take away from this that confidence is everything.
Maybe a copy of something like:
...and leave it somewhere not out in the open, but where he will accidently come across it.
Oh well hell if you're talking high school then get cracking my young compatriot. Everyone in that school is going through the same anxiety that comes from the teen years. Some hide it better, aesthetics play a big role in the vain and "popular" but don't sweat such small bull shit. It's petty in the grand scheme. College is a completely different monster too. Focus more on yourself and be your own person rather than how to get this person to like you or whatever. Confidence will follow from owning yourself, your strengths, and your weaknesses.
And here's the book: The Game
And I can't really recommend you follow through but Craigslist is the bottom of the barrel last resort if you really can't manage to find any peers at school or on a dating website. Not sure if dating sites take under 18 anyway. But exercise EXTREME caution with Craigslist.
Finally, sex is fantastic but really you should keep to seeking out a worthwhile relationship. Even if it falls apart in a few months or makes it a few years and still crumbles, the experience is vital.
I wouldn't presume to know or tell you your motivations but whatever you do, don't ever do something because you think someone else will love you for it. They either won't or it will be something short of real love. Be yourself, love yourself, others WILL follow. Just be patient.
I agree with you 100% but... I've tried talking to girls and most of them don't seem to know what they want. They do give great relationship advice but, when it comes to practicing mating calls, women are not the right people to ask.
I dislike all the jargon they use, it's very immature. And I'm not in it to set a new high score.
I just want to understand the core fundamentals of attraction so I'm going to read the game. The top review on amazon is a great discussion talking exactly what we're talking about here.
Here is one sure way of becoming more evil, at lest towards women
I have read it before. If you are a good person you will see it as a story book where interesting things happen. If you are a bad person you will see it as a bible on manipulation of women.
/me Hopes you will choose the good side of the path.
i cant help but laugh at this guy. He cant even get his own chick to send him pics! Ditch the crude advancements and adopt the art of subtlety. Or maybe try this. http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738
Its a manual for people who need help with women. Cheers mate!
"Go Fuck Then Other Women" theory.. Idea is that by the time you've fucked 10 other girls, you'll realize you ex-gf was just another woman. Or something to that effect. Source
Style, is Neil Strauss. Mystery, is the guy that Neil writes about, essentially. The book "The Game" is where it comes from. Found here. It's essentially a giant field report of learning the whole deal. Really good read, and what the commenter was referring to.
You should check out The Game. Read it for inspiration. I'm sure you'll find your way after that, if you really want to. Find a wing and get to it :)
I'll keep it simple, go out and buy this http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738
Not for the sake of becoming a super smooth ladies man, but there are a lot of anecdotes in there that will help you understand why you feel certain emotions and help you to overcome them. Its an interesting read and if nothing else you might learn a thing or two about the fairer sex.
I never had a problem immersing myself in a social setting or chatting up a woman that I was attracted to, and came upon the book purely by accident. Nevertheless, I've since read it 3 times and every time I do I learn something new about myself.
Seriously, read this... you don't have to be a pickup artist tool, but that will teach you what not to do, and what to try.
Yawn, and stretch your arms. As you put your arm down, put it around her shoulders.
Or, read this.
I thought my original comment was downvoted into nothingness. The game that most women play.
The Girl: "Look at me I am pretty you want me but you arent getting me"
The Guy: /smile @ girl above maybe dance with her then apply indifference. In some case walk away to the bar
The Girl: then if she cares or even if she is an attention whore will walk over to you. She will try to get you to give her positive attention.
It goes back and forth Until you bang her in some bedroom @ your friends house.
(pro tip don't give her your right number if you don't want to see her again)
If you really interested you can research this
I am many years older than most of the reddit.com readership but the above works. You have to align your self. Its just like sales.
Hi. Have you ever read The Game? If not, you might want to. And afterwards, find a wingman who is also into that kind of stuff, and go from there.
It's a journey, but if you stick to it, it will change your life. Certainly changed mine.
Seen peeking out of Shanahan's back pocket
Pickup artist. Like this.
the abundance theory is a fundamental learning for pick up artists, everything you said here is correct and i can attest to this. Also if you like to polish your dating game, read books that can help you with it like The Game by Neil Strauss or The Mystery Method by Mystery (Erik von Markovik). You will build self confidence along the way and will make your life more productive by not lurking to negative thoughts.
Nah, like pickup artist
Yeah that was his thing
If you want to go that route here's something to read:
I mean, most people have their own interpretations, but the most well known one (that even now people still take influence from) is the 2005 The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists by Neil Strauss
>Having game to me is manipulation, being calculative , technical, approaching women with a planned strategy. Basically convincing a woman to sleep with you using manipulation.
