{"product":{"product_id":"0967145600","title":"The Ketogenic Diet: A Complete Guide for the Dieter and Practitioner","price":"33.25","image_url":"https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41nmCcUmDEL._SL500_.jpg","url":"https://www.amazon.com/dp/0967145600"},"comments":[{"body":"Blending coffee with 3 tablespoons of coconut oil and a tablespoon of cocoa is absolutely delicious.  If you don't blend it there is a layer of oil on top which is pretty distasteful, but if you blend it up you get a frothy, rich coffee that is wonderful.  As to protein levels, lyle mcdonald has a wonderful book on dietary ketosis that should give you a better understanding.  [Here's a link](http://www.amazon.ca/The-Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Practitioner/dp/0967145600)","subreddit_name":"keto","author":"aperfectly_cromulent"},{"body":"if you are looking for a ketogenic (really low carb/no-carb) [this is the book](http://www.amazon.com/Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Dieter-Practitioner/dp/0967145600)\r\n\r\nYogurt isn't low carb either if you are trying to stay under 30g/day since one cup would be about a third of your total days allotment.","subreddit_name":"Fitness","author":"MEatRHIT"},{"body":"I see. Do you lift weights? Any change in the weights you can push? I asked about muscle mass loss because on [this book](https://www.amazon.com/Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Dieter-Practitioner/dp/0967145600/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1482818960\u0026amp;sr=8-4\u0026amp;keywords=lyle+mcdonald) Lyle says that muscle loss is inevitable with a full keto diet - I did keto once and lost 40 pounds in 6 months but I was not lifting weights then, and I did seem to lose a lot of muscle (was very thin afterwards) but I couldn't tell if it was due to diet alone or diet + lack of lifting weights in the first place (since lifting weights is a way to avoid muscle loss).\r\n\r\nSo now I find myself wanting to try keto again to burn fat but not at the cost of muscle (which is much harder to gain than fat is to get burned) and wanted to see if keto + weights would be enough to keep most muscle mass without having to do a \"regular bro\" diet and fat burn split (in other words, fasted cardio and post-training cardio - with steroids to stave off muscle loss).\r\n\r\nThought I would ask since you seem to be in good shape in your \"before\" picture and you seem like you work out. I have read anecdotal tales on another subreddit about people using keto and trenbolone for dramatic muscle loss (with virtually no muscle loss) but would rather avoid steroids altogether.\r\n\r\nSomething else I thought of trying too is keto + weights + leucine since it seems leucine [seems to be associated with muscle maintenance](https://www.google.com/search?num=50\u0026amp;q=leucine+muscle+loss\u0026amp;oq=leucine+muscle+loss\u0026amp;gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30k1l2.91943.92206.0.92369.2.2.0.0.0.0.58.110.2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.2.110.eGFHbeTGW-U).\r\n\r\nThanks!","subreddit_name":"ketogains","author":"bonekeeper"},{"body":"Why do you say that? BTW I also read http://www.amazon.com/Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Dieter-Practitioner/dp/0967145600\r\nand\r\nhttp://www.amazon.com/Foodist-Science-Weight-Without-Dieting/dp/0062201263\r\nI'm not anti-keto (i am ON A KETO DIET) but I'm also not stupid - what specifically from Eat to Live prohibits it from being unbiased?","subreddit_name":"keto","author":"namsu22"},{"body":"\u0026gt; Why should I decide that my life is shit.\r\n\r\nYou were placed in a situation. Look around, it happens. People are born into abusive households, neglect, physical abuse. You deal, but there are limits.\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; That is a depressing way to live.\r\n\r\nAfter some massive doses of psychedelics, it became freeing. There's more life to come. There's another crop of humans, and another, and another.\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; The problem is you guys as I mentioned before are a bunch of basket cases who cannot move on with your lives. \r\n\r\nTry it dude. Try it and then find out that white dude gets 10x as much for trying 1/10th as hard, and you'll see that try hardism is worth absolutely nothing.\r\n\r\nPeople spout that shit, but notice the difference between who they fuck and who they don't fuck, and you see trying makes little difference to these people.\r\n\r\n\u0026gt; You just love having a pity party here. \r\n\r\nUh, I consider this educational, personally. I see you, I see me, I see our situation, you see the situation. Not pity, tools to understand your situation.\r\n\r\nA good, solid, basic weight lifting program:\r\nhttp://startingstrength.com/\r\n\r\nA good diet; high protein, low carbs, low or no dairy (to taste, SS recommend a gallon a day, I did that, but it's got side effects and you just get bloated).\r\n\r\n\r\nDon't have to go all out, but here's something worth reading even if you don't follow it:\r\n\r\n**The Ketogenic Diet: A Complete Guide for the Dieter and Practitioner Paperback** – 1998\r\nby Lyle McDonald \r\nhttp://www.amazon.com/The-Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Practitioner/dp/0967145600\r\n\r\npdf versions are floating around, do a Google search\r\n\r\nAnd good reading:\r\nhttps://archive.org/details/military-manuals\r\nhttp://www.shelfari.com/mythographer/shelf","subreddit_name":"hapas","author":"incelmanlate20s"},{"body":"....All the sources are listed directly underneath the protein section.