Civil War in the United States, slavery ended. A milita was a large part of this, no a militia alone did not do this but it seriously helped.
The formation of the United States also in large part was due to a militia.
The russian revolution as well.
Additionally most of those homicides are from illegally gotten handguns, and gang violence.
>your own crime statistics prove that
millions of fatal incidents are stopped each year with firearms, by our own statistics.
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Again, read this:
> socialism is definitely not when the government does capitalism lmfao.
Technically it’s cronyism. It’s a spectrum. But it’s closer to socialism than free market capitalism.
> Capitalism wouldn’t survive without government and government intervention.
You’re right it wouldn’t. It would THRIVE.
> Yeah, your historical aliteracy really isn’t a convincing argument. Capitalism, it’s big brother imperialism and private ownership have done far more damage to this world than socialism.
It's dense, super heavy, and a pretty brutal read. But very eye opening. I should have been made to read this in High School, instead of "Star Girl" and "Bless Me Ultima".
bought in on Amazon: https://www.amazon.nl/gp/product/1784871516
I believe it is the full book translated in English
Chances are the Soviet Soldiers would not believe them.
In the early years, the German army that spearheaded Operation: Barbarossa was at its fighting peak. They were fresh off the success of Poland and many divisions were veterans of France. Hitler had not yet begun his mass conscriptions and the fighting men were young with many of them having been grown and shaped under Hitler's propaganda.
Once they ventured into Russia, they were fighting Bolsheviks and *untermensch (*subhumans). Hitler publicly declared Bolsheviks the enemy, and at one point issued an order that commissars were to be executed if captured. Once Stalin issued the infamous "Not A Step Back" Order, the Russian resistance became rabid and the fighting some of the worse of the war. German soldiers would comment that overran soviet soldiers would just shoot advancing Germans in the back as they passed their lines -- even though it was customary to just surrender.
Germans that were captured often stunned the Soviets. A Russian officer who interrogated German soldiers from Stalingrad was shocked at the level of sheer hatred. He reported back concerns about how they would deal with Germany after the war if the entire population was equally indoctrinated.
Captured Germans in general were not treated very well. After Stalingrad fell and the remaining 91,000 soldiers of the 6th Army surrendered, only about 5,000 survived to return after years of forced labor. Russian soldiers who survived their captivity were often treated worse at home. Gulag Archipelago details many former POWs, loyal soldiers, and suspected spies being exiled to horrific conditions -- often without no crimes or sentences being given except exile and accusations of guilt.
Being captured in general was not ideal on the Eastern Front. Hatred of the other side was very real. Whether you claimed to be communist or not would probably not benefit you. Soviet paranoia thinned their own ranks and a very real German soldier would most likely not be believed, and as history has shown would be treated very poorly.
But I still recommend it
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
https://www.amazon.com/Archipelago-Peterson-introduction-Aleksandr-Solzhenitsyn/dp/1784871516
>I stand on the shoulders of giants when I come to my conclusion. Urusula Le Guin is my experience, Emma Goldman is my experience, Noam Chomsky is my experience, Karl Marx is my experience, The black Panther party is my experience, Che Guevara is my experience, Lao Tzu is my experience, Art Spiegelman is my experience, Alan Moore is my experience.
I realize this sounds super deep but you're going to read this in ten years and cringe hard.
>when you tout my experience, you are touting centuries of thought that I've been received into.
Oh god barf. Sorry, idolizing someone doesn't magically imbue you with their life experience. It doesn't work that way.
>as long as nation-states exist, appeals to nationalism can justify large scale violence.
And appeals to anarchist/communist ideals have certainly never done that.
>Saint Andrew is called Saint Andrew because he believes in the sanctity of the individual.
And yet "the sanctity of the individual" is completely antithetical to communism. Do you even understand the words you're typing?
>Ever heard of King Leopold, the history he covered up, the atrocities he committed in the Congo, all in the name of rubber?
Yes, this one example certainly speaks for all humanity. If I give you two examples of atrocities committed in the name of these "noble" ideas you're spouting, are you going to change your mind? I doubt it.