So a lot of those concepts are brought up in this book, and it lead to a whole generation (for reference, I was 15 when this book came out and I for sure read it thinking it'd help me talk to girls better) using this methodology for picking up girls. For men's self help it was books like this and How To Win Friends and Influence People it was a moment in time where men started getting receptive towards concepts of self-help and listening to thought leaders on this subject, instead of learning it through friends or family or gaining experience on there own.
>I ask this because on the another subreddit, Someone was talking about most men not having any game.
If I'm going to be honest, I can totally see that. But that's less about the actual people, and more the fact that the new influencers that shamelessly copied Strauss' work and then evolved it to these levels that remove empathy and view women more as targets to be acquired instead of people, doesn't really work in 2022.
Strauss wrote this book in 2005, and despite people objecting it, turns out that society and preferences can change in 17 years time. In fact, the author himself in 2018 wrote a book called The Truth: An Eye-Opening Odyssey Through Love Addiction, Sex Addiction, and Extraordinary Relationships which basically takes back most of what he said in The Game, explaining that it was only when he was in a loving long term relationship with someone that he realized how wrong all his teachings were in The Game. Even the author admits this:
>"I am not the hero in this story . . . I am the villain.”
So with that, the people who are picking up the slack, are pretty much grifters, taking advantage of desperate men to sign up for e-seminars and getting people to read their poorly written e-books on how to have game. But the issue here is that they're nowhere near in quality as Neil Strauss and other people's previous work on PUA (and as I said already, the fact that most level headed people have a huge aversion towards PUA and the concept of "having game" in our modern era) and anyone who is currently subscribing to this stuff is very much a blind leading the blind scenario.
For example: I am in my 30's now and can very much say that I am comfortable meeting and interacting with women. I have another friend, who very much subscribes to these concepts of having game, viewing life like it's a video game where there are certain tactics and ways to min/max situations and having very specific world views and stances on gender and traditional views of men and women. I have my dating life, and he has his and for the longest time I never really dug too deep into it. I knew he was a late bloomer and is living in NYC, so I would just think he was living the NY life and going by just fine.
It was only when this year that I'd be spending more time with him and (more importantly) we'd be around other friends and (most importantly) women where my friend would go and spout out these ideologies and advice and stances on dating and women (which we realized he gets from spending way too much time on Twitter and reddit researching this stuff) and my friends had almost a universal agreement, that my friend has extremely wrong views on women and dating, to the point that every woman I know keeps him at arms length. And every interaction I have seen with him where he is "successful" is with strangers, who are much, much younger than him (He's 32 and would typically aim for 18-19 year olds) and has no issue using concepts of wealth, power dynamics and anything else as leverage to cause a disproportionate situation in their attraction and relationship. If you read those last two sentences and don't think there's an issue with this, I'd highly recommend talking to other women you trust and female family members what I just said and see what their reaction is.
I just bring up all of that as a word of warning to people who spend way too much time online and don't balance this out with real world interactions. Dating and attraction? No issue there, figure it out as you go and stay on track with that. But if you're trying to come into 2022 thinking that this is still the right way to go about meeting women, I'd highly suggest broadening your mindset and knowledge base on the matter outside of concepts like having game
Is it this one?
Kevin Samuels began on YouTube as an image consultant addressing issues he saw within his community and the world at large. His audience was primarily MALE and arguably black before the channel/show became something akin to Frankenstein's monster.
After the whole "If Saweetie is a 6, what does that make me?!?" scandal, Kevin's CALL-IN audience became overwhelmingly FEMALE and black (also captive, due to quarantine), leading Kevin to feed the machine feeding him.. This would ultimately center the conversation on Marriage since 99.9% of his callers were now unwed mothers and/or perpetually single.
Few can/will argue that the INSTITUTION of marriage (or at least being marriage minded) isn't best for the IMAGE of the BLACK community and its women.
Your other Manosphere channels have a different angle/origin.. and ALOT of what is now trend originates from early aught internet forums (largely WHITE and male, btw) and this book right here...which aint exactly PRO marriage...that is until the last few chapters. And the lesser read sequel.
Hey congratulations! Gotta start somewhere. As an aspie whose special interest was once seduction/persuasion, a lot of seduction is non verbals, which we are inherently terribly at. If you want to go more down the rabbit hole I would recommend
As well as
Maybe start with "The Game" as it is more interesting , the first is more of a handbook for body language.
Get this book, follow the advice: The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists
Oh snap, this guy read The Game.
Watch out ladies!
Buy this read it and put your self in weird situations.....
Read: "The Game".
Time to read The Game
And Roosh's Bang
Also these blogs:
The Islander (mine)
You might find this book ... ahem, interesting.
Yup, this sums it up
no, 'honeydip' is a SoCal foolish term i had never heard before.
if you don't know 'pulled' you need to read The Game!
Go read The Game (http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1292850266&sr=8-1) and you'll have a better idea about what to do...