\r\n\r\nHere's an idea: stop overthinking bullshit, pick one and adjust if necessary.\r\n\r\nEdit:\r\nhttp://ketogeniclifestyle.com/the-ketogenic-diet-summary-of-lyle-mcdonalds-book/dietary-protein-requirements/\r\nhttp://www.amazon.com/The-Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Practitioner/dp/0967145600","subreddit_name":"ketogains","author":"nixx1338"},{"body":"Here are some good ones:\r\n\r\n* http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900714003323\r\n* http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/\r\n* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25275931\r\n* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24918620\r\n* http://www.cell.com/trends/endocrinology-metabolism/abstract/S1043-2760%2813%2900156-2\r\n\r\nThere's also http://www.amazon.com/dp/0967145600 but it's $90\r\n","subreddit_name":"soylent","author":"chrisbair"},{"body":"http://www.amazon.com/Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Dieter-Practitioner/dp/0967145600\r\r\n\r\r\nThe ketogenic diet was actually developed as a treatment for epilepsy. What you want is the \"cyclic ketogenic diet.\"\r\r\n\r\r\nYou should be able to find some good diet plans with a [google search](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en\u0026amp;source=hp\u0026amp;q=cyclic+ketogenic+diet+guide\u0026amp;aq=f\u0026amp;aqi=g10\u0026amp;aql=\u0026amp;oq=\u0026amp;gs_rfai=) as well, but I would recommend getting the book if you want to seriously put it into practice.","subreddit_name":"Fitness","author":"limukala"},{"body":"Here's what you need: [The Ketogenic Diet By Lyle McDonald](http://www.amazon.com/Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Dieter-Practitioner/dp/0967145600)  \r\n\r\nThis book explains it all however it does read like a textbook and can get overly technical.","subreddit_name":"Fitness","author":"zoidberg82"},{"body":"Jesus! I just went and tried to buy a copy. $175 for the paperback! \r\n\r\nhttps://www.amazon.com.au/Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Dieter-Practitioner/dp/0967145600\r\n\r\n","subreddit_name":"keto","author":"GETURHANDOFFMYPENIS"},{"body":"Keto is endurance.. not sprint\r\nI recommend reading the Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald\r\n\r\nhttp://www.amazon.com/Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Dieter-Practitioner/dp/0967145600/ref=sr_1_3?s=books\u0026amp;ie=UTF8\u0026amp;qid=1445465608\u0026amp;sr=1-3\u0026amp;keywords=the+ketogenic+diet\r\n\r\n\r\nIt has a LOT of info on keto and exercise.. along with #'s and %'s if you into that much chemistry about whats happening when you do it.\r\n\r\nBut keto isn't the best for high intensity exercise.. it works for HIIT cause your muscles recycle the ATP they burn in 6 minutes or so.. but constant HI will burn you out fast cause you don't have the carbs/glycogen to fuel your type IIa and IIb muscle fibers.\r\n\r\nYou may want to look into the Targeted (TKD) or Cyclical (CKD) Ketogenic diets.. when I start lifiting I'm goign to stick with Standard (SKD) ketogenic diet and do strongman 5x5 till I can't get anymore progress.. then switch to TKD for muscle building","subreddit_name":"keto","author":"SynaptikDragon"},{"body":"Read [The Ketogenic Diet - Lyle McDonald](http://www.amazon.com/The-Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Practitioner/dp/0967145600) and every question you have will be answered. Well, except for the dormant and turnover related questions. I suppose it's possible to have fat molecules that remain unburned for decades or a lifetime. However, every seven years all of the cells in your body have died and been replaced, including fat cells. But, for fat people, the lifespan of fat cells is 10 years (https://www.llnl.gov/news/fat-turnover-obese-slower-average).","subreddit_name":"keto","author":"freebit"},{"body":"If you eat too little, your metabolism slows down and so does the progress of losing fat. That's the biggest mistake I've made and I only found out so by reading (parts of) [The Ketogenic Diet](http://www.amazon.com/The-Ketogenic-Diet-Complete-Practitioner/dp/0967145600/), which I'd very highly recommend you to read too.\r\n\r\nThe book states study results which show that people automatically eat too little when they reduce carbs so drastically.\r\n\r\nI've had low energy periods during the day (which felt like a blood sugar crash after eating something high in sugar - or exactly what you describe with \"hunger, tiredness, and irritability\") and progress in losing fat seemed to have stalled. So when I've read about the above, I've started eating a second serving with every meal, i.e. beyond feeling full/satiated. Since then the low energy periods have vanished, I take them as a sign of having eaten too little now. And I already see progress again.\r\n\r\nFor a while (before reading up) I'd strictly eaten my last meal around 8p.m. and have often felt hungry when I went to bed. I feel for you.\r\n\r\nYou have so many problems with IF and you *hate* it. Time to consider at least a temporarily change in strategy, don't you think? How about eating beyond feeling full for just two weeks?\r\n\r\nP.S.: I'm 28, 5'11.5\", ~176lbs\r\nP.P.S: I don't think that writing style with caps and \"adrenaline\" adds to the discussion. I find it rather annoying. :-(","subreddit_name":"keto","author":"unknownguyhere"}]}