>Ideally, money isn't even necessary. I hate the concept of money. It's a collective delusion, a form of criminal standardization that gatekeeps resources to those who need them.
You don't hate money, you hate the idea of individuals or organizations engaging in trade. "Money" is a proxy for value, and proxies for value are necessary to facilitate trade.
>Picture a system of mutual services. Wikipedia editors, volunteer policemen and firefighters, etc.
Congratulations, you've covered about 0.0000000001% of the richness and complexity of human societies and endeavors. Well on your way to the perfect planned economy, and look at the many examples of those working out well. With prosperity and justice for all.
> If someone doesn't have their needs met, why would they contribute to a system that doesn't work for them?
Because they are forced to do so at gunpoint, because that's how communism and anarchy work.
>It's a positive feedback loop towards poverty.
Glad you mentioned it before I did. Yes, these systems generally lead to everyone living in poverty except for an extremely select few. Real, actual poverty. Where your kids die of whooping cough and you're lucky to get an orange per year for your birthday, if you have the right political connections.
"Living in the US is like poverty maaaaaan" - He types on his Macbook Air from his air-conditioned coffee shop wearing immaculate freshly-washed clothes.
> there are plenty of anarchist societies that exist successfully based on principles of egalitarian distribution. Largely, they are small scale communities who hold a similar set of ideas that allow them to associate with one another.
Exactly - they are small scale communities with a similar set of ideas. That's when it works. It doesn't work across nations of hundreds of millions of people nor between them, because people don't fit this neat perfect mold that would be required to enable it. People don't think as a hivemind, which is why these grand communist philosophies inevitably, inexorably require bloodshed to force people to conform. Your arguments are based on the idea that if we could just change all of humanity to think with one mind, this would be the best system.
We can't, and so it's not.
I don't expect any of this to change your mind, because you are - at least for now - a pure ideologue. If you want some reading material, try The Gulag Archipelago. Don't mind the unfathomable scale of murder and depths of human misery that your noble ideas inevitably come to. They sound so nice! Don't let your latte get cold.
I think I understand the Left very well. Don't want to have to work, don't want to have to struggle, don't want any negativity. That basically sums up the left's position as a whole, if there is any negativity it's bad (unless you're an evil right winger, then you can go eat shit).
But my issue is that <em>their policies don't work</em> and <em>require people dying to even function.</em>
And this isn't a shock, we've known for a while that left wingers can't understand right wingers, but right wingers understand left wingers very well.
>The one thing that I cannot understand is anti-LGBT views.
Like this, no one hates LGBT people, I'm gay and I've never gotten that. All the hate I've ever gotten in my life was from the left. What I don;t like is the LGBT community, it's a Marxist cess pit.
>I get that they usually reason by "religion"
Just stop.
The Gulag Archipelago big parts of it describe techniques.
Country of Ash- I'm not sure about this one but I think in this one you will find that "nice" nazi guy.
First books about torture, interrogation (modern as for 2000) and punishment in medieval ages I got from my history teacher back in the days and I will not be able to recall them, but they ranged widely from magazines to xerox copy of books.
As far as I now it's only printing on the UK for now, it's on Amazon though so you can get it shipped if you don't want to wait for the US print I guess.
Here is the link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1784871516?tag=prhmarketing2552-21
I went on UK Amazon and was able to find it.
Heres the link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1784871516/ref=pe_3187911_189395841_TE_dp_1
Stalin was equally genocidal. See my earlier reply to somebody else.
Read the chapter "The Women in Camp" out of Gulag Archepelago... and tell me if it doesn't make you abhorred of the capabilities of general humanity (groupthink under any particularly-polarized ideologies), not just 'the nazis were worse' XOXO.
>I might disagree with Yang's ideas but I think its overreaching to characterize them all as horrible.
You might want to read up on Soviet Russia, National Socialist Germany, or Communist China.
THIS SHIT IS EVIL. READ A BOOK.