> By all means, I should feel great about myself. The only thing that makes me feel crappy about myself is the fact that I have zero capacity whatsoever for attracting women. No matter how successful I am in life, and no matter how proud I am of my accomplishments, none of it will make me feel good about myself. I am incapable of finding a girlfriend, and that makes me feel absolutely horrible, regardless of everything else I have going for me.
FWIW, I thought exactly the same thing(s) about myself for a long time. Then I read The Game, joined the seduction community and realized it was all bullshit. Now I'm far from a master seducer or anything, but I have a LOT more success with women that I did before. And if it makes you feel any better, I was about 13 years older than you are now when I made that leap. You have a tremendous opportunity to learn these skills, and have many, many fun-filled years with great interactions with women in your life... years that passed me by. Trust me, if I could learn to have at least moderate success with women, anybody can. Seriously.
I will share one caveat though: this journey changes you. Or at least it changed me... it forced me to let go of certain beliefs about love, sex, romance, dating and relationships, and replace those beliefs with newer, more useful beliefs. The Evolutionary Psychology stuff will open your eyes, but dropping long-held, core beliefs that one has been indoctrinated into for a lifetime can be difficult and painful in it's own way.
It is a bit like taking the red-pill... once you give up the notion of "love" as a near mystical, magical, pervasive, mysterious force, and start looking at relationships as being about pair-bonding because it was evolutionarily advantageous... and once you realize how monogamy is not necessarily a natural state for mammals (including us humans), you can't ever really go back. Personally, I believe I'm better off for the process though. Take that FWIW.
Read The Game. And The Rules of the Game, afterwards.
They are the two best books I have ever read, and I recommend everybody to read the first one, and anybody with an open mind to believe this stuff works to read the second. I can personally testify that it does in fact work, and that it has changed my life. Do it. They're readily available on all those crazy illegal sites if you don't have the cash.
If you need more reading material after (and only after) reading those to, go to seddit.
EDIT: Clarification and stuff.
A lot of people take it very seriously, and sell merchandise to a very willing market. Take a look at the reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738
be like Neil Strauss, shave your head, work out, take care of yourself, and master how to pick up woman. Before/After Pic. Also, read his book, The Game
Was he Neil Strauss?
This does have some useful information in it. WARNING read and following this book may make you act like a DOUCHE, but hey who care as long as you get the girl.
Ignore the people who say absolutely not. You need to punch out your V-card. But keep a few things in mind. Wear a condom and realize that it is absolutely guaranteed that it will be a bad experience. But you gotta do what you gotta do. After this is done, clean up wait a few days and investigate the horrible and stupid seduction/pickup artist community. A good place to start is The Game which is not actually a how to guide. You are going to think that a lot of it is utter nonsense. You will be right, but buried inside these guides are things you do not know about dealing socially with people around you (which is the real reason for your lack of success). I highly recommend listening to the podcasts found on this page.
Of course, there's always this method...
Some reading on the subject by the people he's talking about.
At your age:
Try reading this. It's not a guide, it's a story of someone's life. Really interesting read. I think it would really be in your interests surrounding your situation.
This book changed my life about 5ish years ago. The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists by Neil Strauss
Hey Kid, you're young. Watch out for the bonding that sex does to you. I have a 15 year old boy and I'm gonna get him to read the book MMSL, therationalmale.com and possibly stuff about Game. I want him, and you, to be as informed as possible about dealing with the opposite sex. I want him to understand the hormones/chemicals bonding him to his woman during sex. I want this for him and you because IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO ME and, hindsight being what it is, I wish I had been more informed. I've seen both ends of the spectrum - guys who've never had sex, pining over that one girl, and then on the other end, guys "bang" a different "chick" each week and wonder why they feel empty inside. Get informed man. And for the love of GOD do not bring a child into the world until you are good and ready (so about 12-14 years from now). Always always always use a condom and hope she's using something too.
you can read all about it in this book
and i believe they (PUA) had a tv show.
Yeah it's pretty good
That should get you started.
Read "The Game" by Neil Strauss. It will give you insight but is not a "how to" guide. I found it useful after a hard breakup to get back on my feet and find confidence. It should definitely help with how to talk to women.
What school do you go to that graduates at the beginning of august? You used the word wicked....that's a New England thing typically lol
Does wonders. Good luck.
Other than that, try to find some geeky girls. Here in the USA you can find them at local Maker groups (electronics hobbyists etc). Not sure where you'd go in Hungary but there have to be some girls there who are on your wavelength.
Everyone should go out a buy this book... This book itself won't help you much but it's a starting point into the world. I'm no pickup artists myself but many of these concepts they teach in the world of pickup are legit.
The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists
Fasion: /r/malefashionadvice or /r/TeenMFA
Fitness: Start with stronglifts
Flirting: Pick up "The Game" by Neil Strauss
Go read this yesterday.
Fuck that, put it on your "quarterly list". Keep track of that. If you set a goal like that and you keep track, most likely you'll want to finish it sooner once you get going. The first 10 to 20 may feel weird and uncomfortable. But after that you'll really start to roll.
If you read <em>The Game</em> by Neil Strauss, he discusses how he became a pick up artist. I never did anything that elaborate. I simply cast my net wide like an apostle, did my best to be nice and not feel uncomfortable.
Personally I am very awkward at times around new people, but here are some tips I have gathered that have helped.
1) Read pick-up books. There are a lot of techniques that goes into picking someone up; you have to be able to demonstrate value, communicate your strength etc. I'd recommend you read "The game - Neil Strauss" first.
2) Learn to tell stories. People have bonded over story for centuries. Learn to make the conversation personal, filled with emotion and illustration. For instance you could say: "This happened to me the other day..................." or "Can you imagine...."
3) Ask open ended questions. When you ask questions use ones that start with "who", "what", "where", "when" and "why" as these lead to a better answer than yes or no and continue the conversation from there. Avoid questions that start with "do", "are."
Instead of asking "Do you know what the weather is like tomorrow" ask "What do you think the weather will be like?".
Instead of "Do you have any hobbies?" ask "What do you like to do in your spare time?"
4) Remember one important thing that the person cares about. People always have something to say about one or two topics that they care about. It could be kids, their interest in movies, hobbies etc. It's a topic you can always come back to.
5) Don't stress over silence. Sometimes silence can invite the other person to talk more
6) Read books on body language. Body language adds to the richness of the conversation. Understand open languages, best positions to stand for a conversation and be inviting. Read "The definitive book of body language"
7) Learn a magic trick or two, or a personality test. It's a great way to break the ice when you first meet someone. Here is one I like to do called "Cube test." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIC3zBUn_80. It doesn't matter if the answer is relevant, people always like to learn more about themselves.
Step 1: Stop being a sadsack. Noone likes a sadsack.
Step 2: read this book
Step 3: Dump your girlfriend or, find the reason why you wanted to be with her in the first place.
Step 4: Get out of the hosue and enjoy life.
That book definitely changed my life. Not because I think I could pick up girls with SO much more ease, but because I now have so much more confidence in myself. Confidence goes a long way in everything including your home, job, and relationship life. If you act happy and confident, after awhile you begin to believe it. On the other hand, if you act like a Depresso, you begin to believe it as well.
There are a few minute changes in your life that you could make today to improve yourself. Dress for success. Seriously. Dress like you want to be seen. Quit your dead end job and get out there on the market. Look at some kind of internship to build up your resume.
>I'm kind of glad I don't see her that often, but it just makes me feel even more lonely.
Don't leech off your friends and girlfriend. Find a hobby and make something of yourself.
A few other things. I used to just sit around, be depressed and watch hours worth of shit on cable, on the internet, or playing video games. This will bring you down in a spiral, and you will become just more and more depressed. Take that stuff out ASAP and start reading books. I haven't turned my TV on in months and now I feel like a much more well rounded person. Going to a park and reading is SO much more enjoyable than staying in a gloomy house. If you go to a local bookstore or coffee shop or something too you might be able to hit it up with someone with similar interests in reading.
And as cheesy as this sounds, I think it works; Every morning when you wake up, look at yourself in a mirror and tell yourself why you are fucking awesome. Add a new reason every single day. You might feel foolish at first, but it helps you find your positive qualities that you rarely see.
Read Neil Strauss' book The Game. It's not a how-to on meeting girls, but it gives one a lot of context on the community of guys who work together to help each other learn to master this area of their life. And there is some actionable stuff buried in there, but it's not a "how to". After that, go this this You are New section on fastseduction.com and start reading.
You'll also find a lot of good stuff on Youtube. Try the SeductionChronicles channel and/or the LoveSystems channel.
Then if (or should I say when) you have doubts or questions, ask on the /r/seduction reddit, or on fastseduction.com. That should get you started.
You gotta start doing something different. Read this as inspiration: http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262423731&sr=8-7
then check out:
http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/ http://fastseduction.com/ am
first i would read a book by neil strauss called "tThe Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists" link found here:http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738
next i would check out some guys mentioned in the book, and learn about how to pick up girls, there is actually a science behind it and a system and i think it will help you in more areas than you think. They have websites, and ebooks out there, if you do some digging you can find sites with tons of info on it.
A lot of people knock on it who have never really tried it, but if you put the effort in it could change your life.
Sounds like you lack confidence and might fall into some behavior patterns that get you stuck in the friend zone. Read this. Confidence is sexy.
I always recommend this book as a great way to learn how to build confidence. Worked for me, and many others.
The Game, The Game, The Game or The Game?